Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Vertigo]

That reminds me that I should read The Invisibles, I have the Omnibus since three years ago.

The Invisibles is amazing.

[Boredfrom]

I read the first Volume like two decades ago, with The Filth. I lend them to a friend (and now are lost forever).

[Besticus Maximus]

I had never read the Doom Patrol run after Grant Morrison left until now. A trans woman, Rachel Pollack, takes over the series and I'm mentioning this at all because it's quite funny. First of all, they move to a house full of sex ghosts living out fetishes that are referred to as SRS. Little on the nose, but a decent enough pun I suppose. Then they introduce a former prostitute drawn as an entirely passable woman with zero hints who has gained powers and spend about five issues dropping hints that SHE'S NOT A CIS WOMAN but CLIFF STEELE IS ATTRACTED ANYWAY WON'T HE BE SURPRISED. (Don't worry, he'll be understanding and true love will win out. Not that they can even have sex because Cliff is a robot.)

At this point, if it's not obvious this is a mary sue expy, we get an entire multi-issue plotline where the bad guys are the ones who imposed not only language but gender on humanity in order to control us and place us inside a box and suck out our life forces so we just mindlessly serve rather than feel anything. The good guys are all genderless emotional free spirits in touch with every aspect of the universe. At the same time that all of this is being explained incoherently at extensive length the trans woman character lectures Cliff that they were always a woman and they always knew they were a woman and we get a backstory that consists entirely of they tried to wear a dress one time as a kid. Also Cliff is the idiot cis normie who keeps asking obviously stupid and embarrassing questions so the trans woman can put him in his place over and over again in brave and stunning fashion where the reader stands and claps.

They're also the only character that can defeat the bad guys because they're also the only one in connection with the genderless free past of emotions and those entities. (Even as this raises the question of why they're trying to impose gender like the bad guys.) And the way to defeat them is that the trans woman's soul has to merge with Cliff's robot body through both having orgasms* which turns into a hermaphrodite body followed by like two issues of drivel about this being so strange yet so right culminating with the trans woman soul grabbing the robot's breasts and exclaiming how this is what she wanted. (Then all of this sort of turns out not to matter at all because the genderless things do some deus ex machina instead.)

It just really amused me to read. Over thirty years ago and literally all the same shit.

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cum

You're laughing now but one day benji the penny will drop, and you will question yourself as to why you share so many hobby interests with these women

[benji]

Got my tickets for Friday morning at 10. Every other showing is sold out.

Also, how the hell does Chicago not have a real IMAX yet? lol. It's only the third largest city in the United States and we get fuck all for cinema.

Not next year! Not next month! Not tomorrow! Socialism NOW!

er well, after we get a nice IMAX in Chicago that isn’t too inconvenient of a drive for me.

If y'all actually organized and abolished capitalism we could have IMAX theaters in every walkable neighborhood.  

[benji]

I searched for something else and found this Nepenthe post:

From what I understand, degrowth is just about reducing avenues of waste and overconsumption by organizing society in such a way that to do so is extremely difficult to impossible. We already know that people in the Global North on average use way more utilities and throw away more food than they actually need to sustain a good life. This suggests then that the mass production and waste can be brought down significantly without any real hit to living standard.

I would also argue that societal changes to more communal amenities that offset individual need for energy would actually be a boon to quality of life. More social services, walkable cities, mixed living, and excellent public transportation? Sounds like a paradise to me. As would knowing that we, like, reformed our food systems do that all of it of it is actually going into people's stomachs and being recycled and reutilized in agriculture rather than throw out because of arbitrary dates or because it doesn't look like a perfect crop.

Ultimately though, arguing that capitalism is not the primary issue with the climate doesn't make sense. The more people consume, the more energy will need to be produced, the bigger the load on the planet. We cannot just continue buying nonsense into infinity and not expect ecological consequences. Nothing lasts forever and we've had a good 200 year-ish run of absolutely ravaging the planet and its most vulnerable inhabitants.

Also, another post where she expresses that there will be mass policing and violence to suppress anyone from using more than they "actually need" in her paradise.

Here's another one just because:

Not going to relitigate any past interparty drama because it literally isn't relevant, but cooperation is simply the only way forward. It's not about biting your tongue or having to capitulate on your morals, it's knowing when to keep the main thing the main thing and build out a firm coalition.

