Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

Imagine if Based-Dubs ran Era by the principles of Juche instead of this loser lib shit.

[Potato]

I've been mulling over giving my piece on the drama regarding Fat4all because I know we aren't supposed to be relitigating bans and because I know that some of what I have been wanting to say would verge on also breaking the rules regarding thread whining and backseat modding. With that said, I am not going to deny that this whole thing feels like another point of frustration for me that I know a lot of other posters are certainly feeling, so I'm going to go ahead and just post and just accept it if I get dinged for it. My apologies ahead of time for this being long and probably rambling.

Fat4all has undeniably been one of the community icons for a long time. I know her style is not always the easiest for everyone to get along with, and her gimmick posting can sometimes just be...weird. That said, I think her presence is something that has been a net positive for the community and her absence is going to be sorely felt. That her departure from the community is a result of this all is not the best look, and it is also admittedly not the best look when considering her prior clashing with staff (to be clear, I do not think that was really a factor here, but I am also not going to be surprised if people *think* it is given past tensions between the staff and the userbase). I know people often see ban messages referencing posting history as someone dodgy given the site doesn't let us actually see that history, but having been here from the beginning and just remembering when a lot of the more prominent users ate bans and were gone for a time, I know that she does have a past history for getting banned by taking things a little too far, so I don't disagree with there being a ban for a clear rule violation, given parody threads are against the rules and this specific parody thread was directly mocking a specific user, and this one being harsher given said history. She's a prominent member of the community, but I agree that a person should not be exempt from the rules even if they are a prominent poster, and it honestly is frustrating when that *does* happen here (or, it at least *appears* that it does). I wish she wouldn't have bounced from this forum, but I do get that sometimes you do have to make an example.

At the same time, I also get *why* that thread was bound to happen.

I'm going to be blunt. I have not always thought the best of the target of her parody thread in the past (and that includes back when they were posting under their old account before they had that deleted for unfortunate reasons). Like a lot of people here, it was easy to just see them as, at worst, a bot just posting random articles as thread, and, at best, someone who was basically flooding the forum with their RSS feed. I will openly even admit to reporting a lot of their threads because there were times they would just post whole articles (which is supposed to be against the rules), because they were posting things with basically no commentary (also against the rules), and they were posting stuff that really had little point for actually discussing (not necessarily against the rules, but something discouraged).

I've since interacted with them a little more and have just accepted that they are actually a relatively nice person who is just enthusiastic about sharing news (i am bolding this because I specifically want people to take this to mind for themselves), especially if it has to do with their local/regional community. I bare no ill will towards them anymore and have mostly eased off of groaning whenever I see the unmistakable formatting of their thread titles.

That said, the numerous Marriott threads were a step too far and were bound to result in someone finding a creative way to lash out because, at the end of the day, we posters are kind of powerless to do much about trying to curb threads like this. Pushing back in them in the threads themselves is a breach of the threadwhining rule. We get told to report them, but I know I am not the only person who has done so and just been...ignored. We get told set the poster to ignore but that also means we miss out on when that poster posts things that actually *are* worth seeing. We get told to ignore tags, but that also has its weaknesses. We can always just ignore individual threads as they come, but also, like it'll just keep happening as things are the way they are. I can't blame Fat4all for deciding to go the parody route when it probably felt like nothing would be done about those threads.

If it wasn't going to be Fat4all being the one to do it and the poster in question being the one it happened to, it was going to happen to someone else doing something to make light of a different poster because it *has* happened before. We have a number of posters at this site who basically treat the site as a dumping ground for the most random news. I get that one of the benefit of this site is that it can and does serve as a way for people to curate news for discussion, but there are a lot of threads that don't really feel like they ultimately pass the sniff test for being really all that worthy of a thread. Often times, you will even have some of these posters overlapping in the same interests and in their rush to try and create these threads, we will occasionally end up with multiple threads on the same topic, often all with the same barebones effort that often falls short of the effort we've all been asked to give when making new threads. Reporting them often doesn't feel like it does much, unless it is a particularly egregious example. When there is punishment for someone spamming these types of threads, it rarely feels like the punishment amounts to much and those posters are right back to their old habits (which, I do want to reiterate that it feels rare, because I know that there are a few examples of people losing thread making privileges).

