Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

The one who yelled at the girls and got suspended.  


Her wife, the actual person with money, is a former long-time Microsoft executive in HR. All the news stories are being illustrated with her, it's not the actual wife.

[Boredfrom]

ERA doesn’t like to be reminded that sport owners shouldn’t scream to fans because political differences:

Fuck those "fans", that only became "fans" to bring transphobia and racism. She can and should, and I'm so glad she did.

Clicky talking about integrity and following political bandwagons.  

Yep. And been reading about actual fans at WNBA games having to put up with obnoxious, transphobic trolls who are in the audience purely to rile others up so they can record reactions and get their 5 minutes of fame.

 

Maybe the league should have integrity, because Celeste Kleaton does.

Infantino should have took the podium and scream obscenities to everyone booing Trump at the World Cup final.

[Boredfrom]

The whole controversy surrounding her reminds me a lot of when they accused Taylor Swift of not doing enough against her Nazi fans

They assume and expect these celebs are as terminally online as they are.

This thread still sticks with me years later. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/maynard-james-keenan-of-tool-accused-of-rape.51496/

They demand these famous people should be constantly tapped into social media and must respond to every accusation. Once this particular instance was shown to be bullshit, the thread just died, and the posters demanding blood just never posted again.  

Lol, I remember that thread. Maximum retardation. Reeeeiotous being a retarded fucking idiot again. 

It's a window into another world though where every accusation was immediately assumed to be a guilty verdict and the accused to be condemned regardless of evidence. Such a fucking idiotic time.

The worst thing is that they still want it to be the case.

[benji]

Yep. And been reading about actual fans at WNBA games having to put up with obnoxious, transphobic trolls who are in the audience purely to rile others up so they can record reactions and get their 5 minutes of fame.

Yep. Was just reading this on the subreddit of some real long-time WNBA fans: https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleStorm/comments/1vaiybj/keaton_suspended/

randomstripper10k
18h ago
So sad to see in these last few years, the league which I grew up watching from back when I was a little kid, the league that made my childhood worth living, has now been infiltrated by disgusting bigoted swamp creatures who hate every single thing the W stands for.

Keaton was not wrong. Shame on the grifter oxygen thief for being so boring and mediocre on her own that she resorts to making these inflammatory comments even though she has no clue what she's talking about and only cares about lining her pockets. Absolutely disgusting, and the W has always been better than this.

randomstripper10k
18h ago
Yeah, the WNBA league office, under the guidance of Cathy, fell for it. Not Keaton herself.

AlpsSoft9462
OP
18h ago
i expect to see a lot more of this. they are going to start baiting us at every game.

Top-Average412
9h ago
Thats why this org put up money to put two teens courtside.

They were there specifically to create this scene.

This is the most obvious plant in all of history, why are people treating it seriously?

Oh yeah, transphobia

Effective_Mixture525
9h ago
Exactly. This was an orchestrated theatrical production. They talking about how they were just waiting for someone to say something to them. One of those girls is the daughter of Brandi kruse’s friend and they trot her out every time they need to pretend they care about young girls, she’s been the “victim” in other Brandi kruse schemes

No_Advisor7703
19h ago
this is absurd wtf. the hypocrisy from the league is on another level. what is going on?! A league built by queer women, my god.

No_Advisor7703
7h ago
The teenagers made a choice to make their hateful views known. They were knowingly provoking reactions, filming every interaction, hoping people would argue with them (other fans are reporting this who were sitting near them). so they got the reaction they absolutely signed up for as bigots. Teenagers can be bigots and no, bigots shouldn't be welcome.

Do you know anything about the queer community or its history?? LGBTQ+ people have struggled together against this nonsense of people trying to will them out of existence. We aren't going backwards, we're going forwards and you are on the wrong side of history.

Steadyandquick
19h ago
The signs were so visible while we watched the game from home. Grrrrr.

AlpsSoft9462
OP
19h ago
it was a set up and unfortunately it worked.

AlpsSoft9462
OP
18h ago
we need to get the news and the politicians on our side.

