Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

Some of the anti-gun stuff with superheroes is pretty funny if you take it even remotely seriously. Like Batman's excuse is kind of weird when he uses all kinds of stuff that could clearly kill or cripple people let alone blowing up property. But that's okay because those things didn't kill his parents!

[Greatness Gone]

If y’all spent more time reading theory instead of typing out paragraphs of meaningless bullshit, the bire would be a better place  

DO

THE

FUCKING

WORK

[Uncle]

oh god this is page 1388

you know, the 13 words, and all that

[benji]

If y’all spent more time reading theory instead of typing out paragraphs of meaningless bullshit, the bire would be a better place  

Whites love writing down shit instead of sitting around discussing theory as a community.

[BIONIC]

If y’all spent more time reading theory instead of typing out paragraphs of meaningless bullshit, the bire would be a better place  

DO

THE

FUCKING

WORK

In addition: shutting the fuck up is free

[NekoFever]

For background: I was born 1991, as a biological male.

Check out this chud dog whistle

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

lack of cum posting is disturbing

[DavidCroquet]

To be fair, she willingly joined the imperialist Air Force and has never worked to abolish it so she might gun down people just to sate her bloodthirst for brown bodies. But still, she'd need to have ammo and to reload, unlike her energy blasts that could just vaporize them like Gaza. No, this feels like something that has been discussed and debunked years ago.

The KRON 4 tv interviewer lady???

[benji]

The KRON 4 tv interviewer lady???

How do you think she got all her hats? https://marinmagazine.com/people/hats-on/

[Uncle]

I have an issue with the idea of being an equalizer or democratizing art, mind you. I would admit that there is a lot of AI made stuff that is not slop or have effort put into it. But when people say “democratizing” is generally tech bro talk to justify making shit.

AI as a democratizer is meant as "makes certain things more accessible to more people"

the most common argument against AI as democratizer is "but you could already do art, you can just pick up a pencil, AI didn't suddenly allow people to do art who couldn't before"

you have to look at it like this: cars democratized travel

it is true that people could walk anywhere they wanted already, but the effect of the car was to allow many more people to travel much more quickly, much further than before, cheaply, and without the complications of horse maintenance or whatever; you lose the fun of smelling every flower along the way, but most people want to reach the destination to accomplish what they really wanted to do

likewise, AI allows many more people to create things much more quickly, at a higher quality level, cheaply; you lose the journey of learning to create everything manually, but most people want to reach the destination to accomplish what they really wanted to do

I live in a Western nation, I have no delusion that I'm a poor downtrodden pauper being uplifted by AI, but I have personally benefited from the democratization of art and code

I used to make video games, minor simple ones, text-based stuff or the equivalent of demos, but I've done it less and less because I get home from work tired and I just want to relax and play video games and read forums

AI was directly responsible for me seeing a path to actually making something again without compromising the rest of my life, I made an actual video game, higher quality than anything I'd ever made before

it was for a game jam that explicitly allowed the use of AI, one week to make a game, and I did it, generated sprites locally and cleaned them up a lot manually, used suno for music, used claude to code the whole thing, troubleshooted and debugged

very little I would say was canned or invented fully by the AI, for example when I wanted an explosion animation I said I want a particle system that uses this flame sprite I already made, and 20 particles start out large and in the center and travel outward in arcs in random directions over the course of 1 second, decreasing in size and fading out in alpha to 0, and if it didn't look as I envisioned it I told the AI how I wanted it changed, I controlled every detail of the game this way

in the end it was very much my game from my mind, and plenty of people left feedback on things they didn't like about it...none of it was about AI, all of it was due to my own design decisions, because I wanted to make an old school game with traditional mechanics and people were looking more for "wow" factor and inventiveness, but it was still the game I wanted to make and I went in understanding it might not be popular

ultimately though I was ranked in about 20th place out of over 100 entries so not bad at all, and this wouldn't have happened at all if not for AI, and I will probably make more things in the future, maybe even the vaunted personal Steam game I actually sell 🙏

that's what is meant by democratization, a tired guy can make a video game after work by themselves now, which is awesome, if you have cool ideas you want to share with others

[Orange Juice Box]

Yeah that other thread is a doozy.
Without calling anyone out directly, people are bringing half baked excuses that have been discussed and debunked years ago.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/post-157929301

"I don't think bikini's are a big deal"

"DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN DEBUNKED YEARS AGO?"

