Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Taco Bell Tower]

Morrigan:

I give a major side eye to anyone who comes in here and say's their wife's boyfriend's girlfriend's system's baby headmate loves playing "sexy powerful women".

Neurotypical heteronormative opinions do not, and will never, matter on this forum.

Why are they always like that. All the guy said was that, hey, maybe not every woman despises games like this

I always struggle with sweeping accusations that woman can't like these games.

My wife straight-up doesn't play video games. Her hobbies are so far removed from this one. But she actually really enjoys my Bayonetta and Nier playthroughs because - her words - she likes watching a sexy looking woman can also kick huge ass. She knows I'm excited for Stellar Blade and has no problem with that whatsoever.

I'm not defending the problems with the studio or the game... nor am I saying my one anecdote is more valuable than someone else's. I'm just saying, it's not fair to paint with such a broad brush.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/post-120937446

I mean, I know exactly why they're like this, because they're trying to have the moral high ground by claiming that they're speaking for all women so anything that contradicts that is considered bad. 

On that note, this reminds me of a recent episode of 'How did this get made', a podcast where some comedians watch bad movies. In this case they saw a really lowbrow animated Danish movie about Barbarians filled with dick and tit jokes. Surprisingly it was actually the woman that liked the movie the most and took a liking to the hypersexualized but also super strong depiction of the female barbarians.

Basically no one is even saying that they're wrong for feeling the way they do, just stop assuming that every other woman shares that sentiment.

Dude needs to leave his wife

Edited: Actually, she needs to make a Ree account to state this like Ree demanded users to prove their lovers truly said such things.

[TylenolJones]

Resetera finally turning on James Stephanie Sterling for posting misinformation about Dragon Dogma 2. 

I've been following Steph for over a decade but I think I'm just about done. They have become so agressively anti-AAA that anything they don't like has to have some scummy ulterior motive and that they have to always find something they don't like. The former really applies with their latest video. They can't just not like DD2, it has to be a scam. Also the latter applies to the Dead Space remake that was so well made that the only thing they could do was call it soulless which was total bullshit.

It's like they've forgotten that there are still genuinely passionate developers working on AAA games too. Despite how much they seem to defend these people when it comes to how they're treated, they don't seem to care for their work and dismiss it as artless trash.

It also feels like Steph's getting more and more information just straight up wrong and doesn't seem to care with how much they play up their blissful ignorance.

Sterling spreading misinformation that's getting the devs harassed.

Fuck this asshole. Piece of shit. Now running on Twitter and saying the people corrected her bullshit misinformation are toxic.

Fuck off.

Here's the thing: Sterling hasn't actually changed their content strategy at all. They've always been inflammatory in this way, people were just willing to look past it because the videos were either aimed at the "right" targets or they just agreed with Sterling on the topic in general. Nothing has really changed. People are just seeing that being intentionally inflammatory is a bad thing as a result of actually understanding what the current target is and thus being able to see past the clickbait.

If flat out lying is being inflammatory, then okay.

It's also a masterclass of bullshit that should get community noted.

Random enemy encounters and emergent scenarios is the core design crux of the game especially in regards to travel.

But it's great to see so many insiders and even devs push back on this. Many saying this will most definitely get their GOTY nomination.

It's also pretty telling that a lot of people pushing untrue narratives about DD2 has a lot overlap with the GamerGate crowd. Same set of people going after sweetbaby inc for being too woke.

Stephanie Sterling, look at the company you keep

But, you wanna make your YouTube money by putting out rage bait videos that are not true, deliberately false, that's actively associating with a pro GamerGate community (very similar crowds being shared here) which is also resulting in harassment and bullying to Capcom devs….for fucks sake this girl was getting harassed by some idiot on twitch for playing and enjoying the game because he was peddling the same misinformation that Stephanie is peddling.

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/james-stephanie-sterling-thank-god-for-ot-latest-episode-latest-episode-silent-hill-ascension-is-f-cking-disgusting.279704/page-53?post=120923040#post-120923040

[Taco Bell Tower]

Not liking games you like is a scam?

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Can't wait for James Stephanie Sterling's next losing sub special.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

I'm glad her viewership has taken a nose dive.

Call out MTX for sure. But don't spread misinformation about it.

I know you're upset, but I feel that's going a step too far considering they've talked about how that happened as a direct result of them coming out.

