Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Uncle]

there's a chicken genocide going on

[TylenolJones]

Hardships? I was told its a genocide

Speaking of which, when did the trans genocide sticky thread get nuked? I assume sometime after Oct. 7th 2023 after much gnashing of teeth

They did it after the guy who kicked off the genocide, Joe Biden, was removed from office.

[Alpacx]

Genocide Pit Bulls.

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/andy-serkis-explains-why-he-changed-orwells-iconic-animal-farm-ending-for-new-movie.1505266/#post-154349260

I'll be honest, never read Animal Farm, or watched any adaptation, but the news of this horrible film got me curious to finally have a read.

and by read he means watch a 4hr video by a breadtuber

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-9#post-154356406

This Post is a plea to the administration of this site. I'm serious.

I thought after the first Platner thread, where he was BUSTED with his nasty, evil, 20 year old, Nazi support Tattoo people would realize it was a bad thing to do, to defend the Nazi actions of a politician, to obscure the truth for him, to run defense for that said persons Nazi and also Racist history.

How stupid was I huh? I debated these people and heard all kinds of back peddling, excuses, LIES, and Nazi Apologia being spouted back at me as if it should be accepted just cause this man SAYS he stands leftist policies( without any actual history to back any of that up), and I should just shut up, eat the fact that a guy who engages in NAZI behavior such as tatooing himself with holocaust support imagry, is gunna win so we might as well support him.


Since that first thread, I admit I lost a lot of hope, hope that we on the left were different, that this site Restera was better than other places, more progressive, that we wouldn't fall victim to letting people run free defense campaigns for politicians who get BUSTED FOR HIDDEN NAZI TATTOO's

I hoped if I sat out a couple Platner threads, the trend would be that these cretins... who purposefully obfuscate in defense of a politician with Nazi Tats with bullshit like " Maybe he didn't know the Nazi tattoo was a Nazi tattoo for 20 years." and insisting that we believe the words of the man who was busted with the Nazi Tattoo... well I thought these people would be sorted out and disposed of by our progressive administration.

I mean COME THE FUCK ON! Nazi shit is serious and we should take it seriously, we shouldn't allow people to muddy the water with obvious HORSESHIT!!!!!

I thought it'd be obvious to always be against Nazi behavior no matter fucking what! but you have people running defense with lies for these Nazi Behaviors! We shouldn't even argue these fucks anymore! it's been several threads and it's always the same, they come (often the same exact users) and say the same exact lies over and over like were suppose to believe this man with a military record had no idea what he was doing, like he's a fucking baby!

If this fuck Platner was running conservative and said the same lies about his Tattoo, most here would RIGHTLY call Platner what he fucking is! A FUCKING NAZI, Nazi Marks MARK NAZI'S regardless of what bullshit the Guy with the NAZI Tattoo fucking tells you. It's never a good idea to choke down the lies of those busted with bad behaviour! you all know this, because I see it all the time on here as long as the person swings right wing there is no hesitation to toss on the Nazi label and call anyone on the right running defence Nazi supporters/defenders. SO why can't we do this with a guy just because he himself says he is Left wing?

We shouldn't even have to fight against these arguments here, they are twitter level BULLSHIT. I don't care that the DNC establishment accept him, I don't care that Bernie and all your favorite sell out leftist Podcasters accept him or downplay his behaviour, WE HERE SHOULD BE BETTER!

LOOK I GET IT, He is going to win anyways there is nothing that we can do, but ask yourself if that means you shoud lower yourself to engaging in obfuscation of EXTREME(all nazi shit is extreme) Nazi behaviour.
I can understand a "Well, I'm not happy about this, but let's hope he iends up a decent politician who has actually changed" I can understand this point of view and don't consider it running cover for Nazi Behaviour, and I to HOPE that he actually does good once given power and shows that he changed from his huge laundry list of red flags (Red flags with swastikas on them tbhz)
But there is a huge difference between that mentality and comming back every PLatner thread to run obfuscation campaigns for his Nazi Behaviour by infantilizing a middle aged mans multiple instances of Nazi adjacent behaviour!


Enough is enough! It's bad enough the rest of the world has been desensitized to NAZI behaviour, I refuse to be desensitized! That Tattoo he had was showing support for the murder of Minorities, plan and fucking simple when you cut through the bs smokescreening. I don't care he claims to be on my side, I don't care that he is going to win anyways, I will not bite the lie that he had no idea what he was doing!
Is Platner actually harmless? I'd say no, already even before he has taken office he has already, knowingly or unknowingly, lowered the bar of progressive discussion to the point we have to defend someone on our side who has a NAZI TATOOO FOR 20 god damn years or fall out of Bernies favor or whatever. I can't believe right now we are at a point were multiple people proudly proclaim to be a huge fan of a guy with a NAZI tattoo and a history of bigotted behaviour online etc. That to me is Platners greatest crime, the fact that I have to put up with thread after thread telling me I should accept a NAZI into my heart.
FUCK THIS.


It should be considered running defense for Nazi behavior, and therefore Bannable! To show up in these threads and BOTHER AND LIE to the GOOD people airing out their fear over the left accepting a man with DISGUSTING examples of NAZI and Racist actions with their "wElL wE dOn'T KnOw FoR sUrE hE kNeW iT wAs NaZi SyMbOLiM hE wAs SpOrTiNg On HiS hEaRt foR 20 YeArs." At-least these types of obvious examples of downplaying extreme Nazi past Behavior should be Bannable!


