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[kaleidoscopium]

This whole discourse lately and parroting of "There's too much content and homework to catch up on!" relating to The Marvels and current MCU in general is eye rolling.

For most people who have followed this through the IW saga and finished up at Far From Home there isn't much to "catch up" on to watch Phase 4 and 5.

If you've dropped off the MCU since Endgame, then yes, it's been 10 movies and 10 shows since then.

Movies:
Black Widow - none needed
Shang-Chi - nope
Eternals - no
No Way Home - should be familiar with the other spideys and villains already
MoM - WandaVision helps
Thor 4 - no
Wakanda - no
Ant 3 - Loki helps
GotG 3 - no
Marvels - WandaVision and Ms. Marvel

D+ shows:
WandaVision - no
Falcon - no
Loki S1 - no
What if - no
Hawkeye - BW end credits helps set it up
Moon Knight - no
Ms. Marvel - no
She-Hulk - no
Secret Invasion - no
Loki S2 - S1

Phase 4 and 5 are very much their own independent stories or just continuing threads from the IW saga.

Out of 20 post IW saga shows and movies, only 3 are really needed to set up others.
WandaVision from nearly 3 years ago
Loki from nearly 2 and a half years
Ms. Marvel from nearly 1 and a half year ago

It's just a silly excuse at this point.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-early-box-office-prediction-is-50-75mil-domestic-opening-presales-72-behind-quantumania.774407/page-51#post-114730667

[Eric Cartman]

now put her in the back with picard in the entourage 50 cent gif

[Eric Cartman]

If you've dropped off the MCU since Endgame, then yes, it's been 10 movies and 10 shows since then.

...

Out of 20 post IW saga shows and movies, only 3 are really needed to set up others.
WandaVision from nearly 3 years ago
Loki from nearly 2 and a half years
Ms. Marvel from nearly 1 and a half year ago

It's just a silly excuse at this point.

Yeah, come on you lazy cunts, its only 30 hours of homework you have to do

[kaleidoscopium]

This is going to be another movie where people revisit months later and say "Huh, you know I was expecting this to be awful and it wasn't."

100%. I'm still not giving up on its cinema legs either, I can absolutely imagine word of mouth still turning the table a bit.

It's doing the opposite, lol

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-ot3-is-this-canon-lgbtqia-lives-matter.523146/page-118#post-114731240

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%98captain-america-brave-new-world%E2%80%99-is-reportedly-getting-extensive-reshoots-after-negative-test-scores-discussing-film.783692/#post-114712472

Just hire good directors and writers, and leave them alone to make a fucking movie.

Are they getting rid of the IDF

How is there always a spin force in these threads? 5 months of reshoots after bad test scores is normal???? No it's not lmao. Guys cmon.

cool that the MCU just decided to fall apart when they started branching out from white male leads. you guys couldn't keep up the quality for this?

What kind of crowds rated it and what were the criticisms is what I'd like to know

The living fuck is even happening at Marvel Studios lately.

Fj0823

Source: youtube...

Mekanos

Sabra being put in this movie was a monkey paw curling when I said I want the MCU to have outwardly Jewish superheroes

Sigh

I honestly want to know how many times the word "woke" was used among the test audience.

Wonder if this has anything to do with the IDF super hero...

[kaleidoscopium]

Watched it last night, and it was actually a ton of fun! I think there needs to be a discussion with how we're reviewing some of these Marvel movies because it's obvious this one was plagued by some of the real stinkers that came before it (and maybe a touch of misogyny).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-ot-furys-angels.780227/page-11#post-114733355

[HaughtyFrank]

Bummer that the first big movie outing of a Muslim superhero appears to be a huge flop 😔

With what is going on currently in Palestine we Muslims really need a pick me up, but it seems like this is not gonna be that, what a shame 😓

Kumail was first, but I'm not sure if Marvel deems his movie a success or not.

Well his character is not *really* a Muslim since he is basically an alien, you know? Different from Ms. Marvel whose Muslim identity is for both the actor AND the character, which I think is a much more massive significant in terms of representation.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-early-box-office-prediction-is-50-75mil-domestic-opening-presales-72-behind-quantumania.774407/post-114731756

Going by this logic doesn't this mean there's no Christian superhero in the MCU? Why always this demand for special treatment?

[Uncle]

that's why they want to bring in the x-men, get nightcrawler in there 🙏

[kaleidoscopium]

New The Marvels bombing at the boxoffice thread, how long until the usual suspects cry to a mod to get it closed?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-the-marvels-hovers-around-6m-thursday-night-box-office.783836/

All the chuds are just going to puff out their chests and be obnoxious about this for years.

Still looking forward to seeing this later today.

