Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Boredfrom]

If only I could use this information against them on reeee

reminds me of that one burka brigade user who had a horny fanart cammy pfp and got threadbanned as soon as someone exposed him

It’s the same dude. He just changed his user name.

[jimmys13]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-a-video-game-still-be-considered-art-if-the-developers-use-gen-ai-to-automate-the-creative-process.1548916/

If the coward included a poll, the results would not match the replies at all.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

what happened to all the gifts and go money. 

whole situation is sad, kid threw his life away while taking another.

[Boredfrom]

Bombs... Push Israeli deal... Bombs... Push Israeli deal... Get fed up have another deal made... Israel calls... Bombs Lebanon for good measure... US backtracks and cancels that deal... Bombs... Push Israeli deal again...

"We're reaching a deal".


Israel's War indeed. US has really become a proxy state. Congrats.

That or they just share the same mindset and then play theater to the rest of the world.

[Jansen]

I know Trump won't do it but maybe the next president will give him a pardon since it wasn't premeditated.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-7#post-156352630

[HaughtyFrank]

I know Trump won't do it but maybe the next president will give him a pardon since it wasn't premeditated.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-7#post-156352630

Again, a million other black people in jail more deserving of a pardon on the account that they didn't stab someone to death

[benji]

I know Trump won't do it but maybe the next president will give him a pardon since it wasn't premeditated.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-7#post-156352630

They're state charges, not federal ones. The President cannot pardon them.

The whites are still not getting it:

I mean you're doing the exact same thing again. Assuming the very worst of people and twisting the actual points they're making into something insidious. You didn't even debate any of the actual points I made. You just manipulated what I said to go after low hanging fruit. How you can't see how this exact behaviour is making discussion here more and more toxic is beyond me.

The reverse racism accusation is laughable. You know that wasn't the point I was making since I agree with most of what you're saying. My point is that you're reading a post from someone who you don't know anything about where they call someone who stabbed a kid a psycho and you somehow infer that they're a massive racist, rather than the more likely scenario that they'd also think a white person stabbing someone is also a psycho. Making sweeping, extreme and hateful judgements about complete strangers based on basically nothing is clearly wrong. Villainising people who are pretty much aligned with you on the most important issues by assuming the worst of them is wrong.

And then weaponising me agreeing with you that as a white person I may have unconscious biases and twisting it into the worst possible interpretation of what I said is incredibly insulting. And yes, I think I'm a good person overall but that's irrelevant - my point was that you don't really know any of the people you're making these widespread judgements about. And ending it with "you'll be OK" is so ridiculously dismissive when you have no idea what shit I've been through, same as I don't know the shit you've dealt with that shapes who you are.

I don't know why me basically saying we shouldn't blindly assume the worst of people on a forum we all share is so controversial.

I'm not assuming anyone here is a massive racist (aside from the one guy that got permed) and indeed I do my best to just speak frankly. If I wanted to call you a Nazi or something, I would've just called you a Nazi.

I do think Era has anti-Black biases for a whole host of reasons, that those biases show up in discussions such as this one without any introspection on part of participants in the conversation, that they're visible for all to see and not mere assumptions as you keep dismissing them as, hence why multiple Black people in this thread have pointed them out, and that those biases being called out is not either completely irrational or a direct accusation of conscious hatred.

And again, the further you dig your heels and insist that having a negative overview of the biases present within the conversation is a real problem, that I'm charging people with being massive bigots when that's an assumption borne from the defensiveness and outrage on your part, that your personal life and good intentions are at all relevant to anything I'm talking about, the more you ironically keep proving my point.

[Venice]

All joking aside, the dead boy's father failed his sons. He is seeing things clearly now(says all he feels now is rage, which is the correct response) but in the past he raised his kids to believe all the colorblind do-gooderness worldview nonsense. If he had raised his son in something other than do gooder fantasy land his son would have been much more likely to avoid altercations with dangerous strangers. It's a real tragedy and I feel really bad for the kid who died and his family. At least the jury and judge got it right with the verdict and sentencing.

