Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-2#post-158414815

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-3#post-158426524

Was referring to the rise of the Islamic States due to Western (mostly American) interference. While extremists have probably always existed to some extent, they weren't as big in number or as well organized before. They emerged from the chaos inflicted, filling up a power vacuum left.

Absolute clown. There’s a certain brand of wannabe intellectual that thrives in places like Era that this dude is the perfect example of.

“Well I don’t know anything about what I talk about but I do know that it was whiteys fault.” Like Wahhabism was a CIA psyop. 

Also pretty fucking offensive to take away any and all agency of people that actually live in the region.

Wishing a return to empire and imperialism is good actually...but only if you're Muslim.

[Potato]

you'd think Gosling has better things to do than film MCU slop.

"You'd think he has better things to do than be in a hugely successful franchise to play a character that he loves, while re-teaming with a director that he enjoyed working with previously and getting paid a ton of money."

The use of the word "slop" there really hit Jeff in the sensitive bits.

[Jonsey]

   

[Potato]

Little bro does't realize that it's standard for actors to say that they love a setting/character/universe when being cast in and doing press for films. 

I find it hard to believe that more than 0.0001% of humanity love Ghost Rider. Of those, probably 1/10th even know anything about him beyond "flaming skullhead biker".

Standard press junket key messages/taking points for super hero movies:

• "Oh yeah, I absolutely loved [insert character here] comics as a kid growing up. It inspired me to become an actor."
  
• "Playing a female super hero is something I always wanted to do so I could inspire little girls that they can be anything they want when they grow up."
  
• "I really identify with [insert character here] story as a working class kid who suddenly comes into great power and responsibility, even though I grew up in a privileged home with private schooling and access to the film and television industry through my parents."
  

[Potato]

*Jeff's mum tweeting 

[Orange Juice Box]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-2#post-158414815

We also really need to stop meddling in the Middle East, and just get the hell out of there. All that radical "Islamism" is the result of our messing up things there; it's a very recent phenomenon. And of course Israel is benefitting from it, having also ties to the far-right in the West. And in general, we need to stop othering regular muslims. Yes, there are enclaves that are a problem, but they are the result of people being discriminated against time after time after time.

Please tell me he's going to shift the blame from the attacker and say it's a "social issue," and american culture (capitalism) is at fault.  Maybe LGTBT era will see they are being treated as lowly as Asians and leave. 

I wanted to post the link to that thread where two asian teens were beaten by a mob of black teens and the reaction on Era was, "wow, why doesn't the city build more third spaces to help these misunderstood kids?  But the archives are down hard to pin down. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-2#post-158414815

We also really need to stop meddling in the Middle East, and just get the hell out of there. All that radical "Islamism" is the result of our messing up things there; it's a very recent phenomenon. And of course Israel is benefitting from it, having also ties to the far-right in the West. And in general, we need to stop othering regular muslims. Yes, there are enclaves that are a problem, but they are the result of people being discriminated against time after time after time.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-3#post-158426524

What do you mean it's recent? Gay people have been persecuted and killed due to Islam since… the dawn of Islam. Don't blame the west for that.

Was referring to the rise of the Islamic States due to Western (mostly American) interference. While extremists have probably always existed to some extent, they weren't as big in number or as well organized before. They emerged from the chaos inflicted, filling up a power vacuum left.

It's happening.   

Muslim vs. LGBT summit meow!

[benji]

While extremists have probably always existed to some extent, they weren't as big in number or as well organized before. They emerged from the chaos inflicted, filling up a power vacuum left.

 It's true if you don't consider either of these to be extremists:



And isn't it the West's fault for the Ottoman's collapsing after they got stomped in World War I instead of propping them up and defending them against the independence movements? And also the West's fault for simply not doing anything and allowing chaos to fill the power vacuum left by the collapse of this and the other regimes in the region?

[Disco55]

Bro cannot handle that not everyone thinks Every Marvel superhero movie is good.

And besides we all know there are marvel movies that are astonishingly mid despite it's high rotten tomato scores *Looks at Dr. Strange*

[Vertigo]

The anatomy of an attempted dog piling and ban. 