I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO READ THIS SHIT ON RESETERA. Just because the world has gone disgusting doesn't mean we have to let our own souls end up disgusting by covering for Nazi shit or platforming those who do, just because the guy PAYS LIP SERVICE TO PROGRESSIVE IDEAS WITHOUT ACTUALLY BACKING ANY OF IT UP YET.

Treat this shit seriously! He is not a little boy with his hand in a cookie jar, he is a grown ass man who engaged in extreme Nazi support when he got that fucking Tattoo and kept it for a staggering 20 years!


LOOK I GET IT, He is going to win anyways there is nothing that we can do, but ask yourself if that means you should lower yourself to engaging in obfuscation of EXTREME(all nazi shit is extreme) Nazi behaviour.
I can understand a "Well, I'm not happy about this, but let's hope he ends up a decent politician who has actually changed" I can understand this point of view and don't consider it running cover for Nazi Behaviour, and I to HOPE that he actually does good once given power and shows that he changed from his huge laundry list of red flags (Red flags with swastikas all over them)

There is a huge difference between that mentality and coming back every platner thread to run obfuscation campaigns for his Nazi Behaviour by infantilizing a middle aged mans instances of Nazi adjacent behaviour! He knew what that shit meant and everyone running defense about it fucking knows it. There is no point anymore engaging these people since they argue here in bad faith and on behalf of Team Sports bs or worse.


If the Admin read this, I plead with you to take some action on this! we can't have this exact thread everysingle time He makes an oopsey. This thread is about his use of the R slur, but since his other crimes are even worse barely anyones talking about the ableism because we gotta argue with the people STILL downplaying his NAZi TATTOO since the first fucking thread when he got fucking busted. why are we not allowed a space to be upset over the Platner situation without these Gnats apearing to perform bad faith Nazi defense! please at-least add a community note on these threads not to downplay the Nazi stuff.... PLEASE. even if you don't agree with him being a Nazi, we should all at-least accept that getting the tattos was a nazi action and we shouldn't be allowed to downplay it on here. I will be reporting people from here out who I think engages in these nasty behaviours on here and I hope you take it seriously, but if you don't I will at-least know exactly where I stand, and this website stands and I can make a rational decision on wether or not I want to sully my time even posting on this website anymore. For fucks sakes I got banned for calling someone a dork(I since apologized to Ryan for that T_T sorry Ryan), but openly denying over and over again the clear fact that Platner engaged in Nazi bullshit by getting that Tattoo.. totally okay? WHY???

[Alpacx]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/andy-serkis-explains-why-he-changed-orwells-iconic-animal-farm-ending-for-new-movie.1505266/#post-154349260

I'll be honest, never read Animal Farm, or watched any adaptation, but the news of this horrible film got me curious to finally have a read.

and by read he means watch a 4hr video by a breadtuber

"Animal Farm," classically, is a story without a happy ending. But Serkis' interpretation gives viewers closure. The film adds an entirely new third act: Lucky has a change of heart and apologizes, the animals take down Napoleon and the evil capitalistic Pilkington. Lucky tells the cautionary tale for a new generation.

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/woman-tries-to-get-to-3rd-base-with-16th-century-italian-statue.1504225/page-2#post-154341697

Echos had to delete his post because not everyone agreed

Edit: NVM

before edit..

Yeah, like really? This is something to be proud of? The fact American tourists have such a bad reputation that people automatically assume it's Americans (I have personal bad experiences with American tourists), that one of the time it isn't is something to celebrate and act smug about?

Like I'm going to be honest, the sheer gall to actually ask why do Americans always get blamed, in 2026, with Mr Fuck up every day in the White House is baffling. American Excepcialism is one hell of a drug.

Also thread got weird with someone calling 'getting to third base' heteronormative and anti-lgbt

The bases are just heteronormative bs that I wish folks would move on from so it's probably for the best.

What's heteronormative about it? I don't even know what about it would be restricted to certain genders or sexualities

The baseball metaphor is heternormative because it flattens the sexual experience into a series of distinct, hetero-focused actions, with fourth base (the "goal") being penetrative sex. Queer folks don't necessarily engage with sex within these distinct actions – many gay men and lesbian women don't participate in penetrative intercourse at all, for example – so the baseball metaphor necessarily can't be applied to all or even most queer sexual relationships.

Not all heterosexual couples have intercourse either, btw, so your argument has a fundamental flaw in it.

All sexual relationships have some escalation, though, and given that there aren't hard-and-fast rules for what the various bases apply to, I see no reason why it couldn't be applied to queer relationships as well.

… sure but the metaphor is literally based on heterosexual sex.

And definitions can be expanded over time.

Again, there's literally zero reason why queer sexual relationships couldn't also have an escalation scale, and there's also no reason why every analogy has to apply to every person.

If a man has tried to touch the statue's penis instead of a woman, the third-base analogy would have still made perfect sense.

and blueballs wonders why we make fun of that place

[Jansen]

From Constructive 

On the dogpiling discussion, would it be possible for a user to mark their own posts with some "I've been quoted enough" box that would make replies have a "they've already been quoted enough" check similar to the "this thread is old do you still want to reply" pop up you get with old threads?

I would just edit my post. No need for a special function, just put "stop quoting me I know I fucked up/don't care anymore" above the original text.

