Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Taco Bell Tower]

Yeah, wth especially Neoxon since he made a thread about Yoshi-P being racist lol

[Uncle]

I see we are at the "trivializing death threats" stage.

everyone knows that death threats are always bullshit, no exceptions, so it's 100% a game of weaponizing them to play the victim, and/or downplaying them or calling them false flag if your enemy got them



they won't warn you in advance when they want you dead, so if you don't get death threats then you should worry the most

[Uncle]

that's why I tell all my friends I'm going to kill them constantly so they don't have to worry 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-is-about-to-kill-third-party-apps-their-pricing-is-nuts-apollo-would-owe-reddit-20m-yearly-in-api-fees-up-apollo-shutting-down-6-30.725013/page-38#post-107374044

Users being "mad" is not somehow beneficial to the CEO's goals.

I don't really give a shit about the average user's opinion. I care about our access to the internet, its about to be even more controlled by CEOs/Investors. Reddit is about to turn into Facebook/Instagram/Twitter where they will control 100% how you interact with Reddit and the communities they didn't even build. I hope you all love algorithms.

There was a world before Reddit that got along just fine. Giving into a bunch of whiney normies because they can't figure out how to resolve a plumbing issue for a couple days should not really be a high priority for the community. Reddit, the company, should probably care.

Focus your blame back onto the Reddit CEO. They're the one who is provoking this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-think-i-may-have-gotten-scammed-by-my-doctor.730791/

[Potato]

What confuses me is what even counts as white to Era anymore? From Ezra's wiki:

Miller's father is Jewish; their mother is of Dutch and German descent. Miller identifies as Jewish and "spiritual".

Wouldn't this make him a minority? Or are Jewish people now excluded from their definition when convenient?

They're getting dangerously close to  :dolezel territory.

If you're white looking, but are Jewish, Mexican or some other white-passing tribe, you're white.

If you're Enzom21, you're good.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-is-about-to-kill-third-party-apps-their-pricing-is-nuts-apollo-would-owe-reddit-20m-yearly-in-api-fees-up-apollo-shutting-down-6-30.725013/page-39#post-107382879

I was looking at Lemmy and this icon...

[kaleidoscopium]

What confuses me is what even counts as white to Era anymore? From Ezra's wiki:

Miller's father is Jewish; their mother is of Dutch and German descent. Miller identifies as Jewish and "spiritual".

Wouldn't this make him a minority? Or are Jewish people now excluded from their definition when convenient?

They're getting dangerously close to  :dolezel territory.

If you're white looking, but are Jewish, Mexican or some other white-passing tribe, you're white.

If you're Enzom21, you're good.

The new one to me today is cis-passing, thats how they further gatekeep LGBT/trans specific people that have gotten too far ahead of the rest of them apparently

[Besticus Maximus]

Warriors against white supremacy, Nepenthe and Neoxon, are playing (and enjoying)...you guessed it:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xvi-demo-available-now-impressions-thread.729000/page-69
https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xvi-demo-available-now-impressions-thread.729000/page-25#post-107231202

I swear to god none of these people can stick to their own scripts. This is almost as bad as Kuntuuji and Cyberpunk.

User Banned: Reason; Cosmic justice and genuine righteous praxis

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-cant-call-best-buy-stores-anymore.730773/#post-107386818

A lot of companies doing this now, not just BB. Super annoying.

Me and a friend placed an order at a taco place the other night and realized we accidentally chose pickup instead of delivery. They have no phone number. No way to call them and switch it, no way to cancel the order. Had we been drinking we'd have been screwed and out $55

How did they ordered?

[Daft Hand]

Warriors against white supremacy, Nepenthe and Neoxon, are playing (and enjoying)...you guessed it:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xvi-demo-available-now-impressions-thread.729000/page-69
https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xvi-demo-available-now-impressions-thread.729000/page-25#post-107231202

I swear to god none of these people can stick to their own scripts. This is almost as bad as Kuntuuji and Cyberpunk.

They're going to buy this game. They're going to pay $70 for this game and play the shit out of it. Then they're going to do a new game+ and buy every piece of DLC the moment it drops. And they'll be whining about it on RE the entire time.

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dcs-the-flash-review-thread.726855/page-12#post-107387010

Don’t feel bad for liking a movie. Some posters goal is to make sure nobody sees this or make people feel bad if they do.

Truth is, watching a movie has no bearing on your moral compass.

I’ll be seeing it tomorrow night.

Another day, another (indirect) ZeoVGM/FJ0823 call out.  

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-cant-call-best-buy-stores-anymore.730773/#post-107386818

A lot of companies doing this now, not just BB. Super annoying.

