Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[benji]

The "non-bigots" disclaimer is the most important to his argument, it automatically rules out anyone who doesn't believe trans women are women and female. (Or rather, that women are not inherently female.) That's the way to exclude the fairness concern that women only compete with women. Males participating is inherently unfair and so are excluded as a class. But this is bigotry and so not a good faith concern.

"Fun, exercise and competition" are all irrelevant, this is trying to impose some "higher" reasons on why women are or aren't allowed to have spaces and places only for women. But he's already categorically ruled this out so it's extra irrelevant.

All the complication is coming from people attempting to circumvent a simple rule by being dishonest. You can see it clearly when you frame the question as "can women exclude men?" He'd say "yes, but these are women, so they cannot exclude them on those grounds." He's already snuck in the additional premise without debate in a way that answers the question with "no" while saying "yes."

There's no possible compromise because the actual question is "can males be women?" And the answers on this are incompatible with each other. Which is why he has bypass this question by declaring any answer but "yes" to be bigotry.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-part-2-i-waited-but-it-didnt-matter-ending-spoilers.1611550/page-2#post-159502957

 User banned (permanent): use of blatantly antisemitic rhetoric, account in junior phase

For your consideration:



The guy made a game trying to critically examine his own reaction to the Ramallah Lynching of 2000. This post (which he since deleted and instead posted a set of donations to both Israeli and Palestinian relief orgs) makes it clear that he didn't examine his beliefs quite critically enough. Because after Oct. 7 - he'd obviously still bought into the line about Israel's "right to defend itself".

I enjoy the game too and have spilled a lot of ink defending it. But perhaps don't jump down people's throats when where's a wealth of evidence that the guy's views haven't changed nearly as much as he'd like to believe they have. It's clear there's still a long way to go for him, and in light of this it's perfectly okay to question if Part II was a bit of a premature game for him to make.

Yes, the IDF stand in in the game isn't presented in the best light in the modern day - but it's also worth noting that The WLF's struggle early on is presented as fairly unambiguously righteous. Their origin story is a clear cut retelling of the zionist militias driving the British (FEDRA) out of the city that were subjugating its citizens, and then turning around and ghettoizing a rival religious faction once FEDRA was finally out of the way.

Thanks for the screenshot. Lil Zio Neil don't even have a single tweet with the word genocide or Gaza in it when I tried searching earlier lol. What a coward.

I wonder if he'll start accusing people who don't like his shitty thinly veiled Zionist propaganda games of being Hamas much like Israel and IDF do to everyone who dares mentions their warcrimes.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Member only:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-place-to-safely-vent-about-your-daily-work-frustrations-the-sequel.1609603/#post-159424126

My time in marketing almost killed me from lack of purpose in this world. It is such a fake industry where every metric is garbage usually changed on the fly.

Now I'm on a grant doing nonprofit stuff. Have "lost" my job twice due to Trump suddenly cutting grant funding overnight.

My boss loves AI but can't make a decision to save his life.

I just want useful, good work. I want to matter. I feel so old and alone at 42. I know I still have time to help people but… I'm… so…. Sad.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-place-to-safely-vent-about-your-daily-work-frustrations-the-sequel.1609603/#post-159425002

I was going to go back to grad school for psychology and that's why I was so excited to work at this university too. But losing my job twice randomly then getting it back randomly, AI, divorce, how pointless my job is… I gave up awhile ago.

I got some really cute cats and good technology and books to lose myself in. I'm officially done with the world. Any future pain will be self inflicted.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-place-to-safely-vent-about-your-daily-work-frustrations-the-sequel.1609603/#post-159458446

Is the stuff you're doing for nonprofit marketing-adjacent? Do you find it more fulfilling?

Because I'm thinking yeah, working in marketing is what ails me too.

I'm doing their communications. It's less of a clique/high school social posturing than corporate life. But fulfilling our metrics can replace doing the best work for some people though I think we're all traumatized in various ways by what's happening broadly now cause we're a federal grant.

Marketing pays extremely well (or extremely poorly if you're new/lower tier) for the most fake of all jobs I've encountered. Website banner ads will never get clicked and are on shady sites but your boss and other people will act like it's the most serious thing in the world and curing cancer.

