Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

Obviously I was not talking about consent from inanimate photos. If that was what you mean by “anyone that produced information contained in those photos”, sorry, I misunderstood.

That is the only thing the discussion is even about. Anti-AI people want you to have to receive consent for any information you may have received from any source anywhere. The guy doesn't care that Sonic Team did not do this for their extraordinarily expensive reference photos he's praising but he demands it of AI. He doesn't care about the fact that Sonic Team used reference photos to do their art in the first place, yet he demands a prohibition on this in the case of AI.

This is exactly what I mean by the conclusion first, argument second, evidence third. None of these people have ever raised objections to the same exact situation with everything else. But because they need to reach the pre-determined conclusion that AI is bad they need to find evidence for this and so are making insane demands. Their stated preferences may be about AI but their revealed preferences are of far greater concern. They are not carrying their "solutions" to the obvious second order effects.

They literally argue constantly for a monopoly on information. You're under the impression, as you keep saying, that I'm pro-AI or an AI evangelical when I am indifferent to it. It is merely a tool to me, same as any other. I have little to no interest in what Uncle or the Italian speak about regarding their capabilities. But I am strongly anti-anti-AI because these people clearly want to deny access to information unless they deem you in the elite caste worthy of it. (Nepenthe especially argues for a denial to information and capability unless you "put in the work" as determined by a higher order first. Nepenthe not be a fervent reactionary challenge: impossible.) They have not raised any ethical complaints except a presumption that one can monopolize information simply because one self-identifies as the most worthy originator of it. A literal denial of history.

In your kerfuffle with Potato the main objection you outlined is that copyright is funky around it. (It's not in the US until our wise rulers fuck it up, which they are certain to attempt.) But this is not, to me, a legitimate complaint because I am anti-IP. I don't believe Sony should be allowed to monopolize the brilliance of the Concord IP for the next century plus simply because men with guns will threaten people with violence if anyone else wishes to spread this anti-fascist lore and philosophy to the masses. The anti-AI people do want to deny others the chance to experience Concord, they're just too ignorant to know this is what they're arguing for when they blindly focus on what they hate because they seem religiously committed to never look past the immediate.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I love that somebody with a Guilty Gear avatar tries to guilt trip other about sexualization.  

Guilty Gear is the series with the big titty samurai and femboy with a yoyo that made so many little Liliths discover they were transbians. It's progressive ya see!!  

Bridget is child coded and should be removed from the game. Dizzy was literally  THREE when introduced in GGX but everyone is fine with Ky grooming them?

[benji]

Ree is fine about Bridget being groomed into being a girl.

Bridget is child coded and should be removed from the game. Dizzy was literally  THREE when introduced in GGX but everyone is fine with Ky grooming them?

Oh, look, the transphobes are out with their one joke.

[Uncle]

Maybe one day the autisty minds of benji and uncle will stop engaging pedofrom and no longer shit up our esteemed thread. Today is not that day.

[benji]

Maybe one day the autisty minds of benji and uncle will stop engaging pedofrom and no longer shit up our esteemed thread. Today is not that day.

anarcho-autisty minds

[Uncle]

I have little to no interest in what Uncle or the Italian speak about regarding their capabilities.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Ree is fine about Bridget being groomed into being a girl.

Bridget is child coded and should be removed from the game. Dizzy was literally  THREE when introduced in GGX but everyone is fine with Ky grooming them?

Oh, look, the transphobes are out with their one joke.

Sorry, marrec's transphobic infected me 

[Daffy Duck]

I sat and tried to write a comprehensive post about my feelings on the SB2 debacle in the Community Discussion thread but I honestly couldn't do it in a way that was actually constructive and not just... angry. So I bailed on that.

It's very frustrating. I hate how this forum can be a boys club sometimes and I'm starting to think it'll never change.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-538#post-156155503

ResetEra a boys club? Hahahaha nah these people aren’t real

[Averon]

In the constructive thread, they now think there are potentially multiple "Black Chambers" on ERA:

[Daffy Duck]

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I love how we're over eight fucking years into this forum and they're still doing "I GUESS THIS PLACE ISN'T AS PROGRESSIVE AS I THOUGHT, THINKING ABOUT CLOSING MY ACCOUNT."

When over all that time not a single person has ever once cared that anyone has left and nobody even brings up anyone who has left. Just these nebulous groups that have supposedly left in droves but are somehow always posting like TransEra. Even forum legends like Fat4all get like two days of posting in a couple threads before everyone just moves on and nobody ever mentions him ever again. Ketkat murdered thousands and nobody's even mentioned him ever again, his "girlfriend" Robin still posts on the forum to talk about pooping on the floor and blaming others yet nobody ever asks "how's Ketkat? Have they considered coming back to save lives again?" Nope. Just erased from the canon like Enzom or Kirblar or hundreds of other "prominent members."

