Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Potato]

[QUOTE="Princess Bubblegum, post: 118236513, member: 2627"]
This is all a roundabout way for me to talk about how much I hate 'lesbian" being a dirty, dirty word that no one should use. $50 says 95% of the people at Naughty Dog would say that Ellie is "queer" or "gay" but not acknowledge her as a lesbian. Then again, it's not like queer joy and Pride is a big element of The Last of Us. The only use of labels in Part II are derogatory at worst and prescriptive at best. Ellie wearing any kind of Pride shirt is very out of character for how she is written.

Also I still really hate Part II after all these years.

Excuse me, you absolute unit. Where is there ANY kind of joy on TLOU?!? The goddamn game is misery porn, and your bitching it doesn’t have any queer characters have happiness? NOBODY is happy in it.

Absolute dumbass.

Did you not get the memo?

All minority characters MUST be portrayed as happy and successful and lead fulfilling lives not touched by tragedy, even in your post apocalyptic zombie world story about consequences.

[Nintex]

The whole thesis of the article is that men need to take the lead on redefining masculinity. It's not the left's / women's / queer people's "fault" that masculinity is in the wilderness (and I agree).

Well it actually is because you lot wanted it redefined because the gender roles were "outdated". 

Masculinity was defined as being resourceful, protective, forgiving, honest and respectful. Women and children first but no man is left behind.
In other words, be responsible. There was always a moment when the men were called up to protect or serve their family, city, country or society.

But because none of those things are seen as virtuous traits anymore masculinity has been 'modernized' to: live like a Greek god and run a grift to stay ahead of everyone else. 
And now people are starting to wonder why so few men still serve for the greater good in any capacity (fathers, teachers, mechanics, engineers, soldiers, non-corrupt government officials etc.).

[nachobro]

As expected, the wrestling thread is doing nothing but talking about the event last night from WWE, a company they are all "boycotting" and wanted discussion of banned from the forum these people are the "chuds who cannot stop watching wwe" that they complain about

[BIONIC]

As expected, the wrestling thread is doing nothing but talking about the event last night from WWE, a company they are all "boycotting" and wanted discussion of banned from the forum these people are the "chuds who cannot stop watching wwe" that they complain about

They’re politicking in constructive, brother:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Alright,

This is probalby 72 hours late - but I was giving it through Royal Rumble to see what happens - I want to talk about the current situation in the Wrestling community thread.

Vince McMahon has been credibly accused of a years long sex trafficing operation of a female employee that is beyond disgusting and the lawsuit alleged complicit knowledge of many wrestlers, staff and executives within the company. This is on top of decades of knowledge of rapes, murder cover ups, sprots-washing on behalf of Saudi Arabia and all sorts of other dispicable actions. Last night during the presser after the Rumble HHH (the current head of creative) was dismissive of the allegations against his father-in-law and went so far to say it was an excellent week for the company, that he had not bothered to read the lawsuit and that he was focused on the positives of the company. This tone deaf response points to the continued troubling behavior of the WWE as a whole.

About 4 years ago the "solution" to people not wanting to hear about WWE was to carve out a special thread for fans of AEW wrestling - however there are other federations that don't systmically cover for monsters like Vince McMahon that some of us would like to talk about (NJPW, TNA, Stardom, AAA, CMLL) and those federations are much more intertwined than WWE is which is far more silo'd off from the rest of the wrestling world.

Threads praising or hyping WWE or its events have long been banned on the site.

Last night during the Royal Rumble the Wrestling OT turned into a defacto hype thread for the royal rumble with many members who simply avoided all discussion of the breaking news about VKM who could not even be bothered to make a passing comment about how awful the news was turned the thread into an unofficial Royal Rumble hype thread. Its gross, for some of us the behavior of the WWE is extremely triggering and the thread has been awash in hand-wrining about the ethical consumption of media or posts that just blatantly ignore the very fresh very disgusting news and post hype gifs of moments they like on the product.