The fake-ness of this was tolerable until Covid and all that's happened since. It made me acutely aware that my one precious life was slipping away daily even as I made six figures for really nothing.

But yeah, I do find my job a lot more fulfilling. They don't really need a communications person so I've picked up some other stuff like running some trainings and I had a really successful one Thursday that jazzed me up from a huge life funk.

I did marketing both agency then quit and got hired by my main client so in-house then. Both sucked but both companies had awful cultures that got worse and worse. A good one might be tolerable.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-part-2-i-waited-but-it-didnt-matter-ending-spoilers.1611550/page-2#post-159502957

 User banned (permanent): use of blatantly antisemitic rhetoric, account in junior phase

For your consideration:



The guy made a game trying to critically examine his own reaction to the Ramallah Lynching of 2000. This post (which he since deleted and instead posted a set of donations to both Israeli and Palestinian relief orgs) makes it clear that he didn't examine his beliefs quite critically enough. Because after Oct. 7 - he'd obviously still bought into the line about Israel's "right to defend itself".

I enjoy the game too and have spilled a lot of ink defending it. But perhaps don't jump down people's throats when where's a wealth of evidence that the guy's views haven't changed nearly as much as he'd like to believe they have. It's clear there's still a long way to go for him, and in light of this it's perfectly okay to question if Part II was a bit of a premature game for him to make.

Yes, the IDF stand in in the game isn't presented in the best light in the modern day - but it's also worth noting that The WLF's struggle early on is presented as fairly unambiguously righteous. Their origin story is a clear cut retelling of the zionist militias driving the British (FEDRA) out of the city that were subjugating its citizens, and then turning around and ghettoizing a rival religious faction once FEDRA was finally out of the way.

Thanks for the screenshot. Lil Zio Neil don't even have a single tweet with the word genocide or Gaza in it when I tried searching earlier lol. What a coward.

I wonder if he'll start accusing people who don't like his shitty thinly veiled Zionist propaganda games of being Hamas much like Israel and IDF do to everyone who dares mentions their warcrimes.

The fact that he still gets called slurs because he decided to avoid the issue entirely should tell you that he is not the one that should have his views evolved.

Because after Oct. 7 - he'd obviously still bought into the line about Israel's "right to defend itself".

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/funniest-jameson-moments-from-the-raimi-spider-man-movies.1612753/#post-159547999

"That's your problem Mr. Jameson, you don't trust anyone."

"I trust my barber." His delivery gets me every time

The best part is he really shouldn't trust his barber because DAMN

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/funniest-jameson-moments-from-the-raimi-spider-man-movies.1612753/#post-159549586

Peter: "That's slander!"
Jameson: "It is not. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel."

It's funny because he's absolutely right lol

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-poster-for-ali-g-who-iz-i-trailer-tomorrow.1612042/#post-159527344

Do as you please, I just said you don't care enough. Maybe I'm wrong but these threads keep reappearing with Ali fucking G trying to sanewash his image.

What a massive cunt.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-part-2-i-waited-but-it-didnt-matter-ending-spoilers.1611550/page-2#post-159502957

 User banned (permanent): use of blatantly antisemitic rhetoric, account in junior phase

For your consideration:



The guy made a game trying to critically examine his own reaction to the Ramallah Lynching of 2000. This post (which he since deleted and instead posted a set of donations to both Israeli and Palestinian relief orgs) makes it clear that he didn't examine his beliefs quite critically enough. Because after Oct. 7 - he'd obviously still bought into the line about Israel's "right to defend itself".

I enjoy the game too and have spilled a lot of ink defending it. But perhaps don't jump down people's throats when where's a wealth of evidence that the guy's views haven't changed nearly as much as he'd like to believe they have. It's clear there's still a long way to go for him, and in light of this it's perfectly okay to question if Part II was a bit of a premature game for him to make.

Yes, the IDF stand in in the game isn't presented in the best light in the modern day - but it's also worth noting that The WLF's struggle early on is presented as fairly unambiguously righteous. Their origin story is a clear cut retelling of the zionist militias driving the British (FEDRA) out of the city that were subjugating its citizens, and then turning around and ghettoizing a rival religious faction once FEDRA was finally out of the way.