Good, really happy to see this and the news that they delayed their entire slate. It feels like the sun is finally coming out again.

[Eric Cartman]

Kumail was first, but I'm not sure if Marvel deems his movie a success or not.

Well his character is not *really* a Muslim since he is basically an alien, you know? Different from Ms. Marvel whose Muslim identity is for both the actor AND the character, which I think is a much more massive significant in terms of representation.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-marvels-early-box-office-prediction-is-50-75mil-domestic-opening-presales-72-behind-quantumania.774407/post-114731756

Going by this logic doesn't this mean there's no Christian superhero in the MCU? Why always this demand for special treatment?

I mean, wow, I'd have been amazed at the sheer fucking balls if they'd had Jesus get saved from Gorr in Love and Thunder.

[Eric Cartman]

that's why they want to bring in the x-men, get nightcrawler in there 🙏

or kitty "n-word pass" pryde

[jorma]

Well waddaya know, it turns out if you hand over control of your forum to a sex cult of mentally ill degenerate fuckwits, eventually they'll have your head too, and you will be replaced by Princess Bubblegum, who probably looks like mid stage Harvey Weinstein

 
                           

from a wiki i found when i googled the name:
Princess Bonnibel "Bonnie" Bubblegum (often called PB and occasionally Peebles, Bub-Bubs, or P-Bubs)

Meet the new boss, (pretty much the) same as the old boss  

[kaleidoscopium]

I hate the take away is Women, and especially brown women can't headline a tentpole

But they will claim Israeli people aren't brown lol

100%. I'm still not giving up on its cinema legs either, I can absolutely imagine word of mouth still turning the table a bit.

And just to harp on this one further,

Thursday night PostTrak exits from ComScore/Screen Engine were severe for general audiences at 3.5 stars, but 4 1/2 stars from parents and 5 stars from kids under 12. That said, kids and parents combined only repped 9% of last night's audience. The Marvels skewed guys at 63% with men over 25 the biggest turnout at 45% and women over 25 at 24%. That latter demo gave the best recommendation grades of any demo at 61%.

[Besticus Maximus]

Yes, the key takeaway is in fact that you can’t bully the world into going to see a shit film because one of the actors is into sky fairies

[kaleidoscopium]

This is gonna fuel the 'Go woke, go broke' crowd now wont it?

Basically anybody with an axe to grind against Marvel. You're already seeing it

Yuuuuuup. Hell this thread is already bringing in the "Marvel was crap all along" folks too.

Who cares. At some point you gotta stop worrying about what "chuds" think. They're going to think what they think no matter what.

Seeing the new move, conflating anyone who doesn't like the MCU with the evil CHUDs.

[HaughtyFrank]

Hah a female good friend essentially said this. All women cast (except old Fury) and cats, who is this for? She said wheres the hot dudes.

Huh, never seen it that way but I guess yeah, there is always something for everyone in others.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-the-marvels-hovers-around-6m-thursday-night-box-office.783836/post-114739079

Always love this shit. It's basically what happens after 10 years of media analysis through Anita Sarkeesian and co. 

"Wait, women like hot guys? Whaaaaaat?"

[Polident]

Kojima’s review

[Boredfrom]

This is gonna fuel the 'Go woke, go broke' crowd now wont it?

Yuuuuuup. Hell this thread is already bringing in the "Marvel was crap all along" folks too.

Who cares. At some point you gotta stop worrying about what "chuds" think. They're going to think what they think no matter what

I'm just stating matter-of-factly, as someone's who partakes in Internet discussions, the online discourse is going to suck because they'll feel emboldened and pat themselves on the back and credit themselves for it. I'm well aware it doesn't matter in the long-term, they'll just move on to the next "woke" thing but that's how taking about on the Internet is.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/which-was-the-better-trailer-breath-of-the-wild-or-tears-of-the-kingdom.783608/#post-114711053

User Banned (1 Week): Boys club rhetoric

BotW had probably the best trailer of all time. Legit. I wanted to bang my lady after i saw it

Hit incel hollers.

[kaleidoscopium]

If Marvel implodes or if they completely stop pumping out garbage for the next year or so, maybe the core audience can take the time to watch movies and shows that aren't just witty banter, CGI voids, and superheroes.

Yes, we get it, you've made half a dozen if not more snobby posts about how you're much better than the general audience because you've got such a refined taste in movies, you don't need to keep doing it.

The amount of bickering is reaching new heights, can't recall the last time the jannies let them screech it out like this it's great.

