Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Don't go chasing waterfalls. Please, stick to the rivers and lakes you are used to.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/order-of-the-sinking-star-a-game-by-jonathan-blow-will-release-on-oct-8-on-pc-switch-2-and-ps5.1607197/page-3#post-159299833

Every time his game is posted here it is just 90% shitting on blow. I wholeheartedly agree with shitting on him but it kinda begs the question why it hasn't been banned like others games with shitty creators were.

It's only a few games that were ever banned - to my recollection CP2077 and Hogwarts Legacy, there might be 1 or 2 more. Other than like, porn games I mean.

We have had discussions about whether other games should be (KCD2, Atomic Heart, all of microsoft collectively; but there were others too), however the policy appears to be that they're ok to make threads about but it's also permissible to make every thread just be about the controversy.

I'm not a fan of that compromise, I think it encourages conflict in the community in an undesirable way, but it is what it is.

I agree. Like what would even be the point to having an OT about this game? Either threadmark and link a controversy thread to keep the discussion separate from the game, or ban the game. This just invites toxicity.

Putting staff in danger.

Welcoming bonfire:

They need us to know he's just a guy, like all the other guys who say dumb stuff to get a reaction sometimes. Should we dislike EVERY hateful conspiracy theorist who implies women are biologically inferior? Is that fair to mr puzzle man? He's just asking questions because he's a smart guy. Who else is out there making puzzle games and blowing smoke up their own ass like him after all

LOL

hey man, like just separate the (art) from the (artist).

Sometimes I truly envy people who are able to compartmentalize without any shred of guilt or awareness.

The Witness is a top 5 of all time for me so I can't wait for this. Blow's a prick sure, but many of our favourite games are made by pricks, most of them just know to shut the f up on social media

that's one way to justify this decision lol.

edit - no one is asking you to explain why you're going to play this. the fact that you felt the need to make the comment suggests at least a little bit of guilt.

Imagine supporting Blow in 2026, imagine that.

Other than maybe Notch it's hard to think of any gaming figure that I despise as much as I do this POS.

I got some ex Blizz and some at [REDACTED] for sure but the thing is that is literally just a list of criminals he's hovering around

There are so many games coming out every day/week/month/year that it's really not that hard to avoid games that are made by people that are this outwardly, proudly terrible.

Separating the art from the artist only works when the artist in question is dead. You can't separate a Blow or a Rowling from their art because any time you hand money over to them for their art you are actively funding all of their hateful shit.

I opened the thread thinking of SAM BARLOW and got confused for a sec. I remember Barlow also had a new game announced recently.

"Its impossible to avoid buying things made by terrible people" is fucking absurd already, but in the Indie puzzle space? Get outta here.

Puzzle games are such a small niche in gaming that it's a real shame people are out here in the year of our Lord 2026 defending fucking Jonathan Blow instead of lifting up smaller creators.

Boycotting this.

Nah if you're buying this game you're a lame.

nah, fuck this game.

No, thanks

I have not heard one single thing about this game until now.

It just says so, so much that the individual designers whose work make up this game have all distanced themselves from Blow and the project. Hard pass.

The zeitgeist of the video game community.

I too was confused by the lack of women in my profession, but I did some reading, https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262535182/programmed-inequality/

In 1944, Britain led the world in electronic computing. By 1974, the British computer industry was all but extinct.
...
That failure sprang from the government's systematic neglect of its largest trained technical workforce simply because they were women. Women were a hidden engine of growth in high technology from World War II to the 1960s. As computing experienced a gender flip, becoming male-identified in the 1960s and 1970s, labor problems grew into structural ones and gender discrimination caused the nation's largest computer user—the civil service and sprawling public sector—to make decisions that were disastrous for the British computer industry and the nation as a whole.
...
Programmed Inequality shows how the disappearance of women from the field had grave macroeconomic consequences for Britain, and why the United States risks repeating those errors in the twenty-first century.

[benji]

"Did the UK computer industry collapse after the war because IBM (and others) significantly displaced all competitors?"

"No, it must be discrimination against women in the civil service."

[benji]

Hicks is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.[17]

They are currently working on a book about the gendered nature of digital infrastructure and the intersections between queerness and resistance in the history of digital computing.