What is the "main thing" though?

I continuously ask about what liberals/Democrats are actually looking for, what is their ultimate vision of society. Specifically, in the examples of threads where Democrats are focusing on social media outreach, what is the message they actually plan to send to folks once they get their attention? What is the platform? What is the vision? Give it to me in one sentence.

Gonna be honest. I don't know what Democratic voters actually want beyond maybe protections for minorities. But this desire is inherently contradicted by these same voters steadfast insistence on capitalism because capitalism is the system which is producing the inequalities harming the minorities they claim to care about. It doesn't work.

"Yeah, we want Black people to feel safe, but also we need more money for police to combat all the fucking crime those Blacks are doing, and the well-being and autonomy of Africa is not in our political purview at all. Yeah, we want queer people to have rights, but trans people aren't a winning issue to the moms and pops in the Midwest so we can renege a little on our commitment to them when electorally convenient. Certainly, we're not for genocide because that harms people, unless the existence of those people is a problem for our economic interests in the Middle East, so how dare you advocate for the lives of those animals? Yeah, we care about the environment, but the production and consumption underlying the planet heating up must go up because everyone wants a wasteful lifestyle and we're the Party that's good for the economy (aka, good for the capitalists.) Did I mention our Presidential candidate won't ban fracking?"

At this point, "Big Tent" just means "a string of contradictions." There's no logical throughline connecting all of these different demographics and interests together, no unity, no guiding vision. At this point, I frankly do not trust the Democratic Party to be fully committed to the interests of human well-being because someone in that "Big Tent" might have a fucking problem with caring about other human beings.

I want no part of it anymore until you all fucking figure out some actual principles that cannot be discarded for convenience. I'm not gonna stick my neck and vote out for you if in the end there's a non-zero possibility you will leave me out to dry.

 

Got me to search "compromise":

People who keep saying that they're not asking people to compromise on their core principles, but to simply just work together with people who might differ ideologically from them in some way, are not understanding that a lot of these seemingly minor ideological disagreements ultimately stem from a disagreement about core principles. These core principles, whether a result of actual safety and protection for the minorities that tend to make up progressive movements, or as a result of actually trying to define a movement's goals and not water down the messaging, lose focus, or get co-opted by people who align themselves with the status quo despite all their bawking about the contrary- that, no for realsies, they're totally trustworthy allies (so long as you always do what they say)- also do not have the luxury of being overridden or cast aside by more minor ideological unity.

I'm not going to blindly invite you into my coalition because we agree that universal healthcare is good but yet you're okay with genocide occurring. It doesn't mean I necessarily have to cast you away immediately though; the short-term goal should be to debunk that harmful belief by whatever means necessary. Indeed, I am a fan of education, but education in a political sense must be in pursuit of folding the masses- who are primed to be disaffected by the status quo but, inevitably, hold harmful beliefs as a result of being forced to live in and be subservient to that status quo- into the movement. But you cannot have a successful movement that is based upon the principles of anti-genocide and anti-privatized healthcare if only a minority of the people actually believe in both!

Everyone has red lines (anyone who says they don't at all is either a liar or the Devil). Progressives simply have more of them, both in the understanding that this current world is fraught with contradictions that can be solved, and also in the pursuit of a newly-imagined world which is the hard-mode road of life to go down. Anyone can comfortably nestle themselves into conservatism and capitalism. It is the order of the day and thus requires little thought and critique. Progressives are more apt to not accept that.

The good news from where I'm standing is that a lot of things that leftists want are already popular opinion in the American consciousness.

For example, most people actually do want gun control, so there's no need to waste time under the presumption that the inertia we see on the issue is because popular sentiment lies with the gun nuts, and subsequently we don't get mired down in stupid debates that only mean to kick the can down the road. There is honestly no "both sides" to many issues that the media tries to present as such. If you know the material reality of any issue going in, you can then deal with the actual problem: in this case, NRA lobbying and bad court interpretations of the Second Amendment.

