Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

Can you ever truly be "progressive" if your political ideology revolves around stanning free market capitalism?

Not really tbh.

They're right though, we can't progress back to hunter gather subsistence if we continue to allow free market capitalism to drag people all over the world out of poverty and into the horrible life Nepenthe lives.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

There needs no analogy and can be no analogy. It's a hundred year war on the Palestinian people by the European colonial powers during a time of decolonization. It's unique in the amount of pain and injustice inflicted upon the Palestinian people. You shouldn't need an analogy to understand that.

Who created Palestine out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire? Then who established it via the UN after World War II? Who's backed its existence when Israel could have conquered the whole shebang over fifty years ago?

The territory known as Palestine was created out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire by the British government through the issuance of the Balfour Declaration in 1917. Following World War II, the United Nations established the State of Israel through Resolution 181, also known as the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, in 1947. The ongoing existence of Palestine has been supported by various countries and international organizations, with efforts to find a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The complex history and geopolitical dynamics of the region have influenced the actions and decisions of involved parties.

[benji]

Ukraine is not Hamas. Ukraine did not start a war with Russia.

palestine didn't either, and this isn't a war, it's genocide. if you're lawful-good we can point at numerous international courts at this point.

Okay, then do it.

[Boredfrom]

lawful-good

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/terrence-howard-hit-with-nearly-1m-judgment-after-saying-it’s-‘immoral’-to-tax-descendants-of-slaves.822804/

The way that title was written made me think he was being fined because of what he said lol.

Yeah, that article title is a qualifier for click bait of the year.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/of-all-the-changes-in-avatar-netflix-this-one-makes-me-understand-why-the-creators-left-spoilers.822783/page-2?post=119908419#post-119908419

The Adder getting bent out of shape for someone calling his favorite cartoon's villain "Cartoonishly evil"

[Boredfrom]

If real people are being that kind of evil consistently, it's not "cartoonishly" evil. It's just evil. Some people are just evil. They don't have deeper motivation than attaining power, using that power, and abusing the people they hate. MEdia feeling the need to take every villain representative of this very real world mentality and say "you can't do that, it's not realistic, it's too cartoonish, we need to make them secretly deeper than that for reasons outsiders can't understand" is the kind of thing that's lead to the "both sides" bullshit that puts these kinds of people in power.

Ozai isn't cartoonishly evil. He's just evil. Ruthless, callous, and power hungry. And watering that down isn't a plus. It's what damn near every piece of popular media has been doing for the last 20 years.

Social media really rot everyone brains when they think good vs evil is Real World.  

Asshole, grow up for god sake.

[benji]

Uh, what the fuck are they talking about? I have no idea what the hell any of this stuff is about, that thread is practically in code, but the two clips are basically the same for the character?

It's the Prince Whatever that's the changed one not the Daniel Dae Kim.

This character isn't cartoonishly evil either, based on just these two clips, he's upholding a tradition and way of life. He's not being evil and abusing people to be evil, he clearly thinks the kid doesn't have what it takes in both instances. His refusal to fight is a sign he's not a worthy leader of this violent clan that burns people.

[Boredfrom]

Wait, Daniel Dae Kim is on it!? 

Awesome

[benji]

The Adder's example of people in the real world being "cartoonishly evil" isn't that either.

[benji]

I'll never get over how these people get so angry at people who aren't as ignorant and sheltered as they are.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I'm more angry at how the Fire Nation is Japan coded. Kinda racist to say they're invaders.

[Boredfrom]

The people that accuse others of dehumanizing minority groups are the ones wanting to see the world as a perpetual good vs evil struggle.

[benji]

The people that accuse others of dehumanizing minority groups are the ones wanting to see the world as a perpetual good vs evil struggle.

The all-or-nothing distortion involves perceiving the world as a binary — a pair of opposites. Also known as polarized, dichotomous, or black-and-white thinking, it’s the tendency to see things as “either/or.”