True, but it's less about the user getting overwhelmed with replies and more about encouraging posters to move on

But an edit does do that lol



So many times I've seen people be stubborn about editing a post for whatever reason (as in, they're visibly annoyed, but still won't edit the post), only to finally relent after like 10+ quotes. And every time they do the edit, it more or less stops unless it's a truly egregious post. And even then at least people take into account that whoever they're quoting knows they "fucked up"

editing a post doesnt stop you from getting banned, which is the ultimate reason why you would want to "edit" it anyway. if you keep getting dogpiled/quoted, you just dont read the notifications

They may want to continue participating in the thread and want it to move on. They may just want to remove the distraction to make the site a better place. I'd hate to think a thread was still talking about my bullshit even after I'd stopped reading it.



Also I'm sure lots of people have avoided a ban by realising a mistake and correcting it before it was actioned. Staff can see what was originally posted but may not act on it if they believe it was a genuine mistake or misunderstanding.

I'd only pushback on the notion that getting dogpiled automatically means you're wrong. The 12 on 1 gets annoying, but if I can back my point, I will and it becomes apparent they're arguing a point you never even made. Just try not to get full aggro even when they see an opportunity to be as openly patronizing as possible and bait you just because everyone else is piling on. 



Then you just have an example of someone
 attacking you a bunch while you kept it peaceful.

Wow pivoting to a different discussion and just completely ignoring the trans genocide under their noses

[HaughtyFrank]

Also thread got weird with someone calling 'getting to third base' heteronormative and anti-lgbt

The bases are just heteronormative bs that I wish folks would move on from so it's probably for the best.

What's heteronormative about it? I don't even know what about it would be restricted to certain genders or sexualities

The baseball metaphor is heternormative because it flattens the sexual experience into a series of distinct, hetero-focused actions, with fourth base (the "goal") being penetrative sex. Queer folks don't necessarily engage with sex within these distinct actions – many gay men and lesbian women don't participate in penetrative intercourse at all, for example – so the baseball metaphor necessarily can't be applied to all or even most queer sexual relationships.

Not all heterosexual couples have intercourse either, btw, so your argument has a fundamental flaw in it.

All sexual relationships have some escalation, though, and given that there aren't hard-and-fast rules for what the various bases apply to, I see no reason why it couldn't be applied to queer relationships as well.

… sure but the metaphor is literally based on heterosexual sex.

And definitions can be expanded over time.

Again, there's literally zero reason why queer sexual relationships couldn't also have an escalation scale, and there's also no reason why every analogy has to apply to every person.

If a man has tried to touch the statue's penis instead of a woman, the third-base analogy would have still made perfect sense.

and blueballs wonders why we make fun of that place

Even if it is heteronormative, literally who gives a shit? How dare the overwhelming hetero majority talk about sex in ways that applies to them?

[JoeBoy101]

From Constructive 

Completely missed that there was a blatant use of "trap" until seeing one concerned post I was replying to when it locked. 



What fucking year is it.

That thread so quickly turned into just finding the mere idea of futanari as a concept being hilarious and perverted. The posters going "epic thread!!!" also just pissed me off.



I feel like it's a reoccurring problem here of people making threads that either intentionally or unintentionally turn into boys clubs that make crude and strange jokes. It's why I've always hated the end of year pornhub threads that get posted every single time that usually devolve into a bunch of dudes making jokes about porn. Makes it less fun to participate in the forum.

The "are you a white cishet guy or are you a porn category?" saying still lives rent free in my head, and even this forum reminds me of it at times.

agreed with all of you. i laughed at first b/c it was funny on its face, especially the "does he know" reaction image type shit but holy fuck it immediately spiraled into mockery of the idea of bodies like that.

Glad I'm not the only one who felt weird about it. Even in ostensibly queer-friendly spaces, I sometimes get the feeling that people are just keeping their transphobia under wraps until they can find an acceptable outlet for it.

Yeah, that thread quickly descended into mockery, felt like I had gone back 10+ years.

We have fun here

I hate that this is funny to me

Don't worry it's funny for the overwhelming majority of people here

It seems there’s some people you forgot to ask. 

[JoeBoy101]

What is a B-Dubs anyways. Can I eat it?

Only it’s whole ass.

Edit: annnnnd beaten

[killamajig]

comparing baseball to sex

comparing Black people to dogs

[Straight Edge]

I assume some white people and/or MAGAts will push the blue button, so I cannot do so in good conscience.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/philosynoir-pit-bulls-are-black.1505110/

Incoming Planetsmasher post about how in 3rd grade he was almost mauled by a 6ft Pomeranian or some shit.

Planetsmasher

My friend had a rescue dog that blatantly didn't trust women. We basically came to the conclusion after knowing him for a little while that his previous owner must have been a woman who deeply mistreated him, because he would be really calm and nice around both him and me but the SECOND his girlfriend or any other woman was in the room he immediately pivoted into a completely defensive, "someone's gonna hurt me" mode. You could even see his muscles clench up the moment he could smell her. The poor thing was just deeply emotionally broken and it haunted him for the rest of his life.

It feels like all of the worst aspects of a poodle and a golden slammed together into one dog. I don't know why my family was so dedicated to getting one; we've only ever had goldens and a golden/pyrenees mix up until this point and they've all largely been pretty chill, generally low-maintenance animals. This one has two modes: asleep or "I'm gonna have/give you a panic attack" with no middle ground.

I really hope he ages out of this because if he doesn't I'm gonna lose my mind and the cats are going to hate living in this house for his entire life.

I wish my family did research on goldendoodle temperament before they decided they HAD to get one and outvoted me when I said I didn't want one. This puppy makes me want to scream.

The part that's honestly so stressful about dog ownership is that you just don't know until you know. You have no way of knowing if a dog has the capacity to go completely apeshit until it does it. Any breed can snap, there are just some breeds that are more dangerous as a baseline when they do.