Not true. They were losing subs before they came out. It's all the cringe wrestling shit that most viewers skip through and constant complaining about capitalism.

[Potato]

I've been following Steph Resetera for over almost a decade but I think I'm just about done. They have become so agressively anti-AAA gaming that anything they don't like has to have some scummy ulterior motive and that they have to always find something they don't like. The former really applies with their latest video hate campaign. They can't just not like DD2 Stellar Blade, it has to be a scam sexist and misogynistic.

[kaleidoscopium]

Jim was obnoxious before when he was just a fat Brit, now he’s a fat Brit with even worse hair and makeup.

I'm not playing this game cuz no PS5. But when it comes to PC I'll give it a whirl, maybe. I'm more interested in it as a tinkerer than a player. It desperately needs a ReShade for color correction and piss/brown filter removal. Also super curious about modding potential, from outfits to hair and even face sculpting. (There's something a bit *too* "plastic" about the MC.)

As for justifying it... Mhm. I just don't care? My personal life is much too hectic to make everyone elses issues my own, and I use video games to wind down, not up. Nobody in my RL circle is concerned with this stuff, and tbh, none of my online friends either. So it is what it is and I'm not gonna stress myself worrying over it when I don't have to.

Everyone wants to think *their* issue is the important one that can't be ignored. But everyone has issues and sometimes those prevent people from caring about other issues around them. Mine is personal stuff. I got Ulcerative Colitis since I was 10, barely survived colon cancer in my late 20's. Daily life is sometimes a struggle as is. Like, just existing is hard. I can't be arsed to throw myself in front of other peoples busses.

I also work in translation for weeb shit. I've become largely stone faced to these kind of depictions. 🤷‍♀️

Morrigan said:
Gonna be real, I give massive side-eye to any dude who comes in these threads to say "my wife likes it".

We don't care, dude.

Is this ban bait? 🤔 Only the opinion of a handful of repeat Era posters matter? Like I'm just wondering where the line is drawn between one woman's opinion and another.

Are you upset at the telephone game aspect of it or that a woman might have opinions contrary to you and a few others? You used "We" but I can't imagine you speak for all Woman, that's folly, since this is Era I'm assuming you mean the ~20 or so of you keeping the "Why Woman..." Thread alive?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120949398#post-120949398

Will those reasonable post be actioned next? Find out soon!

[kaleidoscopium]

Oh no, Kyuuji is coming for em 

Seems pretty obvious that Morrigan was speaking to men invoking their wives/girlfriends to counter talking points from other women. She has another post on this page agreeing that people shouldn't need to justify themselves, a handful of replies up from the one you quoted. Feels like you'd need to be being deliberately obtuse to think she was actually speaking for all women in the world.

The random shot at the sexualised design thread is weird as well.

And Morrigan too!?

🙄

I'm obviously referring to the fact that this is a male poster using his wife's opinion to try and counter the women posting in this thread. If that guy's wife feels that strongly, she is welcome to create an account and post herself. And I literally said one shouldn't be baiting and demanding justifications out of others, so kindly keep your accusatory insinuations to yourself

You used "We" but I can't imagine you speak for all Woman, that's folly, since this is Era I'm assuming you mean the ~20 or so of you keeping the "Why Woman..." Thread alive?

LOL okay, I see you now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950151#post-120950151

This guys done for unfortunately

[Taco Bell Tower]

Pour one out for touko 

[kaleidoscopium]

I'm literally drafting a post in another thread about some of this shit and debating on posting it (it's not very tactful). People bring up issues and the pushback is basically boiling down to "some of us just don't care and also we don't want to have you come in here and wave the uncomfortable truth in our faces".

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-339?post=120949827#post-120949827

In the burqa thread, likely in response to Touko

[Puffy Fucking Baby]

Jim Sterling making a rage bait video with some dubious at best claims?

[TylenolJones]

Of course Zeo is being a white knight in that thread to protect the women  

[Potato]

Touko deserves everything he gets for interacting with the zoo exhibits. 

If you're going to get in the monkey's cage, expect to get some shit flung at you.

[Potato]

I'm literally drafting a post in another thread about some of this shit and debating on posting it (it's not very tactful). People bring up issues and the pushback is basically boiling down to "some of us just don't care and also we don't want to have you come in here and wave the uncomfortable truth in our faces".

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-339?post=120949827#post-120949827

In the burqa thread, likely in response to Touko

Is this cross thread drama?