“It’s between two extremes,” according to Paige Dyer, a licensed marriage and family therapist in Gainesville, Florida. “There are no other possibilities.”

Cognitive distortions, in general, may affect your mood and the way you behave.

“Our thinking directly impacts our emotional state, and how we behave is based on our thinking and emotions,” explains Dyer.

All-or-nothing thinking has been associated with symptoms of:
anxiety
depression
substance use disorder
eating disorders
post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
personality disorders

Self-perception
When evaluating your achievements, polarized thinking can reinforce a binary of success or failure. It may lead you to give into all-or-nothing perfectionism. For example, “If I don’t always get an A in my exams, I’m a failure.”

Appearance, and social comparison, are other examples of how all-or-nothing thinking may affect self-perception, says Dyer.

“When a teen sees retouched images on social media, an automatic thought may be: ‘My body doesn’t look like this; I hate my body,’” adds Dyer. “Or, ‘If I looked like her, I’d love my body.’”

Judging yourself based on the extremes of love and hate can make it hard to identify features you like about your body, Dyer added. “There’s no middle ground of, ‘I like my eyes, and I’d like to change my smile.'”

Motivation and self-defeating behaviors
An all-or-nothing mentality may lead to avoidant behaviors. Conscious or not, it may promote making excuses to reduce effort.
“I can’t finish everything, I won’t do anything.”
“My alarm didn’t go off, I will cancel the meeting.”

Depression and hopelessness
People living with symptoms of depression may tend to use all-or-nothing thinking, alongside catastrophizing and overgeneralization.

“When we feel hopeless, we become stuck in the feeling,” explains Dyer. “It’s hard to identify alternatives.”

Examples of all-or-nothing thinking in this scenario may include:
“I never feel happy; I always feel sad.”
“Everything is terrible; nothing good ever happens.”
“It’s always going to be like this.”

Trauma and blame
The all-or-nothing cognitive distortion may be linked to experiences of trauma, especially in childhood. These traumatic events can impact the way you organize and interpret information from your surroundings.

Children sometimes blame themselves for how a traumatic experience has also affected the family. “The child may see their mom is negatively impacted because of what happened, and think: ‘It’s my fault. If I had told someone sooner, my mom would be OK.”

Relationship conflict
All-or-nothing thinking patterns can affect interpersonal dynamics, from how you see your relationship to how you view the other person. It can also set unrealistic expectations and stunt opportunities for growth, Dyer says.

“It limits your ability to see the exceptions that exist,” she adds. “If you’re anticipating it’s never going to improve, it never will.”

Splitting (also called binary thinking, black-and-white thinking, all-or-nothing thinking, or thinking in extremes) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together the dichotomy of both perceived positive and negative qualities of something into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism[1] wherein the individual tends to think in extremes (e.g., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground). This kind of dichotomous interpretation is contrasted by an acknowledgement of certain nuances known as "shades of gray".[2]

Splitting was first described by Ronald Fairbairn in his formulation of object relations theory;[3] it begins as the inability of the infant to combine the fulfilling aspects of the parents (the good object) and their unresponsive aspects (the unsatisfying object) into the same individuals, instead seeing the good and bad as separate. In psychoanalytic theory this functions as a defense mechanism.[4]

Splitting creates instability in relationships because one person can be viewed as either personified virtue or personified vice at different times, depending on whether they gratify the subject's needs or frustrate them. This, along with similar oscillations in the experience and appraisal of the self, leads to chaotic and unstable relationship patterns, identity diffusion, and mood swings.[5]

Splitting is common during adolescence, but is regarded as transient.