We have a new goldendoodle puppy right now (3 and a half months, I think?) and he's so energetic and aggressive (and so prone to catastrophic separation anxiety meltdowns) that I am constantly terrified he's going to flip out one day and rip our cats to shreds. Thankfully the cats hate him and basically avoid him at all times because they blatantly do not trust his behavior patterns, but the entire reason we got a dog in the first place was to get a playmate for our younger cat to make him stop harassing our older cat. So now we have an asshole puppy and a kitten who thinks his 6-year-old older sister who's recovering from heart failure wants to wrestle all the time (she does not). Instead of solving the kitten's energy problem we've multiplied it.

My stress levels have a floor of 4/10 right now because I just can't feel any degree of calm with this idiot in the house.

Exactly. I remember seeing something somewhere that Golden Retrievers, of all breeds, have one of the highest per-capita bite rates (largely contributed to by their sheer popularity and the tendency of families with kids to get them), but due to the fact that their jaws aren't built the same way as a Rott or a Pit, the chances of serious injury are vastly, vastly lower. Goldens also (typically) don't have the temperament that makes them absolutely lock in when they bite.

That being said, even a golden can be dangerous. We had one when I was a college student that flat-out killed another dog. So even "nice" dogs can be dangerous.

Comediansmasher didn't cut ties with that friend who had a sexist dog?  

[Jansen]

Given what has happened with the Marathon CCU thread, we are considering a two week time limit on threads about a game's CCU at launch.



These threads aren't meant to be catch-all discussion threads, but seem to trend that way. Initial CCU numbers can spark interesting discussion, and can be useful to members and viewers of the forum, but we cannot be having these threads turn into quasi-OTs.



We are making this post because we are looking for input on our idea. We think if we limit CCU threads to a two week window, it will create space for interesting discussion while preventing the issues we saw here. If anyone thinks differently, has any ideas or thoughts, feel free to share them here.

Marathon just hit an interesting moment in CCU just this week, in which for several hours every day, the other game by the same company, Destiny 2, has surpassed it.



In which thread am I supposed to discuss this? in the main Marathon thread? should I make a new thread about this that will live for two weeks? When people want to discuss CCU numbers...is this verboten after 2 weeks?



Cause I will also want to discuss if the Marathon CCU at peak hours also falls under Destiny 2.



Not sure why this deserved closing the thread. You mentioned that the thread was absorbing other news about Marathon...but that is not the fault of the people in the CCU thread. People should make new threads for that?

Maybe instead of closing it, what if it was moved to Hangouts just like OTs are. It not being so visible could help limit bad actors and I think it's better than making new threads periodically or migrating the talk to the OT. The review thread as well was active for more than 2 weeks, would the same thing apply to it if it were still getting updates?

You could just have not moved the actual OT into the hangouts dead zone.

It's once again very unclear what the actual harm is in discussing CCU. I don't see the problem with having different threads for different purposes.



They aren't "catch-all discussion threads", they are about discussing how the popularity develops for a game and everything that might affect it, which is quite literally anything. We can't limit that to just discussing a number and say "today's number is good, yesterday was bad" without discussing all the possible factors because that would defeat the entire point.



People who don't want to partake can ignore these threads, I'm not sure what has changed that would warrant a full restriction for this type of discussion. Would the OT be the place for such comments, or will it be forever restricted?

Definitely would rather the CCU talk and steam charts gazing not be randomly dumped into the OT. I and others largely ignore those threads for a reason. Otherwise what's the point in being able to ignore the tag lol.

The problem is that new news is not getting new threads. If there's actual news, just make a new thread. We can have all these discussions without what amounts to a second OT, hell we had all these discussions prior to CCU threads being a thing. People would just make threads based on news and whatnot and the discussion would happen there.



We never said don't talk about it, we're just saying people need to be making new threads when there is new news and that wasn't happening at all.

So we'll ban them again if need be. If someone gets banned in one thread, gets back from their ban and does the same thing in another thread they get banned harder the second time.



New news gets a new thread, this has been a rule since day 0.

While I can understand the idea of it being a "zeitgeist" thread to see how a game is doing in the launch period, it won't stop the discussion about player retention, certainly not for a highly publicized game like Marathon.



Either a game's OT is where continued discussion is held as time goes on, or more rules need to be placed regarding discussion of this stuff if the concern is hostility among members.

I've been lurking that thread for a while because I find it fascinating as to what led to the consistent drop in CCU. But a few times there were users coming in to start fights and claim that posters were using the CCU data to "celebrate" the downfall of the game, or used the thread to talk about how much they love the game.



I think that thread has been a special circumstance, so I don't think having a two week wait for a CCU thread would do much of anything. Besides, it's interesting if something happens after launch which could lead to higher or lower CCUs than expected and brings good conversation most of the time.

And if something does happen after the launch window that results in that, it needs to get it's own thread. We're not saying don't discuss this, we're saying that new news and developments need to get their own threads. That is largely the point we are making.



If something big happens, it should get it's own thread.

I find it weird that the tag is there to allow people to avoid CCU discussion for those that find it annoying, yet now after two weeks the idea is it'll be dumped into the OT where the wider game's community is. A load of the people posting about the CCU aren't even playing or interested in the game itself.

I mean, i do think there was intresting discussion happening? Not sure how changing the date for allowing CCU threads will change things.



dont really agree with the reasoning on locking it either.

Literally NOT what we are saying.