Thanks for the screenshot. Lil Zio Neil don't even have a single tweet with the word genocide or Gaza in it when I tried searching earlier lol. What a coward.

I wonder if he'll start accusing people who don't like his shitty thinly veiled Zionist propaganda games of being Hamas much like Israel and IDF do to everyone who dares mentions their warcrimes.

I can't believe ResetEra banned Marvel

[Boredfrom]

Just want to point out, for the record, that "zio" is a term likely popularized by David Duke.

People have been using Israel's genocide to get real accomodated with couching genuine antisemitism into their criticism of said genocide. Maybe don't do this.

My dude, what do you expect when you post lovely stuff like “makes it clear that he didn't examine his beliefs quite critically enough” because he didn’t say kumbaya after a terror attack. You guys, rightfully, would get mad if someone says that why a normal Palestine doesn’t think critically enough after a bombardment.  

I use it because writing anything with negative connotations on reddit/instagram/etc with the word Zionist immediately gets your comment shadowbanned or your account flat out banned for "antisemitism", so I got used to writing it as Zio/Z!onist. Also sometimes helps with Twitter's characters limits.

Unfortunate that antisemites are using this to be hateful towards people who practice Judaism. Lots of Palestinians I follow on social media use "Zio" for similar reasons I mentioned.

 

Sure buddy, you were not anti semitic.

[benji]

Funny that just posting "Zio" can get you banned for anti-semitism but not posting a bunch of crazy shit as long as you don't use the wrong word.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gta-6-gameplay-clips-being-leaked-online-by-hacker-various-amounts-of-footage-available-may-be-nsfw.1607140/page-225#post-159551836

Ok, nevermind. Im fully back on this is all a R market ploy. This is the clever marketing Straus had mentioned. The redditor who filmed the R lawyers coming to his door is all part of the scheme

I saw those and I thought they were very suspect yeah.

One of the things that caught my eye was simply the date in that Redditor's username. 1970.

I just checked literally writing this post and Sam Houser, for instance, was born November 1971. So a person born 1970 and is over there physically located near their headquarters who's "a friend of a friend" does seem awfully, awfully suspicious. Especially in conjunction with everything else I've been trying to point out in regards to the conspicuousness of it all this whole time. Not saying it has to be a direct association to head honcho big wig, but that un date use would be the kind of age I'd associate top dogs to be around their business.

I am very suspicious of this being a clandestine thing planned in the most secretive halls at the highest levels of their biz. That maybe only a select few high level people know.

Had some other ideas too, but I've kept them to myself. We are sure to find out either way.

The thing is, if it really is guerrilla marketing kayfabe, what happens with the cryptocurrency? That's the big thing that begs the question/really complicates it. The crypto profit motive/rug pull potential. Because yes, I don't know how you square it against that idea as various people and I have discussed in here.

But everything else around it has been super super suspicious to me. Same with Strauss Zelnick's implication of them doing some creative marketing for this, yes.

Surely Thursday will be the real answer?

E: My thinking mostly is rogue employee that's just very savvy is directly involved somehow seeking far greater personal enrichment + may also have an external contact(s), as the signature is what most kind of implies it/an external build seems too hard to believe. But the guerrilla marketing kayfabe conspiracy still hasn't exited my brain even after everything that absolutely does pour cold water on it lmao. You really cannot dispute the crypto, the subpoenas, and Jason's direct reporting of developers rightfully being pissed the fuck off.

Same with the idea of an external "hacker" penetrating in who somehow nabbed this specific clipped playsession sitting somewhere pre-recorded + created this goofy ass yet obviously considered persona against the same word they just happened to see, which just coincidentally is a pun for the whole thing. That they just should have been way too guarded against this very bullshit for that to believably happen to me either.

[BIONIC]

Benji/Uncle(!) content:

Don't really want to get involved in the AI argument, but it should be fairly obvious why policy exceptions are made for major video game releases on a video game forum, should it not?

I understand why the exception exists from a practical standpoint, but I don't know why that makes it a good policy. If anything I'd expect us to hold major publishers to a higher standard.

