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[Boredfrom]

DUDE WHAT? 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/which-is-the-most-iconic-star-wars-theme-duel-of-fates-or-imperial-march.799011/

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aquaman-and-the-lost-kingdom-review-thread.797772/page-5?post=116723988#post-116723988

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but all the "it wasn't that bad, I Had Fun, critics were harsh" takes on the DC subreddit are cracking me up.

 

[benji]

Does praising the deed automatically mean that the goal of conditioning the perceptions of wealthy philanthropers has succeeded. When regarding, specifically, the people in this thread?

It's not the praising of the deed that is necessarily indicative of the conditioning. It's the weird aggression that results when you criticize the social and political ramifications of philanthropy from the wealthy.

Saying that you're happy the dogs got adopted is a different sentiment from insisting that anyone who does not fall in line with praising any individual wealthy person for doing a good deed must have some sort of character or mental defect.

They must be cynical, depressive, jealous, lazy, insincere, a trickster, a troglodyte. The very act of defiance against the wealthy for giving a fraction of their wealth to something is the cause of the attacks and defensiveness here.

It's basically a hit dog hollering, in the same way that merely saying you're vegan can immediately cause people to devolve into assholes who rub their omnivorous ways in your face. The lack of thought into the general systems we live under, the idea that we might be participating in or adding to harm despite considering ourselves good people, causes discomfort, and one way some folks deal with the contradiction is to lash out and say that the people who act or think differently are the real problem.

Could you please not put words in my mouth? Thank you.

I'm not attributing these words to you.

Regardless, can you stop presuming that people being critical of MrBeast are exhausting and depressing, or that we have angst?

what is this non capitalist utopia world supposed to look like? who is actually going to work and how do we avoid going back to the same place with employers and employees etc?

A non-capitalist system does not mean that work is not done unless you think pre-capitalist empires just didn't exist or something, that people just sat around and lazed away until the enlightened Europeans "brought civilization upon" (aka genocided, enslaved, underdeveloped, etc.) the sloths and the brutes.

The goal of socialists is to simply move to an economic system where the same (helpful) work is being done now, but instead of one sociopathic asshole owning the factory, the workers own the factory. The moral argument for this is that the one sociopathic asshole up top physically can not provide enough labor to justify keeping billions of dollars to himself in profits, especially as he's off golfing or buying yachts or whatever the fuck; the workers who actually make the stuff and perform the services are. Ergo, the profits and managerial decisions should be more fairly split. Cars, clothes, and most importantly of all, video game consoles, will still be made, don't worry. The workers will just be happier and have better bargaining and political power.

Furthermore, stripping economical power from the hands of the few and distributing it among as many people as possible means we actually have a greater chance to make political headway on the rest of the things the public actually wants like gun control, healthcare, and global warming initiatives. Why is this? It's simple. We know already that the big reason nothing usually gets done in the US that most people want, regardless of political affiliation, is because all of the actual economic and subsequently the political power rests with a few thousand people whose wealth outstrips almost everyone else's on Earth combined. And those people lobby our politicians with millions to keep these shitty outcomes in place simply because it's more economically advantageous for them.

If there's less guns on the streets, where does the NRA get its millions? If insurance companies cannot charge you whatever they want for procedures and drugs that are pennies on the dollar everywhere else, where do they get their billions? If gas companies have to cease mining for fossil fuels no matter how much it destroys the planet, what are they gonna tell their shareholders as short term profits fall? To the capitalist, who cares if these things would be good for the public? Good public initiatives that ensure more people have access to a good quality of life don't always make profit, but making bigger profits than you did last quarter is the point of capitalism today. No seriously, it is straight illegal for companies to act in ways that would cause shareholder profits to drop, even if doing so results in, like, a better world.

This is the fundamental contradiction capitalists can't really square. It has killed millions of people at this point, it's rendering our planet more and more hostile to human life, and this in turn will kill even more millions- billions if the absolute worst of what climate science is saying comes to fruition. There is no physical law in the universe that says we must build our socioeconomic system on a hierarchical, continuously-gorging model like this (which is why capitalism was largely forced upon people at the end of a gun barrel); we literally can do something, anything, else. Socialism is just but one way.