"Hacking the Cis-tem" IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (March 2019)

Looked at the academic reviews of the book:

And then … oh, how to write this without seeming like a dinosaur? ‘A technocratic heteronormativity relied on the structures of patriarchy and the nuclear family to produce the ideal staff for Britain’s modernizing, information-based economy’, she writes. This is, sorry, not just an inelegant sentence but also ridiculous. Does she mean that a civil service committee sat and deliberated that the post-1945 world would best be served by excluding gay and lesbian people and reinforcing a world in which father, mother and two or three children was the way to technological success? Obviously not. Queer people had an appalling time, in all walks of life until … well, still today in many areas, but it’s better than it was for most. It is not evidence of a conspiracy; it is evidence of how white men in the UK – as well as in the US and many other countries – vigorously discriminated for years against women, people of colour, Jews, LGBTQ þ people and people with disabilities. Fortunately, by 2018, we are better than that, though in many cases the improvement is only marginal.

But at Bletchley Park in World War Two gay men such as Alan Turing thrived and – within the bounds of the need for secrecy and compartmentalised security – were celebrated by their colleagues.

That sentence.    

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uhh-trans-spider-woman-has-been-blowing-up.1604377/page-4#post-159304306

For a site that hates Twitter, they seem to be okay with using it to post their fetish characters (because, curiously, Petra is a lesbian   ).

Maybe this could convince Marvel that Peter Parker being a perpetual loser is not the best idea and just appeal to some bad demographics.

[normalindividual]

Zeo has a bizarre amount of rage in him.  He really needs to chill out and buy himself some more cats.

[filler]

Zeo has a bizarre amount of rage in him.  He really needs to chill out and buy himself some more cats.

not the type of pussy he needs to be buying tbh 

[Besticus Maximus]

bet he pays girls to talk about their fannies to him

[HaughtyFrank]

While I don’t doubt they are using AI… why we are pretending that studios like Mihoyo didn’t exist beforehand?

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Cheap labor is the answer.  

It's funny that as a forum that hates AI they also completely overestimate AI. If AI would allow devs to have the same production schedule as one of those Chinese gacha devs every western developer would be all over it.

[HaughtyFrank]

Hicks is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.[17]

They are currently working on a book about the gendered nature of digital infrastructure and the intersections between queerness and resistance in the history of digital computing.

"Hacking the Cis-tem" IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (March 2019)

I just knew that it had to be someone trans. That whenever you hear about a woman in programming it turns out she's trans doesn't really help with the perception that men are better at it.

Blow just needs to come out and all is forgiven 

[filler]

bet he pays girls to talk about their fannies to him

[NekoFever]

"Did the UK computer industry collapse after the war because IBM (and others) significantly displaced all competitors?"

"No, it must be discrimination against women in the civil service."

The extinction of the British computer industry by 1974 will be news to anyone who grew up here in the 80s, when we had the highest home computer ownership rates in the world, driven by UK companies like Sinclair, Acorn, Amstrad, etc.

That Acorn RISC Machine architecture went on to do alright for itself I think.

[NekoFever]

"Did the UK computer industry collapse after the war because IBM (and others) significantly displaced all competitors?"

"No, it must be discrimination against women in the civil service."

The extinction of the British computer industry by 1974 will be news to anyone who grew up here in the 80s, when we had the highest home computer ownership rates in the world, driven by UK companies like Sinclair, Acorn, Amstrad, etc.

That Acorn RISC Machine architecture went on to do alright for itself I think.

User banned (2 months): Dismissing concerns of sexism

[benji]

I just knew that it had to be someone trans. That whenever you hear about a woman in programming it turns out she's trans doesn't really help with the perception that men are better at it.

Blow just needs to come out and all is forgiven 

Actually, it's a mid-to-late 40's white woman who's only ever published about women and in feminist journalists who wants you now to know she's not like the other girls:


Her programming experience, that she proudly points to in all her profiles, was nearly a year of being a UNIX sysadmin after undergrad at Harvard back in 2001. Her degrees are all in History, and she's been a history academic ever since.

But around 2019 she seems to have shifted her focus:

My upcoming book project looks at instances of resistance to large hegemonic digital systems, and includes chapters on the long history of transphobic algorithmic bias, and the connections between computing and queer history.

"Hacking the Cis-tem" IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (March 2019)
This paper looks at the case of transgender Britons who tried to correct the gender listed on their government-issued ID cards, but ran up against the British government's increasingly computerized methods for tracking, identifying, and defining citizens. These newly computerizing systems show some of the earliest examples of transphobic algorithmic bias: explicit attempts to program trans people out of the system can be seen in the programming of the early Ministry of Pensions computer system designed to apportion benefits to all tax paying British citizens. Transgender citizens pushed back against these developments, attempting to hack the bureaucratic avenues and categories available to them, laying the groundwork for a coalescing political movement. This paper argues that uncovering the deep prehistory of algorithmic bias and investigating instances of resistance within this history is essential to understanding current debates about algorithmic bias, and how computerized systems have long functioned to create and enforce norms and hierarchies.
If you are unable to access the final version of the article served on IEEE because you do not have institutional access to it, you may read a preprint draft here.