What's actually more problematic? A solo indie developer with no income using AI because they can't afford an artist, or a billion dollar corporation using it to reduce labour costs? Because right now it feels like we're applying the harshest standard to the people with the fewest resources, while making exceptions for the companies with the most.

Because it’s also an issue of moderation. The staff have to find a line between either extreme and the one they’ve found seems to be working pretty well short of people coming in here and being like “shouldn’t all Capcom games be in the same thread then hmm?” which is a take that’s hard to see as being made in good faith. It should be obvious why we aren’t chucking Battlefield 6, Marvel Rivals, Claire Obscur, and so on into a single thread for their discussion.

It is obvious: this site would collapse into being nonfunctional. More and more over time, probably. Especially if you count coding, chatbot usage etc alongside asset generation, and especially especially if you don't require hard proof per thing and are OK with judging via broad published company policy ("we at <corporation> are excited to use Claude to accelerate blah blah blah"). Everything would be in one thread, except all the threads which were working out what should go in the one thread.

Spoiler: "doomerism, negative vibes, stay out!" (click to show)(click to hide)

But you have to laugh. Unwavering ethics, right up until the rubber hits the road. Insert classic modern warfare 2 steam screenshot here. Excited to not be a moderator!

Spoiler: "offish topic, existential sadness" (click to show)(click to hide)

I am currently working out what to do with a 20+ year career in software development falling down around me, as my entire industry has been infested with a philosophy / tool / addictive substance that I despise. Do I leave, start doing ??? and reset my entire sense of self? Do I "know thy enemy" and attempt to navigate the technology as a technology, especially at the level of seniority my position requires me to operate at, but risk losing what I believe in or getting sucked in to lazy / damaging behaviour? Fuuuuuuck knows. I want to go back 5 years. Actually that was COVID. I want to go back 10 years.

That's it, because fundamentally GenAI coding still works on the theft of people's work (and yes, it can be creative in nature) and is bad for the planet. So you do need to find a line between the extremes on a practical basis when it comes to how to handle the discussion of games on the forum. I don't think the 'unwavering ethics' line comes into it too much honestly. Broader actions have always been more in service of the community than some attempt at making an external impact. Unless you mean on a user basis, but even then people have varying lines. Some people absolutely aren't playing anything with known signs of AI, and I don't blame them for taking "everything is AI" style posts as anything other than being said to them in bad faith. Others dislike AI but it doesn't stop them from playing a game with it (in the same way other issues don't prevent many other people from engaging with those products). There's never going to be a clean cut consensus across a userbase of this size when speaking to individual action.

As for you and dev in general, I feel you. I code in my job and the mandating of AI and its introduction has come from both company and client alike. We're well into the realm of resisting that being of detriment to your job/career, and not only adoption but staying ahead of it is key if you want to advance. I'm fortunate to be senior enough for this particular example to not hit me, but we're already seeing juniors being denied funds for training courses because 'why spend thousands of pounds on this only to be worse at it than a Cursor subscription is today'. Equally it's causing problems. Juniors use AI to produce code that, when it breaks, they don't understand – so it gets passed to a senior to untangle and fix. That doesn't touch anyone at an executive level though, so the march continues. Most people have more to their consideration around work/employment than just making a stand against AI – particularly in one of the initial spaces where it's an existential threat to said job.

[Chumbawumbafan69]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-part-2-i-waited-but-it-didnt-matter-ending-spoilers.1611550/page-2#post-159502957

 User banned (permanent): use of blatantly antisemitic rhetoric, account in junior phase

For your consideration:



The guy made a game trying to critically examine his own reaction to the Ramallah Lynching of 2000. This post (which he since deleted and instead posted a set of donations to both Israeli and Palestinian relief orgs) makes it clear that he didn't examine his beliefs quite critically enough. Because after Oct. 7 - he'd obviously still bought into the line about Israel's "right to defend itself".

I enjoy the game too and have spilled a lot of ink defending it. But perhaps don't jump down people's throats when where's a wealth of evidence that the guy's views haven't changed nearly as much as he'd like to believe they have. It's clear there's still a long way to go for him, and in light of this it's perfectly okay to question if Part II was a bit of a premature game for him to make.

