Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Potato]

there's so many fucking pokemon now, you can draw anything and people would be like "that looks like ____ pokemon"

even the real pokemon look like fake pokemon.

Who the fuck recognises Pokemon outside of maybe 20 of the original batch and a few of the starters/legendaries? Especially as an adult? Like, I'm seriously gonna call the paedo squad if you're able to name the ones that resemble inanimate objects.

everyone knows those for the sake of dunking on how utterly stupid they are

call the squad if they can name the 37th dog looking one

36th dogemon  

37th dogemon 

[Potato]

Kinda seems unethical for Pokemon to plagiarize the real world, no?

Nintendo should sue

[Boredfrom]

They are mad with the Dusk dev:

https://twitter.com/DUSKdev/status/1749462697396109339

Twitter: "eat the rich!"

Twitter: "protect Nintendo's intellectual property!"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-palworld-embroiled-in-ai-and-pokémon-‘plagiarism’-controversy.807630/page-56?post=117994827#post-117994827

Damn, now I kinda regret recently buying Dusk

[benji]

[benji]

[Boredfrom]

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[TylenolJones]

Dusk is better than any game Nintendo has released on switch 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

you could argue palworld had to be EVEN MORE CREATIVE to

- be distinct, get stylistically close to pokemon without actually being pokemon, to capture the market that likes its style
- still make the designs appealing in their own right without being overdesigned like shitty digimon

it's crazy how much they feel like they could actually be pokemon, to the point where someday in the future, who knows? they might have a case to sue pokemon for copying them

[benji]

[HaughtyFrank]

[benji]

Whole thread is full of amazing:

 

REEEEEE BAD AGREERS:

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

This site definitely sucks on mobile,

 
 Getting pretty close to putting staff lives in danger with that statement..

but that’s how it is. The posts are worth struggling through it

 

Okay. You're excused.

[Boredfrom]

Constantly abstracting out to Nintendo while keeping the labour of the actual artists at Game Freak invisible leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. We know most of the artists that create modern Pokemon, as they share their designs in interviews or on their social pages. Several are freelance artists. James Turner, the art director of Sword & Shield, opened his own indie studio and is releasing his first independent project this year. Artists like Atsuko Nishida and Megumi Mizutani have no qualms with designing creatures for other games. Pocket Pair has on interest in contacting these artists. They want to make games for cheap, cutting down on labour costs. That's why the CEO's interests in AI are notable to people: it's a clear extension of his vision for games development.

Doesn’t use AI, though. Those artists are also getting jobs (and I bet you many of them don’t get money for every Pokemon plush with their design that the TPC sells). AI is a fucking big can of worms but you are choosing the wrong battle to fight given that is unrelated and every video game CEO is already in the bandwagon.

It's the quiet (and often not so quiet) undercurrent to the AI craze—contempt for artists. That what they do isn't real work, that anyone could do that and that their work isn't valuable.

I’m sorry, but did you were born yesterday? Also, again, this doesn’t use AI.

It really does feel like the overwhelming sentiment is that it's fine because it's Pokemon. "They're big enough to take it, power to the people, maybe GF stop being lazy and make good games for once lol." From gamers to industry vets to influencers. I've seen quite a number straight-up say they're supporting it in hopes the game's success scares GF, just pure righteous indignation.

At this point all I can really say is that I hope all this ad populum doesn't blow up in everyone's face.

Neither Nintendo, The Pokemon Company or Gamefreak needs you help in dealing with a competitor. If you care so much about artists… ask them if they receive any money for how these companies use their designs outside “work for hire.”

[TylenolJones]

In a just world, the heads of Nintendo and Game Freak would publicly apologize for being outclassed by this game through a press conference like…

[kaleidoscopium]

They are full on falling for fake models in that pal world AI chat now, incredible lol

[HaughtyFrank]

Constantly abstracting out to Nintendo while keeping the labour of the actual artists at Game Freak invisible leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. We know most of the artists that create modern Pokemon, as they share their designs in interviews or on their social pages. Several are freelance artists. James Turner, the art director of Sword & Shield, opened his own indie studio and is releasing his first independent project this year. Artists like Atsuko Nishida and Megumi Mizutani have no qualms with designing creatures for other games. Pocket Pair has on interest in contacting these artists. They want to make games for cheap, cutting down on labour costs. That's why the CEO's interests in AI are notable to people: it's a clear extension of his vision for games development.