AlpsSoft9462
OP
19h ago
they need to get the news and democrats in congress to point it out. that will scare the league into doing something about it.

rollupthepartition
16h ago
As a long-time queer Storm fan, I’m really disappointed that the comfort of transphobes is the priority. I didn’t expect much of the league but I expected better from my team. Merch and flags doesn’t mean anything if this is the actions you take.

This could have been handled in so many other ways.

CarefulBoard358
18h ago
what happened to no space for hate in the league? then when someone stands against anti trans fever fans this happens lmaooo. a joke.

Glittering_Hope1114
3h ago
Lgbt people should just stop attending they made their choice. Just another magat anti trans event now as far as I am concerned.

Glittering_Hope1114
2h ago
Makes it even worse considering the amount trans refugees fleeing persecution from the south to seattle currently.

yellow_phoebe
5h ago
None of the women in the WNBA want to go up against a male athlete. It is common sense. The days of pretending otherwise are fast coming to an end.

AlpsSoft9462
OP
5h ago
but they are okay with it for children. that is important. those kids will kill themselves if they aren't given acceptance.

yellow_phoebe
4h ago
Studies prove that untrue.

AlpsSoft9462
OP
4h ago
it is very true. you denying it is only making the problem worse.

holabellas
19h ago
I can understand the league pussyfooting around the Sophie issue but this is absurd. I love the women in this league but I can’t stand the people who run it.

Good on Celeste for standing up for what’s right.

holabellas
16h ago
It's not a problem at all, in fact I think it's good. Younger kids who don't know what they're talking about is obviously bad, but teenagers are old enough to know, understand, and form their own political positions.

However, if teenagers want to participate in it, they need to also know that shit isn't always sweet and that if you're spewing BS you're going to get called on it. If she doesn't want to get called on it then maybe don't attend a WNBA game wearing inflammatory shirts and carrying inflammatory signs courtside

holabellas
5h ago
It’s a WNBA game babe, not the free market place of ideas. It’s meant to be an inclusive environment that makes everyone feel welcome. The Storm co owner was completely correct in shaming people who were making the space an unwelcoming environment

[benji]

Reminder that this country is trying to completely wipe us out. I feel like because we're such a tiny fraction of the population cis people just don't perceive this as a massive issue to be bothered by. Which leads to takes like "What can [super famous celebrity athlete with a massive following] do about it?!" Like I don't know, be a fucking adult? Say literally anything about this specific issue? Especially if it's about this person's own teammate? The way people infantilize Clark is incredible and should be studied in the future. You can, in fact, be judged fairly by your own actions and the company you keep. Still waiting for a lot of white cis women to figure that one out.

But most importantly: fuck this stupid ass teammate of hers, and those supporters. Washington has a lot of these assholes and they're regarded as losers and mocked relentlessly. These clowns who bemoan the fact that they live in a deep blue state despite the fact that they've had the money and ability to leave for decades but won't because deep down they know red states ain't got shit for them.

Guess we'll find out exactly how many losers there are in November when what this stunt was for is voted on: https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Sex_Verification_Requirements_for_Female_School_Sports_Initiative_(2026)

[Boredfrom]

I feel like because we're such a tiny fraction of the population cis people just don't perceive this as a massive issue to be bothered by.

[Uncle]

there are like 10 WNBA fans, you can't be yelling at 20% of your entire fanbase

[BIONIC]

caring about sportsball is explicit support of racism.

[benji]

Jeff really hates that mukbang YouTuber fatty, he tweeted and deleted like five earlier today and now he's back to chasing her down in replies to bitch at her:

[Boredfrom]

The last Best of the Worst had a Cannon movie where they actually tried to humanize the Irani’s terrorists... before Chuck Norris kill them with rocket launcher in his motorcycle. RLM showed a IRL news clip of critics condemning the film of being anti Arab and anti Palestine.

Just to reminds us that this shit isn’t new and is probably going to outlive all of us.

[Ethan]

No_Advisor7703
19h ago
this is absurd wtf. the hypocrisy from the league is on another level. what is going on?! A league built by queer women, my god.

