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[Boredfrom]

1687884457[/url]']
https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-the-dc-brand-damaged.735537/
Marvel bootlicker

With the Box Office performance of "The Flash" in theaters I guess we should probably have this conversation.

Many seem to claim that "DC" as a brand is damaged and needs to take a break.

However, non "DCEU" films such as The Batman or Joker have done fine, and shows divorced from the "Snyderverse" aesthetic like CW's Arrowverse and arguably Peacemaker have all done well. Which to me shows that the DC brand still has strength.

Do you think the failures of the "DCEU" have poisoned the well for all things DC?

Obligatory:

Compare how many threads RE has about Ant-Man 3 bombing over the Flash. Yes, the Flash is the bigger film, but they act like Ant Man 3 was not biggie or wasn’t a sign of Super Hero fatigue.

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 The fact that people are saying this mess of misogyny is the best FF story ever just makes me really, really sad.

Fucking hate how Anita made the discourse about sexism worse…

Yes, you could argue there is sexist elements about the story (even if they clearly incidental at worst, innocuous at best), but the game is nowhere misogynistic given there is still a lot of strong female side characters (Jill is still a strong character, but being more a emotional support makes her invalid in their eyes). I’m sorry that the female villains are cunts, RE, I’m sorry…

[Eric Cartman]

I like companies that sell me things I want to buy.

That's pretty much the totality of input into society I want to hear from them, outside of "We realise tax loopholes are a dick move and are going to pay our fair share".

[Boredfrom]

1687881940[/url]']

1687858037[/url]']
Can someone explain to me how people are getting slavery from FF16?

The bearers are literally branded and sent off to camps to concentrate them. There's nothing else that could possibly point to. Has to be the transatlantic slave trade.

To be fair, Square did write in some low-hanging fruit that made it easy for the woke mob to make parallels. "Bearer-lover" for instance

But I also think that Square thought people will be smart enough to understand that slavery was not exclusively about race and skin color. That man can be the wolf of man for petty reasons. That its justifications are more about power structures and social hierarchy.

[HaughtyFrank]

Fucking hate how Anita made the discourse about sexism worse…

Media analysis took a huge nosedive ever since. People always made dumb arguments but suddenly people gave those dumb arguments much more weight. Like isn't it weird that when Angry Joe whines that every man in Last of us 2 is weak or meets a bad end he gets laughed out of the room but when they make the exact same argument about women in FF16 it's suddenly very important media analysis?
Could we maybe engage with the actual stories instead of collecting points on a scoreboard?

[Lonewulfeus]

1687862954[/url]']
Wizards, Virgins and incels! I need your advice on how to get a blowjob from a woman

He should go to the bore.com and get Himu’s advice

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-79#post-107894139

Isn't it amazing with the Elliot Page bullshit going on right now how many TERF women feel qualified to comment on what a man is without any self awareness whatsoever?

[Nintex]

1687881940[/url]']

1687858037[/url]']
Can someone explain to me how people are getting slavery from FF16?

The bearers are literally branded and sent off to camps to concentrate them. There's nothing else that could possibly point to. Has to be the transatlantic slave trade.

To be fair, Square did write in some low-hanging fruit that made it easy for the woke mob to make parallels. "Bearer-lover" for instance

But I also think that Square thought people will be smart enough to understand that slavery was not exclusively about race and skin color. That man can be the wolf of man for petty reasons. That its justifications are more about power structures and social hierarchy.

Japanese game creators usually handle 'sensitive' stories with the tact and subtlety of a jackhammer.

You can often tell that the story was inspired by the Holomodor, Holocaust, The Rape of Nanking, slavery or some other horrible real historic event and then it somehow got blended into their fucked up fantasy world with comic relief and waifus driving Nazi tanks.

[Taco Bell Tower]

1687726031[/url]']
Constructive:

Question and clarification of the rules and policies. What qualifies as a "shock" thread?

In the General Guide, a shock thread is described as, "These are threads about news or content that is just disgusting and/or shocking, with little potential for discussion other than outrage. Nobody gains anything from these threads and you should not make them."

Two threads in particular are the very recent threads are the "[SoraNews24] "A friendly reminder not to accidentally get squid sperm in your mouth, it hurts" [NSFW?]" and one posted in early June titled, "Just a friendly reminder that we are all going to die"; the latter's op is just a sentence long and the former clearly written for the sake of the shock value, especially since the OP ends with, "Happy weekend dining, Era! 👋".