They have been so insular for so long without anyone questioning any of their statements.  They have been conditioned to find hearsay in the most minute and innocuous places that it's laughable to an outsider.  Nobody can point out how unhealthy their thinking has become.  It's like cases of a family that is full of lunatics that abuses the one member of the family that is normal and sends them to therapy.  




Imagine if the Munsters were all bitter alcoholics and took it out on Marilyn.

[D3RANG3D]

Just give it a few years because I'm sure Hollywood would be more than willing to run another franchise into the ground...

[Besticus Maximus]

Propagandhim effort posts 

[benji]

AI as a democratizer is meant as "makes certain things more accessible to more people"

the most common argument against AI as democratizer is "but you could already do art, you can just pick up a pencil, AI didn't suddenly allow people to do art who couldn't before"

you have to look at it like this: cars democratized travel

it is true that people could walk anywhere they wanted already, but the effect of the car was to allow many more people to travel much more quickly, much further than before, cheaply, and without the complications of horse maintenance or whatever; you lose the fun of smelling every flower along the way, but most people want to reach the destination to accomplish what they really wanted to do

A more apt example is the democratization of information: instead of studying and reading academic books until mastery, people just read a single sentence of Wikipedia.

And let's not get started on the ongoing pernicious effects of everyone and anyone becoming literate instead of simply trusting scholars in a monastery.

[DavidCroquet]

When is Propogandhim gonna let us play Nepenthe, Shut Up and Jam Gaiden Rebirth Revival: Apocalypse?

[Besticus Maximus]

We need a long rant from queen nep nep that outlines the correct theory on sonic buttrock

Is it good, is it bad? Do we like it or should we hate it?

We need to know, because that last song in sonic adventure when chaos is like a building monster is causing vast theoretical dilemmas

[nachobro]

the fortnite bikini freakout kinda shows they haven't been paying attention in the first place.  these aren't even the first "bikini" skins this season! theres a battle pass skin, Dylan, that already wears clothes that would give them a heart attack and you can customize it to add/remove stuff like glasses, jacket, headphones, change colors etc:

https://fortnite.gg/cosmetics?id=23173

[benji]

We need a long rant from queen nep nep that outlines the correct theory on sonic buttrock

Is it good, is it bad? Do we like it or should we hate it?

We need to know, because that last song in sonic adventure when chaos is like a building monster is causing vast theoretical dilemmas

[D3RANG3D]

the fortnite bikini freakout kinda shows they haven't been paying attention in the first place.  these aren't even the first "bikini" skins this season! theres a battle pass skin, Dylan, that already wears clothes that would give them a heart attack and you can customize it to add/remove stuff like glasses, jacket, headphones, change colors etc:

https://fortnite.gg/cosmetics?id=23173

[Uncle]

she gets old and starts sagging, "grandma why did you tattoo E on your chest"

[benji]

This was in the related and from Nepenthe's Mutual Aid Zone:

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-guess-even-fortnite-is-doing-more-bikini-type-skins-now.1577221/page-5#post-157929184

I just like looking at attractive characters while I play. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Get banned motherfucker

Trans flag pfp so no ban.