SuperRiko tried and failed. 

From their avatar, Riko has a trans coloured MLP avatar and a bug up their ass. I'm still stumped that Reee hasn't met many gays who find the whole Islamist and queer 'we are the world' thing ultra weird espcially in Europe.  I know gays who've found the joining of two opposite-thinking groups ultra weird. Like, how do you support a religion that finds your very presence an abomination and would love to free your head from your body.

And to honour the dead gays, they will vote for Nazis, right?

You'd be surprised to hear that many gay men will vote far right for precisely this sort of situation.

Yeah anyone can end up evil obviously regardless of orientation, but what's the point of this post specifically linking "Many" gay men to the far right while were in a thread of people grieving about a Gay Pride event being hit by a terrorist? Seems bad taste at best.

?

I'm a gay man and I was just responding to the other user. Events like this (islamist terrorist attacks) have been also linked with a raise in far right voting from the gay men community. Why shouldn't this also be addressed? I'm certainly not saying that it's only gay men's fault that happens.

https://www.scenemag.co.uk/german-gays-favour-far-right-alternative-for-germany-party-ahead-of-countrys-snap-election/

A gay man? Damn, they were hoping it was a straight man, as it would be easier to begin the proceedings. 

It's just gross to read this discussion at all in here is my point. I guess I'm too sensitive, but you didnt even post any sadness or grief in here, just...

"Many gays wanted this"

But whatever I'll drop this and concede I guess.

Huh? I'll only say this because I don't want to continue deviating this thread:

I never said that and it's terrible that you're even suggesting I did. I also did react to this news before responding to the other user (but you didn't even check).

I personally don't think it's gross to address it. It's extremely intertwined. I'm also not attacking anyone or being disrespectful with anyone who is grieving nor am I being disrespectful with the victims— but I also understand this is a discussion forum, too.

Okay, Im not attacking you anymore, Im trying to be nice Im just a bit upset and sad. but Im trying to understand. please explain how you are not saying
"Many gay men vote far right specifically to have extremist attacks on other gay"
in the above post, Cause thats exactly how it reads to me


also Sorry I checked the thread and didn't see you.

I'm done with this conversation now. Please don't respond to me again.

I read their post to mean that many gays vote right wing due to immigration concerns. I have no clue if that's accurate, but this is the absolute wrong thread to be positing that in. In no way shape or form is this the fault of the victims.

[benji]

I'm skeptical the guy drove into the Pride crowd to protest immigration restrictions by a hypothetical future AfD government. 

Or that's what that poster was saying happened. They really struggle with the idea that explanation is not endorsement or justification, don't they?

"There are gay men who vote far-right because they oppose Islam, especially Islamic terrorism. And/or immigration in general or specifically."
"Wow, you're really saying many gays vote far-right in hopes of causing attacks on other gays? Not cool to say that in a thread in which there should be no discussion only condolences for the victims and worries about going out in public ever."

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghost-rider-announced-starring-ryan-gosling-and-directed-by-shawn-levy-coming-2028.1587322/page-8#post-158429098

Again, if you want to go down that road, both those movies have average critic ratings in the 60s. Mediocre.



And like the poster above said, it's just my opinion. You can't seem to handle the subjectivity of this and keep trying to make objective claims without even expanding on what you like about movies you're so ardently defending.

Corncob is now my favorite

[Uncle]

I'm very calm in this back and forth. No fit-throwing at all. You're the one pushing false narratives about people no longer actually liking Superman

[HaughtyFrank]

The anatomy of an attempted dog piling and ban. 

SuperRiko tried and failed. 

From their avatar, Riko has a trans coloured MLP avatar and a bug up their ass. I'm still stumped that Reee hasn't met many gays who find the whole Islamist and queer 'we are the world' thing ultra weird espcially in Europe.  I know gays who've found the joining of two opposite-thinking groups ultra weird. Like, how do you support a religion that finds your very presence an abomination and would love to free your head from your body.

