Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Jansen]

I'm rewatching all the scary movies in order and holy shit I do not remember Kevin Hart being in the third one

[HaughtyFrank]

Maybe that's happening here b/c people don't feel comfortable airing it anywhere else for fear of thread/site bans? or just getting dogpiled by concern trolling bad faith "just wanna grill" type gamers?

The latest assumption is that we just want attention and want to be responded to. It gets to a point where we're tired of being told to ignore everything.

So close to self-awareness

He seems legit unable to understand that his side is actually making that argument

[HaughtyFrank]

To highlight how dumb RE is about AI:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pcgamer-interview-fumito-ueda-on-why-gen-atlas-has-shooting-but-isnt-a-shooter-cool-robots-and-generative-ai.1545130/post-156136291

However, when it comes to our actual work at Gen Design studio, we really only use it in a way that is efficient and effective on the project management side—coming up with schedules or looking up how to best use a new tool we haven't had our full onboarding experience with, or summarizing meeting notes. That's the extent we use it in-house. Everything that is considered game development is made by our own people, made by humans.

No Gen AI used, just office stuff and yet...

So they are using it in some way.. yeah, pretty shitty.

It's a glorified Outlook calendar according to that quote. It doesn't touch their creative output in any way

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Then they should just fucking use outlook calendar. Any use of LLM shit is a problem. The ai companies pushing this 'tech' are ruining the environment, taking our information without consent, spreading mass misinformation, and giving that power to governments. We can not accept it at any level

While it's nice that he is apparently not using it in development, using it at all still fucking sucks

You don't need to use genAI for project management, standard tools are just fine...sigh.

[benji]

Then they should just fucking use outlook calendar. Any use of LLM shit is a problem. The ai companies pushing this 'tech' are ruining the environment, taking our information without consent, spreading mass misinformation, and giving that power to governments. We can not accept it at any level

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-537#post-156140914

[benji]

If only there was some way to differentiate between sexual assault and those other things. Alas.

edit: They're essentially saying that if you can't be perfect in their ideal you might as well just be a rapist anyway.

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/june-8-2026-crazy-taxi-world-tour-lead-says-generative-ai-will-continue-to-be-a-‘hot-topic-’-but-they’re-using-it-anyway.1545076/

Good for him in owning it. I dunno how necessary is for generating concept and background art if you are just gonna “polish” them anyway, but hey, I’m not a video game producer with decades of experience.  

Most of ERa isn’t either.

Never underestimate Era's disdain for game developers.

[benji]

Never underestimate Era's disdain for game developers.

You're saying you don't have disdain for people who would rather commit mass murder than just use Outlook Calendar? (Not that they should be helping Microsoft fund genocide.)

[Jansen]

This part sticks out to me because it's true, but it reminds me of a character that exists in P4 and how her treatment never made sense to me (even accounting for Japan's, imo, weird Christmas-cake mentality).



There's a plotline in P4 revolving around one of the teachers, Kashiwagi, who is overtly sexual (be it in 'subtle' dialogue or her desperation, particularly when paired with her sidekick, Hanako) and it's established that the class doesn't really like her. While there are obvious reasons why her conduct is inappropriate, the way the game frames her through the lens of the cast always bugged me because, in my eyes, it never made sense.



I was 15-16 when I first played the game and I thought she was super hot, as she was designed to be be, but the characters, uncharacteristically in my eyes, absolutely hated her and thought she was ugly. The character that I found the most overt OOC with this lens was Yosuke, resident horndog degen. Despite him actively attempting to basically sexually harass / assault the other girls in his own friend group, the game also tries to act like he's disgusted by Kashiwagi when it seems like he would absolutely eat up the opportunity, especially since the game goes out of its way to put them directly IN this situation.



The way this ties into your post more directly is your mention of Persona 5 and 2 particular contexts that that adds to this era of writing retroactively, that being the incel behavior of the antagonists and the existence of the dateable teacher social link.



With the former, it makes sense that Yosuke, as an incel, could be repelled by Kashiwagi for a number of misogynistic reasons, what with her being above a certain age and the fact that she's more sexually aggressive than is 'socially acceptable'. With the latter, it puts the idea that her suggestive advances towards everyone, but mainly her students (and her competition with the younger girls) isn't the issue that they're committed to addressing. Even in P4, the line is skirted with the Nurse social Link, but having a fully dateable adult woman where the only difference between her and Kashiwagi is that in P5, Kawakami is explicitly in the subservient / submissive role in the relationship (complete with you having to save her to boot) seems more like a trend than a coincidence.



With P3 also doing this with 'Maya', they're 3 for 3 with making sure that there's an illicit, sex-adjacent (at best) relationship with an adult woman in every game, as long as the woman is also 'under' the MC in some way. While the game will pay lip service to the fact that teachers and students of this age range absolutely should not be having these kinds of relationships at all, the games still go out of their way to include these relationships in the game to, as you noted, appease that specific power fantasy. A real 'cake and eat it' scenario that they'r
e not forced to indulge.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-538#post-156144880

[Jansen]

Constructive

Outcome of this: People who are excited for sexualised minor game get to talk about it in peace while ignoring people with concerns



They don't deserve to be called pedos, but they deserve to be questioned for enjoying it. If that is somehow more of an issue than watching that trailer and wanting to play it, then I can live with it.

