Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Boredfrom]

They are genuinely scared that MOBA gets involved.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/neve-campbell-announces-she-is-back-for-new-%E2%80%98scream%E2%80%99-movie.826443/page-2?post=120384600#post-120384600

Lost Noah, lost Jamie Lee and now Neve

disappointing

 Why?

Fuck Spyglass and Scream.

Drive by? 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Nepnep banned herself from participating in the Palestinian / Israel talks. I think that's enough of a punishment.  

I hope she's able to recover from this. Being banned from talking about hating Jews is far more worse than losing their moderation status.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Also I'm confused. Hasn't their house, address, twitter, etc been posted on Kiwifarms for years now? All information gotten through public means?

[benji]

GAF, and then ERA, have been responsible for much of my personal growth over the past decade.  I learned so much about US and global politics, which has led to me becoming more progressive.  I learned so much about the struggles and joys of trans people.  Trans rights are human rights and trans people deserve all the love in the world and it was this place that opened up that whole world to me. 

 

Not reading but enjoy:

Naturally, this isn't something that the majority of people want. You don't want that. I don't want that. Genocide is horrible no matter who it happens to. This in turn lead to another conversation last night with Jewish staff because I admitted there were other simultaneous conversations happening where other parties have come back to me in response saying they don't think those tweets were antisemitic from a very frank perspective of addressing the on-going genocide happening right now, and the logistical and historical outcomes of decolonialism itself wherein, largely, the oppressors aren't actually genocided when autonomy is gained.

Because the "colonialists" didn't live there you utter moron.

Also lmao at that sentence.

That got railroaded when, during my lunch break, I learned that my house got put up on hate sites, I was advised by both site administration, my boss, and the security guard there to get in contact with the police, and PoliEra decided to descend into chaos (Fun fact: I've had the PoliEra OTs blocked since I last posted in them, so I was one of the last administrators to even know any shit was going down in the first place regarding Brady's ban). Even today I had to perform follow-up with another local police department. But that story and admonishment will be for another post.

    

The security guard at Rite-Aid helped convince the police abolitionist to run to multiple police departments about a non-crime that couldn't possibly put anyone in danger she was told about online.

So once again, I apologize. As I said, the last thing I want to do is ever impart harm or become a direct liability to any members here, and there's two things I'm going to do to ensure that this never happens again. First is that I'm simply not going to talk about the I/P conflict in any way, here or elsewhere online, because it's clear I'm not equipped to discuss this in a way that doesn't actually engender legitimate feelings of fear.

Nobody has feelings of fear from anything you say, YOU'RE JUST IGNORANT, SHELTERED AND DUMB. Also holy shit at the wording in this whole post, nonsense like "impart harm or become a direct liability to any members here" or "engender legitimate feelings of fear" are so very stupid person trying to sound smart.

[clockwork5]

That’s not a picture of your house, Nep. That’s your Versa but that’s not your house. That’s your stepdads house.

[Averon]

All that word salad and yet Nep remains on staff.  

- Someone saying they like beautiful women...2 week ban!
- Someone saying they watch a Dave Chapelle special...2 month ban!
- Admit that Hogwart's Legacy exists...at least a 3 day ban.
- Just admitting you're aware of KF on an offsite platform...gets the damn General Manager to go on a jihad against you

Now, compare that to....

- A moderator going pedantic on sex slavery...nothing happens
- An administrator showing her ass for years being racist and antisemitic...massive effort by staff to protect her and gaslight the community and not even given a demotion to a mere moderator
- Mods cheering suicide for political causes...again no punishment is handed out

[benji]

That’s not a picture of your house, Nep. That’s your Versa but that’s not your house. That’s your stepdads house.

To be fair, it could also be her mom's house.

[benji]

She admits she literally thought the seventy year Israeli-Muslim conflict could be ended by all the Israelis just randomly agreeing to leave to go somewhere undetermined.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Yes. Leave the land and all the Jews who were kicked out of Muslim nations and were forced to go to Israel will just be allowed to go back too.

[kaleidoscopium]

I just mailed in my Illinois democratic primary ballot this afternoon. Super annoying how the calendar is set so that I've never been able to participate in a meaningful presidential primary.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/president-joe-biden-is-officially-the-2024-democratic-party-nominee.826572/?post=120397128#post-120397128

Interesting, didn’t know NRS is in Illinois.

This sucks, was hoping for someone different than Genocide Joe :/

And why the hell am getting "Your reply is very short" warning? I never saw it before today.

So much for that new quarantine thread idea B Dumbs

Totally forget that is a a thing. So many people come out as so unserious and/or just girfters. I hope it becomes better in the future but i feel like we just will get better at drawning it out

I like to think Slayven uses voice to text and even Siri can’t understand what the fuck he’s muttering half the time.