[kaleidoscopium]

Zeo hoping that if he defends the ladies they will let him into the sleepover. Fucking weirdo 

[benji]

Oh no, Kyuuji is coming for em 

Seems pretty obvious that Morrigan was speaking to men invoking their wives/girlfriends to counter talking points from other women. She has another post on this page agreeing that people shouldn't need to justify themselves, a handful of replies up from the one you quoted. Feels like you'd need to be being deliberately obtuse to think she was actually speaking for all women in the world.

The random shot at the sexualised design thread is weird as well.

🙄

I'm obviously referring to the fact that this is a male poster using his wife's opinion to try and counter the women posting in this thread. If that guy's wife feels that strongly, she is welcome to create an account and post herself. And I literally said one shouldn't be baiting and demanding justifications out of others, so kindly keep your accusatory insinuations to yourself

You used "We" but I can't imagine you speak for all Woman, that's folly, since this is Era I'm assuming you mean the ~20 or so of you keeping the "Why Woman..." Thread alive?

LOL okay, I see you now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950151#post-120950151

This is exactly what's bullshit about these people. They tell everybody they can't have an opinion because they aren't a woman, so they ask their nearest woman and then it's dismissed because the woman doesn't give a shit enough to post on their shitty forum. Even though the original offense wasn't "not listening to women" it was "disagreeing with a single woman" the ally is getting attacked for thinking he needs to go to a woman to get their opinion even though what he's responding to was only granted "as a woman" status to try and pre-emptively deflect criticism. He played by their rules and now he's getting burnt for acting in good faith.

It's just constant.

[kaleidoscopium]

To be fair, they would ban a woman who said “as a woman this game doesn’t offend me because I like seeing hot women be badasses too. Also I enjoy watching it with my husband”. So why would anyone dare post that?

[kaleidoscopium]

I wonder why folks from the "why women criticise sexualised designs thread" tend to stick to their own community and not bother venturing out to other threads like this. Hmm, it's almost like when they do they're constantly made to feel unwelcome and have their concerns dismissed/ignored/ridiculed. Truly a mystery.

If men are annoyed that women's (and others') negative opinions of a game are getting in the way of their enjoyment of said game, congrats, you're getting a small taste of the experience many women face daily in this hobby and on this forum.

This is a discussion board, sometimes popular enough games come along like Cyberpunk or Xenoblade 2 that are lightning rods for this stuff. Sure, be excited for the game, buy the game, play the game, but also accept that the (very small) price for enjoying a game with this blatant level of sexualisation/infantilisation of women is that threads about it are gonna continue to be contentious.

"I just don't give as much of a shit about this stuff as you do" should not be an acceptable response to these concerns on a forum that holds itself to the values it claims to.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950874#post-120950874

[HaughtyFrank]

To be fair, they would ban a woman who said “as a woman this game doesn’t offend me because I like seeing hot women be badasses too. Also I enjoy watching it with my husband”. So why would anyone dare post that?

That's literally what happened to KetKat. I mean, fuck KetKat, but them getting permabanned for disagreeing with a man in the Burka thread was some hilarious bullshit

[Nintex]

There's some problematic shit orbiting this game, period. If you don't give a fuck, you do you, I doubt any one on the internet will convince you otherwise.

But the idea that threads about this game should be insulated from a discussion about those problems is crazy to me. If the game can be discussed, it's issues should be able to be as well.

So what exactly is the issue with this game?

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950922#post-120950922
PLASTICA-MAN just casually dropping tweets promoting the game in the middle of that convo is just...

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Jim was obnoxious before when he was just a fat Brit, now he’s a fat Brit with even worse hair and makeup.

Are you upset at the telephone game aspect of it or that a woman might have opinions contrary to you and a few others? You used "We" but I can't imagine you speak for all Woman, that's folly, since this is Era I'm assuming you mean the ~20 or so of you keeping the "Why Woman..." Thread alive?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120949398#post-120949398

Will those reasonable post be actioned next? Find out soon!

False flag post. They added this just to increase the brigading with intention to have Stellar Blade banned. I see your game, TransEra discord.  

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

There's some problematic shit orbiting this game, period. If you don't give a fuck, you do you, I doubt any one on the internet will convince you otherwise.

But the idea that threads about this game should be insulated from a discussion about those problems is crazy to me. If the game can be discussed, it's issues should be able to be as well.