You know you've catastrophically fucked up with a post when not even Taco Bell Tower or HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth liked your comment 






Pro-tip: We're not an actual Nazi forum.

We're a let's-laugh-at-ResetEra's-dumb-takes forum.

[simiansmarts]

I know Trump won't do it but maybe the next president will give him a pardon since it wasn't premeditated.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-7#post-156352630

Again, a million other black people in jail more deserving of a pardon on the account that they didn't stab someone to death

I think this Karmelo Anthony racial tension situation is a psy op being facilitated by malicious actors on social media. 
 
It helps me sleep at night, okay.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-a-video-game-still-be-considered-art-if-the-developers-use-gen-ai-to-automate-the-creative-process.1548916/

All the "no" responses are incredible. Where's Nepenthe to condemn all the people saying something loses its status of art as soon as one piece doesn't use a process you like?

No. It's cheating let alone the fact it literally isn't an expression of a human.

Anything can be art. Nobody I've heard talking positively about AI sounds like anyone that would be capable of creating art, however. They're uniformly incurious people with nothing interesting to say. They inspire no confidence that they would be good stewards for any sort of resonant creation. And they're untrustworthy, seeming to primarily spin up AI and mislead people until called out. And if you can't trust motive, it's difficult to even allow whatever they've made to move you.

Anything can be art, even if it's not a particularly *good* art, so long as its made with purpose.

AI does not fulfill the latter requirement.

Art requires human intent. LLM AI cannot have that. It has no reasoning, no intent, no soul.

Sure, it's just no longer their art it's the people's who they stole it from.

Is stolen art still art?

And it doesn't matter if the adoption is increasing. It just means more people are ok with art theft. If somebody is not creating artwork, then it's not art. Theft and plagiarism should never be given legitimacy.

It's arguably a form of plagiarism...from a certain point of view.

It severely dilutes any merit of being art in any medium, if you can still call it one.

Any integrity, if it still has one, is lesser than even plagiarized works tbh.

The only time that AI is art, is that it is a constant reminder of what art is, by being a shining example of what art isn't.

That said if you used AI/LLM's in your game, I'm just not buying it because it was created with stolen assets from someone else or someone lost/missed on a job because this tool exists.

No. A. I. has no human experience. Everything it spits out was stolen and fed to it and is just regurgitated.

So I'll go against the grain and say that it IS art, but not in the way genAI supporters believe.

The medium and context in which a piece was created matters just as much as the piece itself. Art that was generated from an amalgamation of other human artists, pumped out for the sake of saving money in order to MAKE money, made to imitate without understanding and with barely any input from the "creator" is it's own commentary. But the people generating art this way aren't interested in having that kind of conversation about a piece, they just want to sell you garbage. (And ruin the environment.)

So in a vacuum, it's art, but the people creating it aren't artists, they aren't interested in making art, and they actively hate art. So it's art that isn't worth creating.

No, I only know that genAI cannot create art because it doesn't think about anything other than draining lakes and stealing work from real human creativity.

It can't explain why it made XYZ choices or create anything that's never been seen before because it relies on tons of stolen work for its data sets and even then it's not enough that now it's eating itself alive based on fake genAI info and pics.

No. It's like putting a droplet of poison in a glass of water and still calling the substance, water.

If it contains gen AI, then any copyright and ownership over said work should be voided as it's not original work. Like the only use case would be if it was a model solely trained on your stuff, and even then there's a whole bunch of grey area.

Whether it's ultimately art or not becomes wholly irrelevant if it was build using a machine that engages in thievery.

No. Art has a deliberateness with intent, messaging, and execution. AI has none of that.

I'd love to hear a single one of these people explain how it's stolen or plagiarism. 