Neither of these threads really had much to discuss  and the replies are just filled with memes, disgust comments, innuendos and tons of one sentence comments, mostly jokes. These aren't the only two threads like this, but just two examples of something I've noticed has become more of a trend over the past year on the Etcet side of the Forum.

It honestly feels like "Weekend era" has just become "be as gross/shocking/edgy/dark as possible" now and many of them are just low effort, especially when it feels like long time users get a lot of leeway with these threads that wouldn't normally be acceptable. Personally I find it can often create a boys club feel, feels at best tacky and makes me uncomfortable sometimes, especially when the titles are deliberately vague just to draw in users to make them feel disgusted or uncomfortable when they read the op; plus incredibly annoying just to having to keep ignoring these threads.

I feel like suggestion a NSFW area for the site (within reason) but fear that would only make it worse and just give many of the users a place to be even more uncaring about the feelings of women.

We’ll sooner achieve world peace than this dumb fuck stop feeling “unsafe” about everything

I'm thoroughly confused by this post, not gonna lie.

The squid thread is funny and completely harmless. It's "gross" yes but not in a dangerous, creepy or alienating way, it's just humour about how the peculiarities of some of the animals we eat can backfire on humans. That's a perfect example of a completely fine "weekend era" thread. Why are you bringing up the feelings of women in this context?? Not only is there nothing about gender politics in this thread (at least I seriously hope you don't consider jokes about squid sperm to be gendered or sexist...) and a woman made the thread.

If anything, I'm actually annoyed that you would be bringing up the real issues of sexism and "boys club" shit we see on Era in the context of harmless threads about weird animals/food. Just because you don't like that kind of thread or humour or whatever doesn't mean you get to bring up sexism where it does not belong.

Sorry, wasn't in a good place and went overboard.

I don't think there is a need to apologize. Sometimes we find something but it is hard to pin down exactly what it is and boys club has always been a little more vague in like this.

Everyone draws the line a little differently on things whether it is boys club or shock threads. For myself I find stuff that is aiming to be humorous more acceptable than for example pain or violence or tragedy. Boys club isn't always strictly leaning misogyny or clear cut sexism. I think a lot of different behaviour especially in an environment where majority of the users are enthusiasts and the industry works like a hype factory can be potentially uncomfortable. We might feel it as cringey or borderline toxic or creepy or just... overly enthuse fan craze. Sometimes it isn't one person but the culmination of majority of the users and off-site opinions as well, from general or from popular figures. It can add weight to change the atmosphere of a thread and it can be unpleasant. It isn't always just boys club contributing either.

We also don't want to always be the fun police. Weekends we do tend to allow a little bit more mischief, partly because we want users to have fun and let loose a bit but also because we (staff) want to do other things and aren't moderating Era so might not be as active. The general state of the forum also needs to be considered, how many such silly threads are there? How frequent? How does the discussion feel? How is the OP? How are you? If the forum is slow and this thread isn't too problematic then generally it is whatever for me or maybe I'll make a note to reconsider it on Monday if it is even still relevant by then. The latter tho can be a thing. A thing like a 2am discord ping where I'm reading a report and thinking "This thread? W-why? How? Why? ... Ohhh ffs."

Any ways. I just want to say that while I know you've taken the post back and such, discussing feelings can be hard and more so for feelings of unpleasantness or exclusion. Trying to pin point examples is hard too but it is also important. Staff needs posts like this sometimes too, to check things, to remind us and everyone. Because it is hard and we all draw the line different.

Hope I'm not mansplaining.

TheEchosOfTheCyborg requested self ban

Edit: Never mind, I regret posting this.

[books]

deimosmasque

Ugly, Queer, Gender-Fluid, Drive-In Mutant, yes?

They could probably put this under all era members tbh

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel%E2%80%99s-secret-invasion-draws-only-994k-viewers-during-its-first-5-days-second-lowest-d-marvel-show.735699/

People unsurprisingly are not keen on the latest boring dreck from the MCU. But don't worry. Fj0823 and ZeroVagina's on the case to astroturf and say you're wrong about MCU/superhero fatigue.

That's probably why the only 2 actually profitable films of this packed summer where superhero films. Could you please remind me what's the #1 film right now at the BO?