[BIONIC]

the fortnite bikini freakout kinda shows they haven't been paying attention in the first place.  these aren't even the first "bikini" skins this season! theres a battle pass skin, Dylan, that already wears clothes that would give them a heart attack and you can customize it to add/remove stuff like glasses, jacket, headphones, change colors etc:

https://fortnite.gg/cosmetics?id=23173

Admitting that you play Fortnite

[BIONIC]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

However, I don't want every woman in video games to be sexy, I don't want "sexy" to be a mandate for women in video games and honestly just kind of sick of the way women are so often objectified and sexualized in video games and I'm sick of the hostile pushback, especially over the past year against any and all criticism.

I guess so that this thread doesn't because an incoherent ramble, I better list my frustrations.

1. I'm sick of the mentality that EVERY woman in video games needs to sexy or attractive that this has to be a mandate, especially in RPGs, Action games, Fighting games etc. This is not a mandate men have in these games where men can be old, fat, large, ugly, scary, but women? Nope, pretty is a must and it's so obvious this negatively affects what women can be in these games. Women can't be old, women can't be too dorky, very rarely can they be muscly or tall, the can never be fat and if their meant to be scary it can only be in sexy scary way like a Succubus or a sexy vampire (can't have women be too monsterous). All women, even if it's a secondary costume or DLC must have a "sexy" revealing costume or a bikini regardless of their characterization, we can't women who are shy or don't like revealing skin oh no no, they must appeal to men. That's not even going into things like how this mentality often results in women's face looking samey or the racism often involved with dark skin and black women who often treated as uglier as pale women and suffer from stuff like whitewashing as seen with Fighting game characters like Vanessa, Lisa Hamilton and Elena.
   
2. I'm sick of the defense of "men are sexualized as well!". I feel like I shouldn't even have to say why this defense is absurd, from the power dynamics, how women characters are leered at by the camera, the different intents involved etc etc.
   
3. I'm sick of the mentality of "fixing" this issue is by making things "equal" aka, just sexualize and objectify the men without actually including more diversity or removing the unfair standards put upon women characters. Again, I feel like I shouldn't have to explain why this is absurd but yet it feels, especially after Marvel Rivals release that I've seen this argument more and more. Like no, that isn't fixing the issue, in fact all you've done is add LESS diversity overall, why would that be a good thing.
   
4. I'm sick of men weaponizing other women against women criticizing objectification and sexualization. The mentality of if another woman doesn't have a problem with it or likes something, you can't criticize; or your hating the other woman. Like no, women aren't a hivemind and we have differing opinions and tolerances. I don't think any woman who likes 2B, Eve or Tifa, the same way I wouldn't want to be called a shit person for liking DarkStalkers Morrigan (or that like being weaponized against other women) are bad people and if it's what they like, all the power to them (especially fellow lesbian, bi and other WLW women, love who you want and don't be ashamed at who you're attracted to), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize how those characters have been treated and objectified or want more or better.
   
5. I'm sick of the hostility lobbied against women who dare criticize the objectification of women or the boy's club attitudes of the game community and fandoms. And to be blunt, no this isn't just an right wing/chud issue, sadly "progressive" space can still have this hostility.
   
6. I'm sick of being made to feel that I'm ugly and unwanted from these discussions. It becomes very clear, that many men and some women really do only want "attractive" women in video games; that if you don't fit what society deems acceptably attractive, you aren't welcomed in video games, aren't deserving or rep outside of MAYBE a minor NPC or background character etc. There was a thread years back that made that loud and clear. Fat women are worthy of being in video games, butch women aren't worthy, masculine looking trans women like me aren't good enough for video games, trans women are only good enough if we pass and look sexy enough in the eyes of men and cis women.
   
7. I'm sick of the boys club mentality of the video game community. It feels like so often if you want to feel welcomed in fandoms as a woman outside of women dominated genres and games, you're expected to "be one of the boys" and be a-okay with everything when men start being gross and immature about women characters (see how Street Fighter fans acted when Mai was launched for Street Fighter 6), shut up and keep any critiques that rock the boat and never expect better or more from video game companies or the community because it's just part of the culture and community doesn't want better. I'm sick of the feeling that I'm not wanted, that I'm a "Killjoy" for wanting some women not sexualized or more body diversity or Cammy wear pants.
   