This isn't to say that these two things aren't massive hurdles to get through. It's to say that we need to get better at understanding where we actually stand in the thick of these issues, because this allows us to determine where our energy is best suited in actually solving problems. It also prevents the paralysis you see so often in capitalist realism, wherein the existence of some opposition means that a fight is actually happening on equivalent footing, and thus we're at a stalemate and there's nothing to do about it aside from trying to convince "hearts and minds," which your political opponents want you to do, btw, because the longer you spend trying to convince them of something that they are never going to agree with you on, the less time you have to actually organize into a meaningful political force. Don't fall for that okeydoke. Social conservatives sure don't, and they are the fucking statistical minority!

Basically, if milk is spilled, there's no need to sit around wondering on whether or not the household wants to clean it up because the fish in your fish tank don't have an opinion on the issue. It's clear the majority want it clean, so that isn't the problem. The problem might be you don't have any paper towels to get it up, or you spilled it on carpet and lack the necessary cleaning agents to make sure that area won't stink later.

Dialectical 👏🏿 Materialism 👏🏿 Use it to your advantage to address problems in the real world instead of fighting with idiots who literally don't matter!

Meanwhile, back in 2018:

I'm fully a democrat, don't get me wrong. But this was, objectively, both sides. If the sides were flipped you can guarantee we'd all still be blaming Republicans holding out for some compromise. It's just how it works. I'm not saying it's wrong.

If the sides were flipped, Dems would not have let CHiP expire and DACA hang in the balance in the first place to try and force Republicans to agree to some extraneous terms. Because they're not composed entirely of sociopaths.

[Snoopy]

Spotted TERF BITCH's security buying sausage rolls in Greggs this morning. Probably spent the night celebrating their victory over High Femme.

[Potato]

Got my tickets for Friday morning at 10. Every other showing is sold out.

Also, how the hell does Chicago not have a real IMAX yet? lol. It's only the third largest city in the United States and we get fuck all for cinema.

Not next year! Not next month! Not tomorrow! Socialism NOW!

er well, after we get a nice IMAX in Chicago that isn’t too inconvenient of a drive for me.

If y'all actually organized and abolished capitalism we could have IMAX theaters in every walkable neighborhood.  

I'm sure, when the trans poly commune seizes the means of production, their first priority will be nationalising significant infrastructure to convert them into centres of entertainment. They at least won't be bored while they freeze and starve.

[Besticus Maximus]

Experience

The Makoto Kitsiruagi project: Part Time Advisor - 2026 present

Led all responsibilities in running a charity for unhoused transwomen to experience imax while learning about blood test results

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Going to see a film in IMAX? Great. Cool, cool. Thanks for perpetuating capitalism.

[Uncle]

Going to see a film in IMAX? Great. Cool, cool. Thanks for perpetuating capitalism.

how to end capitalism: https://gofile.io/d/U8BxsO

[Polident]

I remember watching the Dark Knight Rises prologue on a massive imax screen. Afterwards everybody was talking about how they had no goddamn clue what Tom Hardy was saying. Nolan the coward changed it for the final film. Everybody was talking about how some guy shot a bunch of people at a movie theater so I wasn’t able to gauge whether they understood Bane’s voice.

[HaughtyFrank]

So apparently the poison ivy fortnite skin was initially meant to be the one on the left

What's so funny to me is that the Burka brigade would have been just as upset with the tame version.

[BIONIC]

I had never read the Doom Patrol run after Grant Morrison left until now. A trans woman, Rachel Pollack, takes over the series and I'm mentioning this at all because it's quite funny. First of all, they move to a house full of sex ghosts living out fetishes that are referred to as SRS. Little on the nose, but a decent enough pun I suppose. Then they introduce a former prostitute drawn as an entirely passable woman with zero hints who has gained powers and spend about five issues dropping hints that SHE'S NOT A CIS WOMAN but CLIFF STEELE IS ATTRACTED ANYWAY WON'T HE BE SURPRISED. (Don't worry, he'll be understanding and true love will win out. Not that they can even have sex because Cliff is a robot.)