[benji]

Notice that her solution to running into trouble for being ignorant isn't to promise to actually try and learn about subjects but to just talk more to her fellow idiots to be in lockstep with their opinions.

[clockwork5]

Unintentionally keeping slayven out of politics threads might be the silver lining in this.

[TylenolJones]

So I decided I was going to apologize directly to the PoliEra OT after work on Sunday and invite specifically the Jewish members to open up to me however they wished.

We were just two days away from global peace on Resetera  

That got railroaded when, during my lunch break, I learned that my house got put up on hate sites, I was advised by both site administration, my boss, and the security guard there to get in contact with the police, and PoliEra decided to descend into chaos (Fun fact: I've had the PoliEra OTs blocked since I last posted in them, so I was one of the last administrators to even know any shit was going down in the first place regarding Brady's ban).

1. Holy fuck, that’s all one sentence 
2. That timeframe seems off, didn’t the twitter account get instantly privated when it got post ed late Friday night. Also wasn’t she playing over watch the whole time?
3. How can you be a good administrator if you have to block one of the biggest threads on the site. 
4. Wait she had poligaf blocked this whole time, but was planning on apologizing that weekend. Just unblock and post an essay about how Jewish members need to accept her antisemitism? Benji shouldn’t have doxxed her, we missed out.

[Boredfrom]

Yes. Leave the land and all the Jews who were kicked out of Muslim nations and were forced to got to Israel will just be allowed to go back too.

But John Glazer just told me that it was an occupation project. 

[Taco Bell Tower]

Not reading but enjoy:

Alright so I'm finally in a place where I can sit down and just talk to people. And this will be a long one, but I hope there's some bridging to be done here.

First and foremost, I apologize to the Jewish members here for in any way giving them that impression that I was okay with any kind of antisemitic rhetoric. I am not. The Twitter account is indeed mine. I made those comments in a discussion with a rando on Twitter in a larger thread concerning the Palestinian genocide. I don't remember the inciting tweet or anything, but I did post very frank and vague anticolonialism theory without considering the wider cultural context of the Jewish perspective when it comes to calls for decolonizing Gaza.

So for the past few days I've had multiple talks behind the scenes after pulling the tweets to let others read them and help me understand where I went wrong. On one end, it was explained where the logic that Palestinian Gazans are owed autonomy to fight back by any means runs concurrent with antisemitism, and I'll explain in the way it was explained to me: Let's say that tomorrow, a permanent ceasefire is implemented and total political autonomy is given to Palestinians, and they say that they want Israelis to leave. If the Israelis say no, and Palestinians insist, then you’re probably going to have ethnic cleansing happening but in the other direction.

Naturally, this isn't something that the majority of people want. You don't want that. I don't want that. Genocide is horrible no matter who it happens to. This in turn lead to another conversation last night with Jewish staff because I admitted there were other simultaneous conversations happening where other parties have come back to me in response saying they don't think those tweets were antisemitic from a very frank perspective of addressing the on-going genocide happening right now, and the logistical and historical outcomes of decolonialism itself wherein, largely, the oppressors aren't actually genocided when autonomy is gained.

Which in turn is a problem. Because how can I possibly square two opposing viewpoints on this matter to make right? "It's antisemitic to talk about decolonialism in the context of Israel-Paestine without understanding that a potential throughline of that thought is more dead Jewish people." "It's not antisemitic to talk about decolonialism in the context of Israel-Palestine because the identity of the settler is ultimately irrelevant to the fight and self-defense of those being settled upon."

I have yet to really figure this out, but I have put that to the side for now because principally and morally, I just don't want to impart harm at the end of the day. I don't want to make either ResetEra or the wider world unsafe for anybody, especially the marginalized, if I have the means and knowledge to do the opposite. There's too much pain out there, and I do my best to not add to it. So who cares about the ambiguity of the politics and history involved if there is pain being expressed here and now? So I decided I was going to apologize directly to the PoliEra OT after work on Sunday and invite specifically the Jewish members to open up to me however they wished.

That got railroaded when, during my lunch break, I learned that my house got put up on hate sites, I was advised by both site administration, my boss, and the security guard there to get in contact with the police, and PoliEra decided to descend into chaos (Fun fact: I've had the PoliEra OTs blocked since I last posted in them, so I was one of the last administrators to even know any shit was going down in the first place regarding Brady's ban). Even today I had to perform follow-up with another local police department. But that story and admonishment will be for another post. During these talks with Jewish staff, we forced each other to stop beating around the bush and just say how we feel and where we’re coming from, and I want to share part of that to shed light on why I said the things I did:

I principally have come to believe and recognize that one's identity isn't really tied to their ability to participate in oppression. It might lead to general cultural political leanings and affects depending upon the wider material context that one's identity exists in, but it is not a full check. Like as an example, 95% of Black people who do vote, vote for Democrats. That means the other 5% are voting for Republicans. This doesn't erase their Blackness; what it does is merely reflect the reality that no one is automatically immune from identifying with and wanting to participate in systems that reinforce harmful status quos even if there are contradictions involved in doing so, just because of their identity. Melanin blocks sunlight, not cultural conditioning.