These people all have one single method, throwing a tantrum and expecting everyone else to immediately try to appease them. Half the time they don't even bother throwing around their stat bumps from the progressive stack. Just stamp your feet, get aggressive, insult people and expect them to grovel for your forgiveness. The more passive aggressive you get and make your threats in places where only people who will go to look for them is just more proof of how horrible things are for you. The entire forum should be knowing my personal complaints and taking up arms in my name or else they're showing their whole ass and wow, don't you feel bad that I don't respect you anymore? The staff especially should be seeing my posts and knowing what I'm on about and making clear what they plan to do about it. If not, well, they're just making clear how I'M NOT WANTED. And they'll really regret it if I actually do leave, laying awake staring into the night sky with their dark thoughts.

They scream about incels and chuds but this is seriously abuser shit and they all do it constantly to gain the slightest advantage over others. (When they aren't being overtly dismissive of others.)

They act like a spoiled kid being told "No" for the first time in their life. Then, they weaponize their identity (trans, women, minority, etc...) to guilt-trip and bully the mods and users to let them have their way. To be honest, I don't even blame them for trying that since B-Dumbs has shown time and time again to eventually acquiesce to their demands. 

These are "adults" with the mentality of children, and B-Dumbs spoiled them rotten.

No surprises when the majority of the userbase admit to having some form autism/ADHD/ whatever other self diagnosed mental disorder really, these are aren’t well adjusted individuals dubs is dealing with

[Propagandhim]

I have little to no interest in what Uncle or the Italian speak about regarding their capabilities.

this is insane

[wsippel]

someday most of them will be forced into being apathetic about AI because it'll be in 95% of products, much like how no one can possibly be arsed to care about things like whether the developers used Photoshop, and they'll just be performatively angry all the time but will enjoy those movies, books and games anyway

and you'll try to criticize them for enjoying AI and they'll say "um chuddie I live in a society too and even though my iphone is made through slave labor I'm still allowed to criticize the use of slave labor, I get to do whatever I want and pretend I'm not hypocritical because of the soothing salve of mr. gotcha"

 

While I don’t think AI is going away… the token maxing and server cost seems to indicate is not going to be widespread in creative fields outside office stuff.

In creative fields, large companies in particular will most likely run their own models locally when possible. Gives you way more control and access to more powerful tools. Also, there’s no such thing as token maxxing diffusion models (image, video and audio generators) to begin with.

[Uncle]

In the constructive thread, they now think there are potentially multiple "Black Chambers" on ERA:

this is like one of my japanese animes

"sir, look at the scanner..."

"my god, is that...multiple black chambers...they're breaching containment, infiltrating all our systems..."

CHUDWAVE: BLACK CHAMBER CRISIS

[Besticus Maximus]

New anime idea. Trans girl is magically transformed into a gigachad pussymagnet when she accidentally plays Stellar Blade.

[jooseloose]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-direct-announced-for-2026-06-09-at-2-pm-utc-7-am-pdt-10-am-edt-11-pm-jst-50-minutes-with-a-95-minute-treehouse-live-right-after.1544536/post-156165103

I don't know how credible the sources for OoT and Super Metroid remake really are, but I just know that it makes me angry that Nintendo would even dare to touch these pretty much perfect games. For me it's a huge sacrilege and yes.... I know that's all irrational and the originals will always coexist. But man, sometimes I allow myself to embrace this sort of irrationality.

I just see a value in a collective popculture and knowing that these both games could get replaced by some remakes in the mind's of a future generation, when they think of Oot and Super Metroid just hurts.

[normalindividual]

Can't wait until the MOBA AI Algorithm based solely on posts from era controls all creative output.

[Jansen]

Questioned for "enjoying it" is essentially the same thing and you know it. It's just a not terribly clever way of calling them a pedophile without using the word. So no, you don't get to interrogate or question people or shame them for playing a video game.

You shouldn't make such broad statements like this because just giving blanket immunity to video games would be an enormous loophole for criminals to exploit.



The criticism isn't that people are wanting to play a video game, the issue is that this is a third person action game where the camera is constantly on the clearly underage hypersexualized character. At no point in this game can you forget this fact, at no point can you not be reminded of what she is and what the dev is doing, there's no room for "well I didn't realize that" or "I just ignored it".

