Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[nachobro]

Admitting that you play Fortnite

ms gives a free premium sub with gaymepass 

[Boredfrom]

We need a long rant from queen nep nep that outlines the correct theory on sonic buttrock

Is it good, is it bad? Do we like it or should we hate it?

We need to know, because that last song in sonic adventure when chaos is like a building monster is causing vast theoretical dilemmas

Some people like that character.  

Like Waluigi, it became from ironic to non ironic.

[Boredfrom]

I think is funny because it comes from someone whose push in technological advancement, while positive for cinema, became a crutch to make slop (artistic driven slop) in his final works at SW.

But this is the very attack they're not allowed to use. If the point of fighting AI is to protect artists, their "property" and their intent from capital and/or the masses, then you can't level any criticism at Lucas for pursuing his personal vision for his art.

I find it quite amusing the same people who advise AI of being theft from artists are probably very much the same people who enthusiastically succeed into torrenting and consider it their right to view all media for free.

Based.

[Jansen]

Selene from Returnal? Not unattractive per se, but sort of a grandma.



Its been a while since I played but children and generations were a big part of the game and the devs had talked a lot about why Selene is the specific age she is and some of the trauma of motherhood, children, and generations in the game.

Getting roasted rn

[Boredfrom]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

However, I don't want every woman in video games to be sexy, I don't want "sexy" to be a mandate for women in video games and honestly just kind of sick of the way women are so often objectified and sexualized in video games and I'm sick of the hostile pushback, especially over the past year against any and all criticism.

I guess so that this thread doesn't because an incoherent ramble, I better list my frustrations.

1. I'm sick of the mentality that EVERY woman in video games needs to sexy or attractive that this has to be a mandate, especially in RPGs, Action games, Fighting games etc. This is not a mandate men have in these games where men can be old, fat, large, ugly, scary, but women? Nope, pretty is a must and it's so obvious this negatively affects what women can be in these games. Women can't be old, women can't be too dorky, very rarely can they be muscly or tall, the can never be fat and if their meant to be scary it can only be in sexy scary way like a Succubus or a sexy vampire (can't have women be too monsterous). All women, even if it's a secondary costume or DLC must have a "sexy" revealing costume or a bikini regardless of their characterization, we can't women who are shy or don't like revealing skin oh no no, they must appeal to men. That's not even going into things like how this mentality often results in women's face looking samey or the racism often involved with dark skin and black women who often treated as uglier as pale women and suffer from stuff like whitewashing as seen with Fighting game characters like Vanessa, Lisa Hamilton and Elena.
   
2. I'm sick of the defense of "men are sexualized as well!". I feel like I shouldn't even have to say why this defense is absurd, from the power dynamics, how women characters are leered at by the camera, the different intents involved etc etc.
   
3. I'm sick of the mentality of "fixing" this issue is by making things "equal" aka, just sexualize and objectify the men without actually including more diversity or removing the unfair standards put upon women characters. Again, I feel like I shouldn't have to explain why this is absurd but yet it feels, especially after Marvel Rivals release that I've seen this argument more and more. Like no, that isn't fixing the issue, in fact all you've done is add LESS diversity overall, why would that be a good thing.
   
4. I'm sick of men weaponizing other women against women criticizing objectification and sexualization. The mentality of if another woman doesn't have a problem with it or likes something, you can't criticize; or your hating the other woman. Like no, women aren't a hivemind and we have differing opinions and tolerances. I don't think any woman who likes 2B, Eve or Tifa, the same way I wouldn't want to be called a shit person for liking DarkStalkers Morrigan (or that like being weaponized against other women) are bad people and if it's what they like, all the power to them (especially fellow lesbian, bi and other WLW women, love who you want and don't be ashamed at who you're attracted to), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize how those characters have been treated and objectified or want more or better. 
   
5. I'm sick of the hostility lobbied against women who dare criticize the objectification of women or the boy's club attitudes of the game community and fandoms. And to be blunt, no this isn't just an right wing/chud issue, sadly "progressive" space can still have this hostility.
   
