Great Moments in ResetEra History

[Besticus Maximus]

When Slayven started a thread to laugh at some white girl who had been abused by her parents and was suing them or something

[Uncle]

November 14, 2019 - the banning of KetKat

https://www.resetera.com/threads/we-need-to-talk-about-responding-to-trans-related-issues.151194/page-4#post-26470548 (archive)
bore investigation (archive)

KetKat was (apparently, according to era) a real sweetie who was always very supportive, a problem solver in the mental health era community thread who was always listening and cheering others up

that is, until she was banned for leaking secret mod discussions 

The way that bigotry is handled by people on Staff is also a bit strange. There was that one transphobic post by a moderator that when posted by anyone else would have been a month ban, but in this case, they were just talked to and allowed to stay on the team. When evidence was presented of how they had said these things throughout their time on GAF before this, it was dismissed and considered resolved. There are also chats that have been shown to people about a moderator on the staff talking in the discord about how Asexuals should not be a part of the LGBT+ community and instead of any challenging or talking through, was essentially told that people could see where they were coming from, to not feel bad, and then dropped.

a timeline of events here is actually best provided by none other than Kyuuji (archive):

A timeline for those new:

• Months of inaction while trans threads remain the most hostile and least pleasant place for trans people on Era.
  
• This is called out several times but is only dealt with in isolated single cases, like a post being edited out
  
• Finally hits breaking point, culminating in an ace member of the forum making a post calling it out
  
• Moderators offer support but refuse to stick the thread or address/acknowledge the issue
  
• A staff post is made a week later that’s generic, doesn’t acknowledge the inaction and is 50% about the staff themselves.
  
• That 50% is lamenting how the staff has been made to feel as a result of people expressing at the inaction
  
• Ketkat and other trans members push back, saying the attitude is the very issue we’re trying to highlight
  
• Ketkat mentions in a minor part of the post that a staff member that is known to be acephobic
  
• Ketkat is banned within minutes
  
• Mods suddenly start replying, with more passion than had been shown to the thread in the week prior
  
• It’s implied that Ketkat gained illicit access and abused her girlfriend
  
• Royalan then details in paragraphs the mod stance on the issue and comes to lock the thread
  
• The thread that was made to highlight trans issues is locked by Royalan
  
• The Trans Awareness Week becomes the home to share frustrations.
  
• Ketkat’s ban reason changes three times over this period.
  
• Eventually a staff post is made, much in the same vein as the past one
  
• It suggests that we should get back to talking about trans awareness
  
• It details that Ketkat is permanently banned
  
• Royalan once again comes in to detail why this is the way it is, and asks to be held accountable
  
• It is then uncovered that Royalan has posted acephobic comments in the recent past
  
• Robin (Ketkat’s girlfriend) mentions that Royalan isn’t even the person being referred to initially.

^ Trans Awareness Week casually hijacked into ERA Staff Awareness Week.

Fucking. Bullshit. 👎

Hijacking the thread? It's our fucking thread.

" Please return to the important topic of trans awareness week."??

Lmfao go fuck yourselves.

Lol, so basically telling us to know our place. Nice message.

(sabrina was not ok)

outside of the short thread where ketkat was banned, ground zero for discussions surrounding the horrible treatment of trans people at era, rampant acephobia among the mods, and calls to FREE KETKAT are mostly contained within the nov 13 2019 trans awareness thread, which seemed to have been left open by the staff as an "airing of grievances" thread (something they are now smart enough to shut down quickly instead):
https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-trans-awareness-week-nov-13th-19th.153146/page-2#post-26483135

but there were other protest threads at the time as well:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-moderation-staff-is-fucking-up-beyond-belief-on-lgbt-issues.153942/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-trip-down-memory-lane.153947/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/reminder-that-theres-a-trans-awareness-week-thread-stickied-at-the-top.153948/



however, after only a few days of uproar, ketkat was unbanned and made her own deconstruction of events post (archive), royalan stepped down from moderating (later rejoining) and they added a few more lgbtqia+ mods and admins (a rare action post from Cerium!) (archive) which quelled the uprising

indeed, this was the induction of Android Sophia they/themselves, and marked the rise of their star

5 months later, KetKat was permabanned again (archive) and this time no one fucking cared, whether because this time they thought she deserved it, or her cheerleaders had all been quietly disappeared by the mods in that time

[Cauliflower Of Love]

January 24, 2019 - Patton Oswalt saves a man's life

https://www.resetera.com/threads/patton-oswalt-donate-to-help-pay-medical-bills-of-guy-trolling-him-on-twitter-and-prompts-others-to-do-the-same.95556/ (archive)
Bore investigation

Patton Oswalt is trolled by a man on twitter, and rather than retaliating or ignoring it, noticed the guy had a lot of health issues and was asking for donations, which he obliged and signal boosted on twitter, repaying insults with kindness and setting a positive example for others

era of course was very angry that money was going toward a shithead trump supporter...though as 2019 was earlier in the site's life, responses were 50/50 on whether era was showing its ass or if in fact this random man did deserve to die

Man it must be nice to be white. You can be as shitty and terrible as possible without consequence. Other whites reward you, and defend you.

Keep track of this guy and bump this thread every few months and we'll see how much he's changed.

Hell, maybe he even gets well enough to go harass some minorities in to killing themselves!

for a while, thebore is acknowledged to be watching the discussion unfold (archive)

This thread seems like a honey pot for off site cross posting.

Ain’t that an indictment though?

Every site that posts about this forum is gutter trash, so...no. Always fucking gossiping and keeping tabs like some damn stalkers. Get a fucking life.

 

The conduct of some people in this thread proves us little better 🤷🏻‍♂️

Nah, don't compare people and say "We're better." Condemn bad behavior, not people. Comparisons like that lead to a bad place.

You’re right, just feeling disillusioned by the responses in what should be a feel good thread. Should take a lesson of Patton.

marrec posts at one of them, that's why he's always bitching about us and tone policing every goddamn thread.

(The Kree deserves his own coverage at some point, as does a mr. Enzom)

You post at a hate site and you’re pulling pearl clutching nonsense about people here not being happy about supporting a racist?

as venereology put it on the bore:

maybe if they didn't spend so much time publicly embarrassing themselves other forums wouldn't have much reason to mock them

remember that time he killed his wife by supporting dave chapelle?