The most popular party with German gays is now really the far right as absurd as that sounds



Most of the other parties are just leaving the field open when it comes to migration

[Boredfrom]

I'm very calm in this back and forth. No fit-throwing at all. You're the one pushing false narratives about people no longer actually liking Superman

 

If anything, I’m surprised people like Superman enough to make a animu-esque tv series.

But no mixture of real world and online impressions. And also the fact that it's pseudo sequel absolutely bombed.

It seems they adapted the comic it was based badly to the point it felt like Snyder made it

Probably because it was written by a war criminal.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-2#post-158415541

  User Banned (Permanently): Islamophobia; History of Racist & Islamophobic Commentary

We also really need to stop meddling in the Middle East, and just get the hell out of there. All that radical "Islamism" is the result of our messing up things there; it's a very recent phenomenon. And of course Israel is benefitting from it, having also ties to the far-right in the West. And in general, we need to stop othering regular muslims. Yes, there are enclaves that are a problem, but they are the result of people being discriminated against time after time after time.

There are problems that you have said but there are also problems with some Muslim kids in the West from more conservative families being raised to not mix with the majority society.

Their religion says pork (and chicken and red meat not cut a certain way), alcohol, women wearing what they want, homosexuality, dancing, singing, dating marrying who you want and pre-marital sex is wrong, while growing up in societies where all of those are the norm for the majority, it can create problems.

Not necessarily leading to terrorism but just divisions in society. But then those divisions can further create the foundation for the bad actors who radicalise there young men and women to perform these actions.

You can't control how families raise their kids but any organisations that radicalise people should be investigated and shut down well in advance of these kids going down these rabbit holes.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-is-asking-insiders-to-volunteer-to-test-a-free-ad-supported-version-of-game-streaming-for-non-game-pass-subscribers.1585315/page-7#post-158364151

 User banned (1 week): Antagonistic behavior over multiple posts, prior bans for same behavior

The presentation is apt for the chosen audience. It's an insider beta test for a possible new product, not a product release for mainstream use.

Giving as much detail as possible is the right and sensible thing to do. This is just extreme nitpicking.

You really would have a rationalization ready for anything, absolutely anything, from any angle. All theater. Maybe you've even convinced yourself. Fascinating.

Are you going to try it?

No, I have a PC that makes it moot. Are you going to argue that that is somehow relevant?

[Boredfrom]

But he said the truth?  

Conservative Muslim families do that.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-%E2%80%9Ci-am-pleased-to-announce-my-intention-to-run-for-a-fourth-term-as-president-of-the-united-states-%E2%80%9D.1586866/page-11#post-158408347

 User banned (2 weeks): personal attacks against other members over a series of posts

Disturbing to see so many Americans still thinking that there are 'checks and balances' in place to 'uphold the constitution'.

I guess that comes with being brainwashed from birth and hearing these hollow phrases over and over again. To the point where you can't even see how it's been completely eroded.
Even the Supreme Court has given him immunity for anything he does while president.

And pretending like this is a distraction from the real issues going on… wake up, this is THE SAME as all the rest of it. The same abuse of unchecked power. He can even start a war without going through the normal channels.

Big mouths that are all too happy to spend their days telling everyone else to stop being doomers, are the same ones that will just shrug and roll over yet again when the next norm gets crushed without any check or balance. The most they will do is complain on a forum, while pretending they never said it wouldn't happen. They were busy saying he wouldn't get elected in 2024 as well.
People like coyote stannk in every thread just being absolutely brain washed Americans, or showing up In Canadian threads letting everyone know that 'not all Americans are like that'.

It's beyond unhelpful, because they spend their days telling people to not take any action, because the stated scenario will never happen.
No matter how many times it has happened already.

It probably needs a new category: Unconcerned Trolling.

[Boredfrom]

Disturbing to see so many Americans still thinking that there are 'checks and balances' in place to 'uphold the constitution'.

 

If anything, you are lucky those checks and balances are good enough to maintain a degree of normalcy (and Trump being retarded).