8. I'm sick of mentality that wanting more body diversity, less objectification or women characters that aren't "sexy" = puritan that hates sexy women. Again, I don't hate sexy women, most women don't hate sexy women. I love many sexy women characters. I love villainesses, I love well-written femme fatales etc. But that isn't all I want, I love Poison Ivy, but I don't want every woman to be Poison Ivy, women should be allowed to be women.
   
9. I'm sick of the hypocrisy of men claiming their sex positive and supportive of women when defending objectified women and heavily sexualized women characters... Up until those women speak and actually have a personality that breaks their power fantasy like having opinions, having feminist viewpoints or being witty and sarcastic. Or then attack women for enjoying these works "wrongly" like drawing fan art or fan fiction, especially WLW fan art or fan fiction (yeah I'm not ignoring the extra hostility WLW characters get).
   
10. I'm sick of feeling hopeless, I'm sick of feeling nothing is ever going to improve. It feels like things are moving backwards and I'm fucking sick of it.
    

I'm just sick of it.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

However, I don't want every woman in video games to be sexy, I don't want "sexy" to be a mandate for women in video games and honestly just kind of sick of the way women are so often objectified and sexualized in video games and I'm sick of the hostile pushback, especially over the past year against any and all criticism.

I guess so that this thread doesn't because an incoherent ramble, I better list my frustrations.

1. I'm sick of the mentality that EVERY woman in video games needs to sexy or attractive that this has to be a mandate, especially in RPGs, Action games, Fighting games etc. This is not a mandate men have in these games where men can be old, fat, large, ugly, scary, but women? Nope, pretty is a must and it's so obvious this negatively affects what women can be in these games. Women can't be old, women can't be too dorky, very rarely can they be muscly or tall, the can never be fat and if their meant to be scary it can only be in sexy scary way like a Succubus or a sexy vampire (can't have women be too monsterous). All women, even if it's a secondary costume or DLC must have a "sexy" revealing costume or a bikini regardless of their characterization, we can't women who are shy or don't like revealing skin oh no no, they must appeal to men. That's not even going into things like how this mentality often results in women's face looking samey or the racism often involved with dark skin and black women who often treated as uglier as pale women and suffer from stuff like whitewashing as seen with Fighting game characters like Vanessa, Lisa Hamilton and Elena.
   
2. I'm sick of the defense of "men are sexualized as well!". I feel like I shouldn't even have to say why this defense is absurd, from the power dynamics, how women characters are leered at by the camera, the different intents involved etc etc.
   
3. I'm sick of the mentality of "fixing" this issue is by making things "equal" aka, just sexualize and objectify the men without actually including more diversity or removing the unfair standards put upon women characters. Again, I feel like I shouldn't have to explain why this is absurd but yet it feels, especially after Marvel Rivals release that I've seen this argument more and more. Like no, that isn't fixing the issue, in fact all you've done is add LESS diversity overall, why would that be a good thing.
   
4. I'm sick of men weaponizing other women against women criticizing objectification and sexualization. The mentality of if another woman doesn't have a problem with it or likes something, you can't criticize; or your hating the other woman. Like no, women aren't a hivemind and we have differing opinions and tolerances. I don't think any woman who likes 2B, Eve or Tifa, the same way I wouldn't want to be called a shit person for liking DarkStalkers Morrigan (or that like being weaponized against other women) are bad people and if it's what they like, all the power to them (especially fellow lesbian, bi and other WLW women, love who you want and don't be ashamed at who you're attracted to), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize how those characters have been treated and objectified or want more or better. 
   
5. I'm sick of the hostility lobbied against women who dare criticize the objectification of women or the boy's club attitudes of the game community and fandoms. And to be blunt, no this isn't just an right wing/chud issue, sadly "progressive" space can still have this hostility.
   