Subsequently, I don't really care about that 5% in any notable manner. Plenty of Black folks shame these people, call them coons, and get Schadenfreude at their inevitable misfortune in a white supremacist system, and largely there isn't really a belief that the act of denigrating conservative voting patterns and beliefs is inherently anti-Black when it's being aimed at a Black person on those grounds specifically. So to me, decolonizing Gaza should ideally have no more of an inherent strain of bigotry than decolonizing South Africa; if the latter is not anti-white on those grounds, it should follow that the former is not antisemitic on those grounds. These conflicts involve death, but the death isn't inherently predicated on the identity of the person performing the oppression. That is the framework and headspace I was posting in, and I learned quickly that this is an outright cultural disconnect.

Again, violence in these kinds of conflicts is indeed inevitable, and much of that violence is going to be aimed at people who aren't directly or physically capable of participating in the oppression, such as children. It isn't good that this happens even if we can sit here and rationalize it as a tragic inevitability of these conflicts where people are pushed to no other means. And specifically in terms of how Jewish people can see this, it is ultimately inseparable from the real and latent fears and generational trauma they have as a result of centuries of antisemitism within the Middle East, Africa, and Europe. That the violence, even within the context of a conflict like this, can nonetheless go too far, that justifications can be found yet again for another pogrom, another cleansing, another genocide. And yeah, that fucking sucks, and I can't in good faith blame people who don't know me intimately to wonder about whether or not I'm gunning for genocide of Jewish people unless I make it clear as such. And I failed to do that.

So once again, I apologize. As I said, the last thing I want to do is ever impart harm or become a direct liability to any members here, and there's two things I'm going to do to ensure that this never happens again. First is that I'm simply not going to talk about the I/P conflict in any way, here or elsewhere online, because it's clear I'm not equipped to discuss this in a way that doesn't actually engender legitimate feelings of fear. This also extends to modding reports; beyond maybe tagging relevant folks if something flares up which needs quick attention, I will provide no actual relevant input in report discussion. Second is that I'm going to continue just educating myself about this separately. Poodlestrike gave me some good resources to look into to further learn about both the antisemitic throughlines that can not only crop up in I/P discussions, but in general other discussions where people can slip into stereotyping, such as with the trope about Jewish new world order conspiracies.

So that’s what I have to say. I’m sorry. I hope I can earn your forgiveness and trust back, but I do understand if I’ve breached lines in an irreparable way with some members here. All I can say is that this has been a lesson learned, and I will take that lesson going forward in an effort to better myself.

Thank you.

She aint' sorry, she's only sorry cuz she got caught. 

[remy]

I'm glad this is all water under the bridge 

Wait what do you mean 12 people got banned?

[kaleidoscopium]

2. That timeframe seems off, didn’t the twitter account get instantly privated when it got post ed late Friday night. Also wasn’t she playing over watch the whole time?

Yep, she’s lying. Shocking

[benji]

"I didn't know anything about the Israel-Palestinian conflict, so I talked to some Jewish American online weirdos." -

[kaleidoscopium]

Off topic
I see we now have a US Politics sub forum with minimum word limits and posting guidelines. I guess something recently happened to cause this that I missed

https://www.resetera.com/threads/president-joe-biden-is-officially-the-2024-democratic-party-nominee.826572/page-2?post=120401802#post-120401802

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Off topic
I see we now have a US Politics sub forum with minimum word limits and posting guidelines. I guess something recently happened to cause this that I missed

https://www.resetera.com/threads/president-joe-biden-is-officially-the-2024-democratic-party-nominee.826572/page-2?post=120401802#post-120401802

Off topic is still off topic. Ban them, B-dubs. They should know better. There's a contact staff form for a reason. 

[benji]

1. Holy fuck, that’s all one sentence 

It's not as bad as this one:

This in turn lead to another conversation last night with Jewish staff because I admitted there were other simultaneous conversations happening where other parties have come back to me in response saying they don't think those tweets were antisemitic from a very frank perspective of addressing the on-going genocide happening right now, and the logistical and historical outcomes of decolonialism itself wherein, largely, the oppressors aren't actually genocided when autonomy is gained.

[TylenolJones]

Off topic
I see we now have a US Politics sub forum with minimum word limits and posting guidelines. I guess something recently happened to cause this that I missed

https://www.resetera.com/threads/president-joe-biden-is-officially-the-2024-democratic-party-nominee.826572/page-2?post=120401802#post-120401802

What are you talking about, we’ve always had a politics sub forum in Resetera.