[Uncle]

remember that time he killed his wife by supporting dave chapelle?

yes

[Uncle]

User Profile: The Kree

The Kree was long known to be an insufferable cunt, whose primary claim to fame was simply posting users' post counts to shame them and imply they were secret bad actors looking to start trouble

a mysterious stranger once rode into Boretown to drop his collection of Kree baits, then disappeared as quickly as he arrived (archive)



mods started meekly begging him to stop posting users' post counts, but for a long time he continued to enjoy some measure of immunity from judgement



I do not recall what eventually led to his downfall, but at the time there had been justified speculation that he simply created an alt and continued posting at era

[Eric Cartman]

I do not recall what eventually led to his downfall, but at the time there had been justified speculation that he simply created an alt and continued posting at era

He went into witless protection as dog faced pony soldier when he was under some community heat, but I dunno if he fully rerolled an alt

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

KetKat was (apparently, according to era) a real sweetie who was always very supportive, a problem solver in the mental health era community thread who was always listening and cheering others up

I never saw a KetKat post in which she didn't come across as a massive arsehole, so I never understood all the support she received.

[porkbun]

KetKat was (apparently, according to era) a real sweetie who was always very supportive, a problem solver in the mental health era community thread who was always listening and cheering others up

I never saw a KetKat post in which she didn't come across as a massive arsehole, so I never understood all the support she received.

. 

It was from the enabling asspats (aka terrible advice/support) they gave in the mental health threads.

[TylenolJones]

Another great Neogaf memory

[Eric Cartman]

Failed to get the motion passed... because she was high (oooohh)
Gave senior officials sass... because she was high (la-la-lalala)
Then they fired her ass, and I know why (why man?)
Because she was high
Because she was high
Because she was high

[Uncle]

July 13, 2022 - elderly man dies due to a bit of chaos

https://www.thedailybeast.com/smiling-teens-caught-on-camera-killing-72-year-old-in-philadelphia-cops-say

Sickening video released by Philadelphia police shows a group of teens smile and record as they beat an elderly man to death with traffic cones.

The man, identified by local TV station NBC 10 as James Lambert, was taken to the hospital early June 24 but died the following day from his head injuries, police said. (Cops said Lambert was 72 years old, while the local outlet reported he was 73.)

None of the seven involved in the beat down—four boys and three girls—had been arrested as of Friday morning, but police hope the newly released video and a reward of $20,000 for information will generate leads in the investigation.

The video, from security cameras on a street in northern Philadelphia, shows the alleged attackers laughing and recording on their cellphones as they chase the man across a street and strike him with traffic cones.

Police blurred out the victim in the video, but it’s apparent the 72-year-old was trying to get away from the teens just before he was attacked. After a final blow was captured on camera, a young girl appears to cover her mouth in horror as she walks toward the victim. Others soon follow, with one boy leaving the view of the camera while smiling on a scooter.

Separate security cameras captured the group after the attack. In those videos, one boy appears to mock the way Lambert fell during the alleged assault.

Philadelphia police did not immediately respond to a request for additional details about the incident, including how it began and what charges the teens could face if arrested.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/7-teens-in-philadelphia-assault-elderly-man-on-camera-victim-dies-following-day.605511/ (archive)
Bore investigation (archive)

a very sad and senseless event, what would era say about this?

well, don't call them animals:



https://www.resetera.com/threads/7-teens-in-philadelphia-assault-elderly-man-on-camera-victim-dies-following-day.605511/post-89743962



Royalan defends the rowdy tots (archive):

Some people are absolutely beyond redemption. I’ve got zero sympathy for these kids, and any active participants need to be locked up for a very long time. Remove them from society. This isn’t a youthful indiscretion. Someone who plans to kill a poor old man, laughs about it, actually beats and kills the man, all while filming the entire thing has something seriously wrong with them. They’re broken and dangerous, and they don’t deserve any benefit of the doubt.

I can't get down with this.

I want to be clear: I'm a Black person living in Philly. Everyone I know is talking about this, and everyone I know is aghast at the entire situation. These kids absolutely deserve consequences, legal and lasting consequences, and pretty harsh ones, at that.

But I can't get down with this language (and not to single you out, Addie, you're not the only one in this thread talking like this).

I've watched this video, and there will be no convincing me that these kids set out with the intent to kill a man. I don't even see evidence in this video that these kids thought what was happening would result in this man dying (this does not absolve them, before anybody gets me fucked up). I see one overt aggressor; I see one poor girl who looks horrified from the start of the video until the end. I see the boy in the white shirt who's filming stop filming and look shocked when whatever happens when the girl with the cone runs off-screen happens. And then I see a group of other kids who look a mix of entertained, then complacent, then confused/shocked.

I watch this video, and I see a Lord of the Flies moment in real-time. What I don't see is the same ragtag group of murderers set out with the intent to kill that so many in here are insistent on seeing. And so, I will not use the same language to describe these kids that I would use to describe a ragtag group of murderers set out with the intent of kill. Because THOSE people exist. They're not a fictional archetype. There are cold-blooded killers in this world. We see evidence of this in threads posted on this site damn near weekly. This language should be reserved for them. Because when we use this language, and we start to see these kids (who went too far in some shit they shouldn't have been doing in the first place, which resulted in the death of a man, and yes THEY DESERVE CONSEQUENCES I will repeat) as no different than people who truly do revel and gloat over the idea of killing people, then we create the environment for every kid (and it is not inconsequential that these kids are Black) engaging in any level of illegality to be viewed and thus punished in this same light. We see this same language used to describe the origin of the fear of Black boy shot for stealing a soft drink from a convenience store. This language, used so wantonly, trickles down and becomes the reason it was OK for a bunch of white people to watch a police officer step on the back of a Black girl for acting rowdy at a public pool. The fear and hate that this language spawns becomes the reason why a Black boy in a hoodie, carrying nothing but skittles and an Arizona iced tea, doesn't make it home.

This shit is all connected.