[Let's Cyber]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-538#post-156143359

EDIT: Removed my post cause I hadn't read the rest of the thread yet and would rather not get banned for bringing that discussion back up.

"I'll bravely speak truth to power but only when it doesn't put my video game forum account in jeopardy. "

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/june-8-2026-crazy-taxi-world-tour-lead-says-generative-ai-will-continue-to-be-a-%E2%80%98hot-topic-%E2%80%99-but-they%E2%80%99re-using-it-anyway.1545076/page-4 
 
uh oh, a favorite streamer of Era is showing his whole ass. 
 

Yeah, I dunno about that Max. I know we all have some blind spots but naw. 

"If I don't have to see the diarrhea, I can pretend it's not there!"

 

Unfortunate take - given his reaction to the DLSS5 stuff - but not a surprising one; pretty sure he's a CT fan.

 

It's going to be real interesting what Max does when/if fighting games start using ai undeniably

 

He was also pulling the "it's fine as long it was just for coding or placeholders" card.

Not surprising.

  
 

Maximilian Doof.

 

Not a great look tbh

maybe they can bully him into an acceptable position like the grubb guy

[BananaBlast]

Pretty sure that's a character from Disgea.

Pretty sure one of the main characters from that franchise is a fucking half-naked demon loli that looks far younger than Evie.

GTFO hypocritical shithead 

[Jansen]

Constructive 

You cant force users to engage with you. so functionally this is baiting people into doing something that gets them a ban or you simply get ignored. we really dont have the power to change people the way some seem to think we have.

You can't force people to engage with you but this forum has a history of a multitude of topics having people come in and try to just ignore someone trying to call out some bullshit.



After Cyberpunk it was very clear that it was an intentional way of just trying to bury the criticism, and it's only really grown since then since it's seen as an acceptable tactic.



THAT is the issue: it's not bannable because it's such a grey zone and you cannot tell who is being a douche and who is just not reading the room.



This is seen with basically every problematic work, and also with AI threads.

👀

End of the day people here want to enjoy problematic content in peace and not be called out on it or made to feel uncomfortable.



Status quo, as someone else said.

It would be one thing if it was "just" (It's not possible for me to put enough quotation marks around that as I want so I won't bother) a sexualised character clearly based on a minor.



Even if they changed the face, shift up are still an incredibly toxic studio, run by a bigot, that harassed female members of their staff for "being feminists", and that makes problematic content aimed at some of the worst people in the gaming community, who rally around it as an anti-woke game and talk about it in the same way a lot of people on this site talk about it.



"But what about the gameplay" is such a dogshit fucking take in the face of all that

[Besticus Maximus]

Max Dood has been heading for a really stupid cancelling for some time now, but I thought it would be something to do with getting his knob out

[Let's Cyber]

Max Dood has been heading for a really stupid cancelling for some time now, but I thought it would be something to do with getting his knob out

spill the tea, girlfriend.

[benji]

Is it really that hard to just have threads about the problems with games instead of letting trolls dismiss concerns by celebrating them?

[DavidCroquet]

Postamilian Hog

[benji]

Really, instead of likes they should have a visible counter of how often a post has been reported. Then if the user doesn't return to address the concerns that have been raised (or addresses them insufficiently) they're instant banned. We're long past the point of the benefit of the doubt there. They know exactly what they're doing.

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[benji]

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[kaleidoscopium]

Maybe introduce a voting system, if a game should be banned give it a thumbs up. If not give it a thumbs down. Easy right?

[benji]

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In case anyone was doubting that he actually looks like that.

[simiansmarts]

now that's a face that screams "i'm an ally, you're safe with me ladies"

[simiansmarts]

Looking like all these 40+ year old fucks are fine with AI cuz it's Crazy Taxi/The Offspring, ugh:

 
 
millennial on millennial violence!!!
 


tbh this crazy taxi AI controversy may just be Sega's way of marketing the game, it keeps it in conversation.

[Boredfrom]

Unfortunate take - given his reaction to the DLSS5 stuff - but not a surprising one; pretty sure he's a CT fan.

 

I mean, one was a company outright promoting an AI filter as a feature while the other is a game using AI to, presumably, speed the creation process.

[benji]

I didn't click on that Tupac thread, are they all in line with Android Sophia that no one who has ever lived should ever be depicted in media after they die? So no historical figures at all in anything?

[Jansen]

Seriously who is the person in that picture that you guys keep posting

Nvm Google lens ftw

[Boredfrom]

Seriously who is the person in that picture that you guys keep posting

ConVitto

[simiansmarts]

the why women thread is really getting their panties in a twist over persona. it's a real shame that the RE's favorite animu high school dating sim RPG is so problematic towards women. 

[Jansen]

AI already figured it out for me. I'll have to live with my decision for the rest of my days