At this point, if it's not obvious this is a mary sue expy, we get an entire multi-issue plotline where the bad guys are the ones who imposed not only language but gender on humanity in order to control us and place us inside a box and suck out our life forces so we just mindlessly serve rather than feel anything. The good guys are all genderless emotional free spirits in touch with every aspect of the universe. At the same time that all of this is being explained incoherently at extensive length the trans woman character lectures Cliff that they were always a woman and they always knew they were a woman and we get a backstory that consists entirely of they tried to wear a dress one time as a kid. Also Cliff is the idiot cis normie who keeps asking obviously stupid and embarrassing questions so the trans woman can put him in his place over and over again in brave and stunning fashion where the reader stands and claps.

They're also the only character that can defeat the bad guys because they're also the only one in connection with the genderless free past of emotions and those entities. (Even as this raises the question of why they're trying to impose gender like the bad guys.) And the way to defeat them is that the trans woman's soul has to merge with Cliff's robot body through both having orgasms* which turns into a hermaphrodite body followed by like two issues of drivel about this being so strange yet so right culminating with the trans woman soul grabbing the robot's breasts and exclaiming how this is what she wanted. (Then all of this sort of turns out not to matter at all because the genderless things do some deus ex machina instead.)

It just really amused me to read. Over thirty years ago and literally all the same shit.

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cum

Egg post

[HaughtyFrank]

I had never read the Doom Patrol run after Grant Morrison left until now. A trans woman, Rachel Pollack, takes over the series and I'm mentioning this at all because it's quite funny. First of all, they move to a house full of sex ghosts living out fetishes that are referred to as SRS. Little on the nose, but a decent enough pun I suppose. Then they introduce a former prostitute drawn as an entirely passable woman with zero hints who has gained powers and spend about five issues dropping hints that SHE'S NOT A CIS WOMAN but CLIFF STEELE IS ATTRACTED ANYWAY WON'T HE BE SURPRISED. (Don't worry, he'll be understanding and true love will win out. Not that they can even have sex because Cliff is a robot.)

At this point, if it's not obvious this is a mary sue expy, we get an entire multi-issue plotline where the bad guys are the ones who imposed not only language but gender on humanity in order to control us and place us inside a box and suck out our life forces so we just mindlessly serve rather than feel anything. The good guys are all genderless emotional free spirits in touch with every aspect of the universe. At the same time that all of this is being explained incoherently at extensive length the trans woman character lectures Cliff that they were always a woman and they always knew they were a woman and we get a backstory that consists entirely of they tried to wear a dress one time as a kid. Also Cliff is the idiot cis normie who keeps asking obviously stupid and embarrassing questions so the trans woman can put him in his place over and over again in brave and stunning fashion where the reader stands and claps.

They're also the only character that can defeat the bad guys because they're also the only one in connection with the genderless free past of emotions and those entities. (Even as this raises the question of why they're trying to impose gender like the bad guys.) And the way to defeat them is that the trans woman's soul has to merge with Cliff's robot body through both having orgasms* which turns into a hermaphrodite body followed by like two issues of drivel about this being so strange yet so right culminating with the trans woman soul grabbing the robot's breasts and exclaiming how this is what she wanted. (Then all of this sort of turns out not to matter at all because the genderless things do some deus ex machina instead.)

It just really amused me to read. Over thirty years ago and literally all the same shit.

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cum

When I think about it, fictional trans women are pretty much always presented as passable because when you portray them as not passing it instantly looks like a caricature and everyone would get mad.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-548#post-158002018

I don't know if this has been posted in the thread for the DC skins but Fortnite has added multiple female skins with boob jiggle physics this year. Three of them are collab skins, Meg from Hercules, Mercy from Overwatch and Kafka from Honkai Star Rail. As for the DC skins added today, the three women all have jiggle physics for their boobs and as far as I'm aware, only Ivy has jiggle physics on her arse.

Please God let this be true 🙏

[DavidCroquet]

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I had never read the Doom Patrol run after Grant Morrison left until now. A trans woman, Rachel Pollack, takes over the series and I'm mentioning this at all because it's quite funny. First of all, they move to a house full of sex ghosts living out fetishes that are referred to as SRS. Little on the nose, but a decent enough pun I suppose. Then they introduce a former prostitute drawn as an entirely passable woman with zero hints who has gained powers and spend about five issues dropping hints that SHE'S NOT A CIS WOMAN but CLIFF STEELE IS ATTRACTED ANYWAY WON'T HE BE SURPRISED. (Don't worry, he'll be understanding and true love will win out. Not that they can even have sex because Cliff is a robot.)