This language is not just inaccurate, but it bears down on the lives of all of these kids. Not just the kids involved in this crime; ALL of These kids. It crushes them down and then reshapes what they see to be the expectations of their lives. It affects the opportunities afforded them. It robs them of the benefit of the doubt so many other kids get when, like most kids, they inevitably do something wrong.

And that's not to trivialize what happened to James Lambert -- his life was stolen by a group of kids who absolutely deserve to be brought to justice despite the hand society has dealt them. But when it comes to These kids, we have to stop stopping at the violence. We have to stop running away from our collective responsibility in how a world was shaped where shit like this can happen, even down to how we talk about it.

Nepenthe weighs in:







Aurizen coins the phrase (archive)



those little scamps just got carried away, it happens
  

the greater societal issue of how we treat young Black kids is far more important than any messy details of this particular case





of course, less than a month later, a 70-year-old Asian woman is brutally attacked in San Francisco, but this time it's not just a bit of chaos, and neither Royalan nor Nepenthe seem to have anything to say

[TylenolJones]

Resetera  logo stuff reminded me of Evilore throwing a fit over people wanting an Iwata logo. 

Hi there. Let's set aside diplomacy for a moment and have a little bit of real talk.

Fuck your expectations and demands. This is a private website. A special gesture was made in solidarity with hundreds of sites across the internet in celebration of the historic passing of marriage equality in the United States. It was intended to be kept through July and will in fact be kept through July as planned. Iwata's death is not more or less important than this; it has absolutely nothing to do with it. You do not get to demand logo changes, and the hundreds of hostile, childish, entitled posts doing so in the thread about Iwata's passing don't do the people in question any favors or make a logo change any more likely. Rather, these posts mostly serve to disgust me and disrespect Iwata's memory, and associate a logo change with acceding to the demands of assholes.

I did in fact ask my art team to create an Iwata memorial logo immediately upon hearing the tragic news, since the idea resonated with me and we were all deeply saddened by his passing. An appropriate memorial logo was created shortly thereafter.

It will not be used. Have a wonderful day.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/neogaf-gay-marriage-logo-great-logo-or-greatest-logo.1071257/page-9#post-172009409

[BIONIC]

What about him writing an entire screed about how neogoof stands in solidarity with the Paris climate accords without detailing in any way what that would look like?

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

You in?

[TylenolJones]

You in Bionic?

President Trump has unilaterally withdrawn the United States from the Paris Agreement's previously global human commitment, which had set aside personal ego and political posturing to stand united as a species toward averting the climate change crisis threatening our future and our children's future and endangering all the beauty and diversity of life surrounding us. We were, until today, sharing the common human goal of transitioning away harmful emissions and onto clean, renewable energy.

The United States now stands alone in petty, ignorant, corrupt opposition of this critical global endeavor, and, if we follow along with this executive decision in apathy, the rest of civilization will come to see the United States as an enemy of its own species and saboteur of our one and only collective home, an embarrassment to humanity and an awkward 18th century mistake outstaying its welcome. This is not my desired course as an American whatsoever, but it is the course that has been officially chosen for the United States nonetheless.

However, the current POTUS and his supporters in the White House and Congress do not represent the will of the American people in this: 70% of Americans approve of the Paris Agreement. He does not speak for several of our most important economic and cultural centers at the state government level: New York and California and Washington have already formed a Climate Alliance pledging to continue onward with the mission statement of the Paris Agreement, and more state and city governments appear eager to follow. Apple's Tim Cook, Tesla's Elon Musk, and other influential US tech leaders have condemned the White House's decision and will continue treating this climate crisis as a threat to humanity that must be acknowledged and addressed, not a petty game.

Throw me in with that lot, too.

On behalf of my community here at NeoGAF -- a beautifully diverse, global membership & audience of every country, ethnicity, religion, orientation, socioeconomic status, and video game platform loyalty -- I denounce the US government's decision to withdraw from the historic Paris Agreement that the entire world, including the United States in a vocal leadership role, had already formed universal consensus on and committed to, and I pledge to act in spirit with the mission statement of the Agreement, both personally and professionally as founder and CEO of NeoGAF.

I will not let the whims of the White House determine my own role in preserving or destroying the future. No disingenuous political talking points, or payoffs, or short-sighted selfishness will allow me to rationalize away the realities of our circumstances in favor of apathy or senseless profit. I've been fortunate enough to witness first-hand a great deal of the beauty and diversity in culture and and life and landscape that this planet has to offer, and these experiences have had a profound impact on me that cannot be assigned a dollar value. I refuse to accept that future generations should be left with experiencing what I've seen through the lens of an ancient and whimsical Planet Earth episode or VR simulation while thousands of species go extinct and billions of people lose their homes.

I will continue contributing to environmental activism efforts such as The Sierra Club and NRDC, I will continue to remain conscious of my personal footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it, and I will continue investing in clean, renewable energy technology and infrastructure.

Don't let cynicism or apathy or ignorance or selfishness win. Any conscious effort and action, within your means, to preserve our shared future and the beauty of our collective home is infinitely preferable to an indifferent shrug. This isn't a time for judging or making demands of others; I won't tell you how you should be living your life, how to spend your money, or how to determine and order your priorities, or what you can afford to or have a moral obligation to do. Just take a moment, look inward, and decide whether this whole thing means something to you, and if so what choices you're comfortable with given what you know about the stakes here; whether you're an American or any other brand of human. Meanwhile, I'll do what I can.

You in?

 
https://archive.ph/McHkC

[BIONIC]

Such a lame corny ass motherfucker

[Hap Shaughnessy]

[quote="books" pid='26611' dateline='1702349812']
It's messed up because in a bubble, I think I could be homies with Morrigan cuz I like death metal and metal in general as a curious goof. But she sounds like an awful person that I wouldn't be able to stand next to during a concert cuz her ass would be complaining about something so I dunno.

I heard she has horrible rep with metal fans. She used to run a big site and was infamous for banning dissent and only allowing her opinions.