[Propagandhim]

All it took was a picture on google maps and a security guard with a heart of gold for Nepenthe to throw out her bullet proof vest and love cops again.

[benji]

How much of her legal knowledge she posts do you think comes from this security guard? My eyes are opening to whole new possibilities.

edit: haha jk probably the first time she talked to him after the pharmacist suggested it

[BIONIC]

Thanks for your words, they are needed and helpful and it's truly shit you had to go through this. There's almost always a better chapter ahead.

That's the most honest post I've seen from staff since this all started and I thank you for it. I hope you're somewhere safe and have support around you. I don't know much about what happened regarding the doxxing since I had also left that thread before it got started. Do you mind if I ask, was your house being up on the hate sites a recent thing or had it been there for a while and was only recently noticed?

❤️ you, Nep.

As someone who directly called for this, I feel my best response is knowing an issue where your input no matter what cannot be helpful is perhaps the healthiest relationship one can have with a very fraught and complex topic. Listening and developing your own personal views is really important but sometimes turning on listening only is by far the best way to handle things. I'm trying to word this in a way that's not minimizing or combative because I do not mean for it to be read that way.

Thank you for such a candid and comprehensively written response, Nepenthe.

——

Going to read this again and again, but this is what I'm coming away with...

• Brevity and sincerity goes a long ways.
  
• This feels exceptionally impersonal and sanitized.
  
• It belongs to a site wide audience not secluded in a thread that vast a majority never even knew existed.
  

A vast majority don't even know anything went down at all. Why give the hate sites that much more exposure? I could see repeating it in the new PoliEra thread when it gets made, but I don't think more is necessary from this Admin on this specific issue.

+ *shits own pants*

[Boredfrom]

We forgive you, Queen.

[benji]

ArrogantBastard is the only one who probably actually read that shit.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/no-trans-people-did-not-harass-or-dox-jk-rowling-she-did-however-unleash-her-twitter-followers-to-harass-them.518817/

Multiple trans activists took pictures of themselves peacefully holding signs in front of Rowling's house. The pictures *did* show Rowling's home address... But that address is to a known historic home, to and it's well known and has been on the internet for over a decade that she lives there

Showing the address of someone who publicly has shared their address for over a decade is not doxxing or harassing. This was yet another targeted attempt to silence trans voices.

It's so fucked up that she got to spin it this way, like 5 seconds of googling finds all of her addresses, from pre-harry potter, the castle she bought, the address she lived in until 2012, and then this place. all of which were harry potter fan sites and had plenty of photos of them...

They did not dox her in any way, I mean aren't most celebrities addressed well known or easy to find on google.

So her private address was already publicly known? Or not?

Protesting. Is. Not. Harassment.

Stop this shit

Rowling is perpetually wrong and her transphobia emanates from every tweet in that thread.
That being said, when you protest against someone and post a picture on social media with the address, there's an underline intention that can't be denied in today's climate. Even if the address can be found online, there's an incentive for more people to go to her house and I don't think that's okay. No matter how vile that person is.

Can y'all please stop policing how we're supposed to protest the billionaire who's advocating against our rights?

Won't anyone think of the poor white billionaire and how inconvenient having her old castle's address posted is? I mean now she's gotta remind the studios they shouldn't send the checks there.

So is it doxxing or not?

[TylenolJones]

It belongs to a site wide audience not secluded in a thread that vast a majority never even knew existed.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Thanks for your words, they are needed and helpful and it's truly shit you had to go through this. There's almost always a better chapter ahead.

That's the most honest post I've seen from staff since this all started and I thank you for it.  I hope you're somewhere safe and have support around you.  I don't know much about what happened regarding the doxxing since I had also left that thread before it got started.  Do you mind if I ask, was your house being up on the hate sites a recent thing or had it been there for a while and was only recently noticed?

❤️ you, Nep.

As someone who directly called for this, I feel my best response is knowing an issue where your input no matter what cannot be helpful is perhaps the healthiest relationship one can have with a very fraught and complex topic. Listening and developing your own personal views is really important but sometimes turning on listening only is by far the best way to handle things. I'm trying to word this in a way that's not minimizing or combative because I do not mean for it to be read that way.

Thank you for such a candid and comprehensively written response, Nepenthe.

——

Going to read this again and again, but this is what I'm coming away with...

• Brevity and sincerity goes a long ways.
  
• This feels exceptionally impersonal and sanitized.
  
• It belongs to a site wide audience not secluded in a thread that vast a majority never even knew existed.
  

A vast majority don't even know anything went down at all.  Why give the hate sites that much more exposure?  I could see repeating it in the new PoliEra thread when it gets made, but I don't think more is necessary from this Admin on this specific issue.

+ *shits own pants*

Nepnep rn: