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Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

this assumes no human review 

yes they're cheap bastards, but if some works come out laughably bad, they will keep some people on the localization team, just expecting them to be able to do their jobs in 1/4th the time

it's not like people don't have the original to compare, the complaints people have against localizers is when the source and localized version are radically different for some "modern audiences" reason, and if that sort of thing continues it will obviously not have been done by AI, so people still know who to criticize

you review the output for obvious errors, fix them, and that's it

I got some bad news for you if you think they cannot go cheaper. 

Yeah, that would be the ideal and why I’m not exactly against it. But not underestimate how cheap corpos can get and why people should call them out.

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So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

Because humans are so great at reading.

I didn’t say bad translations didn’t exist. Hell, there is probably more bad translations than good ones of published books. 

I fucking hate the term localization from video games, because it is used as an excuse to change stuff but people think that a literal translation is much better or readable even if they misunderstand whole parts of the text.

[Uncle]

this is willfully dumb

It was your example. People that didn’t want to pay for a live guide would use dictionaries before. This is better, no doubt.

this is an example of casually enjoying some of the benefits of a technology as long as you're not feeling disrupted by it

Thanks. I would use it for translating directions and fast food menus. Not for translating books without knowing the idiom.

if you care about real peoples' livelihoods being impacted by new tech, then you protest this as well, rather than rationalizing it because it makes your life a little easier

I am sorry, I’m asking that this should be banned? Who is talking about anybody live hood but having standards because corpos are going to extra cheap with it rather than bother using it in a genuinely meaningful way. 

Being excited about new technologies doesn’t mean not be critical.

I genuinely don't think you understand the conversation

machine translation naturally allows for both casual, personal use and corporate laziness use, you don't get one without the other, it's a pandora's box

same for touch screen devices with internet access, you get the amazing advancement in phones and you also get fired McDonalds cashiers and DIY kiosks

people like nepenthe have a scorched earth view of AI, they want it bombed out of existence and gone...but only because it affects themselves or specific people they interact with on twitter

they don't know any localizers, so they were never so scorched earth when it comes to translation

again, it's "technology is allowed to go this far AND NO FURTHER"

they don't think about...for example...thousands of people who just casually enjoy AI and aren't concerned with the jobs lost, and how eradicating it sounds insane to those people...just as they were when they used google translate and were similarly unconcerned, and eradicating machine translation would've also sounded insane to them



it sounds like you're trying to argue that it'd be perfectly fine if nepenthe was using AI art herself just for fun while also screeching about how it destroys artists' lives, because just as using google translate casually is different from companies firing their translation teams, generating AI art casually is different from companies firing their art teams

[Tucker's Law]

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Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

this assumes no human review

yes they're cheap bastards, but if some works come out laughably bad, they will keep some people on the localization team, just expecting them to be able to do their jobs in 1/4th the time

it's not like people don't have the original to compare, the complaints people have against localizers is when the source and localized version are radically different for some "modern audiences" reason, and if that sort of thing continues it will obviously not have been done by AI, so people still know who to criticize

you review the output for obvious errors, fix them, and that's it

Exactly, and for those instances where there's minimal/zero culture-overlap of idioms or reference, then your localization aspect comes into play and you (the human localizer) do the work by communicating with the original creator(s) on what manner of changes they are comfortable being made as replacements.

A translator injecting their own "Modern Sensibilities" or THE MESSAGE™ has no place in trying to help others distribute their creative works (or at least should not, IMO).

[benji]

I sometimes wonder whether it’s just gaming forums that got infected with all this shit. Like is there a gardening forum somewhere where they’re all reeee at each other because someone insensitively planted some Jerusalem artichokes today of all days?

[benji]

I got some bad news for you if you think they cannot go cheaper. 

Yeah, that would be the ideal and why I’m not exactly against it. But not underestimate how cheap corpos can get and why people should call them out.

I'm not understanding why I should be mad about this.

[Uncle]

This rules! I had no idea you were an artist!

Yep, been drawing since I was a wee lad. I just got laid off from my game though (RIP to it) so I'm an animator for hire right now. BUT YEAH I'M TECHNICALLY A PRO!

so is this a dumb jokey turn of phrase, or does it tie in with how she's occasionally claimed trans status

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I genuinely don't think you understand the conversation

I’m sorry, I thought you genuinely tried to understand my point. Not trying to be obtuse but your examples like the live translator is not great.

machine translation naturally allows for both casual, personal use and corporate laziness use, you don't get one without the other, it's a Pandora’s box

“So we should accept it unconditionally. Great, awesome. There is no space for criticism or being wary. Progress is a straight line.

same for touch screen devices with internet access, you get the amazing advancement in phones and you also get fired McDonalds cashiers and DIY kiosks

And then some cashiers get rehired because people can’t use the machine or it also got busted or the mantaince cost is actually higher that minimum wage.

people like nepenthe have a scorched earth view of AI, they want it bombed out of existence and gone...but only because it affects themselves or specific people they interact with on twitter

Okay, dude.