That and tolerating and platforming Nazis.
Edits:
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46912.msg2976196#msg2976196
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=36015
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=36749&p=854720#p854720
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35800
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35127&p=808594#p808594
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35557
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39103&p=960604#p960604
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=38269
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=37960
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=38726&p=916267#p916267
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43472
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44759&p=1065584#p1065584
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44614

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what%E2%80%99s-up-with-heavy-metal-and-medieval-fantasy-imagery.579287/page-2#post-86038190

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes

In August 1993, Vikernes fatally stabbed Mayhem guitarist Euronymous during an altercation at the latter's apartment, and was arrested shortly after. In May 1994, Vikernes was convicted of first-degree murder, church arson and possession of explosives.

During his incarceration, Vikernes launched the Norwegian Heathen Front, had two books published, and released two ambient albums as Burzum.

He promoted views which combined Odinism and Esoteric Nazism, and openly embraced Nazism during the mid-late 1990s. He has since disavowed the ideology and its associated movements, although critics continue to label his views as far-right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathen_Front

The Allgermanische Heidnische Front (AHF) was an international neo-Nazi organisation, active during the late 1990s and early 2000s, that espoused a form of racial Germanic Neopaganism. It grew from the Norsk Hedensk Front (NHF), which was claimed to be led and founded by the musician Varg Vikernes in 1993, although he and the organisation denied it. The program was based on his first book, Vargsmål (1994), published shortly after he was convicted for church arson and the murder of fellow musician Euronymous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filosofem

Filosofem (Norwegian for "Philosopheme") is the fourth studio album by Norwegian black metal solo project Burzum. It was recorded in March 1993 and was the last recording before Varg Vikernes was sentenced to prison in 1994; the album was not released until January 1996, however.

[benji]

Unearthed while I was doing that stupid Nepenthe searching, some essay she wrote during poundsandcyberpunkgate: https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/post-54328819

Alright, so this is probably going to be my only post in the thread. It's not gonna be any PR speak, nor is it going to assuage anyone's feelings, staff or members. Y'all are going to be mad, but that's the secret at this point. It’ll be a recap of things, but most of it is going to be about the toll this has taken on me. No, I don't give a shit if you think this is inappropriately rerouting the conversation; I'm burnt out and subsequently apathetic. I've been holding on to a lot of this for over a year, and I'm going to get it off my chest now before I discuss what I want to do for ResetEra moving forward. However you take it is on you. This thread will also be locked so you can't skip over it, and it will be reopened in 10 minutes, approximately 9:40 PM EST.

Let's start with Black Chamber. I don't want to relitigate too much, but yeah, that was a fuck-up, and I apologize. Even if he wasn't a MAGA asshat, his inability to consider the feelings of trans members meant he should've lost right to the OT immediately at the bare minimum. I believe part of the unstated goal of ResetEra is that members take an ethical approach to expressing video game fandom, by which I largely mean not stepping on the toes of minorities who get the short end of the stick in a medium that is largely still a conservative, white-ass cesspool of juvenility. BC didn't do that, so fuck him. And Cyberpunk, that trash-ass game.

After that, Sophia decided on her own to enter talks with Trans Era members. That was fair, and I know she was in Discords with and friends with members who were hurt by what happened. At this point, I wasn't asked to be involved, and frankly I wasn't going to be initially. I'm still exhausted from the Asian Era meeting (more on that at the end), and I didn't feel like picking up something like that at the moment. But from what I understood, the meeting was going to be about Black Chamber and Cyberpunk, how to handle contentious OTs, the issues with egregious fan hype- shit that had to do with the immediate issue that had happened to Trans Era.

Imagine my fucking surprise then when Toxi PMd me about Ketkat out of nowhere.

Again. I am not part of the Trans Era Discord. I was never included or mentioned as wanting to participate in anything Sophia was organizing at that time. Ket had fuck all to do with the Cyberpunk issue since she was banned. So why, oh why, is anyone relitigating this bullshit to me, specifically, at this moment in time?

I didn't respond to it. Instead I let staff know about it, at which point another staffer admitted they'd been strung up about Ketkat on Discord. I called it what it was- a set up- and actually told us to disengage, that the talks were not going to be productive, and that it was going to blow up some way or another. There was a lot of back and forth about it, to which again I want to apologize to Sophia about, who took this endeavor on entirely by herself in an effort to fix things. Everything that has gone down is an absolute insult to her and her efforts, and I know my reluctance was another wrench in the works.

I also want to make it clear that I didn't say this with the attempt to paint every single trans person who is an Era member, or even the overwhelming majority of trans members, as problematic. Minorities as a whole are NOT the problem. The majority of us here all want the same goals at the end of the day, which is for ResetEra to be a place where minorities can comfortably discuss gaming from their unique points of view without the bullshit they face everywhere else on the Internet. Kyuuji, for example, has been an amazing force for getting these issues pushed to the forefront of the wider forum at large. But the unstated fact here is that a lot of the issues regarding the forum culture and the nature of our moderation are inexplicably tied into toxicity and long-held grudges, and some individuals will use genuine efforts to better the site as opportunities to harass staff, a lot of them not even being part of the aggrieved groups in question.

I also want to further preface this by saying that it is likely my belief that the meeting was about the Cyberpunk incident, when instead it was about previous grievances, was nothing more than the result of miscommunication. I wasn't there with Sophia for the majority of the planning, so I don't know anything that was discussed. But again, from my perspective, I'm getting pulled into some irrelevant shit for a discussion that I never actually volunteered for. So yeah, it smelled funny to me and thus I thought the talks were a bad idea.

But they went forward anyway, even with Sophia- whose mental health had already taken a downturn due to prior stress- pulling out because the rules for engagement that were apparently established beforehand weren't respected by a few individuals in the Discord, and made her personal situation worse. From the gist of the participants, things weren't going too well. I think that, in general, people have appreciated my presence in these matters before and that I have somewhat of a knack for community engagement, so against my better judgement, against everything, and everyone- actual friends of mine- screaming at me not to do it, it is at that point when the meeting was already underway that I finally told them to give me an invite to see if I could help.

The beginning actually went pretty well! Ignoring sudden deluges of questions and the inconvenient timer, A.by, Banshee McSpook, Robin, and others were asking me questions, I would answer them to the best of my ability, and they would understand, regardless of whether or not the answers were what they wanted to hear. There were even a few laughs to be had. For a moment it was a genuine roundtable, and I was hopeful, especially since it was going to give me an opportunity to discuss things that staff had been talking about regarding long-term solutions. I will also admit that again my overall lack of participation in the planning phases meant that some of my answers and understanding of the purpose of the meeting meant I was inaccurate or ignorant to some of the things that were brought up, and a few members felt I had just been tossed in there (and I want to again appreciate the concern, but again I willingly volunteered last minute to talk.)

