Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Let's Cyber]

The logic is flawed, but I can see why he thinks that way. The same people have literally bought GTA5 across 3 different console generations.

Sure those people exist, but linking to a post on the GTA subreddit to prove it is meaningless when those players are generally more hardcore fans. Selection bias.

If the previous console version was mostly dead, I would buy this "trading up" idea to the newer versions, but the player base is still strong on PS4/Xbox One.*

[Potato]

Like I said, his logic is flawed. It's the same logic the Nintentards used against the PS1 and the Sony Ponies used against the X360 when those pieces of shit systems kept breaking and everyone had to replace at least 1 in their lifetime. "Sony/MS hasn't sold more consoles, people just had to replace broken ones!"

[benji]

Echoes lore https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/post-155844349

Decided to watch the trailer for that God of War Laufey (I haven't played Ragnarok and never finished the 4th one so wasn't going to but with so much discussion I decided to see what's up).

I do get some of the criticism, some of the dialogue does feel a bit quippy (though I'd also argue dark comedy is a large part of the franchise since the start, for better or for worse given how gross that could be, GOW3 especially) and now watching it, I do get the complaints where the dialogue is just explaining what's happening on screen. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be and it's certainly not MCU levels.

As someone who studied to be a screenwriter their is the importance of negative space when it comes to dialogue, that many times it is better to let the music, actions and expressions on the actors do the work of the dialogue a single look can often say more then lines of dialogue can't. I'm also not the biggest fan of Bathos and don't like when fantasy and Sci-Fi writers feel the needs to stop to go "He this is silly right!?" when it comes to a fantastical idea or concept, it often feels insecure and doesn't trust the audience to believe in it when reading and watching the work. It can work, like with The Princess Pride which is built on the trope and works with the themes of the story, but often I wish works would be more sincere and really go all in with their silliness, embrace it rather then be embarrassed by it.

Of course sincere doesn't mean not silly, the 60s Batman is sincere but fully embraces its camp and silliness, same with She-Ra or Star Trek TOS and I love all three for the most part.

Though I will say I don't like people conflating legit criticism with the chuds, especially criticism coming from women, it can feel like weaponizing the chuds as a way to shut down any form of discussion or critique that isn't just hype and I really don't like that. Don't let chuds control the narrative, it's what they want.

Another person on that forum who studied to be a writer, can't write for shit, is one-note in their imagination and reads poorly.

Oh no, they've come fort the Platypus

Speaking of literacy. Intersex means "between the sexes" so it literally implies a binary. If they were third and beyond sexes it would just be well, more sexes, not intersex. And they're not, they're the same two sexes, just with a disorder.

Also, we probably shouldn't rule out that humans can lay eggs since Platypuses are mammals and they lay eggs.

Because is Kratos’ second wife.

What happened to the first one?

[benji]

Also, we probably shouldn't rule out that humans can lay eggs since Platypuses are mammals and they lay eggs.

egg post

[Orange Juice Box]

Reminds me of that one ex-cop who supposedly had Memento disorder. Not sure if he still posts there.

F34R pretty sure he’s still posting.

Such a thorn he is for Era.  Hero cop who got brain damage when he dove to push two homeless teens out of the way and a truck hit him.  He debated and gave up his gun after holding on to it for years.  ACAB has tried to find a means to make him a bad person but nothing sticks.  

Echoes lore https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/post-155844349

Though I will say I don't like people conflating legit criticism with the chuds, especially criticism coming from women, it can feel like weaponizing the chuds as a way to shut down any form of discussion or critique that isn't just hype and I really don't like that. Don't let chuds control the narrative, it's what they want.

Someone realizes that saying, "omg the chuds will hate this, " or saying ,"I bet the chuds support this," is not useful.  And it doesn't mean you should support or disavow a thing just because the chuds in your mind like/hate it.

[benji]

And it doesn't mean you should support or disavow a thing just because the chuds in your mind like/hate it.