Yes, the IDF stand in in the game isn't presented in the best light in the modern day - but it's also worth noting that The WLF's struggle early on is presented as fairly unambiguously righteous. Their origin story is a clear cut retelling of the zionist militias driving the British (FEDRA) out of the city that were subjugating its citizens, and then turning around and ghettoizing a rival religious faction once FEDRA was finally out of the way.

Thanks for the screenshot. Lil Zio Neil don't even have a single tweet with the word genocide or Gaza in it when I tried searching earlier lol. What a coward.

I wonder if he'll start accusing people who don't like his shitty thinly veiled Zionist propaganda games of being Hamas much like Israel and IDF do to everyone who dares mentions their warcrimes.

Hard to understand what makes this worthy of a permanent ban when it sounds like the average post over there? Unless...

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

She was... cheating on me with Grindr dates

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Cahalith has Fortune's Run 11 hours ago
 
Sorry, this might sound unbearably naive to you at this point, but have you tried reaching out to games journos to get the story out, maybe put some public pressure on? PC Gamer have been following the project more closely over the past couple of years than I expected from mainstream games journalists. I know Valve is famously cagey, but it's not unheard of for other companies to take action once they're put in the PR spotlight.

TheZypherOfTalos has Fortune's Run 53 minutes ago
 
Based on all these comments, honestly it'd be fair if you stopped developing the game permanently. Take care, sorry stuff is crazy, and I'm sorry a lot of these people sit at a computer to be edgelords instead of going outside.

Pretty sure this person doesn't want any sort of media investigation into whatever it was they actually did. 

Edit: post from the Steam forum:

Normal devs: Due to financial circumstances outside of our control, development of [game] must unfortunately cease

Indie devs: I've been in jail twice, my big fat evil ex took all of the money and I have to get the cops' permission to have sex with randoms. There is a vast, divine conspiracy against me and me alone, and for these reasons I must stop the development of [game].

Incredible things going on

[benji]

One of the things that caught my eye was simply the date in that Redditor's username. 1970.

I just checked literally writing this post and Sam Houser, for instance, was born November 1971. So a person born 1970 and is over there physically located near their headquarters who's "a friend of a friend" does seem awfully, awfully suspicious.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gta-6-gameplay-clips-being-leaked-online-by-hacker-various-amounts-of-footage-available-may-be-nsfw.1607140/page-225#post-159551836

Yeah, it's definitely a symbol for deep end far right conspiracy crank types, though there's a lot of overlap at this point.
Really, I love this symbol for these types.

For me, it's almost a fuckin double entendre.

In a more "American" wink sense, the bowtie could be considered an allusion to the Chevrolet bowtie logo. Which, these types are typically quite the Chevy crowd.

In a more "extreme far right wing politics" wink sense, this bowtie could be seen almost like a hint to Dragon Ball's Red Ribbon army.

 

Also I need some Michael Mann style Miami Vice coded missions with Jason and Lucia. Gimme that steamy boat trip to the Cuba equivalent.

I know! I really feel like this movie is "required reading" at this point. Under-rated as hell. They already referenced a couple shots from the movie in the trailers so I bet there's gonna be a lot of vibes lifted here.

Wow, can you imagine if they made a whole game set in Miami full of Miami Vice references? 

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/target-decides-that-it-needs-to-be-ultra-racist-debuts-truly-awful-halloween-%E2%80%9Ccostume%E2%80%9D.1612654/

I would love to see Target go out of business within my life time lol

They really wanna make sure to stay on trump regime's good side huh?

i mean , it was definitely intentional it doesnt make it to stores past that many people

Fuck me, I wasn't expecting it to be so bad. Then again what do you expect from the DEI is bad company.

Target need to do a cleaning out of their marketing and executive branches . Literally , five every single person from the top to bottom .

I'll add that everyone with an MBA probably needs to go, along with any consultants they have hired. Rotting the company from within.

Something like that takes a LOT of eyes and approvals to get to the point of being published. Fuck that company.

This wasn't an accident. There's no fucking way.