Splitting is a relatively common defense mechanism for people with borderline personality disorder.[8] One of the DSM IV-TR criteria for this disorder is a description of splitting: "a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation".[12][13] In psychoanalytic theory, people with borderline personality disorder are not able to integrate the good and bad images of both self and others, resulting in a bad representation which dominates the good representation.[14]

People matching the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder also use splitting as a central defense mechanism. Most often narcissists do this as an attempt to stabilize their sense of self-positivity in order to preserve their self-esteem, by perceiving themselves as purely upright or admirable and others who do not conform to their will or values as purely wicked or contemptible.[15]

The cognitive habit of splitting also implies the use of other related defense mechanisms, namely idealization and devaluation, which are preventive attitudes or reactions to narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury.[14]

[Boredfrom]

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Uh, what the fuck are they talking about? I have no idea what the hell any of this stuff is about, that thread is practically in code, but the two clips are basically the same for the character?

It's the Prince Whatever that's the changed one not the Daniel Dae Kim.

This character isn't cartoonishly evil either, based on just these two clips, he's upholding a tradition and way of life. He's not being evil and abusing people to be evil, he clearly thinks the kid doesn't have what it takes in both instances. His refusal to fight is a sign he's not a worthy leader of this violent clan that burns people.

I haven’t watched either show, so dunno if the characterization is different or better between shows. But it annoys me how Adder thinks that “Cartoonishly evil” is real life or having a perpetually monstrous character is not “tropey”  

You should note that in the OG show the main villain is portrayed to be totally in the wrong and the only way to deal with him is that the main character becomes strong enough to defeat/kill him before a meteor power up the imperialist fire user nation. That was the deep of that character and I think never expanded it beyond “he is a powerful asshole that wants to conquer the world”. For a show famous for its writing, I always feel weird that the main villain was just that. (He was voided by Mark Hamill, so it I guess that was partially intentional)

Reading between lines, I feel that they are mad that the character arc of “your dad never loved you and you need to deal with it” is changed to “your dad is an asshole and you need to deal with that”. Both show parental abuse either way. Honestly, feels like daddy issues from RE.

[HardcoreRetro]

I've got an idea.

If they find that ninth planet, they should call it Palestine. That'll trick the jews into trying to colonize it.

Conflict solved.

[Boredfrom]

So, this sort of argument is why we asked people not to compare atrocities in the other thread. Just saying.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/group-in-michigan-urges-protest-vote-in-primary-against-biden-over-israel-gaza-war.815463/page-11?post=119908842#post-119908842

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israel’s-story-changed.822843/

>Made by BDumbs
>Uses Al Jazeera from all news sities.

Don't even know what to say about something this blatantly horrible.

That is not surprising, actually. But I suppose Nepenthe screamed you at discord to make the thread.

[benji]

I haven’t watched either show, so dunno if the characterization is different or better between shows. But it annoys me how Adder thinks that “Cartoonishly evil” is real life or having a perpetually monstrous character is not “tropey”  

You should note that in the OG show the main villain is portrayed to be totally in the wrong and the only way to deal with him is that the main character becomes strong enough to defeat/kill him before a meteor power up the imperialist fire user nation. That was the deep of that character and I think never expanded it beyond “he is a powerful asshole that wants to conquer the world”.

I would suggest that this ties to an important distinction between the real world and fictional ones that our experts in media literacy and all other topics miss.

In the real world "conquer the world to be evil" isn't a viable concept for human action. To have power you have to, at the very least, convince others of what you want. (Ugh, emotional labor.) People don't follow "the bad guy" because they're also evil and working with others who are evil is just what you do, they follow "the bad guy" because they think he's right and achieving his goal will be a good thing.

The Adder himself explained in that thread that he doesn't want fictional villains humanized because it upsets him personally by inserting the notion into the back of his mind that he should not automatically dehumanize people in the real world whose goals he disagrees with or doesn't understand.

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israel’s-story-changed.822843/

>Made by BDumbs
>Uses Al Jazeera from all news sities.

Don't even know what to say about something this blatantly horrible.

That is not surprising, actually. But I suppose Nepenthe screamed you at discord to make the thread.