That's exactly what the chuds in my mind want.

[Boredfrom]

Hamas Era and progressives are crossing their wires in the Platner thread

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-several-women-who-dated-graham-platner-recall-‘unsettling’-behavior.1539874/page-3#post-155882953

A literal nazi is defending the accuser. Take that for what you will.

You are saying this to defend a guy that has a literal Nazi Tattoo, you stupid asshole.

ERA: “Believe the victims, except this time.”

[benji]

Listen up allies:

@GideonGordonGraves07
1 year ago (edited)
As I mentioned in around 2021 or so, to my xenogender friends, “if someone (usually a transphobe) asks you to ‘name every gender’, tell them it’s like naming every celestial body in the observable universe and beyond. It simply cannot be done. Therefore, gender I think is infinite.”

@howstrangerous13
1 year ago (edited)
While I'm frankly unsure as to whether or not I identify with any xenogenders, I do love the hell out of the explanations given in this video. They make SO MUCH SENSE. (Sincerely, a voidpunk demigirl)

I genuinely don't know if my slight temptation to try out bun/bunself pronouns is a xenogender thing or just my obsession with bunnies lol

@TheSalubriOutcast
1 year ago (edited)
Xenogender non-human system here. We use neopronouns.
There's not much about us online, and even less of it is kind.
"oh people don't identify as <insert thing that isn't human>" arguments.
or the even scarier fact that conservatives and reactionaries are starting to notice us.
We wish alterhumaniy as a whole was better accepted.
We consider myself an abinary demifluid dragon. Our gender and species are extremely tied too, as specieswise we are also a dragon. It rings so deeply in our being.

@sinimeg
1 year ago
I’m part of the xenogender gang, but mostly use non-binary to refer to myself and they/them pronouns because if that is already difficult to explain and for people to understand, then I don’t want to imagine what would happen if I tried to explain Voidpunk and why shadows with eyes (like Alucard from Hellsing or Pride from FMAB) give me gender envy 😅

@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t
1 year ago
I'm nonbinary, specifically genderflor, and go by any pronouns. When I learned of the "controversy" over xenogenders, what immediately struck me was that the people who disparage them are making the same exact arguments I've heard elsewhere. And I have some thoughts about them.

First of all, how does anyone know that people are just making things up? This sounds very much like what trans-exclusionists argue, that it's just a phase, or it's just kids on the internet trying to fit in. Everything, from identity, to mental health, to physical health starts with self-assessment. Not everything has to be officially diagnosed, and in our current healthcare system, not everyone can afford it. People will use new terms to describe experiences they have no other way of expressing. Denigrating them because one finds their pronouns and gender labels confusing makes no sense.

Second, language is always evolving, and it's a chaotic process. People are so used to language having strict rules written in books that you have to memorize for school, but this undercuts the fact that all the rules, vocabulary, and phrases we use today had to come from somewhere. You don't think people argued over the use of words in every century past? Or that we haven't come up with new terms to describe new phenomena based on information we didn't have before? Science comes up with new terminology all the time for this purpose, and the rules of language are descriptive in addition to prescriptive.

Third, identity is a lot more complex than people think. Sexuality, gender, and neurodivergence are not the only categories of identity, and we're just now finding out how they inform one another. I've learned to err on the side of acceptance. If it's kids exploring their identities, they'll eventually figure it out, but they need to be afforded the space to do that. Telling them they're wrong, or sound cringe, or are too young to know what they're talking about, does not help.

Fourth, I don't know where people get off inventing fake outrage over supposed harm being caused by such a small minority. It might confuse people? It might convince kids they're something they're not? It makes trans people look bad? The same things were said by transmedicalists against nonbinary people. They don't just rhyme. They're identical.