I keep seeing this talking point but aren't lesbians by far the TERFiest people?They're the biggest losers in this nonsense. They're overly represented in women's sports. They often don't like sharing spaces with men. They're now being transphobic for refusing to hook up with trans women. 
They never asked for any of this, queer or not.

[Boredfrom]

They need to play game because US based LGBT organizations still feel the need to support Transwomen.

[benji]

The last Best of the Worst had a Cannon movie where they actually tried to humanize the Irani’s terrorists... before Chuck Norris kill them with rocket launcher in his motorcycle. RLM showed a IRL news clip of critics condemning the film of being anti Arab and anti Palestine.

Just to reminds us that this shit isn’t new and is probably going to outlive all of us.

It's based on an actual thing that happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

[HaughtyFrank]

The last Best of the Worst had a Cannon movie where they actually tried to humanize the Irani’s terrorists... before Chuck Norris kill them with rocket launcher in his motorcycle. RLM showed a IRL news clip of critics condemning the film of being anti Arab and anti Palestine.

Just to reminds us that this shit isn’t new and is probably going to outlive all of us.

It's based on an actual thing that happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

Can't even hijack planes anymore 

I just want to exist. And hijack planes.

[Uncle]

era: omg this geopolitical situation is just like my japanese animes vidya

bire: wow you can learn so much about the world filtered through the dulcet tones of rich evans

[Uncle]

The last Best of the Worst had a Cannon movie where they actually tried to humanize the Irani’s terrorists... before Chuck Norris kill them with rocket launcher in his motorcycle. RLM showed a IRL news clip of critics condemning the film of being anti Arab and anti Palestine.

Just to reminds us that this shit isn’t new and is probably going to outlive all of us.

It's based on an actual thing that happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

Can't even hijack planes anymore 

I just want to exist. And hijack planes.

   

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ive-been-revisiting-telefang-comic-bomboms-last-grasp-at-pokemons-popularity.1591720/

Another Birdie long ass blog post.

I just had the depressing thought that he wrote all this during his ban.

[Orange Juice Box]

lol, they posted the article that says that Caitlin Clark is as bad as the women who lied and got Emmit Till killed but they aren't using it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/seattle-storm-owner-celeste-keaton-suspended-for-combatting-transphobia.1590934/#post-158566504

Indiana has a problem.

www.usatoday.com
Caitlin Clark’s flopping isn’t just annoying — it’s becoming dangerous | Opinion
Clark has repeatedly berated refs after not getting calls replays show she doesn't deserve
www.usatoday.com

My protests are the honest voice of the people, your protests are a bankrolled grift by a cult.

With throngs of people in Minnesota protesting the Trump administration's immigration enforcement surge, President Donald Trump and some of his allies repeatedly described the protesters as paid.

WATCH: Thousands brave frigid cold in Twin Cities 'ICE Out' protest

"The thugs that are protesting include many highly paid professional agitators and anarchists," he said Jan. 18 on Truth Social.

"They're paid agitators and insurrectionists," Trump said at a Jan. 20 press conference.

The next day in Davos, Switzerland, Trump said the "fake" protests were "done by agitators and professional insurrectionists. … They're professional troublemakers."

He added, "We are looking very strong at the money, too, in Minnesota and other places."

We asked the White House for Trump's evidence about "paid" protesters and received no response. Although some people on social media have provided what they said is evidence of such activity, we found none of the claims held up to scrutiny.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claim-that-anti-ice-protesters-are-paid-agitators-and-insurrectionists

[Boredfrom]

Our president also says the same when there are protests against her.

[Boredfrom]

The last Best of the Worst had a Cannon movie where they actually tried to humanize the Irani’s terrorists... before Chuck Norris kill them with rocket launcher in his motorcycle. RLM showed a IRL news clip of critics condemning the film of being anti Arab and anti Palestine.

Just to reminds us that this shit isn’t new and is probably going to outlive all of us.

It's based on an actual thing that happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

Can't even hijack planes anymore 

I just want to exist. And hijack planes.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ive-been-revisiting-telefang-comic-bomboms-last-grasp-at-pokemons-popularity.1591720/

Another Birdie long ass blog post.