Then why are we still using the "Superhero fatigue" buzzword?

"Bad shit does bad" clearly doesn't sound as clever I guess

It's actually very easy to argue against it at this point. In fact, all you need to do is point at the current box office where both Spider-Verse and Guardians 3 are huge hits that push against the "fatigue" narrative simply by existing.

The bad superhero movies did bad. The good ones did very good. This has been true for the past year and a half with Guardians 3, Spider-Verse, Wakanda Forever, Love & Thunder, The Batman, Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home.

Nah, you just don't know what you're talking about on this subject. The fact that you're pretending that Guardians 3 is a disappointment is proof of this.

Guardians 3 is a huge hit and a factual, undeniable success.

The only superhero movies that have done poorly at the box office for the past year and a half are the bad ones. The good ones have all done well. Even the divisive ones (L&T, MoM) have done well.

Any thread that isn't showering the MCU with praise, you can be one or both of those two shills are running damage control.

[Boredfrom]

A film made by Sony Animation and with not ties with the MCU and the last film from a director that Disney alienated to the point of joining the competition.

[Greatness Gone]

1687881940[/url]']

1687858037[/url]']
Can someone explain to me how people are getting slavery from FF16?

The bearers are literally branded and sent off to camps to concentrate them. There's nothing else that could possibly point to. Has to be the transatlantic slave trade.

To be fair, Square did write in some low-hanging fruit that made it easy for the woke mob to make parallels. "Bearer-lover" for instance

But I also think that Square thought people will be smart enough to understand that slavery was not exclusively about race and skin color. That man can be the wolf of man for petty reasons. That its justifications are more about power structures and social hierarchy.

Square (being a company comprised of normal people) assumed that FF16's story would just be taken at face value like every other game in the franchise; instead it's yet another victim of political correctness since it dared to broach themes of oppression and sexuality.

There are posters in the Dragon Quest 12 thread from today accusing the game of being a misogynistic gorefest. What the fuck are they even playing, because it doesn't sound like FF16? 

[NekoFever]

The bad superhero movies did bad. The good ones did very good. This has been true for the past year and a half with Guardians 3, Spider-Verse, Wakanda Forever, Love & Thunder, The Batman, Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home.

Which were the bad ones? Because you’re in there doing damage control whenever the reviews are underwhelming.

I guess it’s ok to admit they were disappointing once the next one comes off the production line and the people who still watch this shit forget about the last one.

[Greatness Gone]

I think Spider-Verse and The Batman are the good ones. Aside from those I only saw Wakanda Forever and No Way Home which were horrendous.

[nobody of note]

Earlier today, constructive has somebody object to the number of threads being collapsed into the Activision/Microsoft merger thread. Gets immediate mod explanation:

The MS/ABK acquisition OT is becoming an all-consuming monster.

The over-reach from "any discussion about the MS/ABK acquisition belongs in that thread" to "any discussion about anything revealed in the process of the MS/ABK acquisition belongs in that thread" is... bad. Given how much is being revealed through the FTC's discovery process, at this point that effectively amounts to "any discussion about the future of Microsoft in the games industry belongs in that thread".

I do get it. I get why containment threads are appealing and useful. I get that.

But it's not healthy for the forum for such a wide breadth of potential discussion to be crammed into a single, totally unwelcoming, utterly unapproachable, 1,200 page long containment zone.

Regretfully this hits very close to home...
In principle I agree there is lots of interesting stuff being revealed that is worth discussing, however everyone of those threads turns into a dumpsterfire that needs an inordinate amount of moderation...

This is the thing. We've discussed it internally for a while now and tried to let some of these threads go, but they always turn into platform warring nonsense.

I'm not saying the acquisition ot is perfect, it's still a bit of a mess, but we've at least been able to threadban some of the bigger Xbox and PlayStation warriors which helps keep it on the straight and narrow for the most part.

The big problem is that some people, whether they admit it to themselves or not, are coming into this with at least some warrior nonsense. This means, when we warn people about not being warriors they think that doesn't apply to them and do what they do and we wind up buried and any chance for discussion is ruined.

As if the fates themselves wanted to immediately demonstrate that moderation is bad, there's some semi-gaming-news that comes out of the filings. Somebody makes a thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/dayz-2-is-in-development-from-microsoft-abk-court-fillings.735675/

It is locked 10 posts in:

This can be posted in the ABK OT.