And as I said in another thread: even if you change the face to a 90 year old woman, the body isn't going to change and is still going to be a reminder that someone designed that body + suit combo for a young girl to wear. Even if they age her up just that thought makes my skin crawl.



And that's not even getting into 600 year old dragon bullshit.

And the nice thing is that if someone claims it's too much work...good. Mission accomplished.



Leave the thread to someone who will do it properly. Maybe we don't need an instant reaction thread and to do free marketing with no ounce of putting a thought to the gross bullshit present in the work itself.



To be honest it's something I wish was mandatory in threads that deal with these kinds of issues, even the MS ones and the like.



Would we get another Black Chamber? Maybe, but at least but at least the bullshit is acknowledged and no one can come in, post in the thread and say "I didn't know"



But yea, sensitive threads or pieces of work that are innately problematic should probably have some form of "you can't make a thread on it without proper framing" kind of thing.

There's still a bunch of articles up covering the incident, but they're from chud websites defending Shift Up and making fun of the "feminists" employees who were fired. The accusation came from the employees themselves.



We also know the studio supported Korean chuds over the perceived "small penis" gesture thing, so we know the kind of groups they're throwing their lot in with.



And now with this "yeah we did it on purpose shit", I don't know how anyone can still give the CEO the benefit of the doubt. He's a fucking shithead of a chud.

And the nice thing is that if someone claims it's too much work...good. Mission accomplished.



Leave the thread to someone who will do it properly. Maybe we don't need an instant reaction thread and to do free marketing with no ounce of putting a thought to the gross bullshit present in the work itself.



To be honest it's something I wish was mandatory in threads that deal with these kinds of issues, even the MS ones and the like.



Would we get another Black Chamber? Maybe, but at least but at least the bullshit is acknowledged and no one can come in, post in the thread and say "I didn't know"



But yea, sensitive threads or pieces of work that are innately problematic should probably have some form of "you can't make a thread on it without proper framing" kind of thing.

Hell, I already see some potential Black Chambers around.

Yeah I did the rounds on YouTube and watched loads of reactions and it was crazy how many people just didn't even notice or didn't comment on it.

Lot of female streamers celebrated the game as well and did have some positive remarks on the design btw. "Damn girl", "Looking good" etc.



Weird world.

Lot of female streamers celebrated the game as well and did have some positive remarks on the design btw. "Damn girl", "Looking good" etc.



Weird world.

Yeah from watching a lot of reactions on YouTube, ,all the woman except for one showed a lot of hype for it. The one woman YouTuber out of many that even bought up that she looked too young was Emiru.



For the rest of the woman's reaction I watched, not only did they not even bring up the age but they were also hyped for it and the suit mode didn't even come close to disgusting them. Anyone can easily just go on YouTube and type in these reaction video and see lots of woman being very hyped for the game.



Which goes back to one of my original point is that many many people either do not even mention or notice or even the ones that noticed still like the game because they aren't playing for pedo reasons not even close. And there's not even confirmation that this is even a pedo game in the first place because while she does indeed seem underage to me in the beginning when she's hiding by the soda machine, her later shots in the trailer when she's in her suit does look like someone that can be a young adult. So I'm not sure but if it's the lightning or a different render or a time skip in the story etc effecting the beginning to make her look younger than her white suit version.

It's not a weird world, it's a bleak one when sexualizing a child character is met with indifference.



We're at a point where it's so common that some people don't even notice it, and others don't care as long as it looks fun…



That's exactly the problem.



It's even more depressing when we're living at a time where so much child abuse us being exposed all around the world. France is currently facing hundreds of cases being reported, from school to nurseries and extracurricular activities. It's also been revealed that there are currently 70k reports of aggressions on minors that need to be examined by the justice.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/25/massive-child-abuse-scandal-in-france-as-school-staff-investigated-for-violence-and-sexual-assault



https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260608-french-justice-system-on-trial-as-nation-rages-at-failure-to-prevent-schoolgirl-lyhanna-murder



This is also true for many other countries, Switzerland, the UK, Ireland, the US, Australia, and that's not even counting countries where it's way harder for victims to come forward. Where Institutions fail. Or where victims stay silent for years. And when some do speak, they're either not heard, but sometimes even called liars.



So trivializing the sexualization of children is crazy to me. How can anyone be ok with this, when we have so many issues related to child abuse to fix? What kind of message are we sending to both victims and current or future perpetrators when we say it's ok for media to do it as long as it's fun?



« But you can simply ignore the thread », isn't it precisely because we're constantly ignoring these issues that we have so many children being abused around the world? I'm obviously not saying SB2 is the only one to blame, but it's part of the problem.