I was eventually faced with a Google Doc of demands/bullet points, and Ketkat jumped in around this time. As I had figured out before then, this really wasn't about the latest kerfuffle. Not fully. It was partially about Ket; indeed the first three points of the list revolved around her to various degrees. After some beating around the bush, I told her straight to her face that she wasn't coming back and that any demands folks had regarding her were totally non-negotiable.

That's when and why things blew up. We didn’t get to the rest of the list or any other questions various folks may have had. I faced a mix of angry venting, the dismissal of my identity (I'm NB), deliberately bad-faith readings of my posts, and petty snipes, particularly from Papa Santanas, who is also permed and thus I don't have the pleasure of fucking bodying them personally for engaging in an overstepping of bounds that I will talk about at length later on. Now note, the anger from various folks didn't personally bother me; I understand, especially because I know real life 2020 shit is compounding on top of the problems people have with staff and the forum, and thus I don't mind if people need to vent.

However, Ket also tried to paint me as a liar for my participation in the debacle back in November 2019 on top of this, which is fucking ironic because I am one of the few reasons she even got a third (not even a second) chance in the first place. Let it be known- without me jumping in that day, and without me having it out with staff about how things went down, Ket would've still been gone the first time. So any problem she, or anyone else who is in her circle, has with me on that front, you can miss me with that. I don’t give a fuck.

Regardless, once things settled, I was disingenuously asked by Ket if I had anything to say to everything that I had been privy to, all of the venting and rage and sarcasm, as if there is some magical response anyone can craft in the face of tens of posts of stream-of-consciousness to make it all better. And I will reiterate the same sentiment to you all.

No.

I don't.

Because while I can jump into threads and mediate, and answer questions, and engage with ideas, and take things back to staff, and field PMs, and remind my team of outstanding issues and tickets and things of that nature, and further codify new lessons in the rules and staff policies, I can't eliminate the hurt, the grudges, the feelings of betrayal, and the resulting toxicity coming from all corners of this blasted website whenever shit goes down, a lot of which is from people's personal lives or involves fights I was never privy to, and it was wrong for me to try to involve myself. I'm not a fucking Magical Negro and I'm tired of trying to play one at the expense of my mental health when, ultimately, none of this shit matters.

Because again, all of this? It's not REALLY about Cyberpunk. It's not even really about a few dumb bans and Poodle's dismissive "pound sand" remark to A.by (which shouldn't have been done and was uncalled for, no matter how he feels about it). We ALL need to be honest about that. It's about people being angry, and people not liking each other, and people unhappy with the community demographics and how those demographics inform the atmosphere, and about how personally betrayed people feel when their friends get banned, which staff can’t actually do anything about. And if it's all really about that, then individuals need to ask themselves if Era, even at its best, can give them the online community they desire. Because if nothing else, if Era cannot be a safe space, if staff- if I, Nepenthe- have failed that fucking badly, then it's not fair to any minorities to stay in a hostile environment, and for those people, I will not tell them to stay. It is selfish to beg people to put up with shit they don't have to put up with for the veneer of harmony. I don't even do that with some of my Discord friends who don't post on Era anymore, so why would I do that to others?

(Note: This is ACTUALLY what people are referring to when they discuss the "admin who told them to fuck off." Notice how fucking weasely that characterization is? I never once told anyone to fuck off.)

So afterwards I talked a little more with A.by, specifically about how her ticket was dismissed and about receiving an apology from the staffers who signed off on it. I told her that was perfectly fair because it was unprofessional, and would take it up with relevant staff to get apologies underway. That's where things ended.

Actually, no it's not, because I got pinged hours later- literally around TEN HOURS- by Hexe regarding the above, who said something to the effect of "customer service speak strikes again!" At that point, I had had it. I had fucking had it. I made a crack about Hexe not having the spine to say some shit like that to me on the day of my birthday, reiterated my stance, thanked TransEra for allowing me to talk with them, and requested politely not be pinged again. Hexe then said something to the effect of "you have to understand that we are just angry, and the fact that you're receiving angry responses is not your fault."

Then don't fucking act like it's my fault. Don't insult me. Don't get your lick in hours later and fall back on how you feel or any perceived slights you have that have nothing to do with me, as if merely being upset allows you the moral high ground to treat anyone any kind of way. I won't mince words- this is simply justifying verbal abuse, no two ways about it. And this shit happens all the time to staff, and any members who can see the verbal abuse and the justifications for what it is and who then get caught in the crossfire. At that point, Robin ended it. Some time later on, me and Alice were forcibly kicked.

And you know how I'm fucking right about all of this? You know how I have ground to say this despite being a staffer who should "shut up and listen" and not "tone police?" You know how some of this behavior is NOT okay? I woke up that next morning to a whole-ass three apologies from participants, two of whom were Robin and A.by! A.by apologized for how angry she got (which, again, I say to her that anger is okay. Venting is okay, healthy even! Everything she said to me personally was fair game and I will stick by that) and Robin was dismayed about how the talks were unproductive and ultimately nasty because of those few rabblerousers.

(Robin, btw, PM'd me during the original Trans Week debacle to check up on me. She is legit a good person and is invited permanently to my cookouts.)

The other apology, I will not name unless the person wants me to for the sake of their privacy because of what happened to them after the fact (but they are also absolutely lovely and I wanna talk with them again): they said they received pushback from the Discord for even daring to suggest that treating me, Sophia, and Alice with a modicum of basic human dignity for walking up in there and trying to work things out was unthinkable, and that in reality we deserved everything coming to us.

Imagine how shitty I felt for this person, someone who wanted to help mend relations, who was actually excited about some of the stuff I was able to talk about, someone who wasn't even around for the whole Ketkat thing, being told that their concern about some members' behavior was inappropriate simply because we are staffers and thus we are the enemy. Imagine how shitty I felt hearing that, cementing my original belief that- yes- I had walked right into a trap beget by a few assholes hijacking an important moment against my own better judgement.