Spoiler: all   (click to show)(click to hide)

@CamToad
1 year ago
I go by neo pronouns toad/toads/toadself and void/voids. But idk if I'm a xenogender. I might look into that expression more 🥺. Thank you for this video 💛🤍💜🖤🏳️‍⚧️

@ellingtonfeint13
1 year ago (edited)
This is such a good video, thank you! I'm a cis, hetero woman, who enjoys stereotypical femininity (only aesthetically). Therefore the entire idea of not identifying with the gender you were born, is super foreign to me. Now I can articulate the reason why.
Since the idea of not identifying with my birth-gender is so foreign to me, Xenogenders are on an EMOTIONAL level an abstract idea. I have difficulty imagining the experience, which would help with empathizing. At this point it is easy to walk into the trap "I don't understand that thing, therefore it has to be nonsense," which is where logic comes into play, personally nor perceiving something, doesn't mean it does not exist or happen.

Your video, removed a level of abstraction for me. Viewing the pronouns as another name is such an elegant suggestion, because it removes the idea of having to go through some kind of difficult filtering process in order to "get the gender and pronouns right." People keep saying that it is so hard to keep up with the pronouns, but it is such a tiny effort, like remembering your friend's middle-name. Like you said it is the literal function of a pronoun.

@siennility4706
1 year ago
The only other thing I could add is just how honestly insulting it is when the hate comes from another trans person, even one who is supposedly accepting of other non-binary people.
I have no idea where they get the idea that a non-binary gender must exist specifically upon a spectrum of masculine to feminine. It's just feels like binary gender again, especially to me.

Like,,, no, you don't get to invalidate my life experience. No you don't get to draw a box around a certain set of ways a person can be and declare that no one can be in a way that exists outside of that box.
Especially when there are people literally telling you otherwise.

The arrogance of it all drives me mad.

@SilentGlaceon94
1 year ago
This video is actually pretty helpful for figuring out how I identify myself. I knew that for the most part, I am a woman (feminine presenting). However, there is a small part that isn't (Like, about 10-15%) within the standard binary.

While I know that I am a demiwoman, figuring out that 10-15% is really tricky.

@zaxfaea
8 months ago (edited)
This was really nice to watch, and I hadn't thought about the Mars and Venus symbols before— that's a really good way to illustrate the point. It's also great to see people not just defending xenogenders without othering them, but also celebrating them.


And just for fun, I wanted to add my own experience with xenogenders! I'm bigender— I "translate" those two genders to man and neuter when I need people to understand me quickly.

Symbols like superimposition represent
how my two genders are whole and simultaneous, without fluidity.

The "man" gender is represented by symbols like storms, metal, astronaut suits, the color Stygian Blue.

The "neuter" gender is represented by symbols like aerogel, bubbles, nighttime, and complexity.

I've spent about eight years building it up, exploring what spread of symbols represent my genders— I figure if the classical ones can have lots of symbols, I can definitely have a few myself haha.

I also put a lot of time into thinking about and refining them— I don't like mine being arbitrary. Having the symbols feel (subjectively) logical is part of how I express my gender, I guess.

Anyway, thanks for making this video! Your support for xenogenders is exactly the kind that would make me feel comfortable expressing myself.

@thedudex2644
1 year ago
Thank you so much for this video, Ive seen alot of hate both on and in the xenogender community. I as a person who identifys with some xenogenders have never been fully able to describe my gender in words. I can and do tell people i am agenderfluid or librafluid (they seem to be the same thing), but ive never felt fully satisfied with that- I think in metaphors and connections and while i can say with these terms that i feel agendered most of the time but also fluid at times, they just dont fully describe how i feel. When i feel 'agendered' its not a disinterest or just a lacking feeling of gender as many describe it- its a complete lack of it as if i never had any or could have any at all- when I feel gendered i dont 'feel' gendered i feel all the things associated with it and the communitys of it. I eventually found the xenogenders of interestvoid (a complete lack of gender but able to feel gendered relateing to interests) and aliengender (relateing ones gender to how a alien might see use and interpret gender) I litterally have always described to people i feel no gender at all but when engaging in interests i might- i get gender envy of my favorite characters and there are times where i want to be various other genders i feel but it always just returns back to nothing. I have told people i relate alot to alien characters my whole life because they dont really have or understand gender yet still might still celebrate it and take peices of it on to themselves. Some exact words i have used is that I feel like a genderless completely disconnected alien who likes and sometimes wishes to participate in gender their own way- i can never just summerize that all with the terms agenderfluid or librafluid- and i know i sound like a total nut job but thats just how it is for me it just makes so much more sense and take so much less explaining to just say im interestvoid and aliengender