Racist motherfuckers and heck, horrible people/companies in general have been trying to push a lot of boundries throughout these last 5-10 years.

They're actively trying to see what they can get away with.

Fun fact . Target was one of the first company to get rid of DEI. How's that going Target . This is why you need DEI in the first place . Decision like this destroy long term planning and bankrupt companies .

I see we're past dog whistles and just using sirens now

lol, well as long as the shares are up.

WOW!!! Their investor are massive Trump supporters . I'm not surprised

And so the boycott continues.

This is what happens when you kill off all of your diversity initiatives. You have no non white people left to turn to execs and say "that's a bad idea."

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I would also have to imagine that's why you kill off all of your diversity initiatives, specifically so that there's no one to stop this.

These motherfuckers love to sneak minstrelsy into everything

Target had one of weirdest heel turns ever.

I noticed folks started getting too comfortable with Target again...and now look.

Hope breaking the boycott was worth it for the shameless black folk who did so.

Man, I remember when Target was like Walmart for liberals. How times change

Racist ain't afraid anymore, that's the problem.

And now we know that Target really gives no fucks about DEI. There's no fucking way in hell that whoever approved this didn't know it was racist as hell.

Glad to continue never stepping foot in that place ever again

I better hear about everyone involved being fired/company going under.

someone in target exec is mad at all the black people signaling they still don't plan to ever return to tar-jay even after the boycott has ended.

maybe they think this will earn points with the maga folks who love Wal-Mart, or maybe they're just showing out for the middle class whites who make up the rest of their customer demographic.

Just straight up ghoulish.

No words. Like most here, I expected bad. Ghoulish.

Speaks to how much we been regressing more and more these days.

The company that says "DEI is bad", shits itself in the market quarter after quarter and still hasn't backed out of "DEI is bad", did not accidentally sell this racist shit.

Edit: and now I can give even more of a side eye to whomever jumps in on Target having sales threads.

There have been a lot of them that have shown their whole ass since Dump became president the first time, but one day there is going to be a study about how to destroy a brand and Target will be at or near the top of that list easily.

Holy fuck. This is so far beyond what I was expecting. Target has fallen so far from what it was even ten years ago in terms of branding.

They knew exactly what they were doing and are hoping to show the racists who they are to get their money. There's no other explanation that makes sense with how blatant this is.

It's definitely intentional winking at the racists. The people who did this knew what they were doing, absolutely.

And yes, racists do love to be called out on their hatred and then claim victimhood.

Crazy thing to prioritize when their company is dying.

Spoiler: someone who is good with economy, help my family company is dying (click to show)(click to hide)

[Jansen]

From constructive

I can see a potentially incoming moderation problem for the GTA leaks thread - people appear to be lobbying for a separate thread for spoilers, as they don't want to see spoilers, but they're in a leak thread already tagged spoilers. I can see trying to have two threads for the same leaks is going to be a problem.

I can get there being a divide between people wanting to see gameplay spoilers (graphics, mechanics, areas) without getting into story spoilers. Considering these are, so far, only ~2 minute clips though I think spoiler tagging story spoilers within the thread should suffice. Isn't hard to do, and allows for both to remain within the same thread. It's not unlikely that when we get the Lucia story leak we may see other leaks in a similar vein to those we've had up to now (like boat or underwater gameplay).

I'm gonna be real, asking people to tag spoilers in a literal spoiler thread is totally absurd. If you don't want to be spoiled, then don't go into the spoiler thread.

Story spoilers mixed in it is then. No real skin off my back, it's just clear from the discussion… everywhere… there's a large difference in the way current general gameplay spoilers are being taken vs. the story spoilers that are due to drop in a day and a half.

Only on this site could users go into a leaks thread and complain about spoilers. Its the very nature of what leaks are... Like, I thought the whole spoiler title thing several pages back was already flimsy but this is just really darn silly lol.





Problem is, what is a gameplay spoiler and what's a story spoiler? Certain vehicles or certain mission types could lean into either, and some might not even realise that one is the other. What if there's a line of dialogue during the gameplay clip which eludes or states something that's happening in the story?