We bitch about Nepenthe not having empathy or being pro self destructive measures and all that. Why shouldn’t Nepenthe should not bitch and complain about she and her friends not getting jobs? Is fair that you don’t personally care, that her art is shit and all that, but why I will blame them for feeling that way outside of her obvious insecurities.

AND TO BE CLEAR, I’m against a ban.

Technology is allowed to go this far AND NO FURTHER

Oppenheimer is good film, you should watch it. In this case, I’m not saying it should go further.

it sounds like you're trying to argue that it'd be perfectly fine if nepenthe was using AI art herself just for fun while also screeching about how it destroys artists' lives, because just as using google translate casually is different from companies firing their translation teams, generating AI art casually is different from companies firing their art teams

I’m mocking Nepenthe obvious insecurities about her art and because she is an idiot.

I genuinely don’t understand how you get this reasoning.

[Uncle]

it sounds like you're trying to argue that it'd be perfectly fine if nepenthe was using AI art herself just for fun while also screeching about how it destroys artists' lives, because just as using google translate casually is different from companies firing their translation teams, generating AI art casually is different from companies firing their art teams

I’m mocking Nepenthe obvious insecurities about her art and because she is an idiot.

I genuinely don’t understand how you get this reasoning.

because you said this

Thanks. I would use it for translating directions and fast food menus. Not for translating books without knowing the idiom.

in other words, it's ok to use technology for things you casually enjoy, not when corporations use it to replace people

so it would be ok for nepenthe to generate stuff all day long while simultaneously bitching about how it's destroying peoples' lives

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I got some bad news for you if you think they cannot go cheaper. 

Yeah, that would be the ideal and why I’m not exactly against it. But not underestimate how cheap corpos can get and why people should call them out.

I'm not understanding why I should be mad about this.

I know you don’t, Benji. I know.

What you think about the recent Boeing accident? They cheap it out, didn’t it?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nfl-ot-week-18-another-final-drive-in-dallas-ends-with-a-controversial-shot-and-a-mourning-nation.801351/page-7?post=117168495#post-117168495

User Banned (3 Days): odwhining; Dismissing Concerns about Sexism

No room for jokes here. Don't want to foster a boys club!

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it sounds like you're trying to argue that it'd be perfectly fine if nepenthe was using AI art herself just for fun while also screeching about how it destroys artists' lives, because just as using google translate casually is different from companies firing their translation teams, generating AI art casually is different from companies firing their art teams

I’m mocking Nepenthe obvious insecurities about her art and because she is an idiot.

I genuinely don’t understand how you get this reasoning.

because you said this

Thanks. I would use it for translating directions and fast food menus. Not for translating books without knowing the idiom.

in other words, it's ok to use technology for things you casually enjoy, not when corporations use it to replace people

so it would be ok for nepenthe to generate stuff all day long while simultaneously bitching about how it's destroying peoples' lives

 

I mean… who is affecting Nepenthe in that was the case. She would be a hypocrite and we would laugh at her… but beyond that.

Technology is a tool and neutral. I will totally blame a shitty executive for being cheap over someone using it for fun or learning how to use it.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kaitlyn-dever-has-officially-been-cast-as-abby-in-%E2%80%98the-last-of-us%E2%80%99-season-2-spoilers-for-the-last-of-us-part-ii.803697/page-7?post=117397641#post-117397641
Lobster Roll

I feel like quite often when it comes to video game to movie/show adaptations that gamers often have this "characters must match 1:1 physically"

Morrigan

This is not what the commentary is about and dismissing this as gamers being too dumb to understand how casting works is getting really irritating I'm not gonna lie

Magneto

I'm just reporting the post and moving on tbh, it's clearly been wrote to irritate people for no reason. It's not like people in this thread were talking shit about Kaitlyn Dever. She's talented and i'm sure she will show it once again in that show. But i just wanted someone swole, i feel like Abby is an amazing character and i don't want the show to change her backstory / imposing presence. It was the perfect opportunity to have the kind of character we never see in medias.

[HaughtyFrank]

Very amusing how the same people who constantly declare anyone a chud for wanting a character to look like they did in the source material are suddenly very upset that the character they like doesn't look like she did in the source material.

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Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

AI translations of common languages are incredible. Sometimes even better than the original copy.

[Snoopy]

It was the perfect opportunity to have the kind of character we never see in medias.