New news and developments should get a new thread. That is the point being made. We don't want people to go over to the OT when something interesting happens, we want them to make a new thread.

…but now people who want to discuss the CCU of the game (even if there's no new news) despite having no interest in playing the game themselves will now be posting about it in the OT – which has always been a place for the community of the game itself (aka. the ones playing it) to discuss it and hang out?

you might want to take a look at the OT then

They're saying CCU threads will be allowed after 2 weeks, not that CCU discussion will be put into the OT after 2 weeks

If there is a change in the CCU, it should get a new thread. They should NOT be going to the OT.

I like this idea. I'm not going to pretend like I don't join in the discussions, but quite often they're like dumping chum into shark-infested waters. Having a cooldown period would be for the best.

Regarding your last post in the locked CCU thread:





There was nothing stopping people from making a new thread for the new news? The CCU thread wasn't restricting this.





So now we're meant to talk about the CCU in the OT? So you've essentially made an "us vs them" situation even worse given that it'll be funnelled into the one thread. Negativity in OTs never goes down well on this site and just results in dogpiling. Talking about the constantly decreasing CCU in the OT will just no doubt end up with users being at best ignored or at worse mass-reported and thread banned. People can stick their fingers in their ears all they want and ignore the situation the game is in, but the fact is the decreasing CCU will directly affect peoples experience with the game for the worse. The data and analysis from [USER=9712]RedbullCola[/USER] and others has been really interesting, and the discussion of this has basically been stamped out. The game is in an extremely unique situation and it deserves to be discussed and analysed, and basically shutting down that discussion on a gaming discussion forum that describes itself as the pulse of the gaming industry seems a bit daft, no?

Can't say I really understand the decision

NO! We literally NEVER said go into the OT. If there is a new development, make a new thread.

Ah my bad then, sorry. I thought that was the case, and was how it was being taken by people in the OT. Thanks for clarifying and making the post there, it's appreciated.

I understand the philosophy behind the lock, [USER=143]B-Dubs[/USER], but I think it's mis-applied here.



There hasn't actually been "new news" to warrant a new thread. The articles posted are mostly just updated journalistic musings on the CCU numbers and the writer's disappointment that such a good game is failing to find its audience.



There wouldn't actually be productive discussion happening if any of those were spun off into their own thread because there's nothing really to discuss.



Whereas the CCU thread was acting as a semi-live analysis/tracker conversation for folks who had that interest. If the concern was it was turning into an anti-OT full of negative opinions, then the solution would be to warn/threadban/ban folks using it as a negativity circle-jerk.



I didn't personally have much interest in taking part in that live CCU tracking myself but whenever I poked my head into the thread it was seemed majority CCU analysis from interested thread regulars only occassionally interspersed with people using it to "I love marathon!" / "Marathon is shit"-post.

And why can't we have a thread on one of those articles?

Is kinda sad the real OT gets shuffled off to die while the hater OT remained continually bumped at the top of main forum 😂

It doesn't make any sense. You can encourage members to create threads, but they are created by volunteers when they feel it makes sense to do so. In this case they didn't feel it was important enough to create a thread for it, because at the end of the day there will be hundreds of events/changes that will be in the middle between thread-worthy and not thread-worthy.



Where are people supposed to discuss things that are not thread-worthy? The OT, or nowhere?

That's fair then. So what do mods have it imagined, what would be the breaking points for a new thread be. Would a patch/update do? The first sale? Those are things also talked about on the OT, or if they are to be new threads anyway, both people wanting to talk about CCU effect's and the gameplay effect's would mingle in those threads (with likely the resulting frictions). But mostly I agree with Jubilant Duck, I don't see what exactly the new news would be, and I think setting an artificial/arbitrary time limit is a disservice. If so, just use the stanfing rule of new news, new thread and close the offending CCU thread when new news happen.

Just take one of those articles that got dumped in the CCU thread and use that to make a new thread. That is literally all we are saying.



All we are saying is "new news and developments, new thread"

I mean you can but I'm just saying the result will be poor quality discussion, as what usually happens on this site whenever a thread is made to discuss what amounts to a pundit's blogpost disguised in the form of a news article.



And most those threads get locked by Era staff with a lock message saying "this can be discussed in the OT" anyway, so generally the tone has been set on Era that such articles aren't to get their own thread.



Those articles aren't new developments however.

We do that in the first couple weeks to stop the forum from being drowned in an ocean of threads about gigantic games. The point isn't to stop new threads from being made, the point is to stop the front page of gaming side from being "Ooops, all brand-new game, no other news"

But it doesn't answer the question. If they don't feel it's important enough for a new thread, they won't create a thread. This is how it always works.



We can't create a new thread for every new development regarding Marathon's updates, popularity or whatever it may be - or I mean, we can! But I don't see the point of doing so?



Especially if we consider that these threads are supposed to have a focus on the CCU/popularity. Having it in one thread was seen as a great compromise, so people who are interested can keep track of it and people who aren't can ignore it.

So just to be clear, discussion of the decreasing player numbers that are directly affecting people's experiences with the game on a day-to-day basis e.g. lengthy queue times outside the US, matchmaking mismatches with low level players being put against high level players etc. can't be discussed anywhere on this discussion forum? Correct?

NO! That is literally not what I said.

But what qualifies as a "new news and devolpments" enough to create its own thread?



Also, will this apply to every CCU thread? There is no mention in the terms of ppl being obligated to make new news thread

I mean, we can, but people would complain about threads being spammed, I'm sure.