At this point, if it's not obvious this is a mary sue expy, we get an entire multi-issue plotline where the bad guys are the ones who imposed not only language but gender on humanity in order to control us and place us inside a box and suck out our life forces so we just mindlessly serve rather than feel anything. The good guys are all genderless emotional free spirits in touch with every aspect of the universe. At the same time that all of this is being explained incoherently at extensive length the trans woman character lectures Cliff that they were always a woman and they always knew they were a woman and we get a backstory that consists entirely of they tried to wear a dress one time as a kid. Also Cliff is the idiot cis normie who keeps asking obviously stupid and embarrassing questions so the trans woman can put him in his place over and over again in brave and stunning fashion where the reader stands and claps.

They're also the only character that can defeat the bad guys because they're also the only one in connection with the genderless free past of emotions and those entities. (Even as this raises the question of why they're trying to impose gender like the bad guys.) And the way to defeat them is that the trans woman's soul has to merge with Cliff's robot body through both having orgasms* which turns into a hermaphrodite body followed by like two issues of drivel about this being so strange yet so right culminating with the trans woman soul grabbing the robot's breasts and exclaiming how this is what she wanted. (Then all of this sort of turns out not to matter at all because the genderless things do some deus ex machina instead.)

It just really amused me to read. Over thirty years ago and literally all the same shit.

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cum

stuff like this just makes me wonder...are specifically trans people brain broken to do this in all media, or is everyone always just writing fantasies surrounding their beliefs?

tolkien was like "ahh yeah it's so great being a cis little guy who is just quietly determined and never questions his own gender but also never has sex"

I have the maybe controversial opinion that is that yes, everyone does write *themselves*, if not their fantasies. People can be more or less cognizant and/or subtle in the effort, but I do think ALL writers do this.

At the very least I find it super engaging to view all events/characters/interactions in a narrative as some metaphorical reflection of the writer’s interiority.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wsj-moving-back-home-used-to-be-a-sign-of-failure-now-it-shows-financial-savvy-nearly-half-of-american-adults-under-30-are-living-with-a-parent.1579072/

Let's see who shows up to out themselves

[NekoFever]

I had never read the Doom Patrol run after Grant Morrison left until now. A trans woman, Rachel Pollack, takes over the series and I'm mentioning this at all because it's quite funny. First of all, they move to a house full of sex ghosts living out fetishes that are referred to as SRS. Little on the nose, but a decent enough pun I suppose. Then they introduce a former prostitute drawn as an entirely passable woman with zero hints who has gained powers and spend about five issues dropping hints that SHE'S NOT A CIS WOMAN but CLIFF STEELE IS ATTRACTED ANYWAY WON'T HE BE SURPRISED. (Don't worry, he'll be understanding and true love will win out. Not that they can even have sex because Cliff is a robot.)

At this point, if it's not obvious this is a mary sue expy, we get an entire multi-issue plotline where the bad guys are the ones who imposed not only language but gender on humanity in order to control us and place us inside a box and suck out our life forces so we just mindlessly serve rather than feel anything. The good guys are all genderless emotional free spirits in touch with every aspect of the universe. At the same time that all of this is being explained incoherently at extensive length the trans woman character lectures Cliff that they were always a woman and they always knew they were a woman and we get a backstory that consists entirely of they tried to wear a dress one time as a kid. Also Cliff is the idiot cis normie who keeps asking obviously stupid and embarrassing questions so the trans woman can put him in his place over and over again in brave and stunning fashion where the reader stands and claps.

They're also the only character that can defeat the bad guys because they're also the only one in connection with the genderless free past of emotions and those entities. (Even as this raises the question of why they're trying to impose gender like the bad guys.) And the way to defeat them is that the trans woman's soul has to merge with Cliff's robot body through both having orgasms* which turns into a hermaphrodite body followed by like two issues of drivel about this being so strange yet so right culminating with the trans woman soul grabbing the robot's breasts and exclaiming how this is what she wanted. (Then all of this sort of turns out not to matter at all because the genderless things do some deus ex machina instead.)

It just really amused me to read. Over thirty years ago and literally all the same shit.