The sexualization of child characters should never be acceptable, and media that sexualizes minors should not be tolerated.

It's not a weird world, it's a bleak one when sexualizing a child character is met with indifference.



We're at a point where it's so common that some people don't even notice it, and others don't care as long as it looks fun…



That's exactly the problem.



It's even more depressing when we're living at a time where so much child abuse us being exposed all around the world. France is currently facing hundreds of cases being reported, from school to nurseries and extracurricular activities. It's also been revealed that there are currently 70k reports of aggressions on minors that need to be examined by the justice.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/25/massive-child-abuse-scandal-in-france-as-school-staff-investigated-for-violence-and-sexual-assault



https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260608-french-justice-system-on-trial-as-nation-rages-at-failure-to-prevent-schoolgirl-lyhanna-murder



This is also true for many other countries, Switzerland, the UK, Ireland, the US, Australia, and that's not even counting countries where it's way harder for victims to come forward. Where Institutions fail. Or where victims stay silent for years. And when some do speak, they're either not heard, but sometimes even called liars.



So trivializing the sexualization of children is crazy to me. How can anyone be ok with this, when we have so many issues related to child abuse to fix? What kind of message are we sending to both victims and current or future perpetrators when we say it's ok for media to do it as long as it's fun?



« But you can simply ignore the thread », isn't it precisely because we're constantly ignoring these issues that we have so many children being abused around the world? I'm obviously not saying SB2 is the only one to blame, but it's part of the problem.



The sexualization of child characters should never be acceptable, and media that sexualizes minors should not be tolerated.

Okay, but then suggest what we SHOULD do. Banning the game on Era is just a mandatory ignore and doesn't prevent anyone from playing the game and also closes the door for criticism of the game.



Like, I'm really frustrated by the framing of "press the ignore button" as "oh so you don't want to do anything against the sexualization of minors?!" as if removing all discussion of the game out of your sight on a system-level accomplishes anything more besides a symbolic gesture of the mods.



Allowing discussion of the game allows you to criticize the game, report people who are minimizing sexualizing of minors so they get banned, and if any chuds try to slick about it, hit them with the ignore button so you don't get stuck in conversations with a troll.



Fuck, everything on Era has to be a "you're either wit
h us or against us" thing while 99% of people agree on the problem and just suggest different approaches to deal with it.

Okay account created in 2022 😉

[Besticus Maximus]

Well, if you want your game look like generic crap just ask AI. There's a ton of porn games that use AI for art and they all look exactly the same. Great job Sega, these are your peers now!

'it looks like my porn' is definitely the new thing this season

[Boredfrom]

someday most of them will be forced into being apathetic about AI because it'll be in 95% of products, much like how no one can possibly be arsed to care about things like whether the developers used Photoshop, and they'll just be performatively angry all the time but will enjoy those movies, books and games anyway

and you'll try to criticize them for enjoying AI and they'll say "um chuddie I live in a society too and even though my iphone is made through slave labor I'm still allowed to criticize the use of slave labor, I get to do whatever I want and pretend I'm not hypocritical because of the soothing salve of mr. gotcha"

 

While I don’t think AI is going away… the token maxing and server cost seems to indicate is not going to be widespread in creative fields outside office stuff.

In creative fields, large companies in particular will most likely run their own models locally when possible. Gives you way more control and access to more powerful tools. 

That would be the ideal… to bad right know has been just “using the ai from big companies because fuck it”.

[Boredfrom]

I sat and tried to write a comprehensive post about my feelings on the SB2 debacle in the Community Discussion thread but I honestly couldn't do it in a way that was actually constructive and not just... angry. So I bailed on that.

It's very frustrating. I hate how this forum can be a boys club sometimes and I'm starting to think it'll never change.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-538#post-156155503

ResetEra a boys club? Hahahaha nah these people aren’t real

Is a boy’s club… if you know what I mean. 

[benji]

From now on, I'm dismissing any opinion about video games that doesn't cite French crime statistics.

[wsippel]

That would be the ideal… to bad right know has been just “using the ai from big companies because fuck it”.

It's not, though. Many developers don't want to disclose their workflows, but Ubisoft for example not only trains purpose-built in-house models and develops AI tooling, they even released some of it to the public: https://blog.comfy.org/p/ubisoft-open-sources-the-chord-model 

And I've seen several job listings for AI engineers from studios - they're mostly looking for people with SimpleTuner experience, who can finetune models and create LoRAs. That's local AI stuff.