No, but publishers and most developers don't care about that distinction, so I'll give them one they should care about. Games that use generative AI during production aren't considered eligible for first hand purchase.

You want my money? No generative AI. That's the deal. Your call.

 

For Uncle:

Is there any evidence that AI can actually make anything substantial that's not trash without heavy human manipulation?

I meant generate something worthwhile. A lot of the AI talk assumes the technology is actually capable of producing a quality product if you didn't know the source when in reality, all it produces is veneer and bloat.

This moron unintentionally made the point that the only answer to the thread is "yes" in his stupidity:

Is there any evidence that AI can actually make anything substantial that's not trash without heavy human manipulation?

Not even trash, AI can't "make" anything in the first place.

 

Someone more eloquently than I here brought up the best point about AI conceptualizing and it should end any of this debate. (Kudos to you, I forget who it was):

Researching and using source material provides you with factual and useful information to form your own ideas. (Think cultural reasons for armor and clothing colors, materials and structure etc)

Using AI for vibes will just lead to errors and faux pas but it looked cooler than anything you could have come up with so you use it and sell it.

"Well a true artist could then go in and make changes based on their own research after getting an idea!"

So if I ask everyone in my town to run every faucet and crank up their heat to charge up my idea generator only to just do the normal work I would have done afterwards anyway, that's cool?

That's legit all this is.

Should have been killed before it got to here.

 

No. Full stop. We literally can't give AI bros an inch, because they will continue to take more every time.

In my opinion, using this stuff at the concept phase is even more objectionable than using it for final assets. The concept phase is where you craft intent and iterate, and figure out what is worth your players' time. The final is the result of all that creative intent. Just prompting until the computer shows you something to make is allowing it to lead your process.

To answer for my own studio, we're making a comedy game. Part of the thing that makes visual puns and sight gags funny is knowing that real people spent time and effort creating something stupid. So in our case, we're not touching gen AI tools, not even for code, and definitely not for placeholders or concepts. I don't think all uses of these tools are bad, but they're not appropriate for us.

Really giving customers their monies worth in their previous games with literally tens of minutes of gameplay:

Patola [Linux]
0.6 hrs
Posted: September 27, 2025
I can't in good faith really recommend this game. It has a 20-minute gameplay and no replayability at all. The graphics are bad, the interactions are not tactile, the puzzles are average. This should be a free game.

Besides that, there's absolutely no reason why this game should be in VR -- it benefits nothing from that and restricts its audience to 1/50th of what could have been.

osted: June 23, 2018
Very short but enjoyable game. As it is a sequenced puzzle game once you know what items to use, they will never change.
So it has zero replayability. Be warned, you will get about 45mins of gameplay with no reason to play again.

Posted: April 5, 2016
Product refunded
I thought I was going to really like this game. Turns out it is literally only 2 levels long and only has 2 different kinds of enemies. 3 if you account the two types of gnomes. I beat it 100% in 30 minutes.

Posted: July 21, 2024
let me get the cons out of the way. its crazy short, like 30 min. The optional collectibles are in plain sight and a bit too easy to find. Feels like a demo and only two enemy types.

[Polident]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-7#post-156352630

Again, a million other black people in jail more deserving of a pardon on the account that they didn't stab someone to death

I think this Karmelo Anthony racial tension situation is a psy op being facilitated by malicious actors on social media. 
 
It helps me sleep at night, okay.

Have you tried melatonin

[TylenolJones]

And closed :(

If we're to the point that racist conservative videos are being posted, the plot has been lost. This thread is locked.

At least they finally figured out OP was just trolling for stupid posts.

[benji]

Why are you watching a Nazi's YouTube channel?

What are the things in this Nazi's video that you agree with?

How did you even know this video existed?

But I'd invite you guys to give it a watch and judge for yourselves, and let us know whether you agree or disagree on his take.

And who is "us?"

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/karmelo-anthony-case.1548097/page-7#post-156352921

[simiansmarts]

Why are you watching a Nazi's YouTube channel?