@SpineBones
1 year ago
Very good video, 10/10, thank you for spreading good information to combat the misinformation
I'm Gendersatyr, my gender flows through all nonfeminine genders, including xenogenders/neogenders so this video made me happy ^w^

@starlydonati2008
1 year ago
Returning to this one after someone else’s video about the place xenogenders should occupy in trans activism in his opinion, at the margins where they are now, rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, securing trans health care is a must, but so is undermining the superiority the classical genders feel over the xeno and neogenders. Even though the video I’m referring to hadn’t been outright hostile or even unaccommodating to xenogender people, it still felt marginalizing, especially compared to this video that explained their history as language and as a community and how they really are unfairly singled out as being made up when the whole thing, despite its importance, is made up.
Conceptual work of getting people to reevaluate their relationship to the social technology that is gender is imperative for helping those who are on the fence about trans rights really grok the importance of other more practical matters. The linguistic aspect of neopronouns and helping people understand their function in language and in society is a different front perhaps, but no less important than securing access to medical transition for anyone who wants it. Xenogenders are delightful and worthy of understanding, as much as xenine can be understood, and celebrating. They’re nothing to hide or begrudgingly defend, but something precious to include with the rest of the trans community.

@SnoFitzroy
1 year ago (edited)
Finally, a word for when I say things like "my gender is 'demiboy ferret,'" lol

I've been using the neos fert/ferts/fertself for a couple years now (it's a shorthand for "ferret" most commonly used among people who own/do husbandry with ferrets) and the preferred overall label I've landed on is "therian"  - it's really nice to see that there's a whole expansive community around "genders and identities that are neither male, female, or genderless"

Like. I have SO MUCH gender. It's just that the part of it that expresses on a "human" level is still halfway between a classical gender and nothing. I've had several annoying interactions where I politely go "hey, I don't go by they" and they go "I didn't see anything specific" as if my display name on every digital platform isn't something to the effect of "Snö (fert/ferts)" which makes me wonder if maybe the "(A/B)" format isn't as universal as I thought? Or maybe classicals just don't recognize that format if it's not using a well known combination? Idk.

@stevepenn2582
1 year ago
I think this video is missing a critical part where you say what the word "gender" means to people with Xenogenders

@EssenceOfThought
1 year ago
As noted in the video, that's wholly unique to the individual and some believe their xenine to be completely beyond explanation.

PRIDE SHOULD BE INCLUSIVE: NONE 👏 OF 👏 US 👏 ARE 👏 FREE 👏 UNTIL 👏 ALL 👏 OF 👏 US 👏 ARE 👏 FREE 👏

[HaughtyFrank]

Hamas Era and progressives are crossing their wires in the Platner thread

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyt-several-women-who-dated-graham-platner-recall-‘unsettling’-behavior.1539874/page-3#post-155882953

A literal nazi is defending the accuser. Take that for what you will.

You are saying this to defend a guy that has a literal Nazi Tattoo, you stupid asshole.

ERA: “Believe the victims, except this time.”

They would be a lot more honest if they just said that they they don't care what he does or believes as long as he's anti Israel

[Daffy Duck]

The chuds will be chudding over this 

[Straight Edge]

The chuds will be chudding over this 

Real fans know Team X was a CIA backed unit operating in the 60s consisting of Wolverine, Sabretooth, Maverick, Silver Fox, and others.