So now people are protesting that:

While I believe most of the ABk/Microsoft thread closures have been warranted by the way the community has behaved in them, the DayZ 2 existence thread closure feels like an overreaction and has absolutely no place in even attempting to discuss in the deal OT. There's nothing about that game outside of the discovery in court documents that pertains to the thread subject.

I came back to say this. Lmao.

You're supposed to try and talk about a game leak in the 1200 page thread about the acquisition? Come on.

Absolutely.  There wasn't even any console warring.  10 posts then a lock.  For legitimate gaming news.

This is honestly absurd at this point.

Also the female characters in FFXVI are pretty thin and not great, but so are most of the male characters too. I'd be curious to know if Benedikta's storyline was supposed to have more room to breathe, and if Jill was originally having adventures off-camera before they decided to add in party members and she got stuck spending most of the story as tagalong at the last minute. But it's not misogyny it's just a game with way more effort put into explaining its world than its characters.

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel’s-secret-invasion-draws-only-994k-viewers-during-its-first-5-days-second-lowest-d-marvel-show.735699/page-4

I chose not to watch because of the AI credits so lol

 

[Uncle]

oh that explains the low viewership, most people who would've otherwise watched are upset about how AI is destroying all art

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel%E2%80%99s-secret-invasion-draws-only-994k-viewers-during-its-first-5-days-second-lowest-d-marvel-show.735699/

People unsurprisingly are not keen on the latest boring dreck from the MCU. But don't worry. Fj0823 and ZeroVagina's on the case to astroturf and say you're wrong about MCU/superhero fatigue.

That's probably why the only 2 actually profitable films of this packed summer where superhero films. Could you please remind me what's the #1 film right now at the BO?

Then why are we still using the "Superhero fatigue" buzzword?

"Bad shit does bad" clearly doesn't sound as clever I guess

It's actually very easy to argue against it at this point. In fact, all you need to do is point at the current box office where both Spider-Verse and Guardians 3 are huge hits that push against the "fatigue" narrative simply by existing.

The bad superhero movies did bad. The good ones did very good. This has been true for the past year and a half with Guardians 3, Spider-Verse, Wakanda Forever, Love & Thunder, The Batman, Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home.

Nah, you just don't know what you're talking about on this subject. The fact that you're pretending that Guardians 3 is a disappointment is proof of this.

Guardians 3 is a huge hit and a factual, undeniable success.

The only superhero movies that have done poorly at the box office for the past year and a half are the bad ones. The good ones have all done well. Even the divisive ones (L&T, MoM) have done well.

Any thread that isn't showering the MCU with praise, you can be one or both of those two shills are running damage control.

Dyle in that thread

Unlike Trump I don't look at things which are marked as secret and apparnetly neither do most Disney+ users

[Besticus Maximus]

Whatever happens, we CAN NOT allow for a platform war on a videogames forum

And also while we're on I hate sparrows and can't see any downside to exterminating all of them if we work together

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel’s-secret-invasion-draws-only-994k-viewers-during-its-first-5-days-second-lowest-d-marvel-show.735699/page-4

I chose not to watch because of the AI credits so lol

 

ZeoVagina

What sucks about this thread is that the OP is skewing discussion with the thread title.

"Only" 994k viewers, as if those numbers are automatically bad.

If according to this (very unreliable) tracking site, The Mandalorian's finale did 1.4m and Peacemaker, which is considered a success, did 584k, why are these bad numbers for a Nick Fury spin-off series? What do you think the numbers should be to not fall into the disappointment-skewing "only" descriptor?

[HaughtyFrank]

Zeo has reached maximum desperation as he admits that Quantumania is a bad movie

[Potato]

Can someone explain to me how people are getting only slavery from FF16?

The bearers are literally branded and sent off to camps to concentrate them. There's nothing else that could possibly point to. Has to be the transatlantic slave trade.

Everything is always all about their very specific concerns and problems. It is known.

I see I missed putting an "only" in my comment. Game deals with opression as a universal theme. I hate that most stuff we get to read comes from an American point of view only. Literal black and white shit.

I as a dutch guy can just as easily read the game as dealing with Dutch treatment of Indonesian people. It's as if it's a universal theme.