[NekoFever]

Wow, just learned about another transphobic crime by CDPR thanks to a Kotaku article from back in June:

Cyberpunk 2077 launched as a broken game. But as someone who was going through the early work of gender transition during a world-stopping pandemic at the time, it somehow made sense that the big-budget, mega-popular video game everyone was so hyped about was also falling the fuck apart.

Amid the heat of the pandemic, most nights for me would end the same, especially before I started hormone therapy: I’d drink myself to sleep, usually waking up with the sun glaring through the window of my bathroom, where I’d ended up at some point in the evening. I would just lay there, staring at the ceiling before finally pulling myself up to look in the mirror, the pain of which was always a trial.

Peeling myself away from the mirror those mornings (which were often in actuality afternoons, or evenings), I’d mosey over to my computer to play a distracting video game. Cyberpunk’s disastrous launch state was alluring. I had enough of seeing the disaster of myself in the mirror, enough of seeing the disaster of the world outside, so why not go check out something else busted to make me feel a little better about this fucked-up world, and my place in it?

Playing Cyberpunk 2077 at launch was an experience in harmony with gender dysphoria, which for some trans people is a condition that can spontaneously ebb to the point that it feels like it was never present in the first place. It will lie to you, creating an illusion that the life you’re living is fine, is good enough. Gender dysphoria will shrink until it’s just rough edges of discomfort you can excuse away as something else. You just get used to it. Until you can’t.

Like a violent glitch that suddenly sends your car flying halfway across Night City and buries V into the side of a building, you’ll catch yourself in the mirror or notice something about your body and realize it’s not fine, and that some mixture of the software and hardware that is “you” is not playing well, is crashing to desktop again. Or in my case, the beer-bottle-littered floor.

Here, V awakens from a mission gone wrong to find out she’s not alone in her head. In Cyberpunk 2077, that additional mental construct is a messed-up former rockstar from whom the world has moved on, zealous in his perspectives on society and completely willing to risk his life for them. It was the kind of person I knew well; it was the kind of person I myself had been before coming out, having traveled the country and other parts of the world playing metal music in venue after venue, night after night.

That extra person, that construct, wanted to take over my brain and push me out, turning me into nothing more than a loud-ass walking stereotype. It was what I had to resist. Am I talking about the game or about how hard it was to finally come out and override my own faux construct? Probably both.

Whenever a friend would ask me what I thought of Cyberpunk 2077, I’d give some variation of the same answer: “It’s a broken game about a broken world where I’m a trans woman with the consciousness of a self-destructive male rockstar stuck in her head and she has to take pills to make him go away.” Anyone to whom I would’ve said this already knew I was trans and knew about my previous life as a touring metal guitarist. There’d usually be a collective moment of silence and an unvoiced, “oh…” in response.

The state of the game and the disastrous situation my V found herself in from the beginning mirrored my life…and then the Johnny Silverhand flashbacks only doubled down on the parallels.

The opening moments of “Love Like Fire,” in which you first experience this figure now riding shotgun in your brain through Johnny’s memories of being backstage at a small club before going on, reminded me vividly of countless nights I’d lived through myself, and the way the game framed Johnny’s experience there was essentially how I’d felt for 30 years of my life: that I’m not me. That I’m just going through the motions—the script.

When Johnny says into the mic, “I’m here to say goodbye,” it reminded me of the last show I played before quitting tour life. And just as that night ended violently for Johnny, so did my own final show during that chapter. Full of rage about the music industry and my place in it, I threw my guitar against the wall. I’d quit a few short days later.

My departure meant the death of the band, an expensive, ambitious project. “So you’re just going to fucking burn this all down?” a bandmate asked me. Yeah. Like the Arasaka Towers, I did.

But in 2020 those memories were nearly four years old. I had come out as a woman, ready to start medical transition, and was living my life anew. And like Johnny glitching himself into existence to haunt V, so did my former life bedevil me. For the first year and a half of transition it was a trial to even touch a guitar. To do so would just summon my own Johnny Silverhand, interrupting me and fucking with my sense of reality and identity. And like V, I had a choice to make.

But every interaction with Johnny Silverhand made it too hard to ignore the obvious question I’d been wrestling with and would continue to wrestle with: Do I choose hostility or grace when faced with aspects of my life that make me uncomfortable? Do I learn to make peace with this unwanted “other” self, or do I tell him to fuck off? Do I give in and let this other identity take the wheel? Or do I just eat pills, take blockers, and see what happens?

nikudan
6/07/23 3:11pm
Wow. Thank you for sharing. There is something about this game. I have had two trans friends also talk to me about how it was special to them, though not for anything like the reason this article spoke of.

Skamanda
6/08/23 10:08am
I had the same sort of experience with my own gender dysphoria, the first time I played through Cyberpunk...

And I guess I’m about to start another playthrough...