I just had the depressing thought that he wrote all this during his ban.

Searching the title found this video from March:

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ive-been-revisiting-telefang-comic-bomboms-last-grasp-at-pokemons-popularity.1591720/

Another Birdie long ass blog post.

I just had the depressing thought that he wrote all this during his ban.

Searching the title found this video from March:

If it’s him, he should stick with the video essays.  

Not a diss, just saying that he would have a genuine audience there.

[benji]

No, Gorsuch, the US was literally founded to be a white ethnostate.

Honestly, its hilarious just how much they tried to brute force him into being their martyr.

That was probably the first time that many white conservatives were confronted with the idea that they could get merked for being shit human beings, and it scared them to death. It's the same latent fear of retaliation this country has wrestled with since abolition.

What about Luigi tho?

Even conservatives don't like the health insurance industry so they didn't imprint on Brian Thompson.

But a white Christian hetero man going to those liberal campuses and owning college students (not actual experts, of course) with conservative facts and logic? Charlie was both a reflection of their beliefs and a power fantasy. He was untouchable.

Until he got touched.

And one thing conservatives are fucking horrible at is dealing with cognitive dissonance and actions that equivocate them with those they deem inferior; getting killed for being a bigoted ass isn't something that should happen. Charlie getting blown the fuck away pierced that bubble, hence all the meltdowns.

It should also not be undersold how much of a factor Kirk's killer being white which shattered their perception of invulnerability.

A minority resorting to violence in response to persistent, hateful rhetoric is not only expected - it's the desired outcome. But a fellow white male being the one to pull the trigger means they're not as safe among their peers as they believed, especially for a group who vocally expresses wanting ONLY to live in white enclaves.

They didn't understand that from all the fucking mass shootings perpetrated by white men against white populations?

Call's coming from inside the house, buckos.

Everytime there's a mass shooting or an assassination theyre always put in a conundrum because 9 times outta 10 it's always a cis white guy, so they try to control the narrative that it's some black guy or a Trans person or whatever which always fails because by like hour 2 we usually know who the shooter is, so they try to switch it to the person has longer hair than the norm or look like a nerd so must be gay or Trans. But then like clockwork it's always some guy who comes from a family of conservatives from conservatown, USA where he voted for Trump like 9 times actually.
So they just kinda act like it never existed.
Its happened so many times now.

Conservatives are incapable of addressing the problems of mass shootings because the problem stems directly from the contradictions of a society they champion on a emotional and cultural basis. When capitalism is beating your ass economically, emotionally, and psychologically, but you've based your entire self-image on being a cheerleader for empire, you are completely disarmed in figuring out the solution to that ass beating. You're just "mad at the world." So you take it out on said world, which is usually gonna be the other white people in the vicinity. 🤷🏿‍♀️

 These people are so fucking stupid.

It's a Nazi thing, they assume that, when the call goes out, everyone will rise up alongside them because they secretly believe what they do.

 

Going to look at more of this thread for people who don't understand how establishing motive in a trial works, believe it should be legal to murder people you disagree with and also how this is not a conspiracy forum:

Making shit up, as they always do.

Well who cares. He's gone. Move on to the next grifter.

not even his wife cares he's dead, just let it go

Seeing all the whitewashing for Chucky just goes to show how companies are gonna completely remake Trump's legacy when he croaks.

I am not a lawyer and admittedly don't know much about lawyering, but I don't know that I would argue in court "your honor, my client talked shit and got hit for it"

Yeah, presenting evidence that the victim represented a direct political threat to the existence of the accused doesn't seem like a great prosecution strategy.

See this is funny to me as his defense boils down to him being a bigot

Still dead. Don't care.

So was Hitler btw

As in......like......a hate crime? Is that what they're trying to equate it to?

They just want more excuses and ammo to label the Trans community and allies as terrorists. (More than they already have)

"Your honor, he was targeted because he was a piece of shit."

Yeah, that's what they're trying to do.

In republican America being a hate-filled bigot is a protected class.

The way that naked bigotry and hate-speech from people like Kirks gets treated as merely "political views" annoys me.