6. I'm sick of being made to feel that I'm ugly and unwanted from these discussions. It becomes very clear, that many men and some women really do only want "attractive" women in video games; that if you don't fit what society deems acceptably attractive, you aren't welcomed in video games, aren't deserving or rep outside of MAYBE a minor NPC or background character etc. There was a thread years back that made that loud and clear. Fat women are worthy of being in video games, butch women aren't worthy, masculine looking trans women like me aren't good enough for video games, trans women are only good enough if we pass and look sexy enough in the eyes of men and cis women.
   
7. I'm sick of the boys club mentality of the video game community. It feels like so often if you want to feel welcomed in fandoms as a woman outside of women dominated genres and games, you're expected to "be one of the boys" and be a-okay with everything when men start being gross and immature about women characters (see how Street Fighter fans acted when Mai was launched for Street Fighter 6), shut up and keep any critiques that rock the boat and never expect better or more from video game companies or the community because it's just part of the culture and community doesn't want better. I'm sick of the feeling that I'm not wanted, that I'm a "Killjoy" for wanting some women not sexualized or more body diversity or Cammy wear pants.
   
8. I'm sick of mentality that wanting more body diversity, less objectification or women characters that aren't "sexy" = puritan that hates sexy women. Again, I don't hate sexy women, most women don't hate sexy women. I love many sexy women characters. I love villainesses, I love well-written femme fatales etc. But that isn't all I want, I love Poison Ivy, but I don't want every woman to be Poison Ivy, women should be allowed to be women.
   
9. I'm sick of the hypocrisy of men claiming their sex positive and supportive of women when defending objectified women and heavily sexualized women characters... Up until those women speak and actually have a personality that breaks their power fantasy like having opinions, having feminist viewpoints or being witty and sarcastic. Or then attack women for enjoying these works "wrongly" like drawing fan art or fan fiction, especially WLW fan art or fan fiction (yeah I'm not ignoring the extra hostility WLW characters get).
   
10. I'm sick of feeling hopeless, I'm sick of feeling nothing is ever going to improve. It feels like things are moving backwards and I'm fucking sick of it.
    

I'm just sick of it.

I like how Echoes start his rant anti objectification with him objectifying women… again.

[Averon]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

However, I don't want every woman in video games to be sexy, I don't want "sexy" to be a mandate for women in video games and honestly just kind of sick of the way women are so often objectified and sexualized in video games and I'm sick of the hostile pushback, especially over the past year against any and all criticism.

I guess so that this thread doesn't because an incoherent ramble, I better list my frustrations.

1. I'm sick of the mentality that EVERY woman in video games needs to sexy or attractive that this has to be a mandate, especially in RPGs, Action games, Fighting games etc. This is not a mandate men have in these games where men can be old, fat, large, ugly, scary, but women? Nope, pretty is a must and it's so obvious this negatively affects what women can be in these games. Women can't be old, women can't be too dorky, very rarely can they be muscly or tall, the can never be fat and if their meant to be scary it can only be in sexy scary way like a Succubus or a sexy vampire (can't have women be too monsterous). All women, even if it's a secondary costume or DLC must have a "sexy" revealing costume or a bikini regardless of their characterization, we can't women who are shy or don't like revealing skin oh no no, they must appeal to men. That's not even going into things like how this mentality often results in women's face looking samey or the racism often involved with dark skin and black women who often treated as uglier as pale women and suffer from stuff like whitewashing as seen with Fighting game characters like Vanessa, Lisa Hamilton and Elena.
   
2. I'm sick of the defense of "men are sexualized as well!". I feel like I shouldn't even have to say why this defense is absurd, from the power dynamics, how women characters are leered at by the camera, the different intents involved etc etc.
   
3. I'm sick of the mentality of "fixing" this issue is by making things "equal" aka, just sexualize and objectify the men without actually including more diversity or removing the unfair standards put upon women characters. Again, I feel like I shouldn't have to explain why this is absurd but yet it feels, especially after Marvel Rivals release that I've seen this argument more and more. Like no, that isn't fixing the issue, in fact all you've done is add LESS diversity overall, why would that be a good thing.
   