These people never watch any sports at all do they. There are real life "swoles" they can wank off too if they're this needy

[Uncle]

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Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

AI translations of common languages are incredible. Sometimes even better than the original copy.

what about your language

[Tucker's Law]

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Yeah, no sympathy from me for the localizing community being impacted by AI, not after some of the egregious shit I've seen posted elsewhere.  Do the fucking job you were hired to do without trying to inject your own sensibilities into it, you creepy dipshit weirdos.

So you are not going to get either a shit localization or a good translation. Because I doubt the Ai will catch every subtle thing a text has unless is a manual.

AI translations of common languages are incredible. Sometimes even better than the original copy.

You haven't experienced Shakespeare until you've read him in the original Klingon.

[Not an Alt Account]

ooof, 64% tomatoes for the next mcu slop, echo:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/echo

Save us, Jeff

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ooof, 64% tomatoes for the next mcu slop, echo:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/echo

Save us, Jeff

I predict the first Ree banned for not liking Echo will be for ableism.

[Snoopy]

Jeff should come back as a PC Master race and start one upping that guy who fucks tramps

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fired-up-biden-shows-gloves-are-off-in-january-6-anniversary-speech.802743/page-14?post=117364080#post-117364080

I feel that if Biden loses, it's absolutely on him and the democratic party. Just like it was on them in 2016.

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

ooof, 64% tomatoes for the next mcu slop, echo:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/echo

Save us, Jeff

https://www.resetera.com/threads/echo-ot-marvel-spotlight-disney-hulu-january-9.803286/page-2?post=117401241#post-117401241

One or two negative impressions makes the whole thing awful forever except if I like the thing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/echo-ot-marvel-spotlight-disney-hulu-january-9.803286/page-2?post=117404064#post-117404064

"Ahsoka is cynical and requires homework because it never sits down to explain the other shows"

"Echo is cynical and requires homework because they spend the first episode getting people up to speed with the MCU"

Looks like there's just no winning and the internet simply doesn't want long form storytelling from franchises in any way.

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It's time...

Time for me to put this thread on ignore for a bit until I've watched it all that is!

The salt.

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Yeah, there's quite a lot of mess and harrassment in the movie and TV sphere too. I agree gamerz are unquestionably the worst tho TV fans been up the rank pretty high for a minute too. Guess it depends what the show is

[benji]

I know you don’t, Benji. I know.

What you think about the recent Boeing accident? They cheap it out, didn’t it?

You're going to have to have to just state your own position so I can agree or disagree with it because from your other posts it seems like you're just angling for some way to protect ResetERA.com's ignorant bitching from any criticism by claiming they have a "point" when they don't and are just Luddites.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/echo-ot-marvel-spotlight-disney-hulu-january-9.803286/page-2?post=117404064#post-117404064

"Ahsoka is cynical and requires homework because it never sits down to explain the other shows"

"Echo is cynical and requires homework because they spend the first episode getting people up to speed with the MCU"

Looks like there's just no winning and the internet simply doesn't want long form storytelling from franchises in any way.

So reviews should not even mention this or else they hate "long form storytelling" (of which the MCU has none) as the top priority of reviewers should be "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

[LoverOfCycles]

BoredFrom posts are like ComedySmasher posts: I just scroll right past them.

[books]

*Keenan eyes from All That.gif*

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fired-up-biden-shows-gloves-are-off-in-january-6-anniversary-speech.802743/page-16?post=117410370#post-117410370

Trump and the GOP are actively campaigning to have every single trans person detransitioned and ban access to gender-affirming care and HRT. We already know this will happen because the GOP has already been trying to make it happen.

There is no hypotheticals, trans people are already on the 7th step of genocide, with certain states going even further.

This is not me telling you how to vote, but me telling you that this premise of reality vs hypothetical is flawed and just leaves out trans people. Our genocide is not a hypothetical, it is ongoing, and we're being threatened that it will rapidly accelerate under a Trump presidency.

Pretty clear many perpetually online Trans people want to claim the title of the most genocided group currently in existence. It was something that went well for them...until the Hamas terror attack on Oct. 7th and Israel's response to that. People see what's happening in Gaza and trans people claims of genocide and it makes clear how hyperbolic the latter's claim is in comparison.

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You're going to have to have to just state your own position so I can agree or disagree with it because from your other posts it seems like you're just angling for some way to protect ResetERA.com's ignorant bitching from any criticism by claiming they have a "point" when they don't and are just Luddites.

You already made you mind about this and is clear you will not like my position of this as a whole.

I was sincere with uncle when I said I’m trying to be open minded but stuff like Nepenthe vs the AI blue dragon makes me 

I just wanted to laugh at Nepenthe obvious insecurities, I don’t like to discuss AI stuff because you guys already made your mind about it.