My request is to spin WWE into its own thread or create a TKO (WWE and UFCs parent company) mega thread so that the rest of us can discuss wrestling federations in peace that dont want to wade through pro WWE posts, flippant disregard for the seriousness of the allegations or content coming from problematic sources (mostly Cornette).

Era right now has a WWE thread in all but name only, and if moderation isn't comfortable with a WWE thread then thats a seperate question - but you already have one.

I like this post and I agree. If WWE won't be banned here going forward, the next best thing is probably to quarantine it to a separate thread in Hangouts so the shills can all do their male guffaws together at everyone mad about the sex trafficking so they can enjoy their media consumption, and the rest of the wrestling fandom here can be brought together after this catastrophe and move on. That'd be nice.

Completely agree.

Completely agree. I no longer feel comfortable participating in the main Wrasslin thread due to the presence of those who would stick their head in the sand and continue to cheerlead for the WWE. As such, I’m cut off from NJPW discussion, because it and every other promotion save for AEW is lumped in with the WWE.

Please do the right thing and split WWE discussion off into its own thread. Once that is done it may be time to integrate AEW discussion into the main Wrasslin thread as well.

Thanks for your consideration.

Honestly, I couldn't imagine being a woman on this site, reading in very graphic details of the torture that woman went through and seeing that WWE seemingly covered it up as well as not even bother to investigate the issue while having one of their execs basically blow it off saying "let's focus on the positives" and "it's been an exciting week" without being extremely triggered. And it's probably even just as disturbing to have certain posters with a "Oh no, how terrible! Anyways....." reaction to that news.

It's not surprising that posters (especially women) would choose wanting to distance themselves from certain posters praising WWE while ignoring very graphic details of rape the company is complicit in. And since there doesn't seem to be any rules against praising WWE within the wrestling thread, I agree with letting those posters continue to have their love fest with WWE completely separate from other wrestling companies.

As someone who mostly reads and casually posts in both AEW and the General Wrasslin threads, I've found some of the lack of awareness/ignorance from folks posting in the General Wrasslin thread towards the current situation with the Vince McMahon stuff quite shocking. I agree with the idea of creating/readjusting the wrestling discussion threads - given it's approaching the end of the month and the General Wrasslin thread would be getting a reboot for February anyway, it would be the best time to readjust the threads to have an AEW & Wrestling thread and a WWE thread marked with disclaimers on it going forward.

I try not to talk about this, but yeah, the wrestling fandom as a whole is intimidating and honestly depressing as a woman who has dealt with certain abuse, but the people you describe (especially in the past year or so of WWE scandals being pushed under the rug) have almost pushed me out of the fandom entirely. It's horribly depressing seeing this kind of fan in the wild, let alone in a forum like this that prides itself on the diversity of the userbase compared to other places, and would probably consider itself a safe space for them.

Huge +1 to all of this.

Whilst I will miss AEW having its own dedicated thread, I can't help but agree with all of this and so I think this would indeed be the best solution because as it currently stands, the general thread has become a triggering place full of posters who clearly don't give a fuck about not only these allegations but the decades worth of systematic abuse and covering up by those in charge of the company.

Too many posters will stay away whenever the serious topics are discussed and then suddenly pop up to fish about the product.

Most frustrating of all, we constantly get defences saying that hardly anyone posts about WWE and that it's mainly about other companies but that is a flat out lie as there is always discussions on WWE and it's product going on.

Separating WWE from the rest of pro wrestling discussion is very much needed. While WWE is experiencing a surge in popularity there are very valid reasons outside of the content of the product itself for one to want to avoid any discussion of it. There are a great many things to discuss across professional wrestling and it's very hard having those discussions in a general thread that is so heavily focused on the much larger and very much more problematic WWE.

talking about what wrestling companies should and shouldn’t be allowed to be discussed seems like an impossible task

do we disallow AAA talk because they continue to roster Cuatrero despite him beating the shit out of his girlfriend (who is also a wrestler) and she feared for her life? or because they continue to book repeat domestic abuser Alberto El Patron?