4. I'm sick of men weaponizing other women against women criticizing objectification and sexualization. The mentality of if another woman doesn't have a problem with it or likes something, you can't criticize; or your hating the other woman. Like no, women aren't a hivemind and we have differing opinions and tolerances. I don't think any woman who likes 2B, Eve or Tifa, the same way I wouldn't want to be called a shit person for liking DarkStalkers Morrigan (or that like being weaponized against other women) are bad people and if it's what they like, all the power to them (especially fellow lesbian, bi and other WLW women, love who you want and don't be ashamed at who you're attracted to), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize how those characters have been treated and objectified or want more or better. 
   
5. I'm sick of the hostility lobbied against women who dare criticize the objectification of women or the boy's club attitudes of the game community and fandoms. And to be blunt, no this isn't just an right wing/chud issue, sadly "progressive" space can still have this hostility.
   
6. I'm sick of being made to feel that I'm ugly and unwanted from these discussions. It becomes very clear, that many men and some women really do only want "attractive" women in video games; that if you don't fit what society deems acceptably attractive, you aren't welcomed in video games, aren't deserving or rep outside of MAYBE a minor NPC or background character etc. There was a thread years back that made that loud and clear. Fat women are worthy of being in video games, butch women aren't worthy, masculine looking trans women like me aren't good enough for video games, trans women are only good enough if we pass and look sexy enough in the eyes of men and cis women.
   
7. I'm sick of the boys club mentality of the video game community. It feels like so often if you want to feel welcomed in fandoms as a woman outside of women dominated genres and games, you're expected to "be one of the boys" and be a-okay with everything when men start being gross and immature about women characters (see how Street Fighter fans acted when Mai was launched for Street Fighter 6), shut up and keep any critiques that rock the boat and never expect better or more from video game companies or the community because it's just part of the culture and community doesn't want better. I'm sick of the feeling that I'm not wanted, that I'm a "Killjoy" for wanting some women not sexualized or more body diversity or Cammy wear pants.
   
8. I'm sick of mentality that wanting more body diversity, less objectification or women characters that aren't "sexy" = puritan that hates sexy women. Again, I don't hate sexy women, most women don't hate sexy women. I love many sexy women characters. I love villainesses, I love well-written femme fatales etc. But that isn't all I want, I love Poison Ivy, but I don't want every woman to be Poison Ivy, women should be allowed to be women.
   
9. I'm sick of the hypocrisy of men claiming their sex positive and supportive of women when defending objectified women and heavily sexualized women characters... Up until those women speak and actually have a personality that breaks their power fantasy like having opinions, having feminist viewpoints or being witty and sarcastic. Or then attack women for enjoying these works "wrongly" like drawing fan art or fan fiction, especially WLW fan art or fan fiction (yeah I'm not ignoring the extra hostility WLW characters get).
   
10. I'm sick of feeling hopeless, I'm sick of feeling nothing is ever going to improve. It feels like things are moving backwards and I'm fucking sick of it.
    

I'm just sick of it.

I like how Echoes start his rant anti objectification with him objectifying women… again.

Echoes (and many others in the burka thread to be honest) somehow convinced themselves that their objectification of women and gooning to their wlw lesbian fetishes is wholesome, innocent, and pro-feminism , unlike the nasty, icky, and evil gooning by heterosexual men .

[Boredfrom]

I'm sick of men weaponizing other women against women criticizing objectification and sexualization. The mentality of if another woman doesn't have a problem with it or likes something, you can't criticize; or your hating the other woman. Like no, women aren't a hivemind and we have differing opinions and tolerances. I don't think any woman who likes 2B, Eve or Tifa, the same way I wouldn't want to be called a shit person for liking DarkStalkers Morrigan (or that like being weaponized against other women) are bad people and if it's what they like, all the power to them (especially fellow lesbian, bi and other WLW women, love who you want and don't be ashamed at who you're attracted to), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize how those characters have been treated and objectified or want more or better.

 I'm sick of being made to feel that I'm ugly and unwanted from these discussions.

Do you read The Bire? Because no one on ERA dares to call you ugly or outright say that you are an annoying fetishist with untreated autism.

It becomes very clear, that many men and some women really do only want "attractive" women in video games; that if you don't fit what society deems acceptably attractive, you aren't welcomed in video games, aren't deserving or rep outside of MAYBE a minor NPC or background character etc. There was a thread years back that made that loud and clear. Fat women are worthy of being in video games, butch women aren't worthy, masculine looking trans women like me aren't good enough for video games, trans women are only good enough if we pass and look sexy enough in the eyes of men and cis women.