She's an idiot about the new thing in her supposed field:

And Taylor Lorenz-like about COVID:

Spoiler: She blocked the person she was replying to here for dismissing concerns about Fauci's mass murder (click to show)(click to hide)

[Uncle]

   

[Uncle]

Actually, it's a mid-to-late 40's white woman who's only ever published about women and in feminist journalists who wants you now to know she's not like the other girls:

more and more I've run into the sentiment that all non binary people are trans, because they were assigned-female-at-birth but they're not female, they're uncategorizable third thing, they transitioned from female to other thing

for example dipshits arguing about the digital circus

"jax is the only trans character and he's bad representation"

"first of all it's she, and second of all zooble is non binary so you're wrong"

[benji]

The extinction of the British computer industry by 1974 will be news to anyone who grew up here in the 80s, when we had the highest home computer ownership rates in the world, driven by UK companies like Sinclair, Acorn, Amstrad, etc.

That Acorn RISC Machine architecture went on to do alright for itself I think.

She's really talking specifically about the mainframe industry and the claim that the UK led the world is one of those true but only in spirit claims. It's based purely on the Colossus which was a secret military-only thing and was about to be surpassed by ENIAC which was public and the start of a commercial industry.

If you want an actual government policy that stunted the UK mainframe industry it was probably that the government owned and broke up the machines at the end of the war to keep them secret while the US military only ever owned the total machine designs not the components in the first place so essentially wouldn't have been able to stop companies like Rand and IBM from selling them as happened. But it's mostly questionable that the UK even had a computer industry that could have stopped IBM, none of the competitors in the US ever could either even when they had advantages in the tech or capital.

It's frankly an absurd premise that had the UK government just prioritized civil service women somehow the industry would have spawned a company that could take on one of the world's most dominant corporations that brutally crushed all its competitors until the industry shifted. And whose dominance was based largely on its service contracts.

[BIONIC]

Why Zeo needs to overreact to any Mahvel criticism. If some asshole has bad or good taste contrary at your tastes… just let it be.

Lmao

[benji]

👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇

 

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[Straight Edge]

Hicks is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns.[17]

They are currently working on a book about the gendered nature of digital infrastructure and the intersections between queerness and resistance in the history of digital computing.

"Hacking the Cis-tem" IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (March 2019)

I just knew that it had to be someone trans. That whenever you hear about a woman in programming it turns out she's trans doesn't really help with the perception that men are better at it.

Blow just needs to come out and all is forgiven 

I’ve met 3 transfolx IRL and they were all in IT

[Boredfrom]

Why Zeo needs to overreact to any Mahvel criticism. If some asshole has bad or good taste contrary at your tastes… just let it be.

Lmao

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/am-i-alone-in-mostly-resenting-gta6-more-than-being-excited-for-it-as-a-former-gta-fan.1607836/

I've felt this way for a long while now, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone else express similar sentiments as my own when it comes to Grand Theft Auto 6.



While most of the world seems to be experiencing record-levels of hype and anticipation for this game, I've mostly only ever felt resentment toward it. I resent that Rockstar milked GTAV for over a decade with their evergreen online mode that printed money via MTX. I resent that after all this time it's only getting a digital release. I resent that many of the people that were the driving force behind the GTA games back when I loved them are no longer with the company. It's mostly nothing but negative feelings towards this garguantuan, long overdue game on my end.







Please understand: I loved every prior GTA game. The legendary run of the PS2 trilogy was something I'm so happy to have experienced firsthand as it happened in my teen years, and the staggering quality and ambition of both GTA4 and 5 on the PS3 (and beyond) had me hooked for months as an adult. Like many others, I always felt that Rockstar made by far the best open-world games that felt far more detailed and hand-crafted and less bloated with repetition than most other games in the genre. And that very well might end up being the case for GTA6 as well when it finally releases, but I just feel too angry at the path it has taken to release to want to play it and support them.



We got Vice City (my favorite in the series) less than a year after GTA3. And I know that was a different time (and that was insane turnaround even for the time), but I just can't square present-day Rockstar with the Rockstar that did that. Present-day Rockstar was content to just re-release GTAV three times while raking in money with its MTX-riddled online mode. They were happy to skip an entire fucking console generation without even attempting to make a new entry. From a financial standpoint, obviously I can understand. But from an artistic standpoint, it all feels hollow to me in a way that the old GTA games never did. They always felt like this rare, perfect blend of artistic and technical ambition with some of the broadest overall appeal of any game series out there. GTA6 doesn't feel like that to me, and it's mostly because of how long they took to even attempt making it and how they're going about finally releas
ing it.