What are the things in this Nazi's video that you agree with?

How did you even know this video existed?

But I'd invite you guys to give it a watch and judge for yourselves, and let us know whether you agree or disagree on his take.

And who is "us?"

maybe they had plural pronouns! every thought about that!?

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-blood-rain-shiftup-ceo-hyung-tae-kim-to-ign-yes-she-is-younger-shes-smaller-in-size.1547899/page-11#post-156351733

Gamers are REALLY weird[ISPOILER]racist[/ISPOILER] about asian women

[Let's Cyber]

Let's say I'm an indie dev and I draw the texture for a rock in my video game. I need a placeholder texture for my cliffsides, so then stretch that rock texture and Ctrl + V all over the cliffside. It looks like shit and I need something closer to my imagined final element just to get a feel for the environment, so I use AI to get a better approximation for my end-goal cliffside texture.  

Would the video game as a whole suddenly lose the essence of its "art"-iness because AI was used to save me a little time and assist me when the end user would have no idea AI was used to begin with?

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-blood-rain-shiftup-ceo-hyung-tae-kim-to-ign-yes-she-is-younger-shes-smaller-in-size.1547899/page-11#post-156351733

Gamers are REALLY weird[ISPOILER]racist[/ISPOILER] about asian women

I remember when actual Korean American Gene Park wrote review of Stellar Blade, touching upon Koreas different beauty standards and they got mad at him

[benji]

Let's say I'm an indie dev and I draw the texture for a rock in my video game. I need a placeholder texture for my cliffsides, so then stretch that rock texture and Ctrl + V all over the cliffside. It looks like shit and I need something closer to my imagined final element just to get a feel for the environment, so I use AI to get a better approximation for my end-goal cliffside texture.  

Would the video game as a whole suddenly lose the essence of its "art"-iness because AI was used to save me a little time and assist me when the end user would have no idea AI was used to begin with?

You don't get it, chud, stretching and ctrl+V is something done with human intent while generating a texture from STOLEN GOODS and placing it is not.

[Uncle]

Reading the Wikipedia article, it sounds more like social media in general being awful in this case.

Pretty much. The father of the victim said race was not a factor and pushed back against those trying to stoke racial tensions with this case but social media is a hellscape of psychos and bad actors trying to sow as much discord as possible to line their pockets so what're you gonna do. 
 

I remembered this post and yeah uh

(no need to watch all this)

Bereaved father Jeff Metcalf, father of slain teen Austin Metcalf, blasted the parents of his son’s murderer Karmelo Anthony, slamming them for failing to properly raise their son, as a court-imposed gag order was lifted following Anthony’s trial.

“I’ve been disrespected by so many people so many times while I’ve had to sit here and take it,” he continued. “You are grifters. You should be ashamed of yourself. You raised that child and I swear to God, CPS should come check on those other three that you still have.”

The grieving dad also referenced the time he was kicked out of a press conference held by Anthony’s parents and accused of stirring racial division, saying he was trying to bridge the racial gap.

“You never once admitted or took accountability. You tried to play victim. The real victim is the one who died, not the one who shoved a knife in his chest,” he said. “I come to pray with you and show the world we can close the gap of this unbelievable racial divide. And what did you do? You widened the gap even further. You people hang your hat on the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen.”

Metcalf proceeded to invent a racial slur for Karmelo to play into the racist trope, saying, “Let me make something racist up so y’all can go viral. I got a new name for Melo, okay? Because he was such this little boy y’all was trying to portray. How about ‘Watermelon Felon’? How’s that one strike you?”

The Metcalf family patriarch added that his son’s murder and subsequent happenings have altered his outlook on society, citing the term “black fatigue.”

“From day one I said this was never about race. Please don’t make it about race and don’t politicize it. And what did you do? You chose both. The race card. Black fatigue. It’s real. I’m sorry. You have embarrassed your own culture and race,” he said.