What about the map that supposedly leaked? That's probably story ajacent since you can see the whole map, maybe certain areas in a bit more detail - knowing there's certain areas in the game could absolutely be something you can join the dots to... Its a slippery slope and knowing this site, people will absolutely complain no matter what.

If its a flat out ending cutscene, sure people might wanna give users a heads up, but I just think anyone whose in the leaks thread should be prepared to see... leaks - any sort of leak.

Like I say above it makes little difference to me, I'm responding to the discussion that's been happening in the thread.If you've been following the discussion in various places around the GTA VI leaks then the upcoming Lucia spoilers (titled Lucia [ispoiler]prologue[/ispoiler]) are absolutely being taken as a step further, and as 'story spoilers' relative to what's being shown. People have genuinely been asking for a separate thread for them lol. The phrase "if they start dropping story spoilers" has probably been used thousands of times atp.

Best scenario is to run it like the long running Pokemon leaks thread (which sounds like is what's happening): post everything, but in the lead up to release, courtesy spoiler tag things you regard as story spoilers. But if you end up getting spoiled because you & someone else have a difference in opinion of what is story spoilers, you just gotta grin & bear it as that's the risk of being in a leak thread.



Then when the game actually comes out, a normal spoiler thread can be made. But it's an impossible task to spoiler guard leaks before release.

It's an actual spoiler thread, if you don't want to be spoiled then don't go into it.

At most you could ask OP to specificaly label each leak with "story spoiler" and "gameplay clip" threadmarks.

That's a decent approach imo. I'm watching them either way since it's clear the game is set to be massive beyond the drips we've seen. But there's been a discussion around it (and 'story' spoilers) pretty much the entire length of the past week, so seems a headache might be coming which is all I think [USER=9712]RedbullCola[/USER] was trying to pre-empt. Dropped a note in the thread all the same so people have warning. Thankfully there's a literal countdown to the leak lol.



Edit: Dubs posted in the thread so all's made fully clear at least!

It's cool, people know and will dip if they don't want the Lucia story spoilers. What with someone dropping $6,000 to make it happen it's pretty clear it'll drop so there's a solid amount of forewarning in general. Think mostly people are just curious if we'll see the Beach clip between now and then (I expect we will).

[benji]

Kind of gross to spoil that the leak thread has spoilers. 

[Snoopy]

He's still so desperate to get his hands on that mod position.

Still doesn't get how much Dubs hates him.

[Potato]

Real PlaSma heads know that he’s talking about body dysmorphia not gender dysphoria 

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Though wouldn’t surprise me if he goes down that route at some point

All these retards blend into the one giant cunt of a human for me...

[jooseloose]

He's still so desperate to get his hands on that mod position.

Still doesn't get how much Dubs hates him.

I still want to know what happened to the mod applications they opened months ago and nothing came of it

[Potato]

[quote="Hap Shaughnessy" pid='200990' dateline='1787630046']
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-part-2-i-waited-but-it-didnt-matter-ending-spoilers.1611550/page-2#post-159502957

 User banned (permanent): use of blatantly antisemitic rhetoric, account in junior phase

Oh, so it's only if you're in junior phase that you can't use blatantly anti-Semitic rhetoric. If you're a senior member, you don't get banned?

[HardcoreRetro]

Knowing that there is an entire population of gamers that will be getting to experience this game for the first time makes my heart soar. Tears are flowing.

[Potato]

Knowing that there is an entire population of gamers that will be getting to experience this game for the first time makes my heart soar. Tears are flowing.

Egg post.

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Cum

[Snoopy]

He's still so desperate to get his hands on that mod position.

Still doesn't get how much Dubs hates him.

I still want to know what happened to the mod applications they opened months ago and nothing came of it

I expect every application went something like 

Please make me a mod. I promise not to use the powers to get revenge on people I don’t like

Please make me a mod. I have been making 20 threads a day and am very popular.

Please make me a mod. I am trans

[NekoFever]

I'm pro-socialist/anti-capitalist with an affinity for dialectical materialism. I'm currently reading a Vietnamese college textbook about said philosophy. I still think people should stop being anti-intellectual.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-will-be-your-first-book-of-2026.1395550/

I need to finish Martin the Warrior, but the disjointedness of the conflicts are slowing me down.