Alas, here we are, once again, where unaddressed anger and dumb, unforced errors on part of staff have resulted in yet another one of these blow ups. Yes, the ban on Sibylus was wrong in the way it was conducted, and no amount of staff frustration can make that one okay. So I apologize; the ticket was sent in and we’ve reduced the ban and updated the banner to be more accurate and professional. And again, I know none of this is what anyone wants to hear (but I'm not in a placating mood anyway), and yet people want to know, especially in the wake of what was done to Sibylus and A.By’s PM, is how can Trans Era trust staff? Indeed, Papa said some backhanded bullshit during the meeting like "is there anyone on staff who can properly represent their community?"

So, you want to talk about minority communities and how they're represented? Let's talk about them! Specifically Black ERA! My friends, nay- my family. Y'all ain't put them in your mouths a lot during this entire time. Because you know you can't (or you've forgotten our existence. Not the first time you've excluded us).

Black ERA exists in a space that is just as hostile to them as it is for Trans ERA. They put up with cracka-ass nonsense constantly, a lot of which is from folks who also happen to be LGBT. They have dealt with a staff that has overlooked their concerns and has been ignorant to the issues, philosophies, and culture surrounding blackness and all various black cultures. They too had a meeting, the first one on the forums proper. While staff in general were involved, me and Mist took the reins. We ran back and forth between both parties to organize how the meeting was to be conducted, took feedback, arranged solutions on the fly, all in an effort to let them speak. And speak they did.

Changes happened within reason. AAVE language bans largely stopped. Bans for anti-black racism and pro-cop sentiments were largely helmed by black staff and given the proper punishments they deserved, and in general we started treating that more seriously overall. A lot of bullshit “hostility” reports being directed to black members were batted away. And we have allowed more leeway to black members to go in on stupid, white-ass shit. Has it solved literally everything regarding the culture of Era? Is Era a haven where black members can exist freely without any worry of facing any anti-black sentiments? Well, no; just look at the last few pages of this thread. Overall, Era still is a space dominated by whiteness, which is inevitable by sheer demographic force and is something we cannot change unless we start banning white folks en masse (and everyone understands this won’t happen). There are still some bans that Black Era and the BCC Discord have problems with to this day. I actually got into a protracted slapfight about one ban that I personally enacted, and they are free to tell it themselves in here if they want to however they want to tell it.

But what cannot be said is that I did not try, that Mist and the rest of staff did not try. It cannot be said that we don’t care. It cannot be said that I was incompetent. It cannot be said that I go to bat for them just for the woke points. I cannot be said that they don’t have full trust in me as a black staffer to handle the forum to the best of my ability. And that is what is missing-- trust, and the understanding that there is only so much that individual staffers can do and change on a whim not just because of the forum structure, but because of the people who inhabit it, trust and understanding that our hearts are in the right place even if we cannot push as far as we want to go or achieve every single point on a bullet list that some members want, trust and understanding that if we can’t deliver on something, or even if we get it wrong, it’s not because we hate Black Era because they’re black. They understand that this is a working relationship regarding an imperfect hand being dealt, and that we service them with the intent to make a better space for them to the best of our abilities, inch by inch, day by day.

So I will stand here and declare with pride and confidence that I have done right by Black Era members, and that I have taken these same exact methods and attitudes with me to other communities, including Trans Era. But the fact remains that my efforts just aren't reciprocated in kind.

You want to talk about how minorities here are chased away by staff? Well, where the fuck is the thought for Black Era members when you all use anti-police and black power rhetoric in an effort to foolishly demonstrate your contempt for staff? Where the fuck is your thought for Black Era when you start talking about MLK? Where the fuck is your thought for Black Era when you are NOWHERE to be found defending them when political armchair analysts shit on black people for being low-information voters, homophobes, or saboteurs of elections because they don’t want to vote for candidates that are pro-police? Where the fuck is your thought for Black Era when you co-opt our pain, our issues, our realities, solely for scoring points in some nonsnse internet drama? You want to know one of the reasons why a lot of Black Era doesn’t really engage with you all at this point in time with the exception of a few threads and their community thread? Look in a fucking mirror. Papa did that shit in the meeting too, and again I’m mad they’re permed because I can’t say this to their face. I’m paraphrasing, but this is what she said:

“Imagine being black or Asian and coming to the conclusion that staff just outright hate you for being a minority.”

This right here? Look at it. This is pure, unadulterated crackery. The whitest whitery that ever did white. This is Super Saiyan Blue Karen. It is some of the most uncolored bullshit I could have encountered in a meeting that had absolutely nothing to do with people of color in the first place!

So shame on those of you responsible for the shit you have been pulling, and the shit you pulled the last time during the Asian Era blow-up (Yeah, don’t think I forgot that purple Punisher logo), and every other time we’ve come to this point. I’m sure you’ve been seeing perms for the equation of anything that goes on on ERA to the reality of being black in America. Hello. That was my doing, and I don’t regret it. I don’t care what mistakes we have made, and I don’t even care what bigoted bullshit game companies have put out at this point. You are not George Floyd. You are not Breonna Taylor. You are not any of the myriad of black victims (many of which are trans) who have been legitimately lost to the spectre of white supremacy.

And again, this isn’t the first time this has happened- I’ve seen y’all try to gaslight about that and act like this is new. It ain’t new. What’s new is that this is the first time that I and Black Era are actually checking your asses in public. If you want this to be a forum that takes into account ACTUAL intersectionality, that is a safe space for ALL minorities, not just the groups you and your friends happen to belong to, do your due diligence to your black brothers and sisters and keep our names and our issues out your fucking mouths over forum bullshit. Or else you can get kicked off too.

This is another reason I’m fed up to the moon, and I will declare publicly that my staff team, particularly the ones of you who warned us for literally months that we would be strung up by some of these bad faith actors and trolls who always hijack these conversations, you were right. You were bang on right. And I’m sorry for not heeding the warnings. The sheer disingenuousness that runs concurrent through these conversations, and the inability for staff to check things like this because trying to do so and reroute things back to a course of productivity and understanding is picked apart with the most bad-faith readings imaginable and dismissed as tone-policing and ignoring the issues, even when it comes at the cost of stepping on other minorities in the process.