Is it platforming horrible people? Is it featuring them prominently? Is it the company itself continuing to use them in spite of the knowledge?

The WWE stuff is undoubtedly terrible but wrestling is an awful business mostly filled with awful people, and almost no company is exempt from that. Goes for NJPW’s history, goes for AAA and CMLL, and goes for WWE.

If we’re banning discussion of one, what is the line where we should have that conversation about others?

I think there is a difference between problematic individuals and the systemic abuse of women that the company itself was a critical component in enabling - including sham investigations, years long sex trafficking by the CEO, complicit knowledge of bad behavior, pay offs coming from the company coffers and more.

Yes Albert del Rio is a piece of shit. Yes there are bad actors in wrestling.

What were asking for is to be able to talk about wrestling without a lot of people complaining about us yucking their yum while they cheer on WWE product less than 48 hours after a really really really vile story broke as though nothing happened.

It doesn't help that the head of booking for WWE basically acted the same as the posters.

WWE is in the Weinstein company levels of vile. This isn't 'oh this actor in the movie is bad' this is the company itself is bad.

[TylenolJones]

new lore unlocked 

When I worked at GameStop and that kind of scenario happened, I always made sure to inform the parent of what the game is and let them make the decision themselves.

Imagine trying to buy a game and being forced to listen to this idiot’s thoughts before he’ll check you out. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-other-day-a-six-year-old-kid-asked-me-if-he-could-buy-gtav.810279/?post=118267983#post-118267983

[kaleidoscopium]

On the wrestling topic, isn’t AEW going through their own sexual assault scandal with Chris Jericho? Weird how they want to allow AEW still 

[nachobro]

well you see that's just chris jericho (and darby allin, and jay lethal, and omega,and sammy guevara, and don callis) so they can be overlooked. but i really don't like how vince mcmahon booked his shows so i'm extra double mad about this!

[Boredfrom]

Please no, having the only "tanned" skin character in en be just that, tanned, would suck and be very insensitive. Also even the talk that flare us just tanned bothers me a little

https://www.resetera.com/threads/virtual-youtuber-ot2-clap-clap-next-thread.452203/page-1791

The Ethics of vtubers using tanned cartoon avatars.

 

Nobody takes the race bait anymore after all the Calli bitching past year.

[ClothedMac]

new lore unlocked 

When I worked at GameStop and that kind of scenario happened, I always made sure to inform the parent of what the game is and let them make the decision themselves.

Imagine trying to buy a game and being forced to listen to this idiot’s thoughts before he’ll check you out. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-other-day-a-six-year-old-kid-asked-me-if-he-could-buy-gtav.810279/?post=118267983#post-118267983

Just imagine, "oh sir, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (GBA) was made by TERF Kathleen Rowling who co-founded the charity Lumos and established the Volant Charitable Trust.  Just so you know"

Entire world: ???

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

The 2024 Super Bowl is going to be a good one.

Muslims vs Trans Folx

The Muslims are the sure favorites here to win, especially with current staff.

Sorry, Clicky. I gotta stick with my Abrahamic bros here. Withholding my vote for Palestine. Biden deserves to lose.  

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/for-those-with-significant-others-does-oral-tend-to-be-a-part-of-birthday-festivities.810303/

                  Boys club behaviour
 

[DocWager]

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As expected, the wrestling thread is doing nothing but talking about the event last night from WWE, a company they are all "boycotting" and wanted discussion of banned from the forum these people are the "chuds who cannot stop watching wwe" that they complain about

They’re politicking in constructive, brother:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Alright,

This is probalby 72 hours late - but I was giving it through Royal Rumble to see what happens - I want to talk about the current situation in the Wrestling community thread.

Vince McMahon has been credibly accused of a years long sex trafficing operation of a female employee that is beyond disgusting and the lawsuit alleged complicit knowledge of many wrestlers, staff and executives within the company.    This is on top of decades of knowledge of rapes, murder cover ups, sprots-washing on behalf of Saudi Arabia and all sorts of other dispicable actions.  Last night during the presser after the Rumble HHH (the current head of creative) was dismissive of the allegations against his father-in-law and went so far to say it was an excellent week for the company, that he had not bothered to read the lawsuit and that he was focused on the positives of the company.  This tone deaf response points to the continued troubling behavior of the WWE as a whole.