Seriously, I just stumbled across this and it made me feel way, way worse about this community (which is honestly already a pretty low bar when it comes to a lot of topics, but especially around gender-based stuff).



I'm glad it was locked and that others posted their concerns about it here, but holy shit do we have a long ways to go in this place still. That this type of shitty punching-down humour and deliberately feigning ignorance that the joke is just "lol trans people" is even on the table here should really say something.



Like serious question, if this was a bunch of dudes joking about intimate partner violence, would it be the same level of acceptable? What about white people making jokes about the n-word? Or posters making terrorist jokes about brown people? Because my hunch is that we would have seen basically the exact same type of response by most of this community... maybe it would have received a different or faster mod response, though?

Look CCU threads are a reasonable thing to have. It's factual data about the games industry, an industry that is largely reticent to supply any actual information about the state of how a game is doing, and will obfuscate and distort to suit their own ends. The Steam numbers don't lie, and that can be interesting to discuss.



It's also clear that the Marathon CCU thread is a massive outlier in terms of engagement. It's had 820,000 views and nearly 11,000 posts. Going by the tag, the next nearest CCU thread is at 67,000 views and 914 posts. I'm unsure therefore why such a massive outlier would need to generate a new rule about time limits for these threads.



Jubilant Duck is right about threads about articles being somewhat frowned upon here, intentionally or otherwise, it's a culture that's developed. The only development that seems pertinent is Marathon's CCU dropping below Destiny 2 rn, which would seem to end up creating a 'Marathon CCU 2' thread. Would that be the sort of pertinent development that would be worth creating a new thread for, which might last two weeks?

You're supposed to make a new thread when there is new news. That has been a thing since day 0.



In the time everyone has taken to type up all these posts, you could have found an article or something to use to spin up a new thread and gotten going again.

Could have at least done the mod/staff post as a roughly 12-24 hour heads up on the closure so folks can figure the best way to put up a new thread (who to OP, compile data, composition of messaging on what may be a sore/exploitable subject of the low CCU to cover OP) and seamlessly transition over similarly to other long running threads and OTs.



There would be complaints of course because everything here is framed as a great conspiracy of suppression if it even approaches stepping on a toe (see people here trying to make it sound like Marathon CCU is banned), but it would have been much less of a headache.

Was [USER=9712]RedbullCola[/USER] even consulted? He did daily/weekly analysis that make interesting to read the Maraton CCU thread.

Was there a particular piece of news that triggered this? Because this rule seems to be selectively enforced (and yes, I know thay it depends on reports most likely, but I don't imagine this was something reported). Many threads I follow have semi-frequent updates and the discussion continues on the same thread.

Literally all we are asking is for people to make a new thread when there is new news or major developments.



https://www.resetera.com/threads/marathons-daily-ccu-peak-is-now-under-16k-on-steam-out-of-the-top-100-most-played-on-xbox-in-all-regions-barely-any-better-on-ps-what-went-wrong.1505815/



There you guys go. We aren't saying don't have the discussion, all we are saying is we don't want the entire discourse around the game to be in a single thread. That when something big happens, it needs to get a new thread. That is a new thread with good framing. If everything is constantly trapped in mega threads then news gets lost, that's bad for us as a community.

without being too much of a participant in CCU threads, i feel like as long as the topic is on CCU and sort of a meta narrative about the game rather than the game itself or playing it, then it should all just be in the same thread and continuing developments keep the discussion going and more legible



starting a new thread, 90% of the people are going to be disconnected from it, dont get notifications anymore, whatever.  if there's a new "stage" in the CCU, then i guess close it, and make another CCU thread, but make sure it is linking to the new one?



i'm not really sure if that's even worthwhile because i think anyone specifically interested in CCU for a specific game is already going to be participating in the CCU thread for said game?

Well, either way I don't see the point of a hard timeline for closure. It's unlikely to be relevant either way and the existing rule already covers it.

The new thread isn't a CCU discussion. The "good framing" is an invitation to say why people think the game sucks.



These are two entirely different thread concepts.



Ironically enough what has just been created is a second, negative OT that you said you were closing the CCU over.

listen if i came across as snarky i apologize for that, but this was a very sudden decision to make and the reasoning still makes me confused.  couldn't this have been said without locking the thread?

Given the thread was locked, I thought it was the order way around. The CCU threads have a time limit

We have been trying to get on people about this for a while now.





Bumping old threads with new news is a good way for people to miss new developments. It's also a good way to keep a discussion insular.



I might not have any thoughts about a game's initial CCU, for example, but if the CCU totally collapses then I might have thoughts or insights about that. But, if there's no new thread, I won't know that there's something I might be able to share.



It should be obvious why this is an issue for a discussion board.

I'm just curious what would warrant a new thread following this one? You say when something big happens but I'm not sure what big event is outlined in this new thread that makes any significant difference compared to the previous one.



Wasn't the whole point of the previous CCU rule changes to make it insular (contained in one thread) because so many people didn't want to see it?



I'm fine with either, just thought I would mention where the confusion might come from.

Can we have a new post on the old CCU thread then with the link to the new one, so that people that were following it can keep track on where the discussion has moved? I'd also see if RedBull wants to be able to copy the formatting for his posts with the table of WoW changes and predictions, as it could be a pain to implement again.

The new thread is like no properly tagged with the CCU prefix and it's framed as "why did this game fail", and will end up being another CCU thread like the last one. Seems weird to close the CCU thread just to have another one immediately replace it.

God damn CCU discussion is serious business

[BIONIC]

Genocide Pit Bulls.