[Nintex]

Team X   

[Daffy Duck]

So they’re basically supporting Musk, they ain’t slick

[Uncle]

@howstrangerous13
1 year ago (edited)
While I'm frankly unsure as to whether or not I identify with any xenogenders, I do love the hell out of the explanations given in this video. They make SO MUCH SENSE. (Sincerely, a voidpunk demigirl)

I genuinely don't know if my slight temptation to try out bun/bunself pronouns is a xenogender thing or just my obsession with bunnies lol

 

you don't "try it out"

you force fucking everyone around you to arbitrarily adopt strange new terminology and treat you differently, under threat you'll chimp out at them

it's essentially like saying "hey friends, I think I'm gonna try out Esperanto, I need all y'all to learn it and only speak to me in Esperanto, thanks"

[HaughtyFrank]

The chuds will be chudding over this 

Real fans know Team X was a CIA backed unit operating in the 60s consisting of Wolverine, Sabretooth, Maverick, Silver Fox, and others.

The real question should be why they're turning this into an X-Men origin story when Jean Grey looks like she's 40 and the whole premise of the Spider-Man game was that he's been active for years in a world that has the Avengers, Fantastic Four and even some nods to the inhumans

[Besticus Maximus]

There's something about that wolverine game. It looks kind of goofy.

[Potato]

You mean a game about an immortal killing machine with a metal skeleton and retractable claws is goofy? 

[Besticus Maximus]

Are you satisfied with the decade you were born in?

[Daffy Duck]

lol 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/women-led-games-summer-games-fest-edition-ot-4pm-pt-7pm-et-12am-bst-1am-cest.1539697/unread

[Besticus Maximus]

lol 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/women-led-games-summer-games-fest-edition-ot-4pm-pt-7pm-et-12am-bst-1am-cest.1539697/unread

Every game is either a child's cartoon or a horror game 

Ill let others speculate on the psychohistory underlying this

[HaughtyFrank]

lol 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/women-led-games-summer-games-fest-edition-ot-4pm-pt-7pm-et-12am-bst-1am-cest.1539697/unread

This is really cool and I hope the chuds can grow up for once and not flood the comments on the archives like they've done before with similar ventures.
Just a good reminder both of how far we've come since gamergate and how far we still have to go.

Soulframe in there is a bit of an odd choice for this category, but I guess with Rebb and Megan hosting thay had to squeeze it in.

Is the Steam page for this one new ?

Do you want to remove the only big name game or something?

[Boredfrom]

The chuds will be chudding over this 

Based.

Saying this unironically. X-Men are the worst.

[Boredfrom]

I don’t want Insomniac doing identity politics after SpiderMan 2.

[Orange Juice Box]

lol 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/women-led-games-summer-games-fest-edition-ot-4pm-pt-7pm-et-12am-bst-1am-cest.1539697/unread

This is really cool and I hope the chuds can grow up for once and not flood the comments on the archives like they've done before with similar ventures.
Just a good reminder both of how far we've come since gamergate and how far we still have to go.

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/
What do the chuds think?  How will they react?  What will the chuds do?  Think of the chuds!  Don't enjoy anything without wondering how the chuds will either hate it or love it. Build your identity around what others think.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/women-led-games-summer-games-fest-edition-ot-4pm-pt-7pm-et-12am-bst-1am-cest.1539697/unread

Missed the showcase yesterday, going to have to watch it later! Thanks for all the links!

Also, can I be honest and say I'm pretty pissed that none of the sites I follow did any coverage of this showcase at all? They're all breathlessly ready to post the trailer for every single big game from the Sony, Xbox and Nintendo events, but can't even be arsed to put out an article that this one even happened.

I checked. Neither Chudtaku or TheChudder covered this although they both have stories about game-killer Geoff Keighley's upcoming scam or other important stories like how companies are avoiding GTA 6's release, an Xbox logo change or the top 8 trending games on Steam this month.