[Nintex]

Knowing that there is an entire population of gamers that will be getting to experience this game for the first time makes my heart soar. Tears are flowing.

The world is literally reborn

[normalindividual]

Every one who appears to dream of living in a Communist Utopia always sees themselves as having a comfy job in the politburo.  In reality someone with the personality of Neppy is the type to hear a knock on her door at 3.00 am to be told "Good news comrade a bus is here to take you to work in a coal mine in West Virginia."

[Daffy Duck]

Benji/Uncle(!) content:

Don't really want to get involved in the AI argument, but it should be fairly obvious why policy exceptions are made for major video game releases on a video game forum, should it not?

I understand why the exception exists from a practical standpoint, but I don't know why that makes it a good policy. If anything I'd expect us to hold major publishers to a higher standard.

What's actually more problematic? A solo indie developer with no income using AI because they can't afford an artist, or a billion dollar corporation using it to reduce labour costs? Because right now it feels like we're applying the harshest standard to the people with the fewest resources, while making exceptions for the companies with the most.

Because it’s also an issue of moderation. The staff have to find a line between either extreme and the one they’ve found seems to be working pretty well short of people coming in here and being like “shouldn’t all Capcom games be in the same thread then hmm?” which is a take that’s hard to see as being made in good faith. It should be obvious why we aren’t chucking Battlefield 6, Marvel Rivals, Claire Obscur, and so on into a single thread for their discussion.

It is obvious: this site would collapse into being nonfunctional. More and more over time, probably. Especially if you count coding, chatbot usage etc alongside asset generation, and especially especially if you don't require hard proof per thing and are OK with judging via broad published company policy ("we at <corporation> are excited to use Claude to accelerate blah blah blah"). Everything would be in one thread, except all the threads which were working out what should go in the one thread.

Spoiler: "doomerism, negative vibes, stay out!" (click to show)(click to hide)

But you have to laugh. Unwavering ethics, right up until the rubber hits the road. Insert classic modern warfare 2 steam screenshot here. Excited to not be a moderator!

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I am currently working out what to do with a 20+ year career in software development falling down around me, as my entire industry has been infested with a philosophy / tool / addictive substance that I despise. Do I leave, start doing ??? and reset my entire sense of self? Do I "know thy enemy" and attempt to navigate the technology as a technology, especially at the level of seniority my position requires me to operate at, but risk losing what I believe in or getting sucked in to lazy / damaging behaviour? Fuuuuuuck knows. I want to go back 5 years. Actually that was COVID. I want to go back 10 years.

That's it, because fundamentally GenAI coding still works on the theft of people's work (and yes, it can be creative in nature) and is bad for the planet. So you do need to find a line between the extremes on a practical basis when it comes to how to handle the discussion of games on the forum. I don't think the 'unwavering ethics' line comes into it too much honestly. Broader actions have always been more in service of the community than some attempt at making an external impact. Unless you mean on a user basis, but even then people have varying lines. Some people absolutely aren't playing anything with known signs of AI, and I don't blame them for taking "everything is AI" style posts as anything other than being said to them in bad faith. Others dislike AI but it doesn't stop them from playing a game with it (in the same way other issues don't prevent many other people from engaging with those products). There's never going to be a clean cut consensus across a userbase of this size when speaking to individual action.

As for you and dev in general, I feel you. I code in my job and the mandating of AI and its introduction has come from both company and client alike. We're well into the realm of resisting that being of detriment to your job/career, and not only adoption but staying ahead of it is key if you want to advance. I'm fortunate to be senior enough for this particular example to not hit me, but we're already seeing juniors being denied funds for training courses because 'why spend thousands of pounds on this only to be worse at it than a Cursor subscription is today'. Equally it's causing problems. Juniors use AI to produce code that, when it breaks, they don't understand – so it gets passed to a senior to untangle and fix. That doesn't touch anyone at an executive level though, so the march continues. Most people have more to their consideration around work/employment than just making a stand against AI – particularly in one of the initial spaces where it's an existential threat to said job.

Winds me up so much how he just inserts himself as the voice of the forum, dude just wants to be moderation so bad