[Uncle]

This moron unintentionally made the point that the only answer to the thread is "yes" in his stupidity:

Is there any evidence that AI can actually make anything substantial that's not trash without heavy human manipulation?

Not even trash, AI can't "make" anything in the first place.

 

they can never figure out attribution, it's whatever reflects worst on the user or the AI model itself at any given time

if "AI doesn't make anything," but surely something was made because here it is sitting in front of you where it didn't exist before, then I guess the person using AI made it? but they don't want to allow for that interpretation either, because it ascribes human intent behind something "AI-made"

what if someone makes something horrifically racist with AI? where does responsibility lie? did AI make it so the person who prompted it is blameless? or do we hold the person responsible? or are they saying neither AI nor the person made it, because everything "made with AI" came from its training data, so really all the creators who were stolen from made the horrifically racist content?

[Boredfrom]

Reading the Wikipedia article, it sounds more like social media in general being awful in this case.

Pretty much. The father of the victim said race was not a factor and pushed back against those trying to stoke racial tensions with this case but social media is a hellscape of psychos and bad actors trying to sow as much discord as possible to line their pockets so what're you gonna do. 
 

I remembered this post and yeah uh

(no need to watch all this)

Bereaved father Jeff Metcalf, father of slain teen Austin Metcalf, blasted the parents of his son’s murderer Karmelo Anthony, slamming them for failing to properly raise their son, as a court-imposed gag order was lifted following Anthony’s trial.

“I’ve been disrespected by so many people so many times while I’ve had to sit here and take it,” he continued. “You are grifters. You should be ashamed of yourself. You raised that child and I swear to God, CPS should come check on those other three that you still have.”

The grieving dad also referenced the time he was kicked out of a press conference held by Anthony’s parents and accused of stirring racial division, saying he was trying to bridge the racial gap.

“You never once admitted or took accountability. You tried to play victim. The real victim is the one who died, not the one who shoved a knife in his chest,” he said. “I come to pray with you and show the world we can close the gap of this unbelievable racial divide. And what did you do? You widened the gap even further. You people hang your hat on the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen.”

Metcalf proceeded to invent a racial slur for Karmelo to play into the racist trope, saying, “Let me make something racist up so y’all can go viral. I got a new name for Melo, okay? Because he was such this little boy y’all was trying to portray. How about ‘Watermelon Felon’? How’s that one strike you?”

The Metcalf family patriarch added that his son’s murder and subsequent happenings have altered his outlook on society, citing the term “black fatigue.”

“From day one I said this was never about race. Please don’t make it about race and don’t politicize it. And what did you do? You chose both. The race card. Black fatigue. It’s real. I’m sorry. You have embarrassed your own culture and race,” he said.

I get how he feels but may as well scream at the sea to stop weaves and get mad because it keeps doing it.  karmelo’s parents are more interested in helping their son to not get his life totally ruined and playing the race card seems to be the desperate gambit, and I cannot totally blame them either.  

Neither side  of the shit stirrers and grifters look good. And people at social media encourage this rather than mend the gap.

Ex: This post would get me a ban at RE only for saying that I get the desperation of Metcalf or that Karmelo’s parents are probably betting that a racial bias defense is the only way to save their son.

[simiansmarts]

Reading the Wikipedia article, it sounds more like social media in general being awful in this case.

Pretty much. The father of the victim said race was not a factor and pushed back against those trying to stoke racial tensions with this case but social media is a hellscape of psychos and bad actors trying to sow as much discord as possible to line their pockets so what're you gonna do. 
 

I remembered this post and yeah uh

(no need to watch all this)

Bereaved father Jeff Metcalf, father of slain teen Austin Metcalf, blasted the parents of his son’s murderer Karmelo Anthony, slamming them for failing to properly raise their son, as a court-imposed gag order was lifted following Anthony’s trial.