About 4 years ago the "solution" to people not wanting to hear about WWE was to carve out a special thread for fans of AEW wrestling - however there are other federations that don't systmically cover for monsters like Vince McMahon that some of us would like to talk about (NJPW, TNA, Stardom, AAA, CMLL) and those federations are much more intertwined than WWE is which is far more silo'd off from the rest of the wrestling world.

Threads praising or hyping WWE or its events have long been banned on the site.

Last night during the Royal Rumble the Wrestling OT turned into a defacto hype thread for the royal rumble with many members who simply avoided all discussion of the breaking news about VKM who could not even be bothered to make a passing comment about how awful the news was turned the thread into an unofficial Royal Rumble hype thread.  Its gross, for some of us the behavior of the WWE is extremely triggering and the thread has been awash in hand-wrining about the ethical consumption of media or posts that just blatantly ignore the very fresh very disgusting news and post hype gifs of moments they like on the product.

My request is to spin WWE into its own thread or create a TKO (WWE and UFCs parent company) mega thread so that the rest of us can discuss wrestling federations in peace that dont want to wade through pro WWE posts, flippant disregard for the seriousness of the allegations or content coming from problematic sources (mostly Cornette).   

Era right now has a WWE thread in all but name only, and if moderation isn't comfortable with a WWE thread then thats a seperate question - but you already have one.

I like this post and I agree. If WWE won't be banned here going forward, the next best thing is probably to quarantine it to a separate thread in Hangouts so the shills can all do their male guffaws together at everyone mad about the sex trafficking so they can enjoy their media consumption, and the rest of the wrestling fandom here can be brought together after this catastrophe and move on. That'd be nice.

Completely agree.

Completely agree. I no longer feel comfortable participating in the main Wrasslin thread due to the presence of those who would stick their head in the sand and continue to cheerlead for the WWE. As such, I’m cut off from NJPW discussion, because it and every other promotion save for AEW is lumped in with the WWE.

Please do the right thing and split WWE discussion off into its own thread. Once that is done it may be time to integrate AEW discussion into the main Wrasslin thread as well.

Thanks for your consideration.

Honestly, I couldn't imagine being a woman on this site, reading in very graphic details of the torture that woman went through and seeing that WWE seemingly covered it up as well as not even bother to investigate the issue while having one of their execs basically blow it off saying "let's focus on the positives" and "it's been an exciting week" without being extremely triggered. And it's probably even just as disturbing to have certain posters with a "Oh no, how terrible! Anyways....." reaction to that news.

It's not surprising that posters (especially women) would choose wanting to distance themselves from certain posters praising WWE while ignoring very graphic details of rape the company is complicit in. And since there doesn't seem to be any rules against praising WWE within the wrestling thread, I agree with letting those posters continue to have their love fest with WWE completely separate from other wrestling companies.

As someone who mostly reads and casually posts in both AEW and the General Wrasslin threads, I've found some of the lack of awareness/ignorance from folks posting in the General Wrasslin thread towards the current situation with the Vince McMahon stuff quite shocking. I agree with the idea of creating/readjusting the wrestling discussion threads - given it's approaching the end of the month and the General Wrasslin thread would be getting a reboot for February anyway, it would be the best time to readjust the threads to have an AEW & Wrestling thread and a WWE thread marked with disclaimers on it going forward.

I try not to talk about this, but yeah, the wrestling fandom as a whole is intimidating and honestly depressing as a woman who has dealt with certain abuse, but the people you describe (especially in the past year or so of WWE scandals being pushed under the rug) have almost pushed me out of the fandom entirely. It's horribly depressing seeing this kind of fan in the wild, let alone in a forum like this that prides itself on the diversity of the userbase compared to other places, and would probably consider itself a safe space for them.