[Uncle]

you have to do things internally because in the case of things like video game IP, if you use a service to generate your prototype art and characters, the service already has access to all that

their terms might say that you own everything you make with it, but just by nature of the tech you are granting them a license to store it on their server (so it can be served to you) and probably to train on it

they can see everything you're doing in advance, and you're also subject to all their terms of service and automated systems that might ban you for making something as sexualized as stellar blade or as bloody and violent as doom

or maybe you've been generating along in a specific style and then suddenly the service retires model 4.5 and tells you that you have to use the new model, and the new one is different and loses the specific vibe you were working with before, and you can't quite get it back

or even as simple as they suddenly raise prices and your 60% done project now can't be afforded to be finished

when it comes to art where consistency of style is important, a service you don't maintain yourself or cannot be consistently relied on is pure liability

[Boredfrom]

It's not, though.

It’s been for the bigger controversies that sour the enthusiasm in the technology for the general public. 

We had a viral article about an AI animated series using Midjourney. Or some idiots at marketing using it to touch up promotional images already done for promotions and collaborations. 

That was I was referring too. Sorry I didn’t specify.

[Besticus Maximus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/not-feel-left-out-from-the-ai-controversy-surrounding-capcom-and-sega-riot-games-goes-out-way-to-hire-for-their-head-of-experiential-ai-department.1545457/

They're just doxing randos for getting jobs now

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/not-feel-left-out-from-the-ai-controversy-surrounding-capcom-and-sega-riot-games-goes-out-way-to-hire-for-their-head-of-experiential-ai-department.1545457/

They're just doxing randos for getting jobs now

Is stupid but it doesn’t sound is taking off:

Thats nowhere near the top of ethical concerns at riot over the past decade sadly - I think they've learned any and all backlash they get is basically nonexistent as their games are glorified money printers.

 

Our brave freedom fighters. Not having the energy to do slacktivism with doxxing. 

[Boredfrom]

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you have to do things internally because in the case of things like video game IP, if you use a service to generate your prototype art and characters, the service already has access to all that

their terms might say that you own everything you make with it, but just by nature of the tech you are granting them a license to store it on their server (so it can be served to you) and probably to train on it

they can see everything you're doing in advance, and you're also subject to all their terms of service and automated systems that might ban you for making something as sexualized as stellar blade or as bloody and violent as doom

or maybe you've been generating along in a specific style and then suddenly the service retires model 4.5 and tells you that you have to use the new model, and the new one is different and loses the specific vibe you were working with before, and you can't quite get it back

or even as simple as they suddenly raise prices and your 60% done project now can't be afforded to be finished

when it comes to art where consistency of style is important, a service you don't maintain yourself or cannot be consistently relied on is pure liability

More talk like this, pls. Your enthusiasm is actually palpable. Almost feels like you could empathize with artists.

Less talk about “lol I’m gonna laugh when every corpo uses AI and the heretics become numb”.

But I am strongly anti-anti-AI because these people clearly want to deny access to information unless they deem you in the elite caste worthy of it

Yeah, I noticed.

(Not saying this to pick on you or cherry pick to win an argument. Just saying I noticed the sentiment).

[Potato]

now that's a face that screams "i'm an ally, you're safe with me ladies kiddies"

FTFY

[Potato]

between SB and AI stuff, this is all fundamentally the same as years past with denying themselves hogwarts and whatever else is the flavor of the day, just dialed up to 11

it's all about going out of their way to find reasons to deny themselves fun, like willingly and intentionally, just because apparently it's more fun to play the social game of standing on a hill saying "look what a good boy am I, not playing the problematic game"



which just contributes further to the madness and the psychosis, as they can't find anything fun or interesting to do that isn't evil somehow, OR they enjoy it anyway in secret and harbor the stress of never being found out for their sins and crimes

they only allow themselves to play shit like Dustborn or Goodbye Volcano High or Mixtape and are forced to praise it even though it sucks because again, you have to play the social game

just an absolute recipe for dissatisfied, lonely derangement

The fact that most of them played it anyway after being *gifted* a copy is the best part

[Nintex]

The gap in the AI market is the locally ran LLM but there are technical challenges mostly related to hardware that are difficult to fix until 2027 - 2028 and staffing issues.

Most companies want their own LLM with access to their own data and their own interface which is easy enough for workers to use and a hotline to have a AI engineer/operator fix prompts or other things on site. But the people who can install/prompt LLMs that well will not be interested in doing that and so far the compute/data centers required are way too expensive for small companies to buy themselves.

Plus big tech like Microsoft/Google is pushing cloud model subscriptions so even if your LLM is running locally you'll still have to hook it up to Office 365 or whatever and the data ends up in the cloud anyway.