"Yeah, I think you're depraved, genetically inferior and that you should burn in hell but that just my politics bro." Gtfo

I hate how that's all they know how to do.....is try to co-opt things from those they persecute.

He lived life as an open and proud Nazi. He died being a Nazi. There's nothing else to say. Any attempt to reform his image is an attempt to pull the same shit white supremacists have been pulling in this country since its inception: "white supremacy is good, actually."

His final words were literally transphobic and racist. And dipshit chuds overplayed their hand by trying to do a cancel culture on anyone who wasn't SOBBING that he was dead. With one mf even saying "they jUST creATed a MillION CharLiE KIrKS" and like yea, they did. A million gifs and photo edits.

Yeah, that was hate-speech.

It's no wonder that the media went real quiet on Luigi as soon as they discovered pretty much everyone was on his side.

Well said, their safe space was taken away from them (at least temporarily). That's why they freaked out and threw that massive tantrum.

I'm gonna entertain the idea if that is the case. Let's say he was killed because of his anti LGBTQ belief. What about it? If you oppress, hate on people because of their identity, etc, some will react by assassination as a matter of survival. Because to them they need to get rid of their oppressor.

Let's put it into context.

If a person of colour succeeded in making sure white people are oppressed. needed to be wiped out, etc You don't think someone of white ethnicity need to kill their oppressor to stop it?

LIke we kinda already have that with people believe in race replacement theory and have killed entire communities because of it.

Victims will always try to get rid of their oppressors.

Dear conservatives

How come the guy who said he was willing to stomach people dying to protect the second amendment is no longer here because somebody decided to exercise their second amendment rights.

Curious

Yeah but mass shootings usually aren't super targeted. This was a white person they would have presumed they would be "safe" around due to his demographic, but that directly targeted one of their own for their hateful speech. White America facing consequences for bigoted, oppressive rhetoric from one of their own?! Unfathomable!

Yes, their goal is to label anything anti-conservative(fascist) as hate speech. They already label antifa "members" as terrorists

95% sure he was killed because he was about to come out against Isreal. Just too many coincidences. I know there's no way the weapon they are claiming killed him was used so that leads me to believe they are lying about more. Pin it on the transgender movement. That will rally the base. This entire thing smells funny.

Don't they have to like, enter evidence from the accused guy's POV?

Would be wild to get to beyond a reasonable doubt just because a person in the LGBTQ sphere killed a person with standard republican views.

Is this supposed to draw sympathy from the jury or something? It's honestly kind of a bad look.

Nobody's mourning this dead Nazi.

I don't get it, the prosecution is saying Charlie Kirk, unprompted, actively tried to exert influence and organize opposition against people on an ideological level, people that he doesn't even know but he opposes their beliefs solely on the ground of his own beliefs and not due to any actual transgression that took place...

...and they think this helps their case? I don't understand. In other words, the prosecution is pointing out that he was messing with other people and making their lives worse because he personally felt like it. How does that help them defend this idiot?

It sounds like building it up this way could end up bolstering a "temporary insanity" defense, the more antagonistic and bombastic they make him sound.

hope this comment isn't breaking any rules. charlie kirk's views were violence. when asked his stance on guns, he is okay with gun violence being the cost for keeping guns. if there is one person everyone should all agree, even if you liked the guy, that we shouldn't make the biggest fuss about dying to gun violence (the kind of public fuss right wingers are making, i wouldn't deny them grief), it's charlie kirk. if there's an afterlife and he's realizing how he died, he should be greeted with a reggie fils aime shrug. like bro, you preached this shit.

Hate speech can be politics I guess?

Also:

Yeah when someone is murdered for being a piece of shit the prosecutor will still point out all of that in their case. But as I pointed out earlier, it's also just basic motive establishing. One of the 3 tenants of a prosecutors case; means, motive and opportunity.