Me and a friend placed an order at a taco place the other night and realized we accidentally chose pickup instead of delivery. They have no phone number. No way to call them and switch it, no way to cancel the order. Had we been drinking we'd have been screwed and out $55

How did they ordered?

Online. Which is still weird considering it's a taco shop and it would probably take 5 mins tops of waiting to be served.

[Snoopy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wow-adds-quest-to-save-the-timeline-where-you-have-to-ensure-a-popular-lore-character-gets-made-a-sex-slave.730668/


Visawife comment?

[benji]

Pinned by Extra History
Extra History
3 years ago (edited)

EDIT: Hey folks, so this one seems to have struck a nerve. We encourage discussion about the topic, and there is some fair criticism of the video out there. However, I wanted to address some of the comments that seemed to have misunderstood some aspects of the video.

1) We never said that playing as a Nazi turns you into a Nazi. That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of this works. However, there is plenty of research about how art & media can shift people’s perspectives. This is not a good or bad thing, this is just a natural effect of culture. Please look up the Overton Window or heck, you can watch our video on Propaganda Games over here:

So no. Playing a nazi doesn’t magically transform you into a nazi. No one is saying that.

2) We never said that games should NEVER let you play as Nazis or terrorists for that matter. If you need the exact time stamp, it’s at 4:47 . There’s a lot of potential for some really interesting or impactful games that put the players in the boots of people or in control of systems that have done incredible harm. But it can’t be done thoughtlessly or just as a skin on top of mechanics, devoid of context.

3) For those saying that it’s just a game and we shouldn’t think too hard about it, I feel like perhaps it might be important to introduce ourselves. Hi, we’re Extra Credits! Our tag line, for a very long time, was “Because Games Matter” It’s something we fundamentally believe and if you don’t, that’s okay! But then our content might not be for you, cause thinking hard about games is kind of our schtick.

4) Our writing staff is the same, and we’ve always talked about politics in games and our other videos. If this comes as a surprise to you, or you think there’s been a large shift in our thinking, I’d invite you to take a look at some of our older episodes. We live in a time where neo-nazis exist and they've seemed to have increasingly found a home in gaming communities. This isn’t something we can turn a blind eye anymore, and it’s important to consider what we as game designers can do to try and make things better.

As said, there have been some very valid critiques of the video that we greatly appreciate. Most important to us is to start talking about these topics and to have conversations about design. For those of you who have kept civil in the comments, thank you. For those who need a reminder, our CoC can be found here: https://becausegamesmatter.com/extra-credits-community-code-of-conduct

- A

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/welcome-new-members-introduce-yourself-here.119184/page-32#post-107338071

 After ten years I am returning to school in September at the ripe age of 33 for my PhD in Cinema & Media Studies, and could not be more excited or happy. I'm a cinephile, bookworm, and avid gamer who also moonlights as a fitness and sports lover, except without the culturally toxic aspects of the latter.

[Venice]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/welcome-new-members-introduce-yourself-here.119184/page-32#post-107338071

 After ten years I am returning to school in September at the ripe age of 33 for my PhD in Cinema & Media Studies, and could not be more excited or happy. I'm a cinephile, bookworm, and avid gamer who also moonlights as a fitness and sports lover, except without the culturally toxic aspects of the latter.

He's studying something about as useful as PlanetSmasher's degree in Comedy 

[Greatness Gone]

PhD in Cinema & Media Studies

bruh....

[Colonel Mustard]

The new one to me today is cis-passing, thats how they further gatekeep LGBT/trans specific people that have gotten too far ahead of the rest of them apparently

They recently had a thread on this issue:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/being-ugly-sucks.730440/

[benji]

"We need a doctor!"
"I'm a doctor, my dissertation was on the revolutionary praxis of the MCU and how Captain Marvel challenges reactionary patriarchy!"

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/data-for-progress-lgbtq-adults-do-not-feel-safe-and-do-not-think-the-democratic-party-is-doing-enough-to-protect-their-rights.730641/#post-107373879

   

Don't equate that Democrats lacking the power to do something with Democrats hate the LGBTQ community and have no will do help them.

There is no fundamental difference in results though. You don't get cookies for caring and yet failing to protect people. You get cookies for actually protecting people.

If you cannot protect people because of the system in place, that still isn't really the victims' problem.

Nepenthe: all white cishet people naturally want to do terrible things to all minorities and have established a multi-century international conspiracy of capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy to achieve this.
Also Nepenthe: we should eliminate all the institutions like the rule of law and the liberal tradition that protect minorities from the majority and the state for a cleansing battle between the white cishet population and the rest.