[Snoopy]

The retard’s thread backfires

Hm, maybe "resent" is too strong of a word, judging by people's reactions so far in this thread.

I guess what I "resent" is that I'm not excited for what should've been one of my most anticipated games ever because of the road it has taken to get here and the circumstances under which it's finally releasing. And like someone else said earlier, I do kind of resent that GTAO was popular enough to basically allow for no new GTA games to be made in over a decade. But I get that that's not Rockstar's fault, really.

Basically, my feelings probably shouldn't be as laser-targeted toward Rockstar themselves and should be more just generally annoyed with the state of modern AAA game development, online gaming, and billions being made by MTX all coming together to prevent us from getting new entries in great franchises at a more respectable clip like we used to.

Although I do legitimately resent Rockstar for going digital-only after all this time for such a landmark release. That I won't forgive one iota, and honestly don't bother posing a counterargument for that one. I don't wanna hear it. Just look at how the only complete versions of the old GTA games are the original disc releases because of the games being stripped of music gradually over the years as licenses expired. Fuck that.

[thebore]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/am-i-alone-in-mostly-resenting-gta6-more-than-being-excited-for-it-as-a-former-gta-fan.1607836/

I've felt this way for a long while now, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone else express similar sentiments as my own when it comes to Grand Theft Auto 6.



While most of the world seems to be experiencing record-levels of hype and anticipation for this game, I've mostly only ever felt resentment toward it. I resent that Rockstar milked GTAV for over a decade with their evergreen online mode that printed money via MTX. I resent that after all this time it's only getting a digital release. I resent that many of the people that were the driving force behind the GTA games back when I loved them are no longer with the company. It's mostly nothing but negative feelings towards this garguantuan, long overdue game on my end.







Please understand: I loved every prior GTA game. The legendary run of the PS2 trilogy was something I'm so happy to have experienced firsthand as it happened in my teen years, and the staggering quality and ambition of both GTA4 and 5 on the PS3 (and beyond) had me hooked for months as an adult. Like many others, I always felt that Rockstar made by far the best open-world games that felt far more detailed and hand-crafted and less bloated with repetition than most other games in the genre. And that very well might end up being the case for GTA6 as well when it finally releases, but I just feel too angry at the path it has taken to release to want to play it and support them.



We got Vice City (my favorite in the series) less than a year after GTA3. And I know that was a different time (and that was insane turnaround even for the time), but I just can't square present-day Rockstar with the Rockstar that did that. Present-day Rockstar was content to just re-release GTAV three times while raking in money with its MTX-riddled online mode. They were happy to skip an entire fucking console generation without even attempting to make a new entry. From a financial standpoint, obviously I can understand. But from an artistic standpoint, it all feels hollow to me in a way that the old GTA games never did. They always felt like this rare, perfect blend of artistic and technical ambition with some of the broadest overall appeal of any game series out there. GTA6 doesn't feel like that to me, and it's mostly because of how long they took to even attempt making it and how they're going about finally releas
ing it.

The fact this dude has a child is mindboggling. Poor kid.

[Uncle]

oh my god it's thebore himself, he's actually here

[Steven Snell]

Apparently she's got a nice pussy though.

Correct. Hard to believe but yes.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-are-you-german-or-autistic.1607677/page-3#post-159319165

aspies got mad

[HaughtyFrank]

Gonna skip this one because of Lucas.

Lucas and Ayoade both make this an easy skip. I feel sorry for the other comedians.

Guess I'll be rewatching an old favorite season instead of this each week. Hope Isy Suttie wins so I can at least watch her on Champion of Champions.

The two dudes on the cast are both pretty insufferable, which is a shame

Lol Matt Lucas.

I am out

https://www.resetera.com/threads/taskmaster-season-22-trailer-sep-3-chloe-petts-isy-suttie-matt-lucas-nina-conti-richard-ayoade.1608076/

Dinky about to shoot himself because in every thread he makes people just talk about how much they hate the people involved

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-are-you-german-or-autistic.1607677/page-3#post-159319165

aspies got mad

I took did the quiz and got 20% German and 7% autistic. 

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-are-you-german-or-autistic.1607677/page-3#post-159319165

aspies got mad

I took did the quiz and got 20% German and 7% autistic. 

I feel like this post was specifically designed to rile up both Germans, and autists.  How did you get 27%

I got 56% German, 44% autistic, for a general score of Both.