I know some people might not see this as a big problem, but I think it has significantly impacted the readability of this forum and has contributed to a lot of potentially good discussion threads getting buried because of the constant flood of low effort news threads. Even some good news threads feel like they also end up getting lost in the weeds because of this issue. I don't want people to stop posting new threads to share information, but I do think it sucks that we are likely going to keep shedding posters who make for good discussions in order to prop up the people who just post threads. Fat4all isn't the first person we've lost because of this and I suspect she won't be the last.

tl;dr: I think this whole drama is a sign that perhaps we need to have some kind of formal dialogue and consideration of an update to the forum rules to maybe curb the sheer amount of low effort threads with little to discuss because I think we are going to keep having people lashing out and potentially get run off the forum if we end up in a situation where we care more about the creation of more threads than we do about the
 quality of discussion.

What's with this blatant misgendering of KSweeley MDCrabCakeFan?

Referring to him as "they/them" erases his gender identity as a "he/him" and I will not stand for it! Typical Bdubbs not caring about vulnerable communities. We need to have a summit now before the Maryland enjoyers community is run off in droves.

[Potato]

fat4yall

a guy that licks cum from toilet seats is their community icon

Was the toilet seat ok?

[TylenolJones]

Sucker Punch Concludes Planned Post-Launch Updates for Ghost of Yōtei Legends Just Two Months After Launch

That is a shame, also sucks because chuds will use this to claim "victory" and use this as "proof" that it bombed or some shit

I hate how these losers have ruined discussion online

Fucking chuds. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sucker-punch-concludes-planned-post-launch-updates-for-ghost-of-yōtei-legends-just-two-months-after-launch.1522546/#post-155061595

[Daffy Duck]

Sucker Punch Concludes Planned Post-Launch Updates for Ghost of Yōtei Legends Just Two Months After Launch

That is a shame, also sucks because chuds will use this to claim "victory" and use this as "proof" that it bombed or some shit

I hate how these losers have ruined discussion online

Fucking chuds. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sucker-punch-concludes-planned-post-launch-updates-for-ghost-of-yōtei-legends-just-two-months-after-launch.1522546/#post-155061595

Love to ask that poster if the chuds are in the room with us now

[normalindividual]

#teamzeo 

Pretty dickish to judge someone by the car they drive but that is exactly the type of a car I'd expect a man (or he/them) baby to drive.  No doubt he was too busy owning the chuds on twitter to pay attention to the road.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%98fantastic-four%E2%80%99-writer-jeremy-slater-thought-the-2015-reboot-would-be-the-next-%E2%80%98dark-knight%E2%80%99-trilogy.1522462/#post-155052616

Being fair, I did like probably 40% of that movie. It's just where it craps the bed it makes a big mess.

Guess he is an expert on that matter.

[Let's Cyber]

All the way back in the first volume (arrows by the "Bire username wrote" will take you to the place in that thread), there's more fallout in the first part of this volume, B-Dubs would wind up deleting this post:

...

This all started with Nepenthe arguing to B-Dubs that he had a duty to die to protest Gaza rather than vote for Democrats. The guy is such a loser he then didn't vote, while Nepenthe did because she's somehow more dishonest than the rest of them.

Holy fucking based, thank you.   
 
It has to be way more dysfunctional behind the scenes that I would have thought. 

[Snoopy]

#teamzeo 

That’s not his car. That belongs to his Mexican neighbor. He’s laughing at her because she likes Prince more than Charlie XCX

[Potato]

All the way back in the first volume (arrows by the "Bire username wrote" will take you to the place in that thread), there's more fallout in the first part of this volume, B-Dubs would wind up deleting this post:

...

This all started with Nepenthe arguing to B-Dubs that he had a duty to die to protest Gaza rather than vote for Democrats. The guy is such a loser he then didn't vote, while Nepenthe did because she's somehow more dishonest than the rest of them.

Holy fucking based, thank you.   
 
It has to be way more dysfunctional behind the scenes that I would have thought. 

The only group Bdubbs can't make quit the site in droves is the moderation staff

[Let's Cyber]

The only group Bdubbs can't make quit the site in droves is the moderation staff

I'm reading through the old drama now and apparently there was a PoliERA schism too? 