Huge +1 to all of this.

Whilst I will miss AEW having its own dedicated thread, I can't help but agree with all of this and so I think this would indeed be the best solution because as it currently stands, the general thread has become a triggering place full of posters who clearly don't give a fuck about not only these allegations but the decades worth of systematic abuse and covering up by those in charge of the company.

Too many posters will stay away whenever the serious topics are discussed and then suddenly pop up to fish about the product.

Most frustrating of all, we constantly get defences saying that hardly anyone posts about WWE and that it's mainly about other companies but that is a flat out lie as there is always discussions on WWE and it's product going on.

Separating WWE from the rest of pro wrestling discussion is very much needed. While WWE is experiencing a surge in popularity there are very valid reasons outside of the content of the product itself for one to want to avoid any discussion of it. There are a great many things to discuss across professional wrestling and it's very hard having those discussions in a general thread that is so heavily focused on the much larger and very much more problematic WWE.

talking about what wrestling companies should and shouldn’t be allowed to be discussed seems like an impossible task

do we disallow AAA talk because they continue to roster Cuatrero despite him beating the shit out of his girlfriend (who is also a wrestler) and she feared for her life? or because they continue to book repeat domestic abuser Alberto El Patron?

Is it platforming horrible people? Is it featuring them prominently? Is it the company itself continuing to use them in spite of the knowledge?

The WWE stuff is undoubtedly terrible but wrestling is an awful business mostly filled with awful people, and almost no company is exempt from that. Goes for NJPW’s history, goes for AAA and CMLL, and goes for WWE.

If we’re banning discussion of one, what is the line where we should have that conversation about others?

I think there is a difference between problematic individuals and the systemic abuse of women that the company itself was a critical component in enabling - including sham investigations, years long sex trafficking by the CEO, complicit knowledge of bad behavior, pay offs coming from the company coffers and more.

Yes Albert del Rio is a piece of shit.  Yes there are bad actors in wrestling. 

What were asking for is to be able to talk about wrestling without a lot of people complaining about us yucking their yum while they cheer on WWE product less than 48 hours after a really really really vile story broke as though nothing happened.

It doesn't help that the head of booking for WWE basically acted the same as the posters.

WWE is in the Weinstein company levels of vile.  This isn't 'oh this actor in the movie is bad' this is the company itself is bad.

“Stooge” the absolute perfect name.

Where were these fucks during the ring boy scandal, Snuka’s girlfriend being murdered, and Vince covering it up because they were about to land a national deal? Or how about…

[Potato]

well you see that's just chris jericho (and darby allin, and jay lethal, and omega,and sammy guevara, and don callis) so they can be overlooked. but i really don't like how vince mcmahon booked his shows so i'm extra double mad about this!

Don't forget that Vince is a billionaire and should immediately be sent to the guillotine for being richer than me.

[Nintex]

The 2024 Super Bowl is going to be a good one.

Muslims vs Trans Folx

The Muslims are the sure favorites here to win, especially with current staff.

Sorry, Clicky. I gotta stick with my Abrahamic bros here. Withholding my vote for Palestine. Biden deserves to lose.  

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

 

  

[Potato]

The 2024 Super Bowl is going to be a good one.

Muslims vs Trans Folx

The Muslims are the sure favorites here to win, especially with current staff.

Sorry, Clicky. I gotta stick with my Abrahamic bros here. Withholding my vote for Palestine. Biden deserves to lose.  

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

 

  

I DO wanna live in a world where the US lefties decide that they want to vote for Trump because they just hate the Jews that damn much.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

The 2024 Super Bowl is going to be a good one.

Muslims vs Trans Folx

The Muslims are the sure favorites here to win, especially with current staff.

Sorry, Clicky. I gotta stick with my Abrahamic bros here. Withholding my vote for Palestine. Biden deserves to lose.  

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

 

  

This got nothing but silence from Resetera. What a moving speech. Biden wants to kill Muslims, Trump wants to leave them alone. The choice is clear. 