“I’ve been disrespected by so many people so many times while I’ve had to sit here and take it,” he continued. “You are grifters. You should be ashamed of yourself. You raised that child and I swear to God, CPS should come check on those other three that you still have.”

The grieving dad also referenced the time he was kicked out of a press conference held by Anthony’s parents and accused of stirring racial division, saying he was trying to bridge the racial gap.

“You never once admitted or took accountability. You tried to play victim. The real victim is the one who died, not the one who shoved a knife in his chest,” he said. “I come to pray with you and show the world we can close the gap of this unbelievable racial divide. And what did you do? You widened the gap even further. You people hang your hat on the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen.”

Metcalf proceeded to invent a racial slur for Karmelo to play into the racist trope, saying, “Let me make something racist up so y’all can go viral. I got a new name for Melo, okay? Because he was such this little boy y’all was trying to portray. How about ‘Watermelon Felon’? How’s that one strike you?”

The Metcalf family patriarch added that his son’s murder and subsequent happenings have altered his outlook on society, citing the term “black fatigue.”

“From day one I said this was never about race. Please don’t make it about race and don’t politicize it. And what did you do? You chose both. The race card. Black fatigue. It’s real. I’m sorry. You have embarrassed your own culture and race,” he said.

Well for a certain point in time he pushed back on the racial tensions! That’s gotta count for something…

[Boredfrom]

And closed :(

If we're to the point that racist conservative videos are being posted, the plot has been lost. This thread is locked.

At least they finally figured out OP was just trolling for stupid posts.

Dude made it obvious at the end.  

Whatever the video had a decent point or not… he knows how BCT talks about black conservatives. 

I swear everyone at ERA is becoming nuttier, even the not woke people.

[simiansmarts]

I get how he feels but may as well scream at the sea to stop weaves and get mad because it keeps doing it.  karmelo’s parents are more interested in helping their son to not get his life totally ruined and playing the race card seems to be the desperate gambit, and I cannot totally blame them either.  

Neither side  of the shit stirrers and grifters look good. And people at social media encourage this rather than mend the gap.

Ex: This post would get me a ban at RE only for saying that I get the desperation of Metcalf or that Karmelo’s parents are probably betting that a racial bias defense is the only way to save their son.

Exactly, having a highly publicized murder trial like this in the age of social media coverage where the worst people imaginable have a financial incentive to the stoke racial animus as much as possible is only going to end in disaster and make the process of grieving and closure worse.

[Potato]

Look man, when we the last time you stabbed someone in the chest but didn't intend to kill them? I do that every day and get away with it because I'm white.

that's because you're privileged

Hey man, I never touched another man in that way in my life...except that one time in Mexico.

[simiansmarts]

In less depressing news, the SB thread has devolved into users shadowboxing chuds because anyone remotely argumentative to the topic has been successfully scared off/purged 
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-blood-rain-shiftup-ceo-hyung-tae-kim-to-ign-yes-she-is-younger-shes-smaller-in-size.1547899/page-10#post-156314602 
   

I'm not saying this is acceptable but I thought the argument was Asians look younger than their age?

The "Asians look young" argument is simply a way to excuse it as they could have simply designed this character to have a very young looking face whilst not also giving her an overly sexualised woman's body. There'd be no reason to even question it but they've done this deliberately and going by interviews, without shame.
Not to mention the argument is generalising an entire race.

 

Yeah the fetishization and infantilization are deeply racist. They are viewed as small, physically weak, submissive, domesticated, soft spoken, subservient, childlike, and stupid. A lot of men think feminism made western women too woke to where they won't date losers anymore so they look to east asian and southeast asian women to fulfill their fantasies of having a partner they can dominate and abuse

 

Even if you want to argue that Asian people look younger, the fact that he combined that with making her smaller should set off alarm bells. The intention then becomes very clear.

 

"this ethnicity look more like teenagers, also im into that" is a crazy defense.