Holy shit is she proudly and arrogantly ignorant about things she loves lecturing people about. Is there a single thing in this post that's correct?

This is exactly how it comes across though. You aren't overthrowing capitalism by being a smartass to people about mr beast. you do it to make yourself feel good about yourself.

Sure, making MrBeast defenders mad is funny.

But you're still throwing out a strawman; no one here is under the impression that discussion on ResetEra is physically changing the world. We're all chatting. Beating our gums. Shooting the shit. It just so happens to be that the things I have to say about this particular discussion are anticapitalist in nature. If you want me to engage in vapid positivity, make a thread about Lucio fanart. I'll be there in a heartbeat being brainless.

However, my beliefs are sincere, despite what you and others have implied throughout this thread and probably in some fucking Discords. I fundamentally believe that the capitalist systems I live under were founded upon and subsequently are sustained by the oppression of Black people. As a Black person who has read at least a few books and listened to a few civil rights leaders outside of MLK and Malcolm, I feel personally obligated to stand against these systems on principle. And thus, if I happen to roll across a conversation where I feel like people are- inadvertently or otherwise- defending systems that hurt my people, I'm going to say something.

If you, Hodgy, don't care about Black issues, that's whatever. You ain't the first nor will be the last person to not give a shit so it's no skin off my nose. But to assume that my arguments in here are not genuine, that I literally only say the things I do just to make people mad, honestly kinda pisses me off more than admitting you are in here fighting back against the so-called mob despite not even having watched the video! I at least grit my teeth and got through it myself; surely you could put in the same effort?

Remember, she's not mad, do not put in the paper that she was mad.

You're not actually addressing the arguments within your dismissal. You're just going back into the same personal attacks everyone else has leveled when they can't be bothered to address the actual points, swinging it back around to "you just hate MrBeast!"

Honestly? Who cares if someone does or doesn't like him? He's a fucking multimillionaire with an army of nerds at the ready to defend the honor of a complete and total stranger at the drop of a hat. He'll be perfectly fine, and if for some reason he's actually reading this thread and having an emotional crisis over it, he can afford therapy. Regardless his likeability literally has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Also, no one here has any power over you that prevents you from driving by with vapid positivity. It's not against the rules. I can't ban you or anything. My critiques are not stopping you from having a good time unless you are dependent upon the thread being a total echo chamber to post whatever the fuck you want. Give him his flowers then move on like plenty of other members have already.

[benji]

Nepenthe's posts aren't the worst thing in that thread. The worst are the people praising Nepenthe's posts like that dude quoted above.

"making the same excellent points over and over while the responses you get demonstrate a complete inability to actually engage in the issue"

Nepenthe could never handle someone who has any ability to actually engage in the issue of "anti-capitalist" thought. There's a couple of them posting in that thread but they know it's futile to drag her for even a single thing she's said. I'd feel the same way as them because I myself couldn't pick just what single thing to publicly humiliate her about. You'd have to educate her too much before she could even respond. Like, you're telling me she wouldn't refuse to define "capitalism" if I asked her with the riotous account? She'd claim she'd done so already or tell me to read a book even as her description of capitalism sounds like socialism and vice versa.

I'm not being facetious, I simply cannot comprehend how she would understand a question like "so after we've 'tried anything else' or 'socialism' can two people mutually agree to trade? Can I offer to labor on someone else's video game console in exchange for them laboring on my car? Can we each keep the proceeds of the trade or are they entirely confiscated by the community?" She's going to spit out an error code.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/there-is-an-ongoing-genocide-occurring-in-congo-cw-sexual-assault.798993/?post=116799432#post-116799432

The unequal exchange and exploitative extraction that the imperial core does to the periphery, including the DRC is horrific. Just continuing the oppression in a post colonial reality because the plunder and oppression of previous centuries was never truly atoned for, let alone the retribution required by true decolonization.