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-%E2%80%9Ci-am-pleased-to-announce-my-intention-to-run-for-a-fourth-term-as-president-of-the-united-states-%E2%80%9D.1586866/page-11#post-158408347

 User banned (2 weeks): personal attacks against other members over a series of posts

Disturbing to see so many Americans still thinking that there are 'checks and balances' in place to 'uphold the constitution'.

I guess that comes with being brainwashed from birth and hearing these hollow phrases over and over again. To the point where you can't even see how it's been completely eroded.
Even the Supreme Court has given him immunity for anything he does while president.

And pretending like this is a distraction from the real issues going on… wake up, this is THE SAME as all the rest of it. The same abuse of unchecked power. He can even start a war without going through the normal channels.

See the funny part is no President has started a war by "going through the normal channels" since World War II. Yet this guy feels entitled to lecture others about what is or isn't normal. (While also not understanding Supreme Court rulings he's never bothered to read about.) 

At the same time this post is correct, in that Obama did the same exact thing as Trump of simply declaring the conflict over in Libya even as bombings continued for some time, yet none of Era has ever complained about this. So the norm was effectively established by their inaction and even more by their support for Hillary Clinton. (Who is who came up with this method and made the declaration of the conflict being over.)

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-2#post-158415541

  User Banned (Permanently): Islamophobia; History of Racist & Islamophobic Commentary

We also really need to stop meddling in the Middle East, and just get the hell out of there. All that radical "Islamism" is the result of our messing up things there; it's a very recent phenomenon. And of course Israel is benefitting from it, having also ties to the far-right in the West. And in general, we need to stop othering regular muslims. Yes, there are enclaves that are a problem, but they are the result of people being discriminated against time after time after time.

There are problems that you have said but there are also problems with some Muslim kids in the West from more conservative families being raised to not mix with the majority society.

Their religion says pork (and chicken and red meat not cut a certain way), alcohol, women wearing what they want, homosexuality, dancing, singing, dating marrying who you want and pre-marital sex is wrong, while growing up in societies where all of those are the norm for the majority, it can create problems.

Not necessarily leading to terrorism but just divisions in society. But then those divisions can further create the foundation for the bad actors who radicalise there young men and women to perform these actions.

You can't control how families raise their kids but any organisations that radicalise people should be investigated and shut down well in advance of these kids going down these rabbit holes.

I'm 99% sure that guy once talked about being Turkish so he's likely Muslim himself or was at least raised that way. Muslims abroad being more devout than in i.e. Turkey itself is also nothing new.

Absolutely nothing he said here would be considered controversial if he had been talking about conservative Christians

[benji]

But he said the truth?  

Conservative Muslim families do that.

I'm 99% sure that guy once talked about being Turkish so he's likely Muslim himself or was at least raised that way. Muslims abroad being more devout than in i.e. Turkey itself is also nothing new.

Absolutely nothing he said here would be considered controversial if he had been talking about conservative Christians

I think you're forgetting that the staff have previously established that disagreeing with the tenets of Islam is Islamophobia and requires a ban.

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-the-gays-using-besides-grindr-now.1587745/

Zoloft made me asexual for like a year and a half but that's over and yesterday I got the smelliest person ever and tonight it apparently sent my address to 2 people. They both showed up and wanted to do things in a car even though we were at my house. It makes me play stupid games before I can message anyone. There has to be a better app

He doesn't know about sniffies 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-2#post-158415541

  User Banned (Permanently): Islamophobia; History of Racist & Islamophobic Commentary

There are problems that you have said but there are also problems with some Muslim kids in the West from more conservative families being raised to not mix with the majority society.

Their religion says pork (and chicken and red meat not cut a certain way), alcohol, women wearing what they want, homosexuality, dancing, singing, dating marrying who you want and pre-marital sex is wrong, while growing up in societies where all of those are the norm for the majority, it can create problems.

Not necessarily leading to terrorism but just divisions in society. But then those divisions can further create the foundation for the bad actors who radicalise there young men and women to perform these actions.

You can't control how families raise their kids but any organisations that radicalise people should be investigated and shut down well in advance of these kids going down these rabbit holes.

I'm 99% sure that guy once talked about being Turkish so he's likely Muslim himself or was at least raised that way. Muslims abroad being more devout than in i.e. Turkey itself is also nothing new.