So your issue is your own insecurities rather than anything else.

[HaughtyFrank]

Selene from Returnal? Not unattractive per se, but sort of a grandma.



Its been a while since I played but children and generations were a big part of the game and the devs had talked a lot about why Selene is the specific age she is and some of the trauma of motherhood, children, and generations in the game.

Getting roasted rn

"Name a game with an unattractive female lead, I can't think of one" is a top tier honey trap

[Orange Juice Box]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

And Thread Deleted.  They can't be banned nor will they ever leave because they have nowhere else to go and lack any self-reflection to realize everyone hates them. Nepenthe - Mercury disorder. 








https://x.com/eagle22232/status/2077194290317648010

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I am curious why they don't add history of histories to the ban message. 

If the mods really want Zeo to learn, ban him for two months so he can't make the Spider Man and Latterns OTs that he signed up for.

Jeff Marvel made two pages of posts after that one before getting banned.

Punishment has to be timely for it to be effective B-Dumbs

what'd the TSA do to deserve that 

[Boredfrom]

I feel Echoes is not a hopeless case like Dr Poop, Nepenthe, Zeo and Planet Smasher… if only because he still openly questions himself.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

And Thread Deleted.  They can't be banned nor will they ever leave because they have nowhere else to go and lack any self-reflection to realize everyone hates them. Nepenthe - Mercury disorder. 








https://x.com/eagle22232/status/2077194290317648010

Not deleted.  Ree is aware we're reading the thread to make it Members Only 

[Boredfrom]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

And Thread Deleted.  They can't be banned nor will they ever leave because they have nowhere else to go and lack any self-reflection to realize everyone hates them. Nepenthe - Mercury disorder. 








https://x.com/eagle22232/status/2077194290317648010

Being fair, that mock poster is pretty stupid.  

“Fuck Nolan, my new God is Uwe Boll.”

[HaughtyFrank]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

And Thread Deleted.  They can't be banned nor will they ever leave because they have nowhere else to go and lack any self-reflection to realize everyone hates them. Nepenthe - Mercury disorder. 

Not deleted but made members only. Can't have anyone see echoes gooning

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

[*]I'm sick of being made to feel that I'm ugly and unwanted from these discussions. 
[*]

Echos is literally non-presenting offline.  

Literally wanting all the privilege as a trans lesbian person but can't put in the effort.

[Jeff_at_the_laughfactory]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

And Thread Deleted.  They can't be banned nor will they ever leave because they have nowhere else to go and lack any self-reflection to realize everyone hates them. Nepenthe - Mercury disorder. 

Not deleted but made members only. Can't have anyone see echoes gooning

made more hidden posts in the burka thread too

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

And Thread Deleted.  They can't be banned nor will they ever leave because they have nowhere else to go and lack any self-reflection to realize everyone hates them. Nepenthe - Mercury disorder. 

Not deleted but made members only. Can't have anyone see echoes gooning

made more hidden posts in the burka thread too

I feel bad for echos. Being a product of the autism to trans pipeline must be rough.

[D3RANG3D]

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I'd like someone to helm this asap for the frothing seethe that would entail! 

[Boredfrom]

I'm sick of the boys club mentality of the video game community. It feels like so often if you want to feel welcomed in fandoms as a woman outside of women dominated genres and games, you're expected to "be one of the boys" and be a-okay with everything when men start being gross and immature about women characters (see how Street Fighter fans acted when Mai was launched for Street Fighter 6), shut up and keep any critiques that rock the boat and never expect better or more from video game companies or the community because it's just part of the culture and community doesn't want better. I'm sick of the feeling that I'm not wanted, that I'm a "Killjoy" for wanting some women not sexualized or more body diversity or Cammy wear pants.