Literal word vomit as usual by Booshka. Doesn’t even understand a single bit of that conflict

Coming back around to this because it's common on ResetERA.com. They don't even think about how "true decolonization" would mean the Democratic Republic of the Congo wouldn't even exist. I can't vouch for the accuracy of these maps (sourced from a mapporn subreddit lol) they're just showing the point I'm trying to make about the Western/American single-class provincialism of ResetERA.com and its biggest activist-imperialist core members:



Meanwhile, their thought leader:

The moment I learned that capitalism as we know it today can only truly exist on the deliberate destruction of my people is the day it was easy to become a consistent critic of it. The well being and autonomy of Black people alone is non-negotiable.

Who is trying to get into the history books? That's what you find important?

Caring about the autonomy of my people means that I want to be famous for it, I guess.

They're "one big blob" to her so you don't see her in that thread calling for the break up of the DRC which exists mostly within lines drawn up by white cishet dudes in 1885. Instead she's posting bitching about Westerners:

There's just kind of this unspoken apathy wherein the systemic perils of people in African countries is just, like, a natural happenstance or just the way things are, and everyone seems to walk around mysteriously acting like they haven't a clue as to why that is. Black people have been beaten into the ground for so long that this is just "normal." But war with a Western country or ally? All of a sudden it's the most pressing thing on the planet.

You aren't wrong. A lot of the opposition to aparthied wasn't that it was morally wrong, but that it was embarrassing.

Part of the attempt on Brazil to lure in workers and investment from the European continent after abolition was basically "We're not as barbaric as the Americans!" without really trying any meaningful attempt to institute laws and restoration to fully integrate freed Africans into society. To say nothing of the fact that it took them longer to even achieve abolition than the United States did.

Racism will be rendered gauche and uncool at best, but the moment you start try to fix things by redistributing money, land, and power, they'll put a stop to that shit pronto.

It's especially funny because Mobutu called himself an anti-capitalist (and said a lot of the same dumb shit she says) and engaged in mass redistributions of money (mainly by printing it into worthlessness), land and power.

edit: Obligatory:

Most people here truly don't care about these big historical and social mores the way I do

[Pwnz]

In a way, Nep is similar to Trump in that we took so many things for granted that were just unofficial formalities in admin.

[kaleidoscopium]

I can't believe that Charles Manson and the Stanford Prison Experiment got brought up in a thread about a dude helping dogs get adopted. 😩

Not too often I agree with Eden but seriously. If a mod wasn’t involved with this we would have seen warnings at least if not temp bans for “inappropriate comparison” 😂

[benji]

It was RedMercury who made it but OBVIOUSLY Mr. Beast has not led a murder cult (THAT WE KNOW OF):

One pattern I've been noticing on Era is that there are a fair number of posters that seem to believe that if someone is trying to do some good within the confines of a pervasive but flawed system (e.g., capitalism), that good, in and of itself, is in some way bad if it's using that system. These people seem to have entirely lost the forest from the trees.

This is an entirely normal thing that everyone does all the time, it's not just here. If Charles Manson ran a cookie drive for a local charity, and it raised a lot of money, people would still be pretty conflicted that it was Charlie Manson that did it. Everyone knows and understands good things can come from bad places, good things can happen even with bad intent at the outset. People are always weighing the immediate good versus the overall good, the gross versus the net, whatever way you want to put it.

Obviously Beast is not Charles Manson, he hasn't led a murder cult. What he is is an incredibly wealthy person existing in a time of great disparity when even housing and health care are difficult for people to afford. Of course, of course the inherent inequality is going to play a factor off the bat, let alone the other more personal allegations against him. The guy is not a Saint, he is a human being with flaws, and people are going to weigh those flaws just like with everyone else.

[DocWager]

Can somebody just remind Nep she has a yellow fur suit, so please shut the fuck up already you chat bot using idiot?

[kaleidoscopium]

I have to wonder what they mean by the constant references to Elon using his money for philanthropy and then for evil. He… wasted money on Twitter? Is that all they have? 😂

I know they are addicted to social media but that’s hilariously retarded

[benji]

Don't forget AI. Also he tweets dumb stuff, the biggest sign of evil.

[benji]

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/aquaman-and-the-lost-kingdom-review-thread.797772/page-5?post=116728836#post-116728836

Now that he's got a turd under his belt, I feel like I can now safely confess I always hated Dudebro Aquaman and was rooting for him to fail.