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cum

She tried to join the Justice League, but "it's implied that she was rejected in part for being an out transgender lesbian activist"

[Ethan]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/linus-torvalds-ai-is-a-tool-just-like-other-tools-we-use-and-its-clearly-a-useful-one.1578862/

Milquetoast and arguably accurate comment. Let's see...

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Tools/technology aren't "neutral" because there's always intention behind them.

Fuck AI, and fuck Mr. Torvalds.

I went outside today and the sky was orange and everyone in my house has been coughing like a 70 gear old smoker, and our smoke alarms got set off at 3:30 in the morning in a fully enclosed house.

Acceptable cost to have your abject laziness validated though, fo sho.

I hate to say it, but he's right. Capitalism is the real problem here.

Of course, the underlying message that it's fine for AI to be used for all the atrocities it is enabling as long as it is a useful tool for developers.

They're hoping it's going to vanish because for many AI is sucking out the last remnants of joy from life

Man, Frank Herbert had it nailed, huh? We're just gonna ban computers at some point if we want to survive. Everyone who makes them and their fundamental software is insane.

That's just in the first 20 replies.

[benji]

I went outside today and the sky was orange and everyone in my house has been coughing like a 70 gear old smoker, and our smoke alarms got set off at 3:30 in the morning in a fully enclosed house.

Acceptable cost to have your abject laziness validated though, fo sho.

 There weren't forest fires before mass generative AI use.

Man, Frank Herbert had it nailed, huh? We're just gonna ban computers at some point if we want to survive. Everyone who makes them and their fundamental software is insane.

By contrast, this isn't insane.

edit: lmao why are there four pages

[benji]

It's almost as if new technology should be regulated before becoming publicly available to minimise disruption and limit potential damage.

One would hope that if flying cars became commercially viable tomorrow, using one would be illegal until the appropriate laws and regulations were in place to ensure safe use.

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Not cops.

[HaughtyFrank]

She tried to join the Justice League, but "it's implied that she was rejected in part for being an out transgender lesbian activist"

Wonder Woman saw her in the watchtowers Women's bathroom and was like "Okay, this is not happening"

[HaughtyFrank]

I went outside today and the sky was orange and everyone in my house has been coughing like a 70 gear old smoker, and our smoke alarms got set off at 3:30 in the morning in a fully enclosed house.

Acceptable cost to have your abject laziness validated though, fo sho.

 There weren't forest fires before mass generative AI use.

Man, Frank Herbert had it nailed, huh? We're just gonna ban computers at some point if we want to survive. Everyone who makes them and their fundamental software is insane.

By contrast, this isn't insane.

edit: lmao why are there four pages

Herbert also cheated a little by introducing Mentats who basically turn their brain into a computer.

So until you find a way to train people to do this lets hold off on the Butlerian Jihad

[benji]

For everything else we've just gotta hope regulation steps up multiple notches. The number 1 song on radio in australia at the moment is a suno generated cover which feels all sorts of gross even though no one I know listens to commerical radio anymore.

 

Converted a Godot 3.5 VR project to Godot 4.7 last night (Godot was a near full rewrite between 3 and 4) using Claude (Fable) because I was bored during vacation. The estimate we gave last year was that we would use 2-3 man months for this same task.

I know you think it's impressive but I'd have preferred humans did that work over the course of two or three months because then they're getting paid for that work and they're using that money to pay bills to keep a roof over their head, to buy things which keeps other businesses going and to fund taxes which keeps vital social services going.

Where does that money go now?

 

Why is it a lie, again? The user did it for work and got the recognition they would get for any other work and are now on to the next thing. A human got paid. I don't get it?

It's a lie because they were on vacation and it was unpaid work. That's the point - a team of people would've been paid two or three month's salary for that work and now they won't. How much money do you think that translates into that will no longer go back into the pockets of the people that need it? How long before there is no "next thing" because one person was able to do a job that would've taken months to do in a single night while they were on vacation?

That's the thing that scares me most. How many jobs are going to become zero hour contract gigs where you're called in for a few hours to work with a bot on one task because you already proved you can use bots to do several months' of work in a single night?

It's too drastic, right? If it was saving a few hours here and there that'd be one thing but months? There's a finite amount of work that needs to be done in any given year and if you can pay someone for a single week of work to do what would otherwise take several people a whole year to do, then the only person winning is the one that is paying one person £500 for that work instead of paying several people £24'000 each over the course of a year.