How are these people so ignorant about what CDPR stands for, endless hatred and genocide? I don't think they even read the STAFF COMMUNICATION on ResetERA.com at all.

Gender dysphoria is absolutely debilitating and we must adapt society and even language to help those suffering from it, lest we be complicit in genocide.

Also having gender dysphoria is a lot like that time I played a buggy game.

[books]

When we were exiting the theater this one old man who was with his family said loudly "well that was the worst movie I've ever seen", and my Ma(who really had a great time watching it!) scoffed at him and laughed as we left lol.

I'm sure that's what meemaw did.

[Boredfrom]

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When we were exiting the theater this one old man who was with his family said loudly "well that was the worst movie I've ever seen", and my Ma(who really had a great time watching it!) scoffed at him and laughed as we left lol.

I'm sure that's what meemaw did.

A middle age woman personally scolding an old ass adult for not liking the Marvel drivel.

[Boredfrom]

"but why should Marvel be given special treatment when nothing else is"

as though people don't dump on Marvel movies already. It's just people feeling like they're getting there "told you so" on the back of THIS movie, of all things.

“Doctor Strange 1 totally deserved the praise it got. It was not totally a shit combination of Batman Begins and Green Latern.”

[kaleidoscopium]

That was the obvious thing to do that literally everyone was asking for and expecting.

I guess girls won't just lap up endless drivel because nerd culture says they're obligated to.

This is a large part of it as well. My GF and her sisters are huge Marvel fans, have seen all movies/tv shows, and they all passed on going to the movies to watch this.

They weren't the biggest fans of Captain Marvel, they all thought it was just ok to meh, and none of them really gravitated towards Brie Larson as Captain Marvel either. As you've said, just because you're a girl doesn't mean shit if the quality, the writing, the charm and charisma isn't there.

The fact this even needs to be said speaks volumes about the forums current... culture

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-ot3-is-this-canon-lgbtqia-lives-matter.523146/page-116#post-114676964

I must admit I used to give a lot of shit to Sony's Spider-Man Universe and some others. I don't like doing that anymore. I want people to like what they like without feeling bad, and I don't want to constantly be negative about movies anymore. Not to mention I've changed my mind on many projects over the years (not even a DC/marvel thing. Just in general)

I'd rather either ignore things I don't care for, or at least not be toxic in reactions. I'm not saying I'm perfect with it, but I want to try being better.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-ot3-is-this-canon-lgbtqia-lives-matter.523146/page-118#post-114738491

Like I said above, I really want to avoid shitting or being negative, so I'm not getting into the live action Sony projects. I hope at some point for their sakes they can get out of their negative perspective too.

Remember when you were a kid, and the guy that wanted to stop the snowball fight was always the one that just ran out of snowballs?

[Besticus Maximus]

I remember when I was a kid, and like everyone single one of the girls I knew would not stop talking about Captain Marvel and the Marvel Universe. I used to hear them talking sometimes about how a Muslim Captain Marvel would change their lives, I wonder what they make of all this. I should go back onto 4chan and see what the gals are up to.

[books]

He sounds like a pregnant republican woman.

[Uncle]

This is gonna fuel the 'Go woke, go broke' crowd now wont it?

Yuuuuuup. Hell this thread is already bringing in the "Marvel was crap all along" folks too.

Who cares. At some point you gotta stop worrying about what "chuds" think. They're going to think what they think no matter what

I'm just stating matter-of-factly, as someone's who partakes in Internet discussions, the online discourse is going to suck because they'll feel emboldened and pat themselves on the back and credit themselves for it. I'm well aware it doesn't matter in the long-term, they'll just move on to the next "woke" thing but that's how taking about on the Internet is.

how is it that it's terrible and awful to cheer on a bad movie flopping, but it's totally fine to cheer on the idea that a movie will lead to mass shootings and then sulk when it doesn't

[HaughtyFrank]

This is gonna fuel the 'Go woke, go broke' crowd now wont it?

Yuuuuuup. Hell this thread is already bringing in the "Marvel was crap all along" folks too.

Who cares. At some point you gotta stop worrying about what "chuds" think. They're going to think what they think no matter what

I'm just stating matter-of-factly, as someone's who partakes in Internet discussions, the online discourse is going to suck because they'll feel emboldened and pat themselves on the back and credit themselves for it. I'm well aware it doesn't matter in the long-term, they'll just move on to the next "woke" thing but that's how taking about on the Internet is.

how is it that it's terrible and awful to cheer on a bad movie flopping, but it's totally fine to cheer on the idea that a movie will lead to mass shootings and then sulk when it doesn't

Because it was disguised as "concern trolling" (this time actually the correct term)