[Uncle]

"We need a doctor!"
"I'm a doctor, my dissertation was on the revolutionary praxis of the MCU and how Captain Marvel challenges reactionary patriarchy!"

worse than that:

"wait, you have a media studies degree? and you're claiming you can speak intelligently about patriarchy? as opposed to me with my gender studies degree? sit the fuck down"

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107393523

Let me guess, the creator is someone with latin ancestry and tried to make a show to reflect whatever stereotypes she was taught about their ancestors culture?

From what I can tell, she is Mexican American and grew up in a house with her cousins and extended family, which she is portraying through the show.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107393262

if you're a creator never, ever, ever read or respond to comments on social media. you cannot win and it will only break you. post away and let people war in your comments but never read any of it.

social media is full of sad little people who only look to tear down other people.

Oh, the irony.

[Potato]

What does this have to do with style???

Oh sweaty, the AP's style is fabulous. Get with the program.

[Snoopy]

so I decided to finally take the plunge. After ten years I am returning to school in September at the ripe age of 33 for my PhD in Cinema & Media Studies

33. Returning to school to get a PHD in watching telly. 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107393523

Let me guess, the creator is someone with latin ancestry and tried to make a show to reflect whatever stereotypes she was taught about their ancestors culture?

From what I can tell, she is Mexican American and grew up in a house with her cousins and extended family, which she is portraying through the show.

NSESN

that is fine but some of the nicknames are very badly chosen, some are straight up swear words in some hispanic countries. It doesnt seem this was very well researched

maybe, but still a terrible choice for a trailer imo, you are giving the wrong idea for your potential audience

yeah, still a bad look considering the stereotypes

imo, it doesnt look like it is racist, just badly researched

her experience is as hispanic american, that is valid, but doesnt mean it should ignore all other hispanic cultures

like i said they using a swear word to name a character just shows the lack of research they have put in this thing.

Marvel bootlicker Fj0823

Me:

"Es una caricatura para niños, que tan malo puede ser?"

*Clicks*

Immediately hit with the shithole filter, the rundown contaminated city, the family with lots of children and the first time in life hearing a latino greet with "Oye Primo"

My guess with that last one is that it's a family thing for the main character, which does happen a lot.

The other things are...not a great look. On second thought I wouldn't call them explicitly racist tbh, just unfortunate choices that play into stereotypes

NSESN

one character is named after a term used for the female genitalia

Marvel bootlicker Fj0823

Honestly I only got that one because my GF is Cuban, but yeah baffling choice

Doubt it.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107393016

who thought using the yellow filter was a good idea?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107393610

From what I can tell, she is Mexican American and grew up in a house with her cousins and extended family, which she is portraying through the show.

that is fine but some of the nicknames are very badly chosen, some are straight up swear words in some hispanic countries. It doesnt seem this was very well researched

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107393700

Looks like the sky is yellow because the title sequence is set during sunset

maybe, but still a terrible choice for a trailer imo, you are giving the wrong idea for your potential audience

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107394057

Looks like they live in LA which is in a state known as the sunshine state

yeah, still a bad look considering the stereotypes

imo, it doesnt look like it is racist, just badly researched

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/#post-107394477

Damn I can see the goalpost moving live in this thread. Going from "it's super racist" to "well, it's kinda clumsy" in a matter of seconds. Some of you really wanted to be offended.

If the creator is hispanic and made a show based on their experience of hispanic culture then it can be true to it without being aligned to yours.

her experience is as hispanic american, that is valid, but doesnt mean it should ignore all other hispanic cultures

like i said they using a swear word to name a character just shows the lack of research they have put in this thing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/page-2#post-107394726

Honestly I only got that one because my GF is Cuban, but yeah baffling choice

eah like i said lack of research because it seems to be an ok term in mexican spanish

my guess is that they only thought of mexican/ mexican american culture and forgot that other hispanics exist

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/page-2#post-107394816

It’s about Mexican-Americans.

the show is for everyone to see

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/page-2#post-107394900

Pretty much. That's something for the localizers to address, as long as it's fine in Mexican-American vernacular.

weird way to dismiss this, there are other hispanic american people that will consume this in english

isnt is it much easier to use another name?

[benji]

Well, I can confirm that someone did some bad research but it doesn't sound like it was the creators of that racist show.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-disneys-new-animated-show-primos-racist.730809/page-2#post-107396175

Those comments read like they came from Era users.

punching down on era when it hasn't done anything in this regard.

cool.

[Boredfrom]

That show runner learned a big lesson:

“Ni lo intentes, Cuca.”

The yellow filter is annoying but hardly deal breaker.