The classic "making up someone to get mad at" strat when the outrage thread starts crawling to a stop 

If you want to ruin your own day, you can look up some of the Stellar Blade outfits and imagine Evie wearing (in Hyung-Tae's words) "more appealing" versions of said outfits.

 
 

"hey guys...look up some stellar blade outfits and imagine the new character wearing them heheh...how gross...heheh....amirite...so gross..." 

[Potato]

there are some straight BANGERS being posted in the why women thread after the successful stellar blade honeypot 
  
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-540#post-156286045

Again, i want to say that while its great that mods were quick on the trigger with the ban in the latest thread, the bulk of the bad actors will come from more general threads like trailer threads, thats where it's easy to hide and have plausible deniability, i hope no one gets the impression today that the job's done and the situation regarding SB is resolved

 
the work never ends. the honeypots will continue until every last molecule of potential chuddery is eradicated.  

Yeah, people who don't give a shit about the sexualization of a very young looking character will not go into a thread about that. When we get more gameplay trailers or whatever, that's when the real problems are gonna start.

 

The lead up to, and release of, Stellar Blade was one of the most frustrating times on this forum for me. Not that the problems it highlighted within the gaming community and industry at large were new, in fact they're basically ancient at this point, but it just so starkly put into focus how many people just don't give a single shit about these issues.

2's reveal is less than a week old and I'm already losing my mind. The sheer indifference to the problems that the devs themselves are touting as a fucking plus is appalling.

 

You're right, it's not a new problem but these games certainly highlight the ambient temperature of this forum or even gamers in general. It's super frustrating because right now that thread is going and will be an echo chamber of people saying how gross it is because the usual suspects are just avoiding it for now, but when there is a new trailer or preview or review thread bet your ass we'll see the "hype" all over again and the problems will be ignored and will become normalized and the next one will be even worse.

 
But I thought that's what they wanted??? People are too afraid to say anything positive about the game in fear of getting sniped while everyone else is performatively tut tutting to virtue signal they're an ally. Even if they successfully get Stellar Blade on the banned content list like Hogwarts Legacy, people will just move on to the next game that's deemed problematic and express their interest/excitement and we do the same song and dance. 

I wonder if they're gonna make excuses for Dead or Alive 7 to avoid this scrutiny because it's a series they grew up with (so it doesn't count as a chud game) whereas Stellar Blade is a new IP designed exclusively for chuds in their mind.

This is a game and thread that can be easily ignored if they don't like the content. Cunts.

[simiansmarts]

This is a game and thread that can be easily ignored if they don't like the content. Cunts.

They already had a back and forth argument in the constructive thread about why ignoring threads about this particular game wasn't viable

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"You're allowed to complain/criticize all you want, regardless of the thread, even the OT, but just don't call fellow users 'pedophiles'." is a really low bar to clear. And honestly it's a bar most people do clear.
Given some of the feedback I've been seeing online, I can't see them not aging Eve's look before release. If they don't, they deserve all the grief they're going to get.

It is but as we have seen with the discussion last week not everyone clears it.
Now trying to frame the general statement of "don't insult people" as trying to get minorities to shut up is the perfect example of the much talked communication problems we have talked about countless times in this thread. The nuance between criticism and insults has completely merged for some users here.
People should think about whether this "you're either with us or you're the worst person imaginable" will actually achieve the results they hope for.
I couldn't even care less about stellar blade. Never played it but the discussion around it lays bare the same communication issues that has plagued this forum for some time.

It is but as we have seen with the discussion last week not everyone clears it.
Now trying to frame the general statement of "don't insult people" as trying to get minorities to shut up is the perfect example of the much talked communication problems we have talked about countless times in this thread. The nuance between criticism and insults has completely merged for some users here.
People should think about whether this "you're either with us or you're the worst person imaginable" will actually achieve the results they hope for.
I couldn't even care less about stellar blade. Never played it but the discussion around it lays bare the same communication issues that has plagued this forum for some ti
me.