Absolutely nothing he said here would be considered controversial if he had been talking about conservative Christians

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fifa-world-cup-2026-ot-the-opposite-of-sportswashing-11th-june-to-19th-july.1542427/page-485#post-157025464

A lot of stuff I didn't even know as a Turk from England.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/#post-158408251

I'm a straight person from a Muslim background (although Atheist myself) and I fear it happening too in crowded places. I also have the fear of being mistaken for being a "bad guy" by far right white people when I let my hair and beard grow (but when I'm clean shaven I'm less conspicuous and look Southern European , Mediterranean olive skin appearance can go both ways depending on grooming).

There does seem to be a weird dichotomy between Western Europe and Muslim majority countries with regards to how they treat Islamist extremist organisations. In Western Europe there's not wanting to cross the line towards racism and discrimination which lets some of the bad actors fly under the radar. But in Muslim majority countries they just go hard against the bad actors.

Of course this isn't to say that white Europeans aren't capable of doing things like this either. There was one last year in Liverpool who luckily didn't kill anyone.

[benji]

What could be more Islamophobic than rejecting your Muslim background to become an atheist? Staff confirmed as factually correct yet again. They never miss.

[Taco Bell Tower]

The majority of the last super hero movies were plain bad though.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Last year brought us Thunderbolts, First Steps and Superman. Does Supergirl being bad somehow undo the quality of those?

'Quality'.... They're throwaway fun at best and derivative crap at worst. There's 10+ movies released each month better than all of those.

Marvel and, to a lesser extent, WB used to release interesting films once in a while like Nolan's Batmans, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Logan, etc. Films with distinctive visions that actually felt exciting.

There's not been an actual quality superhero film for years. Marvel's TV shows are the only things that sometimes do something even remotely interesting.

Gosling being involved and being the catalyst for the movie piqued my interest but then the director announcement all but guarantees we're getting something mediocre as a best case scenario.

Again, Superman and Thunderbolts literally released last year.

What are you even talking about?

Two completely mediocre films. That's what you're batting so passionately for lol.

Yeah, okay.

"Thunderbolts and Superman don't count as quality films" is not a serious opinion, so it's not possible to have any sort of dialogue with that.

Well at least you're using dialogue this time instead of posting Tomatometers at me.

I mean, RottenTomatoes would be a valid thing to post here too. You're trying to argue that there has not been a single "quality" superhero movie in years, so critical response is actually very important in the conversation.

I gave two examples of movies that are widely considered to be good movies by both critics and fans, but you're instead pretending that Superman isn't a good movie. You're not here to have a debate, you're just trolling.

Anyway, we might not be in the golden age of the genre any longer but I'm happy that we're still regularly getting good superhero movies. Including top tier ones like Thunderbolts and Superman.

Really? I felt like those are definition of just middle of the road superhero stuff. With maybe Superman a bit below. Feel like public sentiment has soured on it over time.

Yes, really. Both are top tier superhero films and no, public sentiment has not soured on Superman. You might be on social media too much.

Wouldn't being on social media be more tapped into the zeitgeist?? You get so defensive I love it!!

But no mixture of real world and online impressions. And also the fact that it's pseudo sequel absolutely bombed.

Wouldn't being on social media be more tapped into the zeitgeist??

No. Twitter does not reflect real life.

And also the fact that it's pseudo sequel absolutely bombed.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Superman. In fact, there was a lot of hype surrounding Supergirl after her appearance in Superman. People were absolutely excited to see her again.

It was the trailers and marketing for Supergirl that killed that hype.

Nice try though.

You get so defensive I love it!!

Ah, so I'm talking to a child.

Got it.

You're the one who throws a fit whenever someone goes against something you like. Even if I called it something light like "middle of the road."

And you throw ad hominems like "too much time on social media" and saying I'm on twitter. Instead of making an actual point.

I'm very calm in this back and forth. No fit-throwing at all. You're the one pushing false narratives about people no longer actually liking Superman, pretending that it had anything to do with Supergirl's failure, and saying things like, "lmao you're so defensive I love it!!!"