Which is funny as fuck because that's where Bdubs made his bread and butter on GAF, sperging out in the PoliGAF thread. 

He couldn't even protect his own people and hold home court advantage. 

[JoeBoy101]

The only group Bdubbs can't make quit the site in droves is the moderation staff

I'm reading through the old drama now and apparently there was a PoliERA schism too? 

Which is funny as fuck because that's where Bdubs made his bread and butter on GAF, sperging out in the PoliGAF thread. 

He couldn't even protect his own people and hold home court advantage. 

He wasn’t even trying to protect them, though. On the contrary, he threw them under the bus to protect Neppy for a clenched teeth slightly apologetic statement that she confirmed was forced like 6 months later.

[Let's Cyber]

He wasn’t even trying to protect them, though. On the contrary, he threw them under the bus to protect Neppy for a clenched teeth slightly apologetic statement that she confirmed was forced like 6 months later.

Is there a good starting point for PoliERA implosion? I'm making my way through post-election 2024 fallout today

[kaleidoscopium]

There has been a PoliEra implosion every few years  doubt it’s catalogued anywhere in great detail unfortunately.

[BIONIC]

He wasn’t even trying to protect them, though. On the contrary, he threw them under the bus to protect Neppy for a clenched teeth slightly apologetic statement that she confirmed was forced like 6 months later.

Is there a good starting point for PoliERA implosion? I'm making my way through post-election 2024 fallout today

That’s what you get for trying to have a life without us

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-like-star-fox-adventures.1522654/#post-155069092

It's not a great game, but I do like it.

One of the first games that did fur well (which obviously doesn't hold up given advances in graphics). Seeing Fox made of more than flat polygons, and with actual fuzzy texture, was enough to make up for a lot of shortcomings.

[NekoFever]

He wasn’t even trying to protect them, though. On the contrary, he threw them under the bus to protect Neppy for a clenched teeth slightly apologetic statement that she confirmed was forced like 6 months later.

Is there a good starting point for PoliERA implosion? I'm making my way through post-election 2024 fallout today

I can’t remember the details but IIRC there was tension between staff and PoliEra over a ban. Someone in PoliEra dug up posts about Israel from Nepenthe’s public Twitter account and let it slip that they’d come across the posts via Kiwifarms.

This was used as the smoking gun that PoliEra was full of doxing centrists putting staff lives in danger. The thread was locked until they agreed to hand over the keys to the PoliEra Discord to Era staff so they could clean house.

I don’t even remember exactly how it turned out other than there were apologies through gritted teeth and it resulted in the current denutted PoliEra.

[HaughtyFrank]

He wasn’t even trying to protect them, though. On the contrary, he threw them under the bus to protect Neppy for a clenched teeth slightly apologetic statement that she confirmed was forced like 6 months later.

Is there a good starting point for PoliERA implosion? I'm making my way through post-election 2024 fallout today

I can’t remember the details but IIRC there was tension between staff and PoliEra over a ban. Someone in PoliEra dug up posts about Israel from Nepenthe’s public Twitter account and let it slip that they’d come across the posts via Kiwifarms.

This was used as the smoking gun that PoliEra was full of doxing centrists putting staff lives in danger. The thread was locked until they agreed to hand over the keys to the PoliEra Discord to Era staff so they could clean house.

I don’t even remember exactly how it turned out other than there were apologies through gritted teeth and it resulted in the current denutted PoliEra.

I'm not sure if they handed over the keys to the discord. I remember them cleaning house and planning to make the discord their new home.

There was however a moment where Hecht revealed himself on the discord announcing that he had been reading everything they were saying

At that point I was on the discord myself (unfortunately not any longer) and got the super duper exclusive scoop

https://thebire.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3&pid=42699#pid42699

[Uncle]

At that point I was on the discord myself (unfortunately not any longer)

[Propagandhim]

y'all forget how he told nep to eat his ass? She's emotionally and physically scarred from that textual assault.