Well said.
And people that just want to discuss Stellar Blade Blood Rain were never the aggressor, we simply just want to discuss the game. The trailer looks amazing, the city was just next level, and I'm sure there would be more and more fans for it as they start showing more towards the year, showing more gameplay, more story, more locations etc. But most of the fans will also understand that she does look young for a young adult and is open to criticism.
While on the other hand the folks who dislike Stellar Blade Blood Rain are demanding it to be banned while they already have the option to thread ignore or simply not go into the thread. And as mentioned before there are games being allowed that have actual teens with sexualized content like Persona 5, and others and those are allowed which is a step even above Evie in Stellar Blade blood rain who is just a young adult that happens to look too young which I do agree with and I'm sure many fans also agree.
Now this does not mean persona 5 fans or other games like that are pedo not even close because as mentioned before the game offered so much more just like Stellar Blade Blood Rain offers so much more.

I mean people should be free to voice their criticisms in those threads. It's just if your criticism consists of insulting users it's better to ignore those threads because in the end you're only getting yourself banned

Agreed as I said the ones who dislike the game already have multiple options like being able to freely voice their opinion/criticism whenever they want. Hell some fans will even agree or understand some of their criticisms. So they can go into the thread to do this whenever they want.
And then they also have the option to not go into the thread if they choose to and even another option to outright ignore thread if they also want that.
They just gonna at least not cross the line which is insulting fans of the game in unprovoked scenarios.

The phrase "You give an inch, people take a mile" is coming to mind right now.

It's frustrating because there feels like a circling of the wagons around this game, despite evidence showing intent.
The casual dismissal of it is what's really mindblowing. "But I like the punches and you're harshing my vibe."

It is but as we have seen with the discussion last week not everyone clears it.
Now trying to frame the general statement of "don't insult people" as trying to get minorities to shut up is the perfect example of the much talked communication problems we have talked about countless times in this thread. The nuance between criticism and insults has completely merged for some users here.
People should think about whether this "you're either with us or you're the worst person imaginable" will actually achieve the results they hope for.
I couldn't even care less about stellar blade. Never played it but the discussion around it lays bare the same communication issues that has plagued this forum for some time.

It's genuinely exhausting. I'm personally glad to see SB2 getting deserved criticism here, but I'm getting beyond sick and tired of how comfortable some people seem to have gotten with calling people pedos, or in some cases, being racist/orientalist. I'm grateful to the mods being on top of actioning instances of these, but once again, people feel comfortable saying them to begin with, which is the issue.
And it feels like the waters are being increasingly muddied when people rightfully feel like minorities are being told to "shut up" or keep criticism to select threads, which I believe IS certainly the implication I'm feeling from some users. But there's a world of difference between criticising a game and its devs, and straight up accusing people of being pedos. To be frank, as someone who has experienced abuse in childhood, it feels like it trivialises its severity, and redirects focus away from the actual issue (the fact the playable character of SB2 looks like an overtly sexualised 12 year old), to taking swipes at complete randos. That's not to say I want to see people being openly gross about the game either, but generalised "if you play this, you're a pedo" is absolutely not okay, regardless of how you feel about the game.
Honestly though, I don't think this is something that can be "fixed", because some people are going to continue to feel comfortable accusing people of horrible shit, but then calling that out also sometimes makes the actual bigots and those using "civility" as a guise feel emboldened, so... Like, I want a community that feels comfortable to criticise things like SB2, and push back on those handwaving those criticisms away, but I also draw my line in the sand when people start flinging insults and accusatio
ns wildly, though that line seems to just been completely blurred here a lot of the time now.

 

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Even if you want to argue that Asian people look younger, the fact that he combined that with making her smaller should set off alarm bells. The intention then becomes very clear.

Smaller? Like maybe 5-3?