The idea that Supergirl bombed because people changed their mind about Superman and decided they didn't actually like it is utterly ridiculous. Why would that be taken seriously?

You come at the king...

This seriously sums up Jeff

[D3RANG3D]

[benji]

"The streets were my Danger Room" is a fire line.

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-dead-several-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-car-driven-into-crowd-at-berlin-pride.1587259/page-2#post-158415541

  User Banned (Permanently): Islamophobia; History of Racist & Islamophobic Commentary

We also really need to stop meddling in the Middle East, and just get the hell out of there. All that radical "Islamism" is the result of our messing up things there; it's a very recent phenomenon. And of course Israel is benefitting from it, having also ties to the far-right in the West. And in general, we need to stop othering regular muslims. Yes, there are enclaves that are a problem, but they are the result of people being discriminated against time after time after time.

There are problems that you have said but there are also problems with some Muslim kids in the West from more conservative families being raised to not mix with the majority society.

Their religion says pork (and chicken and red meat not cut a certain way), alcohol, women wearing what they want, homosexuality, dancing, singing, dating marrying who you want and pre-marital sex is wrong, while growing up in societies where all of those are the norm for the majority, it can create problems.

Not necessarily leading to terrorism but just divisions in society. But then those divisions can further create the foundation for the bad actors who radicalise there young men and women to perform these actions.

You can't control how families raise their kids but any organisations that radicalise people should be investigated and shut down well in advance of these kids going down these rabbit holes.

You can say young men are all cunts and need to be drowned at birth because they’re white men until the cows come home, but don’t you dare spell out the issues with Islam and the very foundations it’s based on? No that’s Islamophobia, incredible

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chatgpt-was-used-for-research-for-the-new-avatar-aang-movie.1586956/page-2#post-158386414

Cultural consultants. Avatar pulls from tons of real-world cultural influences for its art and aesthetics.

It's illuminating that you had to clarify this, because that and another person deriding Avatar as a kid's cartoon act like artists are incapable of using real world references and cultures for their work even if it's fantasy, or that it's not really important to go to real cultural sources or consultants for the sake of respect because it's just a cartoon.

When I tell you people don't respect artists, it's little things like that I'm talking about.

Sometimes, depending upon how deep and accurate you want to go, consultation of human beings is absolutely necessary, because the information we have access to is largely determined by what the imperial core seems adequate enough to access for its own ends.

What gets put on the Internet, what gets boosted, and thus what gets stolen by the crawlers of the algorithm depends upon who has access to the infrastructure necessary to put their culture on the Internet, and what Big Tech and by proxy our governments allow us to access. Most people here have no idea what the fuck is going on in Namibia's Internet ecosystem, for example- their memes, their manner of online speech, their unique social networks (if any, because unless you have a firewall like China you might be fucked, stuck in America's ecosystems like Amazon or Google with no economic throughline to developing your own stuff, aka digital colonialism)- and there's reasons for that beyond apathy.

It's similar to the problem of trying to get first-hand sources from peoples who went through colonialism or genocide in pre-Internet times- they didn't exist in conditions which would have allowed them ample access to recording and preserving direct experiences, so we have more substantial first-hand knowledge of their oppressors' lives instead.

My point being, yes if you don't give a shit, you can just go to Google and look up some Asian outfits for your fake anime bullshit and call it a day. But if you do give a shit, you start talking to real human beings who have lived the life you're trying to make money off of.

Start giving a shit and pay people.

 

Also noticed this thread dying when someone posted actual information about copyright instead of outrage and members indicating they believe plagarism is/was/should be a crime:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/german-court-rules-against-dog-photographer-over-ai-generated-comic-version-of-her-photo-following-another-ruling-in-favor-of-ai-dataset-operator.1584394/

I fucking hate, hate, haaaaaate this timeline.

We are so cooked

Blowing up the human race for LLMs, one court case st a time.