The worst part of that whole offense was just how much ass he told her to eat - his *whole* ass.  It's...honestly...just recounting it is bringing back trauma I thought I buried years ago


it's just so much fuckin ass

[HaughtyFrank]

At that point I was on the discord myself (unfortunately not any longer)

They did some verification process, I think you had to post something with your Resetera account. I didn't want to expose myself to I voluntarily left. Now in hindsight I wonder if I should have just done it just to see where the group ends up

[Let's Cyber]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ignore-user-feature-do-you-use-it.1522756/page-4#post-155078704

Like there's a modestly popular TV show thread where one user, from season 1, years before I joined, just was shitting on the show constantly and still does in season 4. I don't need to see that guys take on anything if he has that sort of dedication to something he hates. And there's not even the zeitgeist excuse because the thread and show aren't even super popular.

Zeo or Psmash?

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ignore-user-feature-do-you-use-it.1522756/page-4#post-155078704

Like there's a modestly popular TV show thread where one user, from season 1, years before I joined, just was shitting on the show constantly and still does in season 4. I don't need to see that guys take on anything if he has that sort of dedication to something he hates. And there's not even the zeitgeist excuse because the thread and show aren't even super popular.

Zeo or Psmash?

Both

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

at the same time

[benji]

Is there a good starting point for PoliERA implosion? I'm making my way through post-election 2024 fallout today

I can try to dig it up if HaughtyFrank's link doesn't go close enough to it. But to summarize from memory...

I posted Nepenthe's house months before all this popped off:


Many months later Nepenthe posted something about how the "collective nation of Jewish people" needed to take responsibility for the genocide. Then refused to elaborate when this obviously questionable take was questioned.

On here I posted Nepenthe's Twitter where she explicitly called for a genocide of Israelis (and non-Black Americans for that matter) on Oct 7th, 2023 and also said that if Palestinians "wanted" an authoritarian state to rule over them that was their right. (Oddly I continue to be the only one who seems to express major issue with this second tweet. This is why y'all aren't serious.)

PoliEra was aware enough of The Bire that this got to them and eventually someone posted it on Era, with the staff reacting instantly to permabanning the person and shutting down discussion.

I had posted her house since that original time and probably had posted it around this time again. In any case, the staff at Era saw I had posted her house. This led to police and prison abolitionist Nepenthe filing a police report with her local police about The Bire on legal advice from the security guard at her pharmacy.

This was part of the charges against PoliEra too. However there were additional charges from B-Dubs and Hecht looking through their Discord. One person admitted visiting Kiwi Farms to see if there was more information on Nepenthe's genocidal views. Visiting certain websites was considered a severe violation of Era terms of service. Additionally a member had joked that they hoped Nepenthe kept up her insane rhetoric because it'd get the FBI to look into her. B-Dubs considered this the worst thing anyone on Era has ever done because, and I'm not quoting but you know my knack(™) for near-verbatim phrasing, YOU CAN NOT JOKE ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS IF EVEN ONE PERSON TOOK THAT SERIOUSLY LIVES COULD BE PUT IN DANGER. Never did B-Dubs explain why this logic only ever applied to a single Discord message seen by maybe tens or hundreds of people rather than the stuff posted daily on his forum including by staff members such as Nepenthe.

In any case, B-Dubs led a purge of a bunch of PoliEra posters including the guy who made the OTs and handed it over to mentally deficient and subliterate krazen who has failed to follow the directive to make new threads every so often. They were also holding a permaban over the heads of people to try and take more control over the Discord.

The only thing Nepenthe has ever said about her clear calls for genocide is complaining that she's not allowed to post about the topic anymore. Nobody has ever said anything about the fact that she said multiple times that various ethnicities need to "go back where they belong."

[killamajig]

[Taco Bell Tower]

I wish someone would call her out on the furry she scammed 

[Boredfrom]

The woke squad now are claiming that OG Doom was bad just to defend the MixTape and Mouse PI score.  

Even Morrigan got annoyed by this declaration.

[Taco Bell Tower]

OG DOOM  was bad?  

[NekoFever]

This led to police and prison abolitionist Nepenthe filing a police report with her local police about The Bire

This was the funniest part of the whole saga.

[Uncle]

This led to police and prison abolitionist Nepenthe filing a police report with her local police about The Bire

This was the funniest part of the whole saga.