..phew. Damn, it feels good to finally say it.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mr-beast-gets-100-abandoned-dogs-adopted.798543/page-14?post=116804343#post-116804343
Mile High Gator

One pattern I've been noticing on Era is that there are a fair number of posters that seem to believe that if someone is trying to do some good within the confines of a pervasive but flawed system (e.g., capitalism), that good, in and of itself, is in some way bad if it's using that system. These people seem to have entirely lost the forest from the trees.

Blue Venus RedMercury

This is an entirely normal thing that everyone does all the time, it's not just here. If Charles Manson ran a cookie drive for a local charity, and it raised a lot of money, people would still be pretty conflicted that it was Charlie Manson that did it. Everyone knows and understands good things can come from bad places, good things can happen even with bad intent at the outset. People are always weighing the immediate good versus the overall good, the gross versus the net, whatever way you want to put it.

Obviously Beast is not Charles Manson, he hasn't led a murder cult. What he is is an incredibly wealthy person existing in a time of great disparity when even housing and health care are difficult for people to afford. Of course, of course the inherent inequality is going to play a factor off the bat, let alone the other more personal allegations against him. The guy is not a Saint, he is a human being with flaws, and people are going to weigh those flaws just like with everyone else.

[malfoyking]

So with that idiotic line of thinking according to RedMercury, there is no situation in which a rich person can ever do a good thing even if that person came from poverty and made something that made them rich and just wants to give back.

Is it Mr Beast's fault that there is rampant inequality? Did Mr Beast personally cause the inequality? 

Not trying to defend best or anything. I don't listen or watch Mr beast, I don't ever plan to. To me, he's just another internet personality. 

But era's hate of the guy is nothing but pure JEALOUSY. Straight up.

Also; Fuck you Nepenthe. Just adding that because you're a bitch (Hint: Not using it in the female offensive...).

[Water Enjoyer]

I don't care if MrBeast personally invested ten trillion dollars into the Global South (distributed as per the approximate amount of systemic injustice they suffered at the hands of cishet white capital colonialism; the methodology is NOT for public viewing) when the total debt owed is 10,000,000,000,001

[Water Enjoyer]

And this doesn't even BEGIN to account for the countless losses suffered in genocides waged against digital minorities for decades.

[benji]

Unless all the money, all the land and all the culture ever stolen from Black people by yt cishet males is given back along with interest and extensive degrowth occurs across the entire planet to eliminate all traces of capitalism, genocide, queerphobia and slavery from history then I don't want to hear shit about Mr. Beast or any other chuds who are continuing to do the harm to my people* by refusing to go back where they belong and sticking to their own fucked up corrupt bloodline. Nobody wants to hear your shit, shutting the fuck up is free. Don't you dare imply I'm exhausted, depressed and angry by this fucking shit. I'm so tired.

*suburban furries

[benji]

Nobody wants to hear your shit, shutting the fuck up is free.

LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK

[Eric Cartman]

I wonder if I had an alt account with like the avatar of a white Overwatch character and a fake biography resembling Vaush that I stuck to, but said the same stuff that I'm saying now, then some folks might actually take me more seriously lmfao.

Is there an episode of Undercover Boss where the CEincognitO is such a fucking belligerent incompetent they get fired on their first day and are escorted off the premises by security? Because that's how I imagine that going.

Assuming she doesn't tell the other staff its an alt anyway and they don't pull a BlonsonRee where the mods are all "WOW look at this AMAZING first post from a TOTALLY NEW member, let's STICKY THIS GREAT THREAD by this TOTAL STRANGER!"

[Eric Cartman]

what is this non capitalist utopia world supposed to look like? who is actually going to work and how do we avoid going back to the same place with employers and employees etc?

A non-capitalist system does not mean that work is not done unless you think pre-capitalist empires just didn't exist or something, that people just sat around and lazed away until the enlightened Europeans "brought civilization upon" (aka genocided, enslaved, underdeveloped, etc.) the sloths and the brutes.