The knock on effect of that would be catastrophic.

Executives live in a world of their own. I am sure we disagree on almost everything. All they care about is eroding worker's rights and maximising profits so they're a lost cause as far as I'm concerned.

The issue isn't executives pushing this bot stuff, it's normal people evangelising it without realising that the wider the adoption of bots the worse it'll be for them until they're no longer needed at all. Just because you feel like you're too important to be replaced by a bot doesn't mean executives agree with you and the more excuses you give them to downsize the more opportunities they'll take to do so.

People shouldn't be impressed that a bot can do the work that would take a team over several months to do in a single night. They should be terrified.

Are we really downplaying the impact of widespread adoption of bots as "it might make someone redundant"? That's the same linguistic tiptoeing as "these new laws may diminish your rights". 😭

There is no might about it. People are already losing their jobs, losing opportunities, because corporations are pushing for bots to replace humans. Even in this very thread you've got people pointing out that by using bots to do entry level coding work you're just stealing jobs from inexperienced people trying to get their foot in the door.

I already mentioned this earlier in the thread - freelance work and zero hour contracts are the way things are headed.

You won't be hired on an ongoing basis any more, only brought in when they need you to do a specific task either their bots can't handle on their own or for work they don't know how to ask their bots to do. Work that would normally take months will take like a day at most and you'll be paid for that day not the months you saved them. If you can't do the assigned work in a day they'll hire someone else that can.

It'll be a race to the bottom where everyone is fighting to be the cheapest hire that does the quickest work and your survival will rely on getting enough jobs each month to pay the bills and keep food on the table but it'll be worse than you could imagine because things like workers rights, employee benefits and pensions won't exist any more.

Then again who knows? Maybe they'll bring back indentured servitude. The corporation you work for will cover the cost of your essentials so you don't die homeless and starving on the street but they will own you for the next twenty years in return.

This guy.     

me bulldozing your house and poisoning your water: "it's just a tool, bro"

All the other aspects of the current implementation via modern capitalist-hellscape are horrendous; the companies currently developing models on stolen content, profiteering off the shoulders of all of collective human history, the effect on the economy at large due to suits seeing lines going up at any moral cost, the lack of generation guardrails, the detriment to society. These are not fundamentally tied to the underlying science. These are results of under-regulated american capitalism pushed to it's most extreme, which is the actual issue.

You all let your society backslide into the state where wannabe barons can continue to rob you blind and poison your wells, yet continue to blame the symptoms, not the disease.

He's correct. The problem is that we're in late stage capitalism and the people at the reigns of these companies are fucking ghouls who either subservient to the market or their own technocratic brainrot.

At this point, you can't separate the tech from the business so the whole thing must burn.

I doubt centrist democrats are gonna burn much of anything.

Depends on if Israel wants to or not.

I saw the writing on the wall a while ago (probably over a year) in that AI was going to replace most tech jobs. Since I'm a shit coder with low passion, low experience, a mere 2 year degree in software dev (that took me 7-8 years to actually get), so bad an AI could do better than me, etc., I pivoted and essentially stopped trying to get tech jobs. I'm only good for low-level grunt jobs and that's a thing I just have to accept. Combine that with my hatred of gen AI when everything's AI focused and, well, yeah. Seems like I saved myself a headache.

Funny to see "Mussolini made the trains run on time." styled defences about AI.

Quite appropiate for what's to come.

Dang, my tools don't require the entire electric grid of a small country to function

Nobody is saying it's not a tool.

Why do the most obtuse sociopaths on earth keep deploying this like it's some kinda gotcha?

AI is a tool is just there to shut down the argument. It's thought terminating.

100%. It doesn't just shut down the argument, it gives them permission to not actually examine and wrestle with what they're advocating for, too.

Most AI boosters talk like sexual predators and don't seem to realize it. Or they do and don't care/like that.

It's wrecking the planet and ruining people's lives, and it will lead to a massive economic crash. Usefulness is really not something that should be brought up just because it can help you code.

Then again who knows? Maybe they'll bring back indentured servitude. The corporation you work for will cover the cost of your essentials so you don't die homeless and starving on the street but they will own you for the next twenty years in return.