Chudtaku's top story from Imran's wife:


Other top Chudtaku stories:

By Amelia Zollner

Around the start of May, a cozy game called Librarian: Tidy Up the Arcane Library! began to slowly make its way up the Twitch charts. In Librarian, you’re tasked with organizing a whopping 3,072 books haphazardly strewn across a fantastical library’s floor. It’s definitely a tedious process a la PowerWash Simulator, but you eventually unlock magical abilities that make things easier, which have sparked plenty of speedruns and casual streams alike.

People love Librarian: Tidy Up the Arcane Library! A little over a week ago, it hit 29,000 concurrent players, which is pretty impressive considering the fact that it was developed by an indie team of only two people under the name ArtRising.

There’s one caveat with this game, though, and it’s buried at the veeeeery bottom of its Steam page: its developers used a bit of generative AI for asset refinement and grammatical corrections. In the weeks since its release, the game has spawned negative reviews, requests for AI-free alternatives, and heated debates over the ethics of playing a game developed with just a little bit of generative AI. A few streamers who were set to pick up the game even cancelled their streams after finding out it was made with AI

...

For the most part, though, players seem generally okay with Librarian’s AI usage. Plenty of people are still playing it. The game’s reviews are still ranked as “Very Positive” on Steam (a few praise the gameplay while casually disapproving of its AI-enhanced content). Even Aftermath, which sells shirts that say “DESTROY AI,” published some favorable words about it.

I’ve had trouble reckoning with this game myself. As a Tiny Bookshop devotee and a former real-life bookseller, Librarian is right up my alley! I would love to play it, and it seems like a great game. I’ve admittedly jumped over to its Steam page a few times and considered buying it, but I’ve ultimately held off. It just feels so difficult for me to justify playing anything made with generative AI—if Librarian continues to do well without replacing its AI assets, other devs in the cozy sphere might take the game’s success as a green light to kick their own AI use up a notch.

Librarian’s use of AI is especially puzzling to me because, if the Steam page really does disclose all of its AI use, it would be incredibly easy for the devs to replace those AI assets (just one UI component and three landscape paintings). Even just stock images, barebones programmer art, or MS Paint drawings that say “placeholder” in Comic Sans would be a step up!

By Ash Parrish

Some of the shine has already come off of Crystal Dynamics’ upcoming Tomb Raider reboot. During PlayStation’s recent State of Play presentation, the studio showed off a new trailer for Tomb Raider: Legacy of Atlantis. It’s been looking pretty great with its fancy Unreal Engine 5 makeover. But buried on the game’s Steam page, fans have now discovered an AI disclosure message stating that the controversial tech was used early on in the game’s development.

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While the Legacy of Atlantis disclosure states that anything made by gen-AI was “refined” by humans, that’s not enough to stop some fans from checking out of the game entirely. Thankfully, if you’re just looking for a remake of the original Tomb Raider without pesky AI mucking it all up, there’s always 2007’s Tomb Raider: Anniversary.

The comments for both articles have some chud trolls asking why they should care or saying people need to get used to the new normal, so stay safe if you click through.

[Ethan]

There’s one caveat with this game, though, and it’s buried at the veeeeery bottom of its Steam page: its developers used a bit of generative AI for asset refinement and grammatical corrections.

But buried on the game’s Steam page, fans have now discovered an AI disclosure message stating that the controversial tech was used early on in the game’s development.

Seems like doing a simple CTRL-F or scrolling down a tiny bit is now akin to going on a big tomb raiding adventure.

[Uncle]

it's BURIED

they TRIED TO HIDE IT but they FAILED due to our intensive INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

also if Steam's rules didn't force them to disclose, literally no one would've ever noticed

[benji]

When you visit the page there should be a pop-up that informs you that AI was used and asks if you want to click away to safety. This is the kind of basic human decency that Canada should have been enacting by law.