User banned: Dismissing the specific concerns of nepnep 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/disgusting-nazi-roseanne-barr-says-on-podcast-six-million-jews-should-die-right-now-cause-they-cause-all-the-problems-in-the-world.735762/#post-108114126

Yeah, but this thread has a more accurate title.

Incoming ban for double down

Instead of reading the clickbait-y article you posted, watch the whole clip, OP.

She was being sarcastic and the internet decided to run wild.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel%E2%80%99s-secret-invasion-draws-only-994k-viewers-during-its-first-5-days-second-lowest-d-marvel-show.735699/

People unsurprisingly are not keen on the latest boring dreck from the MCU. But don't worry. Fj0823 and ZeroVagina's on the case to astroturf and say you're wrong about MCU/superhero fatigue.

That's probably why the only 2 actually profitable films of this packed summer where superhero films. Could you please remind me what's the #1 film right now at the BO?

Then why are we still using the "Superhero fatigue" buzzword?

"Bad shit does bad" clearly doesn't sound as clever I guess

It's actually very easy to argue against it at this point. In fact, all you need to do is point at the current box office where both Spider-Verse and Guardians 3 are huge hits that push against the "fatigue" narrative simply by existing.

The bad superhero movies did bad. The good ones did very good. This has been true for the past year and a half with Guardians 3, Spider-Verse, Wakanda Forever, Love & Thunder, The Batman, Multiverse of Madness and No Way Home.

Nah, you just don't know what you're talking about on this subject. The fact that you're pretending that Guardians 3 is a disappointment is proof of this.

Guardians 3 is a huge hit and a factual, undeniable success.

The only superhero movies that have done poorly at the box office for the past year and a half are the bad ones. The good ones have all done well. Even the divisive ones (L&T, MoM) have done well.

Any thread that isn't showering the MCU with praise, you can be one or both of those two shills are running damage control.

I saw Guardians 3 a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't tell you what happened in it at all. Even more competent but forgettable superhero slop honestly, just like Wakanda Whatever and the rest.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vulture-spider-verse-artists-say-working-on-the-sequel-was-%E2%80%98death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts%E2%80%99.734184/#post-107871171

User Banned (Permanent): Use of Ableist Terms, History of Similar and Other Infractions

It'd be nice if these producers had a modicum of consideration for the people under them who have to shoulder the burden of their schizophrenic decision making.

He must have been on someone's list.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vulture-spider-verse-artists-say-working-on-the-sequel-was-%E2%80%98death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts%E2%80%99.734184/#post-107871171

User Banned (Permanent): Use of Ableist Terms, History of Similar and Other Infractions

It'd be nice if these producers had a modicum of consideration for the people under them who have to shoulder the burden of their schizophrenic decision making.

He must have been on someone's list.

I swear I seen him get permbanned a couple of times.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vulture-spider-verse-artists-say-working-on-the-sequel-was-%E2%80%98death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts%E2%80%99.734184/#post-107871171

User Banned (Permanent): Use of Ableist Terms, History of Similar and Other Infractions

It'd be nice if these producers had a modicum of consideration for the people under them who have to shoulder the burden of their schizophrenic decision making.

He must have been on someone's list.

Alright, who on the modteam is schizophrenic

[Boredfrom]

Ah, shit, here we go again...

So what does “a game directed toward an adult audience” mean here? Is this going to be another game inspired by Game of Thrones?

Very ironic coming from someone with a Berserk avatar.

User Banned (3 Days): Avatar shaming 

That is not Avatar shaming, you dumb fucks. Berserker is the ultimate example of edgy dark fantasy.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vulture-spider-verse-artists-say-working-on-the-sequel-was-%E2%80%98death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts%E2%80%99.734184/#post-107871171

User Banned (Permanent): Use of Ableist Terms, History of Similar and Other Infractions

It'd be nice if these producers had a modicum of consideration for the people under them who have to shoulder the burden of their schizophrenic decision making.

He must have been on someone's list.

Alright, who on the modteam is schizophrenic

Really? Who isn't?

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vulture-spider-verse-artists-say-working-on-the-sequel-was-%E2%80%98death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts%E2%80%99.734184/#post-107871171

User Banned (Permanent): Use of Ableist Terms, History of Similar and Other Infractions

It'd be nice if these producers had a modicum of consideration for the people under them who have to shoulder the burden of their schizophrenic decision making.

He must have been on someone's list.

Alright, who on the modteam is schizophrenic