[D3RANG3D]

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[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/representatives-mike-lawler-r-and-josh-gottheimer-d-introduce-resolution-to-us-house-to-condemn-hasan-piker-for-antisemitism.1505824/

[jooseloose]

wtf is going on with this Marathon crash out?

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/philosynoir-pit-bulls-are-black.1505110/

Incoming Planetsmasher post about how in 3rd grade he was almost mauled by a 6ft Pomeranian or some shit.

Planetsmasher

My friend had a rescue dog that blatantly didn't trust women. We basically came to the conclusion after knowing him for a little while that his previous owner must have been a woman who deeply mistreated him, because he would be really calm and nice around both him and me but the SECOND his girlfriend or any other woman was in the room he immediately pivoted into a completely defensive, "someone's gonna hurt me" mode. You could even see his muscles clench up the moment he could smell her. The poor thing was just deeply emotionally broken and it haunted him for the rest of his life.

It feels like all of the worst aspects of a poodle and a golden slammed together into one dog. I don't know why my family was so dedicated to getting one; we've only ever had goldens and a golden/pyrenees mix up until this point and they've all largely been pretty chill, generally low-maintenance animals. This one has two modes: asleep or "I'm gonna have/give you a panic attack" with no middle ground.

I really hope he ages out of this because if he doesn't I'm gonna lose my mind and the cats are going to hate living in this house for his entire life.

I wish my family did research on goldendoodle temperament before they decided they HAD to get one and outvoted me when I said I didn't want one. This puppy makes me want to scream.

The part that's honestly so stressful about dog ownership is that you just don't know until you know. You have no way of knowing if a dog has the capacity to go completely apeshit until it does it. Any breed can snap, there are just some breeds that are more dangerous as a baseline when they do.

We have a new goldendoodle puppy right now (3 and a half months, I think?) and he's so energetic and aggressive (and so prone to catastrophic separation anxiety meltdowns) that I am constantly terrified he's going to flip out one day and rip our cats to shreds. Thankfully the cats hate him and basically avoid him at all times because they blatantly do not trust his behavior patterns, but the entire reason we got a dog in the first place was to get a playmate for our younger cat to make him stop harassing our older cat. So now we have an asshole puppy and a kitten who thinks his 6-year-old older sister who's recovering from heart failure wants to wrestle all the time (she does not). Instead of solving the kitten's energy problem we've multiplied it.

My stress levels have a floor of 4/10 right now because I just can't feel any degree of calm with this idiot in the house.

Exactly. I remember seeing something somewhere that Golden Retrievers, of all breeds, have one of the highest per-capita bite rates (largely contributed to by their sheer popularity and the tendency of families with kids to get them), but due to the fact that their jaws aren't built the same way as a Rott or a Pit, the chances of serious injury are vastly, vastly lower. Goldens also (typically) don't have the temperament that makes them absolutely lock in when they bite.

That being said, even a golden can be dangerous. We had one when I was a college student that flat-out killed another dog. So even "nice" dogs can be dangerous.

Do you think he just stone cold makes these stories up or do you think he adapts stories he heard other people say?

[Uncle]

Also thread got weird with someone calling 'getting to third base' heteronormative and anti-lgbt

The bases are just heteronormative bs that I wish folks would move on from so it's probably for the best.

What's heteronormative about it? I don't even know what about it would be restricted to certain genders or sexualities

The baseball metaphor is heternormative because it flattens the sexual experience into a series of distinct, hetero-focused actions, with fourth base (the "goal") being penetrative sex. Queer folks don't necessarily engage with sex within these distinct actions – many gay men and lesbian women don't participate in penetrative intercourse at all, for example – so the baseball metaphor necessarily can't be applied to all or even most queer sexual relationships.

Not all heterosexual couples have intercourse either, btw, so your argument has a fundamental flaw in it.

All sexual relationships have some escalation, though, and given that there aren't hard-and-fast rules for what the various bases apply to, I see no reason why it couldn't be applied to queer relationships as well.

… sure but the metaphor is literally based on heterosexual sex.

And definitions can be expanded over time.

Again, there's literally zero reason why queer sexual relationships couldn't also have an escalation scale, and there's also no reason why every analogy has to apply to every person.

If a man has tried to touch the statue's penis instead of a woman, the third-base analogy would have still made perfect sense.

and blueballs wonders why we make fun of that place

Even if it is heteronormative, literally who gives a shit? How dare the overwhelming hetero majority talk about sex in ways that applies to them?

that's really english-normative of you to post this message here in english

[Uncle]

wtf is going on with this Marathon crash out?

my guess?

more threads makes resetera look more lively, it "gets those numbers up" so that moba looks better and/or won't shut them down

they may have been instructed to implement something like this, which is why b-dubs absolutely refuses to relent and just let people talk about whatever they want in their megathreads

maybe some of these commands from on high conflict with things nepenthe wants to bother telling people to do and enforcing which is why she's been quieter recently

[Jansen]

wtf is going on with this Marathon crash out?

Marathon is somewhat slowly dying and the marathon enjoyers can't stand the existence of a thread that constantly reminds them of that

Anyways BDubs doing his usual caved to the complainers and shut down the CCU thread so now there is panic everywhere for some fucking reason

Hole up...

After listening to feedback, we won't do the two week limit thing, instead, as we did with the politics subforum on the Etc side, we're going to make a "Sales/CCU" subforum. All Alinea / CCU / sales / famitsu stuff will be posted in there. This will make it easier for people to ignore and allow us to subforum ban users from sales/ccu discussion entirely if they decide they want to try trolling or attacking other members. That said, we do still want new news to result in new threads.