Doesn’t use AI, though. Those artists are also getting jobs (and I bet you many of them don’t get money for every Pokemon plush with their design that the TPC sells). AI is a fucking big can of worms but you are choosing the wrong battle to fight given that is unrelated and every video game CEO is already in the bandwagon.

It's the quiet (and often not so quiet) undercurrent to the AI craze—contempt for artists. That what they do isn't real work, that anyone could do that and that their work isn't valuable.

I’m sorry, but did you were born yesterday? Also, again, this doesn’t use AI.

It really does feel like the overwhelming sentiment is that it's fine because it's Pokemon. "They're big enough to take it, power to the people, maybe GF stop being lazy and make good games for once lol." From gamers to industry vets to influencers. I've seen quite a number straight-up say they're supporting it in hopes the game's success scares GF, just pure righteous indignation.

At this point all I can really say is that I hope all this ad populum doesn't blow up in everyone's face.

Neither Nintendo, The Pokemon Company or Gamefreak needs you help in dealing with a competitor. If you care so much about artists… ask them if they receive any money for how these companies use their designs outside “work for hire.”

Maybe I'm mistaken but I believe it would actually be more legally risky for the studio to hire the guy who designed Pikachu to design a Pikachu look alike. The guy might not even want to because it could damage his relationship with Nintendo

[benji]

oh my god look who I found in the replies:

[Boredfrom]

They are full on falling for fake models in that pal world AI chat now, incredible lol

The fact that people were being fooled by a fan Pal just proves the point. 🤣

[Boredfrom]

oh my god look who I found in the replies:

 

Zero, do they get pay every time Pikachu farts on TV? Do you think even there to ask Nintendo for more money (given how Japanese corporations usually operate, not at all)?

[LoverOfCycles]

The Dusk guy literally has the site www.ThiefWithGuns.com redirect to his game, Gloomwood, which is literally Thief with guns. How fucking dense can these reeeees be?

[HaughtyFrank]

oh my god look who I found in the replies:

That's a dumb argument since the art that's being stolen is owned by Nintendo, not those artists

[kaleidoscopium]

The fact that people were being fooled by a fan Pal just proves the point. 🤣

Yes Nepenthe, proving the point that your forum is full of retards.

[Not an Alt Account]

Like those artists own anything they worked for with TPC and game freak. Sure they do.

[benji]

These dumbass socialists think "eat the rich but not their capital" is a coherent position.

[benji]

These dumbass socialists think "eat the rich but not their capital" is a coherent position.

Maybe they mean "eat the rich" literally, don't kink shame.

[Boredfrom]

Like those artists own anything they worked for with TPC and game freak. Sure they do.

They should form a union.

[Uncle]

Also, again, this doesn’t use AI.

the best part is, you can't possibly know

they could've asked AI for knockoff pokemon designs, let it run all day, then picked the best ones to re-create by hand, and no one would ever know

and to reeeees, that's just as bad as doing it wholesale without any artist behind it

(it's what naughty dog guy is implying about "cheating")

[Echelon]

This Palworld thing is a delicious dilemma for these screeching autists because there's no resolution here. They're completely impotent to stop the market from consuming what it wants just like their little boycott of Hogwarts Legacy did fuckall. I'm surprised that thread hasn't started turning into a graveyard yet. NappyNep is probably on the verge of a mental episode so people should start getting actioned for actions soon.

[Boredfrom]

Also, again, this doesn’t use AI.

the best part is, you can't possibly know

they could've asked AI for knockoff pokemon designs, let it run all day, then picked the best ones to re-create by hand, and no one would ever know

and to reeeees, that's just as bad as doing it wholesale without any artist behind it

(it's what naughty dog guy is implying about "cheating")

You don’t needed to be AI because is not necessary to create most of this rip offs. Who knows if they did. But it seems that everyone agree that the game doesn’t feel cheap.

(RE were implying that there were using it to create 3D models, uncle. The naughty dog dude was probably thinking the same because he was referring in how decent it was for an early access game).

[Snoopy]

Let's go easy on poor fat old Nep Nep. She's had a rough time of it. She spent 7 years learning how to make dog porn only to wake up and discover anyone can make it now. It's clearly broken her. She's started shitting in a litter tray. It's really kind of sad.