Thread will be one to watch for the extremist takes

[Snoopy]

Thundercunt is on one again. Today she's mad about jiggling tits and a ree's mum not being that fussed about them-

Of course the witch has to a) wear underwear in battle b) have her tits jiggle and c) ...have this weird exaggerated hip dance idle animation because...??? Deep lore reasons, I'm sure 🙄

So, so tired of this shit.

Wat. I didn't call you a liar. I laughed at the fact that you dismissed criticism as "overblown" (it's not, if you think that, you have been consuming too much weeb crap and got desensitized) and followed that up by bringing up your (checks notes) mother's opinion.

As for the rest except I am allowed to have that opinion. That's my point, this subjective issue which is neither black and white. Its same way I agree that some o of other female designs are risque. I just don't count Scarlet among them, hell complaints about her didn't even exist until the demo launched her design has been front & center for months. For that matter reason I brought up the anecdote and other communities like twitter, reddit, fan site etc is to note I am not alone on the view who isn't bothered her. I could do without the jiggle but I think her sweater+combat dress combo is snazzy (fairly normal by RPG standards) and I've liked similar designs like this such as Fate/Stay Night's Saber. I'm not saying you have to. I have no interest in forcing my vew on others just giving the two cents.

We are clearly not going to see eye-to-eye on this so that is fine.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/unicorn-overlord-demo-available-now-on-switch-ps-xbox-progress-will-transfer-to-main-game.819483/page-19?post=119907645#post-119907645

[Potato]

It is not identical but it is similar.

Ukraine is being occupied is it not? Because of Russia feeling threatened and sole old historical "right" to rule over it according to Putin. And civilians are being massacred.

And yet, Biden thinks one is bad and the other not. That's the similarities. Hamas does what it does and yet Palestine is the enemy according to Israel. Just like Russia tried to use Azov and nazi militias as excuse to invade and occupy Ukraine.

Okay. What is Israel supposed to do then? Just drop their arms and play defense the whole time while Hamas continues to attack?   I'm confused. Is the end goal that Israel should pack it up and leave and that's that for people?

I must have missed when the Ukrainians crossed the border into Russia and massacred innocent men, women and children and committed multiple sexual assaults and then took hostages.

[kaleidoscopium]

They love to conveniently ignore October 7th, the largest killing of Jews since the holocaust. Wonder why they ignore it…

[JoeBoy101]

It is not identical but it is similar.

Ukraine is being occupied is it not? Because of Russia feeling threatened and sole old historical "right" to rule over it according to Putin. And civilians are being massacred.

And yet, Biden thinks one is bad and the other not. That's the similarities. Hamas does what it does and yet Palestine is the enemy according to Israel. Just like Russia tried to use Azov and nazi militias as excuse to invade and occupy Ukraine.

Okay. What is Israel supposed to do then? Just drop their arms and play defense the whole time while Hamas continues to attack?   I'm confused. Is the end goal that Israel should pack it up and leave and that's that for people?

I mean, your words.

[HaughtyFrank]

So, this sort of argument is why we asked people not to compare atrocities in the other thread. Just saying.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/group-in-michigan-urges-protest-vote-in-primary-against-biden-over-israel-gaza-war.815463/page-11?post=119908842#post-119908842

And then he bans Bruhaha for 3 months because he took issue with the comparison? Why wouldn't you ban the person who compared the atrocities in the first place??? You literally just said that this was the problem!

[Boredfrom]

So, so tired of this shit.

Really? You could have fool me given how much you bitch about it. At this point you have better options for you power fantasy fix that accommodate you.

“This Japanese dev that has a deep story of having fan service in their games has fan service in their most recent game”.  

[Besticus Maximus]

Top tip: become less tired of relentless weeb waifu silliness by viewing threads about such things less frequently

[killamajig]

"This stuff makes me so mad and depressed, I spent the whole day looking at it."

"And tomorrow I will do it all over again."

"I'm so tired."

-Resetera

[Bootsthecat]

Self-loathing is a hell of a drug

[CHOW CHOW]

The genocide thread hasn't been posted in since Tuesday night 

Quick, someone bump it!