[Boredfrom]

Now that is a dude with a horrible tan worth bitching about.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

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As expected, the wrestling thread is doing nothing but talking about the event last night from WWE, a company they are all "boycotting" and wanted discussion of banned from the forum these people are the "chuds who cannot stop watching wwe" that they complain about

They’re politicking in constructive, brother:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Alright,

This is probalby 72 hours late - but I was giving it through Royal Rumble to see what happens - I want to talk about the current situation in the Wrestling community thread.

Vince McMahon has been credibly accused of a years long sex trafficing operation of a female employee that is beyond disgusting and the lawsuit alleged complicit knowledge of many wrestlers, staff and executives within the company.    This is on top of decades of knowledge of rapes, murder cover ups, sprots-washing on behalf of Saudi Arabia and all sorts of other dispicable actions.  Last night during the presser after the Rumble HHH (the current head of creative) was dismissive of the allegations against his father-in-law and went so far to say it was an excellent week for the company, that he had not bothered to read the lawsuit and that he was focused on the positives of the company.  This tone deaf response points to the continued troubling behavior of the WWE as a whole.

About 4 years ago the "solution" to people not wanting to hear about WWE was to carve out a special thread for fans of AEW wrestling - however there are other federations that don't systmically cover for monsters like Vince McMahon that some of us would like to talk about (NJPW, TNA, Stardom, AAA, CMLL) and those federations are much more intertwined than WWE is which is far more silo'd off from the rest of the wrestling world.

Threads praising or hyping WWE or its events have long been banned on the site.

Last night during the Royal Rumble the Wrestling OT turned into a defacto hype thread for the royal rumble with many members who simply avoided all discussion of the breaking news about VKM who could not even be bothered to make a passing comment about how awful the news was turned the thread into an unofficial Royal Rumble hype thread.  Its gross, for some of us the behavior of the WWE is extremely triggering and the thread has been awash in hand-wrining about the ethical consumption of media or posts that just blatantly ignore the very fresh very disgusting news and post hype gifs of moments they like on the product.

My request is to spin WWE into its own thread or create a TKO (WWE and UFCs parent company) mega thread so that the rest of us can discuss wrestling federations in peace that dont want to wade through pro WWE posts, flippant disregard for the seriousness of the allegations or content coming from problematic sources (mostly Cornette).   

Era right now has a WWE thread in all but name only, and if moderation isn't comfortable with a WWE thread then thats a seperate question - but you already have one.

I like this post and I agree. If WWE won't be banned here going forward, the next best thing is probably to quarantine it to a separate thread in Hangouts so the shills can all do their male guffaws together at everyone mad about the sex trafficking so they can enjoy their media consumption, and the rest of the wrestling fandom here can be brought together after this catastrophe and move on. That'd be nice.

Completely agree.

Completely agree. I no longer feel comfortable participating in the main Wrasslin thread due to the presence of those who would stick their head in the sand and continue to cheerlead for the WWE. As such, I’m cut off from NJPW discussion, because it and every other promotion save for AEW is lumped in with the WWE.

Please do the right thing and split WWE discussion off into its own thread. Once that is done it may be time to integrate AEW discussion into the main Wrasslin thread as well.

Thanks for your consideration.

Honestly, I couldn't imagine being a woman on this site, reading in very graphic details of the torture that woman went through and seeing that WWE seemingly covered it up as well as not even bother to investigate the issue while having one of their execs basically blow it off saying "let's focus on the positives" and "it's been an exciting week" without being extremely triggered. And it's probably even just as disturbing to have certain posters with a "Oh no, how terrible! Anyways....." reaction to that news.

It's not surprising that posters (especially women) would choose wanting to distance themselves from certain posters praising WWE while ignoring very graphic details of rape the company is complicit in. And since there doesn't seem to be any rules against praising WWE within the wrestling thread, I agree with letting those posters continue to have their love fest with WWE completely separate from other wrestling companies.