To say nothing of the fact that this behavior, as noted, runs rampant in the various community Discords too before it’s pushed back onto the forums writ large. A lot of feelings of anger, resentment, and dissatisfaction are had in places where we’re not present, or at the very least where we’re not staff. And it’s not like I don’t get it. Shit-talking and venting is gonna happen off-site. I’ve done it, you’ve done it. We’ve all done it. But it gets out of hand and makes it even harder for us to discern what is and isn’t good faith engagement when it gets self-perpetuating and unchallenged, and thus becomes part of the Discords’ culture, where even trans individuals can’t tell others to cool it a little bit without getting jumped on for "defending us." It gets perilous when you’ve got members from Era hopping on to Discords to stir up shit and then coming back here smiling in our face about the next blow-up that’s undoubtedly coming.

I’m not the only one this happens to. Every other staff member has at least several stories about some Discord or another opining that we’re legitimately out to get people, which only makes it that much harder to even engage in the chatting and discussions you supposedly want us to be involved in on site. People say they want us to be more active in threads. Who would want to do that when it’s clear a lot of folks just don’t like us as people? Like, why would I want to hang with someone who is not even intent on trying to coexist with me? I wouldn’t. Hell, you want to know why it’s easier for people to leave staff than it is for people to come aboard, even if we took out the interview process entirely? Because a lot of the people who turn us down just don’t want to deal with it. They see these threads, they see the attacks, they’re in the Discords reading what is posted, and they think “you must think I’m crazy to do this shit.”

Ultimately the fact that I have been afraid to even confront this at all because I thought I would be risking irrevocable damage to myself and the site, no matter the cost to my self-esteem and mental health, is indicative of just how much I was taken for a fool, and to everyone who does come into these threads and discussions with good faith and intentions, and to my Black Era family, I am sorry for denigrating myself like that for, again, well over a year. But it’s as I said in the Asian Era fallout, and it’s as I said with the Discord meeting, I’m done caring about platitudes and sucking up. I’m done caring about feelings, because most of y’all don’t give a fuck about mine anyway. I want ideas and results. I'm still prepared to work. So while you pick apart my post and tell me to go fuck myself, here’s what I plan to try and accomplish in the days and weeks going forward:

In the Asian Era meeting, a lot of discussion was had about the desire to actually ban people less for prejudices that could reasonably stem from ignorance rather than outright hatred, and that they wanted the chance to actually educate people on their particular issues and culture before we simply concluded they didn’t belong and tossed them out. I put in the idea of having an area of the forum, like a page, that is a huge compendium of resources related to minority issues, something that members can use as a tool of learning and a guide for engagement. It would include links to books, articles, videos, and other resources for better understanding issues that affect minorities, and it could be an on-going document that everyone contributes to. Not only do I think it’s a great idea in general to have this, but it will also hopefully cut down on disingenuous JAQing off in threads themselves, where minorities have to answer basic-ass shit that someone could’ve just read up on before they decided to engage a thread. I got a few PMs and some forum bookmarks that I want to use to start, but it’s going to need some work and research.

And to TransEra, you still are owed an explanation about what we’re going to do going forward regarding how we handle games like Cyberpunk. I don’t know if it’s been said before, but what we will do is directly oversee the OTs for such games and directly jump in to mitigate any ridiculous hype that is occurring at the cost of inclusion of minorities’ participation in such threads. So quicker and stricter bans for dismissiveness, for #oppressedgamer talk, and any of that nonsense will happen, as well as more thread consolidations. Hogwarts is coming up and it's our chance to head this situation off at the pass. Just as well, JK Rowling has been a subject of contention. Staff have been talking about whether or not to mitigate, if not outright ban Harry Potter talk for months now, which was actually a pleasant surprise to some of the Discord meeting participants. I want staff to get together as soon as possible and make a definitive ruling on how we are to deal with the franchise’s presence on this forum, and announce it to you all.

The last thing in general is regarding staff accountability, which is another thing that came up in the Discord meeting. Hecht has been spearheading these efforts already, but in short, what I want to do is solidify new rules for engagement in contentious threads on part of staff, protocol for when shit hits the fan because of their words and behavior, review protocols to undertake to establish where things went wrong, and measures of punishment for when a staffer continues to fuck up or goes past the pale, including immediate dismissals if it gets to that point in the future. I want these done ASAP and shared with you all as well, so you can know for certain that we are not above being beholden to stricter standards.

So that’s what I wanna do. Fuck all the bullshit. Fuck all the charges. At this point, it isn’t helping. What will help is me getting to work and implementing these things, so I’m going to work. You’re free to suggest things to help with that, and I’ll bring them back to staff. You’re also free to keep calling us incompetent and bigots. Again, I don’t care, but I’m not listening and internalizing that shit anymore.

At this point in Era’s lifespan, my tenure is the most uncertain it’s ever been. I’ve given all I’ve got, and my efforts, my beliefs, my intents, are not reciprocated in kind by way too many people to make it worth it. The three things above are what I want to absolutely finish before I think about walking away. I think I owe you all at least that. Don’t consider this a formal resignation though, because things can always change. If Era gets to a point where I am not obligated to take a bunch of mental anguish everytime something goes wrong, where I am not obligated to sit and allow people to talk to me like I’m any ol’ worthless nigga in the street, then sure, I’ll stay aboard. If that cannot happen, if staff are not going to be respected for the Herculean effort of trying to create the kind of large-scale online space that, as far as I know, does not and never has existed, if staff are going to continue to receive shit until they just burn out and shut down while being told they don’t deserve better just as human beings, then I’m gone. I’ve fucking had enough.

To everyone throughout my tenure who has reached out to any of staff, who has said they appreciate our efforts, who has come up to talk to us because they trusted that we genuinely want to make Era something special, and who have engaged in these threads in good faith, thank you. To those who are just here to have a go at staff, who think that the gall to volunteer our time for this place means it is open season on us, to those who think that we are your punching bags?

Pound sand.