Fuck this

Being used as a direct input for the generator should've made this a slam dunk tbh

Ok, now rule the same when it happens to a big corporation. If it were a big corp complaining about this they would've ruled in favour. This is just the courts not helping your average person at all. I'm 100% against all AI bullshit and they should've ruled in the photographers favour, but it'll 100% be double standards if they were a big corp/someone rich I feel.

This is a terrible precedent to set in general, but the double standards are insane also.

Man this logic doesnt fly. So what do we just not care about plagiarizing period anymore?

Like I don't get how courts, politicians and even c-suits don't understand why people hate AI more and more.

AI proponents have never cared about plagiarism, no. That was the only way to get the machine working in the first place.

If this shit doesn't violate copyright, we need a new 'thing' to be created that it does violate, because this shit is fucked up.

*Duh. Plagiarism. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Another victory for AI bros and another devastating blow to artists.

Yea I get that, its just wild to see how much that facade dropped and how quickly it did across multiple aisles so to speak. Like everything became the instant and short term focused so much that we are seeing legit the rule books ripped and burned in front of us and then we see them act all shocked and surprised when data centers get blocked, ect.

Like I just don't see how anyone looking mid to long term here couldn't see how this damages the house and the grounds the house is built on.

I don't think AI proponents particularly care because the laws were never actually in the masses' favor to begin with, and they don't care about the masses so much as they care about capital being able to run roughshod over said masses so they get whatever they can out of it, whether its financially-motivated or just a naive faith in a tech revolution being able to solve our problems, a notion I dismantled in another conversation. I think once again people need to understand that what we're seeing is just unfettered capitalism at play, and there will be no shortage of petty bourgeois workers who will favor anything that bolsters capitalism.

Agree, this shit is so far beyond what anyone who wrote the original laws could possibly have conceived that we clearly need new ones to figure this shit out. The fact that people are reduced to pursuing zoning law solutions because it's inherently and universally acknowledged that that's more likely to jam a wheel in the spokes of tech corporations than a real, federal law is insane.

It's ridiculous that we have such a broken democracy that judges are stuck trying to figure out how laws from the 20th and 19th century apply to 28th dimension algebra leveraged into transformer-based generative AI because Congress is never going to actually update the Copyright Act to address it.

On the other hand, I think that, at least in America, any changes that Congress would make to how copyright law works would probably be better for AI corpos than harsher, so I guess it's a double edged sword that they don't do shit.

Please, please, world destroying asteroid...

Did his images not have copyright? I don't how German law works but you can't just steal and resell someone's stuff for "scientific enhancement".

The original images are copywritten. The second image up there is not the original image and is not owned by the photographer.

It would be the same in the US, if I took an image of a dog someone took a photo of and then drew a similar image of it or asked an AI to make something similar, it wouldn't be against the law. You are allowed to make derivative works.

Ok, now rule the same when it happens to a big corporation. If it were a big corp complaining about this they would've ruled in favour. This is just the courts not helping your average person at all. I'm 100% against all AI bullshit and they should've ruled in the photographers favour, but it'll 100% be double standards if they were a big corp/someone rich I feel.

This is a terrible precedent to set in general, but the double standards are insane also.

Its not Germany, but Getty lost a massive lawsuit in the UK over AI making very similar images to their stock photos, logo and all, because the AI doesn't make the same images. Copyright only really applies to the actual same work being copied, not a similar or derivative work. AI is allowed to train off of freely available images on the internet and generate similar looking images, so long as it does not publish exact images or retain them on their website or something.

So, as long as you're distributing someone's work for free, it's not copyright infringement? Good to know.

That ruling also dealt with the fact that Robert Kneschke freely distributed the images in question online for anyone to see. Its not theft to download an image off a website. The core issue in the lawsuit was that he wrote on his website that he prohibits the automated scraping of his images by web crawlers or other entities. (Which is really not enforceable)

In fact, the EU specifically has a law in place to make it legal to data mine or scrape images off the web if you are doing it for research, which is why it was ruled in favor of LAION.

Also there's this guy saying what "should happen" is what already is the case:

It makes sense, you don't own the way an image is framed. What should happen is that people should be allowed to freely distribute this comic, as AI works should not be allowed to be copyrightable.