[benji]

And now for our feature presentation. Please enjoy Nepenthe suggesting not just organizing strikes at disc manufacturers (lol wat) but also doxxxing and making violent threats in person against Sony executives in your area:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamerant-playstation-fans-arrange-boycott-over-digital-only-approach-calls-to-keep-ps-consoles-offline-from-august-23-to-august-30.1591312/page-4#post-158580670

There's multiple problems with this from an organizational standpoint:

First, what is the percentage of Sony console owners worldwide actually plugged in to the entire scandal to make a simple blackout worth it? What percentage of owners are just households that bought the console for their children? Do they care? How has this controversy penetrated in other major markets like Japan? Is there any coordination with Japanese fans also upset about this? What are the numbers?

Second, how are you going to get the word out on the ground to further raise awareness to boost those numbers? Are you going to have campaigns and protests at conventions, tournaments, speedrun events, etc.? What about campaigns to bolster purchases of multiplatform games on other consoles?

Third, are you in league with people actually in the disc manufacturing industry?! Are you talking to them? Do you know their stories? Are you interested in coordinating strikes at plants? Actual solidarity with the people who physically make the thing you want to keep purchasing would go a very long way to really making Sony pay attention!

So would actually going after Sony directly! Protest at their offices! Protest at their homes! Do you even know the names and residences of Sony leadership in your region? Plenty of direct action you can do, and I'll leave it up to your imagination on what that looks like in other ways.

All in all, the issue with boycotts in the gaming industry is that gaming is one of the ultimate consumer hobbies, and underneath a neoliberal paradigm of living, consumption has become the primary mode of expressing identity and morality, which is stupid. Not buying something in a vacuum, or even coordinating not buying something with thousands of people in a consumer base of millions, will not get you what you want. Getting off your butt to inconvenience and scare the shit out of capitalists in the real world is how you get what you want. The gaming space sorely lacks professional agitators and organizers (as does Western life in general) who have been trained and have become knowledgeable on what it takes to confront capital directly.

So, you know, good luck.

Unsub from PS+, Buy only physical games if there's something you really want to play on a PlayStation, do not buy DLC unless you absolutely have to, If you have to buy a digital only game then buy it in another ecosystem if possible. If you only have a PlayStation (which is insane to me) then try to hold off on buying digital only game at least until the boycott is over.

This should be the real movement. But I support moves like this too. A real statement would be a decent amount of digital only gamers holding off on purchasing big games in solidarity with the people that are pissed off about what's going on.

The real movement needs to be material actions by an organized unit that either cause enough of economic consequence, a public relations consequence, or consequences that feel personal (ideally all three) that force Sony to address the issue, and these actions should be sustained in perpetuity until the demands are met for the resumption of disc production. You need to get news organizations and moms and pops talking about this. You need the professional gaming community to ban Sony consoles and exclusives from their events. You need to organize protests at these peoples' houses. Because right now, they don't care.

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[HaughtyFrank]

tenants

I don't care what others say, still a strong Nolan movie

[benji]

"Gamers Rise Up" - Nepenthe, unironically

[Boredfrom]

Do you even know the names and residences of Sony leadership in your region?

[Boredfrom]

I don't get it, the prosecution is saying Charlie Kirk, unprompted, actively tried to exert influence and organize opposition against people on an ideological level, people that he doesn't even know but he opposes their beliefs solely on the ground of his own beliefs and not due to any actual transgression that took place...

...and they think this helps their case? I don't understand. In other words, the prosecution is pointing out that he was messing with other people and making their lives worse because he personally felt like it. How does that help them defend this idiot?

Do you understand that doesn’t excuse murder? A premeditated one?

[benji]

That's not the only post in that thread who seem to think the job of prosecutors prosecuting a murder is to defend the person who was murdered. That there should be a presumption that the accused is allowed to murder someone and the prosecutor is supposed to show otherwise. 

edit: These two are great:

I am not a lawyer and admittedly don't know much about lawyering, but I don't know that I would argue in court "your honor, my client talked shit and got hit for it"

Yeah, presenting evidence that the victim represented a direct political threat to the existence of the accused doesn't seem like a great prosecution strategy.

[Let's Cyber]

B-Dubs just went on a banspree for people posting cartoon guillotine gifs in another thread but Nep imploring posters to go to people's homes and leaving the rest up to your imagination "what that looks like in other ways" is totally cool.