As someone who mostly reads and casually posts in both AEW and the General Wrasslin threads, I've found some of the lack of awareness/ignorance from folks posting in the General Wrasslin thread towards the current situation with the Vince McMahon stuff quite shocking. I agree with the idea of creating/readjusting the wrestling discussion threads - given it's approaching the end of the month and the General Wrasslin thread would be getting a reboot for February anyway, it would be the best time to readjust the threads to have an AEW & Wrestling thread and a WWE thread marked with disclaimers on it going forward.

I try not to talk about this, but yeah, the wrestling fandom as a whole is intimidating and honestly depressing as a woman who has dealt with certain abuse, but the people you describe (especially in the past year or so of WWE scandals being pushed under the rug) have almost pushed me out of the fandom entirely. It's horribly depressing seeing this kind of fan in the wild, let alone in a forum like this that prides itself on the diversity of the userbase compared to other places, and would probably consider itself a safe space for them.

Huge +1 to all of this.

Whilst I will miss AEW having its own dedicated thread, I can't help but agree with all of this and so I think this would indeed be the best solution because as it currently stands, the general thread has become a triggering place full of posters who clearly don't give a fuck about not only these allegations but the decades worth of systematic abuse and covering up by those in charge of the company.

Too many posters will stay away whenever the serious topics are discussed and then suddenly pop up to fish about the product.

Most frustrating of all, we constantly get defences saying that hardly anyone posts about WWE and that it's mainly about other companies but that is a flat out lie as there is always discussions on WWE and it's product going on.

Separating WWE from the rest of pro wrestling discussion is very much needed. While WWE is experiencing a surge in popularity there are very valid reasons outside of the content of the product itself for one to want to avoid any discussion of it. There are a great many things to discuss across professional wrestling and it's very hard having those discussions in a general thread that is so heavily focused on the much larger and very much more problematic WWE.

talking about what wrestling companies should and shouldn’t be allowed to be discussed seems like an impossible task

do we disallow AAA talk because they continue to roster Cuatrero despite him beating the shit out of his girlfriend (who is also a wrestler) and she feared for her life? or because they continue to book repeat domestic abuser Alberto El Patron?

Is it platforming horrible people? Is it featuring them prominently? Is it the company itself continuing to use them in spite of the knowledge?

The WWE stuff is undoubtedly terrible but wrestling is an awful business mostly filled with awful people, and almost no company is exempt from that. Goes for NJPW’s history, goes for AAA and CMLL, and goes for WWE.

If we’re banning discussion of one, what is the line where we should have that conversation about others?

I think there is a difference between problematic individuals and the systemic abuse of women that the company itself was a critical component in enabling - including sham investigations, years long sex trafficking by the CEO, complicit knowledge of bad behavior, pay offs coming from the company coffers and more.

Yes Albert del Rio is a piece of shit.  Yes there are bad actors in wrestling. 

What were asking for is to be able to talk about wrestling without a lot of people complaining about us yucking their yum while they cheer on WWE product less than 48 hours after a really really really vile story broke as though nothing happened.

It doesn't help that the head of booking for WWE basically acted the same as the posters.

WWE is in the Weinstein company levels of vile.  This isn't 'oh this actor in the movie is bad' this is the company itself is bad.

“Stooge” the absolute perfect name.

Where were these fucks during the ring boy scandal, Snuka’s girlfriend being murdered, and Vince covering it up because they were about to land a national deal? Or how about…

Wrestling ain't that deep. Bunch of cry babies.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sorry-speeders-new-bill-would-require-speed-limiting-devices-in-california-cars-la-times.810249/?post=118263798#post-118263798

I wish this was a thing everywhere. I hate having to actively monitor my own speed on roads that are not properly designed with traffic calming measures.

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sorry-speeders-new-bill-would-require-speed-limiting-devices-in-california-cars-la-times.810249/?post=118263798#post-118263798

I wish this was a thing everywhere. I hate having to actively monitor my own speed on roads that are not properly designed with traffic calming measures.