You are the minority of a niche subgenre of gaming. A genre where most people like to play good looking characters (including you). You act like the stereotype of a soccer mom while probably looking like Peter Griffin in a drag. The worst thing is that your criticism rings hollow even within your social circle because is fucking obvious that you are fucking thirsty.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I'm sick of the boys club mentality of the video game community. It feels like so often if you want to feel welcomed in fandoms as a woman outside of women dominated genres and games, you're expected to "be one of the boys" and be a-okay with everything when men start being gross and immature about women characters (see how Street Fighter fans acted when Mai was launched for Street Fighter 6), shut up and keep any critiques that rock the boat and never expect better or more from video game companies or the community because it's just part of the culture and community doesn't want better. I'm sick of the feeling that I'm not wanted, that I'm a "Killjoy" for wanting some women not sexualized or more body diversity or Cammy wear pants.

You are the minority of a niche subgenre of gaming. A genre where most people like to play good looking characters (including you). You act like the stereotype of a soccer mom while probably looking like Peter Griffin in a drag. The worst thing is that your criticism rings hollow even within your social circle because is fucking obvious that you are fucking thirsty.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/who-is-nintendo’s-scariest-villain.1577452/

So between these choices:

Bowser (Mario)
Ganon/Ganondorf (Zelda)
Andross (Star Fox)
Ridley (Metroid)
Nightmare (Kirby)


There's others in those series who could specify so I'll put a. other choice when the poll is finalized.

I'll tell you all a story. When I showed my friend the true ending where you see Andross' true form, his little brother was so terrified he ran out of the room, poor kid had nightmares for a week

[Uncle]

1. I'm sick of the mentality that EVERY woman in video games needs to sexy or attractive that this has to be a mandate, especially in RPGs, Action games, Fighting games etc. This is not a mandate men have in these games where men can be old, fat, large, ugly, scary, but women? Nope, pretty is a must and it's so obvious this negatively affects what women can be in these games. Women can't be old, women can't be too dorky, very rarely can they be muscly or tall, the can never be fat and if their meant to be scary it can only be in sexy scary way like a Succubus or a sexy vampire (can't have women be too monsterous). All women, even if it's a secondary costume or DLC must have a "sexy" revealing costume or a bikini regardless of their characterization, we can't women who are shy or don't like revealing skin oh no no, they must appeal to men. That's not even going into things like how this mentality often results in women's face looking samey or the racism often involved with dark skin and black women who often treated as uglier as pale women and suffer from stuff like whitewashing as seen with Fighting game characters like Vanessa, Lisa Hamilton and Elena.
   

so, he doesn't play video games then

pictured: women in RPGs...

   

   

[Taco Bell Tower]

No one at Ree plays games, Uncle.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Anyway, crazy frog

How dare you. 

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Pussy, there is an ignore list.

But your posts are the only thing that gets him hard.

[BIONIC]

Admitting that you play Fortnite

ms gives a free premium sub with gaymepass 

Admitting to being party to genocide

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Not editing or re-reading a single line of this, sorry guys.

Big Dick Energy

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

If y’all spent more time reading theory instead of typing out paragraphs of meaningless bullshit, the bire would be a better place  

It probably wouldn't.

[benji]

Wake up babe new wlw thread just dropped

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rant-im-sick-of-the-objectification-of-women-in-gaming.1577593/

I'm probably going to regret posting this thread but I'm going to.

I'm a lesbian, I like attractive women. One of my dream games and one I've discussed on ERA before is a "sexy" all-women WLW/Lesbian Fighting game made for WLW and Lesbians by Lesbians and WLW.

However, I don't want every woman in video games to be sexy, I don't want "sexy" to be a mandate for women in video games and honestly just kind of sick of the way women are so often objectified and sexualized in video games and I'm sick of the hostile pushback, especially over the past year against any and all criticism.

I guess so that this thread doesn't because an incoherent ramble, I better list my frustrations.

1. I'm sick of the mentality that EVERY woman in video games needs to sexy or attractive that this has to be a mandate, especially in RPGs, Action games, Fighting games etc. This is not a mandate men have in these games where men can be old, fat, large, ugly, scary, but women? Nope, pretty is a must and it's so obvious this negatively affects what women can be in these games. Women can't be old, women can't be too dorky, very rarely can they be muscly or tall, the can never be fat and if their meant to be scary it can only be in sexy scary way like a Succubus or a sexy vampire (can't have women be too monsterous). All women, even if it's a secondary costume or DLC must have a "sexy" revealing costume or a bikini regardless of their characterization, we can't women who are shy or don't like revealing skin oh no no, they must appeal to men. That's not even going into things like how this mentality often results in women's face looking samey or the racism often involved with dark skin and black women who often treated as uglier as pale women and suffer from stuff like whitewashing as seen with Fighting game characters like Vanessa, Lisa Hamilton and Elena.
   