Its what every rich person wants and believes we deserve

Why we keep letting them exist and get away with this..... well clearly they know that the bulk of us are easily manipulated... at least when life is relatively easy. Now that life is getting hard they are getting the government to load up on goons, have flock cameras everywhere to keep an eye on us.

They are putting up the walls as we suffer which is historically what greedy powerful shitty humans have always done.

@Transistor late stage capitalism is tiring man

This is deeply disappointing. I've met him face to face a few times and he never gave the vibe that he'd fall for AI like this

There might be a future where we'll value human work again and be willing to pay more for it.

Great thread.

I am curious to what happens in the coming years when no software dev on any team knows how their own applications work.

Guy who has never seen all the legacy systems in use written in COBOL.

[benji]

She tried to join the Justice League, but "it's implied that she was rejected in part for being an out transgender lesbian activist"

Also, I forgot the other tropes. One of their superpowers is an incredible ability to use computers to find/do anything but they have no clue how it works and can't explain it to Niles Caulder's exasperation. (Though it also never really seems to be of any use and kind of gets forgotten.) Also, there's an indication in the one issue that they once were married before transition and this was a huge mistake because it was such a lie.

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And going back to this, I guess I read this wrong initially, it's Cliff who's fondling the breasts, experiencing gender euphoria as another egg:

[Averon]

They actually perma banned a long time member (14000+ posts since 2017) for daring to talk back to the Burka Brigade:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-guess-even-fortnite-is-doing-more-bikini-type-skins-now.1577221/page-8#post-157968367

User banned (permanent): Dismissing concerns of sexualization over multiple posts 

So you don't care about what I have to say and have no interest in having a conversation. Good to know. If you say "Men don't listen!" while sticking your fingers in your ears, the back-and-forth arguments and name calling will just go on forever. I'm listening to you, I'm listening to what people against sexualization in media have to say. It's your call if you want to start listening too.

Knew he was a dead man walking the second he started talking back to Burka Brigade prominents. People get banned for less for being racist or advocate political violence. But talk back to the Burka Brigade prudes and it's a permanent ban. And again, it's another "dismissing concerns" ban. Dismissing concerns is just fucking disagreeing with the other person you're having a conversation with.

Also, I'm suppose to believe the Burka Brigade people aren't bitter, regressive prudes and puritans when basic ass bikinis still trigger and anger them?

[Alpacx]

Am I the only one who only reads the parts of Nepenthe screeds that Benji bolds?

wlw

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[saltygeneraltso]

I haven't read an entire Nepenthe post in years.

[Besticus Maximus]

She's very rarely actually saying anything at all, despite how many words you will see

[Let's Cyber]

They actually perma banned a long time member (14000+ posts since 2017) for daring to talk back to the Burka Brigade:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-guess-even-fortnite-is-doing-more-bikini-type-skins-now.1577221/page-8#post-157968367

User banned (permanent): Dismissing concerns of sexualization over multiple posts 

So you don't care about what I have to say and have no interest in having a conversation. Good to know. If you say "Men don't listen!" while sticking your fingers in your ears, the back-and-forth arguments and name calling will just go on forever. I'm listening to you, I'm listening to what people against sexualization in media have to say. It's your call if you want to start listening too.

Knew he was a dead man walking the second he started talking back to Burka Brigade prominents. People get banned for less for being racist or advocate political violence. But talk back to the Burka Brigade prudes and it's a permanent ban. And again, it's another "dismissing concerns" ban. Dismissing concerns is just fucking disagreeing with the other person you're having a conversation with.

Also, I'm suppose to believe the Burka Brigade people aren't bitter, regressive prudes and puritans when basic ass bikinis still trigger and anger them?

The thread degraded into exactly what everyone knew it would, which makes the first page even funnier. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-guess-even-fortnite-is-doing-more-bikini-type-skins-now.1577221/#post-157913956

I don't think anyone is saying this is wrong or bad, just pointing it out as new for Fortnite

"and another thing: im not mad about swimsuits in videogames. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad about swimsuits in video games." Why even be coy about this? Why even pretend the same posters aren't going to come rushing in to spout the same npc talking points for the millionth time?

Sounds about white.