The goal of socialists is to simply move to an economic system where the same (helpful) work is being done now, but instead of one sociopathic asshole owning the factory, the workers own the factory. The moral argument for this is that the one sociopathic asshole up top physically can not provide enough labor to justify keeping billions of dollars to himself in profits, especially as he's off golfing or buying yachts or whatever the fuck; the workers who actually make the stuff and perform the services are. Ergo, the profits and managerial decisions should be more fairly split. Cars, clothes, and most importantly of all, video game consoles, will still be made, don't worry. The workers will just be happier and have better bargaining and political power.

Furthermore, stripping economical power from the hands of the few and distributing it among as many people as possible means we actually have a greater chance to make political headway on the rest of the things the public actually wants like gun control, healthcare, and global warming initiatives. Why is this? It's simple. We know already that the big reason nothing usually gets done in the US that most people want, regardless of political affiliation, is because all of the actual economic and subsequently the political power rests with a few thousand people whose wealth outstrips almost everyone else's on Earth combined. And those people lobby our politicians with millions to keep these shitty outcomes in place simply because it's more economically advantageous for them.

Holy shit is she proudly and arrogantly ignorant about things she loves lecturing people about. Is there a single thing in this post that's correct?

What, y'all never heard of all those pre-capitalist empires whose wealth and power was diffused across the collective instead of centralised into a central figurehead usually under martial authority?
Read a book sometime

[Eric Cartman]

Can't even WAKANDA FOREVER these brain worms, because that was a hereditary monarchy seemingly legislated by trial by combat

[Eric Cartman]

I'm also never gonna find the "EAT THE RICH! YES, ALL THE RICH!" rhetoric on era not funny, because the dumb shits are global 1%ers in terms of wealth.

Something something leopards eating faces party something something

[Eric Cartman]

im pretty sure that pre-capitalist empires had kings/tsars/top priests/supreme rulers/whatever at the top, how is this different from having a boss and a government above you, except for the ability to choose your career?

if everything is reset, how do you fairly assign people to jobs? i would like to have a cosy office job rather than work in a field harvesting food, but why would i be able to?

if i want to spend all my days creating a video game that no one will ever play, how is that fair to the dude in the field collecting food?

i do want to make clear that rich people can obviously fuck off. no one needs a hundred yachts, private jets and a vault with golden coins. but i dont see how this capitalism as an ultimate threat works, seeing that we have had some communist countries crash and burn spectacularly

[Eric Cartman]

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, TOS UPDATES ADMINS

[AldusMoneyPenny]

im pretty sure that pre-capitalist empires had kings/tsars/top priests/supreme rulers/whatever at the top, how is this different from having a boss and a government above you, except for the ability to choose your career?

if everything is reset, how do you fairly assign people to jobs? i would like to have a cosy office job rather than work in a field harvesting food, but why would i be able to?

if i want to spend all my days creating a video game that no one will ever play, how is that fair to the dude in the field collecting food?

i do want to make clear that rich people can obviously fuck off. no one needs a hundred yachts, private jets and a vault with golden coins. but i dont see how this capitalism as an ultimate threat works, seeing that we have had some communist countries crash and burn spectacularly

Strange how most of the people arguing for this particular division of labor work in creative, office, and other jobs that don't involve laboring in the hot sun all day, shoveling shit or piss, etc. Sounds good, as long as you don't get reassigned. Oh, don't like your job? No carrots for you. Signed, the one who is more equal than the others.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

He has interacted with the GOP and idolise right-wing voices. And it won't be surprising if he even got into office as a Democrat, signalling himself as a "kind moderate" or socially-left fisical-libertarian.

Doesn't matter what political spectrum he claims to align himself with, no matter what acts of good he has done, he's a ticking scandal timebomb. He buys influence, has a messiah complex, and has a massive cult.

That's enough to tell me he's bad juju

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mr-beast-gets-100-abandoned-dogs-adopted.798543/post-116811576

Bad juju
This is a disparaging term created by white foreigners to describe the purported supernatural activity involved in indigenous West African spirituality. By the way, what do you imagine that the West Africans think about walking on water, or coming back from the dead, or being born from immaculate conception?

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/03/13/pop-language-quiz-racist-racist/

[Nintex]

Capitalism is shit and we fast approaching the end of it thank god, but inequality and hyerarchization of society didn't start with capitalism and the end of capitalism won't bring and end to it.