2. I'm sick of the defense of "men are sexualized as well!". I feel like I shouldn't even have to say why this defense is absurd, from the power dynamics, how women characters are leered at by the camera, the different intents involved etc etc.
   
3. I'm sick of the mentality of "fixing" this issue is by making things "equal" aka, just sexualize and objectify the men without actually including more diversity or removing the unfair standards put upon women characters. Again, I feel like I shouldn't have to explain why this is absurd but yet it feels, especially after Marvel Rivals release that I've seen this argument more and more. Like no, that isn't fixing the issue, in fact all you've done is add LESS diversity overall, why would that be a good thing.
   
4. I'm sick of men weaponizing other women against women criticizing objectification and sexualization. The mentality of if another woman doesn't have a problem with it or likes something, you can't criticize; or your hating the other woman. Like no, women aren't a hivemind and we have differing opinions and tolerances. I don't think any woman who likes 2B, Eve or Tifa, the same way I wouldn't want to be called a shit person for liking DarkStalkers Morrigan (or that like being weaponized against other women) are bad people and if it's what they like, all the power to them (especially fellow lesbian, bi and other WLW women, love who you want and don't be ashamed at who you're attracted to), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize how those characters have been treated and objectified or want more or better. 
   
5. I'm sick of the hostility lobbied against women who dare criticize the objectification of women or the boy's club attitudes of the game community and fandoms. And to be blunt, no this isn't just an right wing/chud issue, sadly "progressive" space can still have this hostility.
   
6. I'm sick of being made to feel that I'm ugly and unwanted from these discussions. It becomes very clear, that many men and some women really do only want "attractive" women in video games; that if you don't fit what society deems acceptably attractive, you aren't welcomed in video games, aren't deserving or rep outside of MAYBE a minor NPC or background character etc. There was a thread years back that made that loud and clear. Fat women are worthy of being in video games, butch women aren't worthy, masculine looking trans women like me aren't good enough for video games, trans women are only good enough if we pass and look sexy enough in the eyes of men and cis women.
   
7. I'm sick of the boys club mentality of the video game community. It feels like so often if you want to feel welcomed in fandoms as a woman outside of women dominated genres and games, you're expected to "be one of the boys" and be a-okay with everything when men start being gross and immature about women characters (see how Street Fighter fans acted when Mai was launched for Street Fighter 6), shut up and keep any critiques that rock the boat and never expect better or more from video game companies or the community because it's just part of the culture and community doesn't want better. I'm sick of the feeling that I'm not wanted, that I'm a "Killjoy" for wanting some women not sexualized or more body diversity or Cammy wear pants.
   
8. I'm sick of mentality that wanting more body diversity, less objectification or women characters that aren't "sexy" = puritan that hates sexy women. Again, I don't hate sexy women, most women don't hate sexy women. I love many sexy women characters. I love villainesses, I love well-written femme fatales etc. But that isn't all I want, I love Poison Ivy, but I don't want every woman to be Poison Ivy, women should be allowed to be women.
   
9. I'm sick of the hypocrisy of men claiming their sex positive and supportive of women when defending objectified women and heavily sexualized women characters... Up until those women speak and actually have a personality that breaks their power fantasy like having opinions, having feminist viewpoints or being witty and sarcastic. Or then attack women for enjoying these works "wrongly" like drawing fan art or fan fiction, especially WLW fan art or fan fiction (yeah I'm not ignoring the extra hostility WLW characters get).
   
10. I'm sick of feeling hopeless, I'm sick of feeling nothing is ever going to improve. It feels like things are moving backwards and I'm fucking sick of it.
    

I'm just sick of it.

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[USER=40323]TheEchosOfTheCyborg[/USER] I echo the sentiment. Agreed about all your points, and can see why this gets so frustrating as time goes on.