Some of these people can only seem to function watching Teletubbies on their Apple Vision Pro. 
The same episode on repeat as to not get triggered by a sudden plot change.
 

[Venice]

In today's episode of 'Era pieces-of-shit who lack any trace of self-awareness whatsoever' comes TheBore's favourite ZeoVGM, aka, Jeff Marvel, with this banger:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gears-of-war-creator-cliff-bleszinski-says-series-needs-a-god-of-war-style-reboot.780137/page-8?post=118255110#post-118255110

Not exactly thread-worthy but this seems like a good enough place to put it.

Cliff put out a statement (for some reason) related to moving on from Gears.

"If they were smart, they'd enlist me for my input because, just from a PR standpoint alone it would be gold."

This man does think quite highly of himself. 

ZeoVGM, human garbage, who attempts to ridicule anyone and everyone that doesn't suck Kevin Feige's fat pink cock and constantly forces his holier-than-thou opinions about the MCU down everyone's throat, accusing CliffyB of 'thinking highly of himself'...

[books]

Completely agree. I no longer feel comfortable participating in the main Wrasslin thread

L o L

[Nintex]

Cliffy has always been a grandstander but most of his statement is about how he's done with game development and doing other things now.

And yes MS would be smart to ask him because soy corpo Gears with hillary clinton, robots and prefab lego houses ain't it.

[Potato]

In today's episode of 'Era pieces-of-shit who lack any trace of self-awareness whatsoever' comes TheBore's favourite ZeoVGM, aka, Jeff Marvel, with this banger:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gears-of-war-creator-cliff-bleszinski-says-series-needs-a-god-of-war-style-reboot.780137/page-8?post=118255110#post-118255110

Not exactly thread-worthy but this seems like a good enough place to put it.

Cliff put out a statement (for some reason) related to moving on from Gears.

"If they were smart, they'd enlist me for my input because, just from a PR standpoint alone it would be gold."

This man does think quite highly of himself. 

ZeoVGM, human garbage, who attempts to ridicule anyone and everyone that doesn't suck Kevin Feige's fat pink cock and constantly forces his holier-than-thou opinions about the MCU down everyone's throat, accusing CliffyB of 'thinking highly of himself'...

The man is a complete tosspot, but his name is pretty fucking synonymous with Gears of War and everything he said is absolutely true.

As a result, Resetera will think the exact opposite is the best way to go.

[HaughtyFrank]

Though he might overestimate how much gamers really care about the original creator. David Jaffe recently said that he thinks Kratos has gone too soft and most people just told him to get bent

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ohio-michigan-republicans-in-released-audio-endgame-is-to-ban-trans-care-for-everyone.810069/page-2?post=118287261#post-118287261

White supremacy is a cruel thing and doesn't just hurt black folks. That's why they say you can't be anti racist without also fighting for trans rights, gay rights, women's rights, and pretty much liberation for all.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ohio-michigan-republicans-in-released-audio-endgame-is-to-ban-trans-care-for-everyone.810069/page-2?post=118287261#post-118287261

White supremacy is a cruel thing and doesn't just hurt black folks. That's why they say you can't be anti racist without also fighting for trans rights, gay rights, women's rights, and pretty much liberation for all.

Aren't most of the trans deaths they mourn every year from south america?

[Potato]

Though he might overestimate how much gamers really care about the original creator. David Jaffe recently said that he thinks Kratos has gone too soft and most people just told him to get bent

The part about PR was doing the heavy lifting for me

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-dragons-dogma-2-the-final-preview.809778/page-3

planetsmasher

The problem is that big health bars ARE hard for people. A lot of folks can't do super long, drawn-out action RPG fights.

BossAttack

Git gud?

Is there anything this sped can do?

[Boredfrom]

Though he might overestimate how much gamers really care about the original creator. David Jaffe recently said that he thinks Kratos has gone too soft and most people just told him to get bent

Say what you will about the new games, but Kratos was to unlikeable in the OG games, even for a Greek hero. 

Then again, wasn’t the original plan to change the setting until Jesus Christ?