Holy shit B-Dubs listened and came up with a decent solution for once

[TylenolJones]

wtf is going on with this Marathon crash out?

Sonyponies get 1 game a year so it’s a pretty big deal.

[TylenolJones]

Bdumbs added new sub forum for sales and ccu talk

  

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-9#post-154365385

I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO READ THIS SHIT ON RESETERA.

You could hit the ignore button.

Are you serious right fucking now with this? If I don't wanna see users defending nazi shit, I should ignore it? How about NO. How about we don't platform bs like downplaying Nazi Tattoos. This site should be better than letting ppl obfuscate for Nazi behaviour, full stop. You are not clever. I care about this site, and the message we put out yo the world. That is why.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-9#post-154365820

Are you serious right fucking now with this?

Yes.

This isn't your personal clubhouse.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-9#post-154366021

You are telling a minority to eat shit and let ppl cape for Nazi's. It may not be my clubhouse but I care about the ppl here, genuienly. I wont let Nazi supporters take it over without at-least trying to stop it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-9#post-154366216

You are litterally telling a minority to eat shit

If I was doing that I'd already be banned. And rightfully so.

You should ignore Platner threads for your own well being. Maybe stop saying that Nazi's are taking over the forum.

Or dont. Whatever.

I did not realize that ResetEra was a nazi clubhouse.

That's because it so very clearly is not.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-9#post-154366615

Defending a guy with Nazi tattoos from critisism is about about as defensive for Nazi's as you can get. You got something to tell us?

A club that lets nazi defenders and sympathizers go unchecked is very clearly a nazi clubhouse.

Nazis are welcome in the clubhouse?

Just straight up calling admin secret Nazis lol

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-9#post-154366798

I didn't - I called out your idioitic ignore post and suggestion.

No, I'm calling YOU a nazi defender and making a PLEA to the admin to not allow Nazi defenders anymore. Nice try tho .

If there are Nazi's here, then admin is allowing it.

They clearly aren't banning a bunch of people in this thread despite your wall of text.

So yes, repeatedly calling this place a Nazi den necessarily means that the admin are ok with Nazis.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-10#post-154366858

It's been a few hours give it time.

This thread is two weeks old

And? You think the Admin can't admit they let the Nazi defenders go too far? I do. To be clear I have no issue with platner threads exsisting, just the running of defense for his nazi tattoo behaviour.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/graham-platner-apologizes-for-using-ableist-slur-r-word-in-interview.1493128/page-10#post-154367167

I mean, I could take the same route and call people who support mills, Biden and Harris genocide defenders.
But I recognize that they aren't.
cause the fact of the matter is that Platner could go either way. We do not have ANY idea if he even wins and what he will do if he does. He don't pass the smell test for me, but for many people in Maine he does.
And the sad fact is that what ever side is proven wrong or right, his candidacy will be used to discredit one wing of the party.
And that is the biggest issue for me, cause I know we need both wings.
I'd caution both sides against that.

I don't give a flying finger what you think tbh, but pop off

[Potato]

wtf is going on with this Marathon crash out?

Marathon is somewhat slowly dying and the marathon enjoyers can't stand the existence of a thread that constantly reminds them of that

Anyways BDubs doing his usual caved to the complainers and shut down the CCU thread so now there is panic everywhere for some fucking reason

Hole up...

After listening to feedback, we won't do the two week limit thing, instead, as we did with the politics subforum on the Etc side, we're going to make a "Sales/CCU" subforum. All Alinea / CCU / sales / famitsu stuff will be posted in there. This will make it easier for people to ignore and allow us to subforum ban users from sales/ccu discussion entirely if they decide they want to try trolling or attacking other members. That said, we do still want new news to result in new threads.

Holy shit B-Dubs listened and came up with a decent solution for once

How is that a decent solution? 

Just tell the cunts to stfu for a change. Every user can ignore threads on their own.

The only sub forum that place needs is one for the trans topics.

[Jansen]

I think it's pretty obvious that the Marathon CCU thread became an OT for people with a vested interest in the failure of the game. I'm not not interested in the metrics, but the degree to which certain posters are breathlessly posting about every change in the graph is exhausting. That became sillier and sillier as time went on and it became clear it wasn't going to be shut down immediately, but as long as the sniping between threads was kept to a minimum I suppose I appreciated it as a way to contain the discussion and meta-commentary about the business side of the game separated from discussion of the game, positive or negative, in the OT.



That being said, the thread got locked because of intra-thread whining, the OP came into the OT to whine, and now has been allowed to create the exact same thread again with a thin veneer of brainstorming "how to fix" "what went wrong." I don't think this is a good faith response to the lock, and the response to the response has caused a big kerfuffle that's upset both ends of the conversation.



EDIT--hey nevermind! A solution appeared while I was typin
g lol

[simiansmarts]

Shitlib admins showing their whole ass AGAIN. 

[Let's Cyber]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/representatives-mike-lawler-r-and-josh-gottheimer-d-introduce-resolution-to-us-house-to-condemn-hasan-piker-for-antisemitism.1505824/#post-154364293

Out of everything going on in this country and outside of it on a global scale, we're introducing legislation to take down a Twitch streamer.

I really like how depending on the thread, Hasan Piker is either the powerful voice of a generation of young leftists ready to begin the glorious revolution, or just a teeny-weeny twitch streamer just minding his own business

Schrödinger's Tankie.