Correct, it was the degeneracy of the west that started it much like how Weimar gave birth to the Nazis 
 

Inequality and hyerarchization started with the agricultural revolution +10000 years ago, an really consolidated during the Bronze Age.

There's been much talk about the Vinĉa and the Cucuteni/Trypillia cultures, both considered among the first if not the first european civilizations , dating to 5500 BC, one in present day Serbia and the other in present day Moldova. They have a low level of social stratification and no sign of armed conflicts.

You are correct, there is no sign of armed conflict in Serbia or Transdniestria even though NATO warmongers are trying to create conflict by occupying Moldova and Kosovo
 

Thiese societies have been considered the first communist utopias amongst some authors, the most famous of which was Maria Gimbutas, but lately this interpretation have been falling out of favor. Although nothing is settled in archeology and things are still up for debate, we can consider those civilizations transitional ones.

Only societies were we find true redistribution of wealth is in hunter-gatherer societies, and even i those we can find example of dual models, in which they would switch from a hierarchical to a non-hierarchical form of society depending on food scarcity, weather patterns etc.

So the thing is, how do we evolve towards a more fair societal model in a post agriculture revolution, post-capitalism, globalized world? Noone has the answer to that, and much less economic models from 150y ago.

We know what must be done, we must remove the American imperialists from Europe and Denazify their sattelite states 
 

I'm a proponent of the de-growth movement, but I have zero faith that it will be implemented in the way it should be implemented. Yeah, we will reach the limit of growth, but it's going to.be a rude awakening for all involved, specially and unfortunately for those in developing countries.

So post-capitalism, end of growth world, how it will look like? It will be the end of globalization, much more local economies, local energy sources, end of waste as well and probably less inequality, but not an end of inequality and things can also end up being much worse, all depending in how we handled the transition.

Thats right we will all have our sovereignty back in this new multilateral global order. Everyone will have to rely on their local energy sources and of their historic homeland
   

Noone really knows how things will turn out to be and noone has the answer to capitalism (a realistic answer) for more books that they've read about it.

I don't have any faith in the right (obviously) but I also have little in the left, because I've been part of leftist movements for +30y and I've seen how the destroy themselves from inside, and how they fight each other more than the fight the right. Every. Single. Time.

We know how we'd like things to be, how things should be, but people would be lying if they tell you they know the answer of how to (realistically) get there.

I only tell you the truth and the results are already there. While the west has no growth our economy is steadily growing, providing many well paid jobs to factory workers and trench diggers alike. Our prisons are empty and our people are happy. No left or right wing divide, everyone is working towards a common goal one trench at at time.
  

We have some good theories, yes, goverments in the world should come out and say let's start by growing a bit less every year, going from growth to no-growth to de-growth in a transitional period and do a soft landing of the global economies, which in turn would solve the climate change issues...but how likely is that to happen?

You don't think they don't know that's what should be done, yet there's zero chance of that happening? And what are the chances of a societal revolution forcing them to adopt those changes? Also zero.

Such revolutions have to be forced at times with the steady hand of a great leader like Alexander the Great, Peter the Great or Catharina the Great 
 

So yeah, we're probably going to crash, let's hope we don't crash and burn like so many civilizations before us, maybe with enough proselytizing we can crash-land into safety and a better world all around.

We're certainly better prepared and more aware of the issues than ever before, so let's try to finish in a positive note.

Yes you will crash but to end on a positive note our friendly Little Green Men will be there to help you pick up the pieces please do not disturb them while they carry out this important work for our mutual interests.

[Besticus Maximus]

You won't believe what this one cool theory of history can do

[Potato]

im pretty sure that pre-capitalist empires had kings/tsars/top priests/supreme rulers/whatever at the top, how is this different from having a boss and a government above you, except for the ability to choose your career?

if everything is reset, how do you fairly assign people to jobs? i would like to have a cosy office job rather than work in a field harvesting food, but why would i be able to?

if i want to spend all my days creating a video game that no one will ever play, how is that fair to the dude in the field collecting food?

i do want to make clear that rich people can obviously fuck off. no one needs a hundred yachts, private jets and a vault with golden coins. but i dont see how this capitalism as an ultimate threat works, seeing that we have had some communist countries crash and burn spectacularly

Some?