[Potato]

The origin of Nepenthe's "Take a carrot, leave a carrot" philosophy

holy shit
[quote=Nepenthe, https://www.resetera.com/threads/lebron-james-becomes-a-billionaire-first-active-nba-player-to-do-so.590304/page-4#post-87649902]

*Benji's search for the holy grail carrot*

    

Okay I'm done trying to find it for real.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%9Cfuck-capitalism%E2%80%9D-ok-cool-i-agree-too-but-what-are-the-legitimate-alternatives-that-wouldn%E2%80%99t-ruin-the-world-more-than-it-already-is.655698/page-13#post-96795699

Pretty sure it's in this thread somewhere. 

I'm still searching for it, but this is possibly one of the greatest threads to ever exist on Resetera. Just full on unhinged Nep lunacy.

EDIT: I think this is it and we summarised it into a carrot

You don't have a menial job to go to at a certain time anymore, working for a boss, although you are expected to reasonably pitch in towards the maintenance of the utilities and resources you want to access within your community. Ex. You take from a public garden then you better make sure you're putting back what you took for the next person who comes along somehow, either through time spent cultivating it or providing resources for its maintenance.

As usual, Nepenthe take 60 words to say what can be said better in 6.

EDIT 2: Yep, I found the original post where this was discovered.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48241.msg3074789#msg3074789

Kudos to Snoopycat for the original find. 

Also credit to Jansen for being first to find the thread.

 for first using the "Take a book, leave a book" phrase.

EDIT 3: First reference to carrots was haughtyfrank

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48241.msg3074862#msg3074862

EDIT 4: Propagandhim with the first use of "Take a carrot, leave a carrot"!!!!!!!
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=48241.msg3074870#msg3074870

[benji]

The Dignified Life We Deserve

Well again, one of the problems I have with socialism is like you said- it's basically capitalism without capitalists. Most people are beholden to growthism and the idea that we need to produce just to produce, so I don't think you're going to get a lot of socialist fantasy that is significantly different from stories of a capitalistic status quo. I also did agree that leftist needs to get better at storytelling and plain language, and allow ourselves to be imaginative rather than sticking within circles that espouse theory as jargon. I actually did start briefly making a personal kind of world-building document for myself about what I would imagine a "post capitalist" society to be, both to have some sort of idea to pitch to people and work towards tangibly in the real world, and as a vehicle to read and learn more about alternative ways and philosophies of living. In many ways, it is like a lot of children's cartoons for the 80s in that it is primarily communal. My basic ideas were as follows:

You don't have a menial job to go to at a certain time anymore, working for a boss, although you are expected to reasonably pitch in towards the maintenance of the utilities and resources you want to access within your community. Ex. You take from a public garden then you better make sure you're putting back what you took for the next person who comes along somehow, either through time spent cultivating it or providing resources for its maintenance. Libraries of the commons would also be a more fundamental public service where you can have access to the tools and items you may need without having to necessarily go and buy them; people donate usable but unwanted "things" (cookware, furniture, lawn equipment, clothing, etc.) and you rent this like you would a book at a library, and bring it back when you're done. Art and culture would still be valuable pursuits too, and indeed, freer expressions of self and culture would be encouraged: city and park demonstrations, more volunteer upkeep of buildings, more public paintings and graffiti, street music, etc. People should be encouraged to be creative and have fun with others. Housing would be more mixed; closer quarters where most amenities (bars and restaurants, clubs, pharmacies, grocery stores, etc.) are within walking or biking distance. And so long as a spot or joint is free and fits your living needs, you can claim it as your home so long as you promise to abide by whatever community and/or local ordinances exist there. Political organization would be expressed through a consensus based form of representation. Everyone is encouraged to participate in local meetings to address grievances, and goals and demands are reached through discussion and consensus and delivered to a higher presiding body by a representative who is voted on by the chosen body. This representative would ideally not always be the same person to temper the inclination of power-tripping. Also, we're fucking off of fossil fuels permanently and our public transporation is robust and strong. Solarpunk reality baby.

I didn't write much more than that, but that was my starting idea for a little fantasy world. You wake up, get yourself together, and essentially go about your day however you choose without the threat of coercive labor forcing you to do shit you don't really want to do. You wanna hang at the local bar with your friends, take a trip into the wilderness, etc. then go for it. Be merry. If you wish to use a public service in society, get groceries and supplies, or anything else, it is simply mandated that you maintain and use it responsibly and return it back for the rest of the community to use too. It's not too horrible, is it?

My ideal society imagines a world that pushes true self-actualization of the individual and participation within a community to take care of a sustainable world.

You're not toiling in retail, in a warehouse, or a cubicle for 35-40 years to enrich some fucking asshole who makes thousands of times what you do for far less work. You do the minimum that you need to do under the understanding that you are contributing meaningful work to society, and then you are not only free but encouraged to pursue your interests and talents through free and cheap access to education, workshops, and grassroots organizations and groups, knowing that the more human beings we allow to pursue and develop their strengths, the likelier we increase our discovery of new breakthroughs in our lives, whether socially or technologically.

Your amenities and shops are not miles and miles away necessitating an expensive-ass car that needs expensive-ass gas or for you to stop every so often to charge it up again. If you're far out or taking a long trip, then you've got robust public options to get to where you need to go.

You've got family, friends, and neighbors who actually give a damn about you for you, who see about you, and who make sure you're alright. Indeed, your first option before going to buy something should be asking if your friend or neighbor can help you out, and they likely will knowing you'll return the favor. "Cup of sugar politics" as I call it.

The streets and parks are actually alive with art (real fucking art, not this AI trash), music, dancing, food and other cultural footnotes. Kids are drawing with chalk. Folks are skating up and down the road. Some musicians have met up to jam. People are hanging out talking about their lives and dating healthily.

You don't worry about crime really all that much. Not only are people's needs largely being met, but we have communal ways and deterrents to prevent assholes from taking advantage without having to sic jack-booted racists on them.

I want to live in a country whose politics focus less on property and consumption and more on people and socializing. I want a country where I can easily find friends, or someone to talk to, or a cool boyfriend. I want to be able to walk down to the park and see a festival going on and be obliged to join in. I want to sit on the porch during the evening and chat it up with my neighbors.

I want to have a fucking life on a planet whose ecosystems aren't dying to fill the holes in our hearts and spirits with video games and phones.