6. I'm sick of being made to feel that I'm ugly and unwanted from these discussions. It becomes very clear, that many men and some women really do only want "attractive" women in video games; that if you don't fit what society deems acceptably attractive, you aren't welcomed in video games, aren't deserving or rep outside of MAYBE a minor NPC or background character etc. There was a thread years back that made that loud and clear. Fat women are worthy of being in video games, butch women aren't worthy, masculine looking trans women like me aren't good enough for video games, trans women are only good enough if we pass and look sexy enough in the eyes of men and cis women.
   
7. I'm sick of the boys club mentality of the video game community. It feels like so often if you want to feel welcomed in fandoms as a woman outside of women dominated genres and games, you're expected to "be one of the boys" and be a-okay with everything when men start being gross and immature about women characters (see how Street Fighter fans acted when Mai was launched for Street Fighter 6), shut up and keep any critiques that rock the boat and never expect better or more from video game companies or the community because it's just part of the culture and community doesn't want better. I'm sick of the feeling that I'm not wanted, that I'm a "Killjoy" for wanting some women not sexualized or more body diversity or Cammy wear pants.
   
8. I'm sick of mentality that wanting more body diversity, less objectification or women characters that aren't "sexy" = puritan that hates sexy women. Again, I don't hate sexy women, most women don't hate sexy women. I love many sexy women characters. I love villainesses, I love well-written femme fatales etc. But that isn't all I want, I love Poison Ivy, but I don't want every woman to be Poison Ivy, women should be allowed to be women.
   
9. I'm sick of the hypocrisy of men claiming their sex positive and supportive of women when defending objectified women and heavily sexualized women characters... Up until those women speak and actually have a personality that breaks their power fantasy like having opinions, having feminist viewpoints or being witty and sarcastic. Or then attack women for enjoying these works "wrongly" like drawing fan art or fan fiction, especially WLW fan art or fan fiction (yeah I'm not ignoring the extra hostility WLW characters get).
   
10. I'm sick of feeling hopeless, I'm sick of feeling nothing is ever going to improve. It feels like things are moving backwards and I'm fucking sick of it.
    

I'm just sick of it.

GBN is right, lack of cum posts
CUM

[Alpacx]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/official-concept-art-for-%E2%80%98avengers-doomsday%E2%80%99-enter-at-your-own-peril.1574980/page-6#post-157807717

I am curious why they don't add history of histories to the ban message. 

If the mods really want Zeo to learn, ban him for two months so he can't make the Spider Man and Latterns OTs that he signed up for.

Jeff Marvel made two pages of posts after that one before getting banned.

Punishment has to be timely for it to be effective B-Dumbs

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/execs-left-confused-and-horrified-by-huge-ai-bills.1573609/page-4#post-157741411

Wait you mean this cocaine is BAD for me???? And it costs HOW MUCH????

Cocaine is not bad for you and prices are declining (while quality has been increasing). Bad analogy.

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-elite-n-y-c-public-school-admitted-777-students-only-3-were-black-62-of-public-school-student-are-black-or-hispanic.1577617/#post-157937182

Miles Morales origin story

[Potato]

I think is funny because it comes from someone whose push in technological advancement, while positive for cinema, became a crutch to make slop (artistic driven slop) in his final works at SW.

But this is the very attack they're not allowed to use. If the point of fighting AI is to protect artists, their "property" and their intent from capital and/or the masses, then you can't level any criticism at Lucas for pursuing his personal vision for his art.

I find it quite amusing the same people who accuse AI of being theft from artists are probably very much the same people who enthusiastically dived into torrenting and consider it their right to view all media for free.

[Jansen]

In a world where a "safe space" to "be one of the boys" is basically the default (let's not pretend it isn't just because SOME of them have started to be called out), I think pushing against it completely is the only way to make any sort of positive change. It will never go away, which is why you have to aim for that. Chuds will always refuse compromise, so you have to push HARD to make even the smallest progress.