Too be honest it worked for the Palworld thread. Sure there were posters who would go into it with the intention of concern trolling but it was overall fine. They had two threads for and against.

[HaughtyFrank]

I wonder why folks from the "why women criticise sexualised designs thread" tend to stick to their own community and not bother venturing out to other threads like this. Hmm, it's almost like when they do they're constantly made to feel unwelcome and have their concerns dismissed/ignored/ridiculed. Truly a mystery.

If men are annoyed that women's (and others') negative opinions of a game are getting in the way of their enjoyment of said game, congrats, you're getting a small taste of the experience many women face daily in this hobby and on this forum.

This is a discussion board, sometimes popular enough games come along like Cyberpunk or Xenoblade 2 that are lightning rods for this stuff. Sure, be excited for the game, buy the game, play the game, but also accept that the (very small) price for enjoying a game with this blatant level of sexualisation/infantilisation of women is that threads about it are gonna continue to be contentious.

"I just don't give as much of a shit about this stuff as you do" should not be an acceptable response to these concerns on a forum that holds itself to the values it claims to.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950874#post-120950874

This little bitch acting like he's a victim  

Also that dude was way too generous by saying that 20 women keep that thread alive. There's like 3-4 cis women at best in that thread

[Averon]

Sheit, I wasn't trying to light this thread up.

I was truly trying to respectfully (and at least give me that, my post was very polite) argue a point made three posts before mine: "nobody actually cares about what women think."

My point was I do care what women think. If my wife took issue with it, or my daughter, or pretty much anyone close to me then of course I would care they take issue with it, I wouldn't bring it into my house. Lots of people online have plenty valid reasons (just like they have valid reasons for not supporting SB) for not engaging in pornography - it's problemantic af. But most people still consume it. It becomes a much bigger problem when you invite it into your home when it's not welcome.

I wasn't trying to argue that anyone's feelings in this thread are less than valid or somehow less valid than mine. Not at all. I was simply trying to explain that, ultimately, I do care what women think... but ultimately the women I am closest to. I wouldn't go blurt this out or "mansplain" my position in just any random thread or in a safe space for discussion... but at least to me, it felt fair in a SB thread. Sorry if that's out of line; I'll happily drop it.

Groveling now ain't gonna save you now, my guy. Also, let this be a lesson for you. When they say "Listen to women" what they really mean is "Agree with all my points without question."

[Rendle]

Can't beleive that troll in the Stellar Blade thread tried to convince a bunch of resetera feminists that a man is capable of listening to his wife's opinions. In the multitude of couples I have met and got to know in my life I have not seen it happen once.

[Daffy Duck]

I'm glad her viewership has taken a nose dive.

Call out MTX for sure. But don't spread misinformation about it.

I know you're upset, but I feel that's going a step too far considering they've talked about how that happened as a direct result of them coming out.

Not true. They were losing subs before they came out. It's all the cringe wrestling shit that most viewers skip through and constant complaining about capitalism.

Let’s be honest, the most likely reason for the dramatic loss in subs is likely down to the elephant in the room you can’t address without being labelled problematic.

I fell off their content a few years back when I grew tired of the constant rage at every little thing, and I can’t lie seeing the transition into Stephanie was cringe inducing.

[clockwork5]

Just ban the fucking game B-Dubs you spineless blob.

Morrigain and Kyuuji don’t like it and will make your message board a fucking dumpster fire until they get everyone who wants to talk about it banned for their histories.

[Daffy Duck]

Touko deserves everything he gets for interacting with the zoo exhibits. 

If you're going to get in the monkey's cage, expect to get some shit flung at you.

One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was:

“Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience”

That’s Era in a nutshell. And Queen Cunt is on some kind of roll these last few weeks, must be time of the month or something

[Nintex]

As a woman who's largely indifferent to most sexualisation in games, it always kinda grinds my gears when a guy posts something along the lines of "my wife/gf has no issue with this game" whenever there's criticism directed at games such as this. I don't appreciate men pointing to women like myself and going "see? This woman doesn't care! This is the correct opinion for a woman to have because it's the one that most aligns with my own and/or allows me to play my softcore porn games as guilt free as possible".
I don't think that was your intent and this isn't a dig at you personally, but that's just my general view on posts similar to the one you made.

Also while caring most about what the women closest to you think is understandable, it isn't exactly remarkable or particularly feminist imho.