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[kaleidoscopium]

I'm literally drafting a post in another thread about some of this shit and debating on posting it (it's not very tactful). People bring up issues and the pushback is basically boiling down to "some of us just don't care and also we don't want to have you come in here and wave the uncomfortable truth in our faces".

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-339?post=120949827#post-120949827

In the burqa thread, likely in response to Touko

There's some problematic shit orbiting this game, period. If you don't give a fuck, you do you, I doubt any one on the internet will convince you otherwise.

But the idea that threads about this game should be insulated from a discussion about those problems is crazy to me. If the game can be discussed, it's issues should be able to be as well.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950958#post-120950958

[clockwork5]

I just thought of the fact that the same people who say “YouTube is a path to the alt right and its algorithms will eventually lead you down that hole. It is actively creating armies of chuds and incels.”

Also say “You are essentially abusing your child and forever banishing them to a life of social isolation if they don’t have a cellphone and social media access by age 7”

It’s really quite stunning.

[Daffy Duck]

Don't worry. Althought next time your wife has an opinion, come here first to check whether it counts.

It really grinds their gears when someone confronts them that not all women are a monolith and would hate the game like the monolith of women on Era do.

[kaleidoscopium]

Most of the regulars have been driven away from the discussion by 'but my girlfriend' stunts like that constantly getting pulled on gaming side deliberately making the conversation difficult to even have.

Gee I wonder why the conversation is hard, almost because the positions of these online "women" are insane and not reflected in reality?

My point was I do care what women think. If my wife took issue with it, or my daughter, or pretty much anyone close to me then of course I would care they take issue with it, I wouldn't bring it into my house. Lots of people online have plenty valid reasons (just like they have valid reasons for not supporting SB) for not engaging in pornography - it's problemantic af. But most people still consume it. It becomes a much bigger problem when you invite it into your home when it's not welcome. But, in my case, the women I most closely associate with take zero issue with it at all. None.

So you don't care about what women think. You care about what people you know think. If you cared about what women thought then you'd be listening to the women in this thread.

Why should it matter that it's a Stellar Blade thread? Shouldn't women feel welcome to share their opinions in any thread on this site without needing to be told "but the women I know think differently" as a counter argument?

Why should the women of this forum be essentially told that they should stay in a single thread, or as you put it "safe space" and not voice any opinions outside of it?

I'm not bothered by the content of the game, I am bothered by the situation in Korea and with the developer. I just feel like if I boycotted every game with a shitty situation around the developer or publisher I wouldn't be playing very many games.

 

As a woman who's largely indifferent to most sexualisation in games, it always kinda grinds my gears when a guy posts something along the lines of "my wife/gf has no issue with this game" whenever there's criticism directed at games such as this. I don't appreciate men pointing to women like myself and going "see? This woman doesn't care! This is the correct opinion for a woman to have because it's the one that most aligns with my own and/or allows me to play my softcore porn games as guilt free as possible".
I don't think that was your intent and this isn't a dig at you personally, but that's just my general view on posts similar to the one you made.

Also while caring most about what the women closest to you think is understandable, it isn't exactly remarkable or particularly feminist imho.

Doesn't matter what you were trying to do my guy. By saying you know women who are fine with it you are implying every other woman should be quiet and agree with them.

As a man, don't evoke women in your life to dismiss concerns around sexism. Engage with the people in front of you.

  

Okay, you all win. I'm out.

    All this over a game that will prolly score mid 70s on Meta, lol

Well, as long as your wife thinks it's a 10/10 right? Super immature to bow out like this after the gentlest of corrections.

[Daffy Duck]

Most people have been driven away from the thread because there’s zero discussion to be had. You can’t disagree because your banned for dismissing concerns, so what’s the point (same for 99% of other threads there), that’s why you have the same group of harpies constantly propping the thread up with replies until another unsuspecting fool pops in

[Taco Bell Tower]

I wonder why folks from the "why women criticise sexualised designs thread" tend to stick to their own community and not bother venturing out to other threads like this. Hmm, it's almost like when they do they're constantly made to feel unwelcome and have their concerns dismissed/ignored/ridiculed. Truly a mystery.

If men are annoyed that women's (and others') negative opinions of a game are getting in the way of their enjoyment of said game, congrats, you're getting a small taste of the experience many women face daily in this hobby and on this forum.

This is a discussion board, sometimes popular enough games come along like Cyberpunk or Xenoblade 2 that are lightning rods for this stuff. Sure, be excited for the game, buy the game, play the game, but also accept that the (very small) price for enjoying a game with this blatant level of sexualisation/infantilisation of women is that threads about it are gonna continue to be contentious.

"I just don't give as much of a shit about this stuff as you do" should not be an acceptable response to these concerns on a forum that holds itself to the values it claims to.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950874#post-120950874

Like like Mercury Red he tries so hard to be a mod 

[kaleidoscopium]

Do you all think Kyuuji is in their secret mod discord

[Boredfrom]

They barely understand the situation on South Korea with that developer. The sources had been flamme wars at Reddit where either Korea is IncelLand or Feminists kill male babies daily. People at RE are shitting on the developer because they openly  embrace smut and they are getting big enough to go for AAA gaming.

[Averon]

Do you all think Kyuuji is in their secret mod discord

No doubt.

[Daffy Duck]

Do you all think Kyuuji is in their secret mod discord

She’s probably one of the newly minted trans mods tbh using that mod account as a fake account to protect her main

[Averon]

I do care what women think... but ultimately the women I am closest to.

So you don't care about what women think. You care about what people you know think. If you cared about what women thought then you'd be listening to the women in this thread.

Why would he care more about what a bunch of raging idiots online think over his own wife and daughter? And why are the wife and daughter's viewpoints somehow invalid?

[kaleidoscopium]

"sorry honey but the internet said I have to listen to them and that you and our daughter are chuds. I dont make the rules nor do I understand them but I dont want to be cancelled"

[Averon]

Don't worry. Althought next time your wife has an opinion, come here first to check whether it counts.

Who's alt is teed's. Flying pretty close to the sun there.

[benji]

I wonder why folks from the "why women criticise sexualised designs thread" tend to stick to their own community and not bother venturing out to other threads like this. Hmm, it's almost like when they do they're constantly made to feel unwelcome and have their concerns dismissed/ignored/ridiculed. Truly a mystery..

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950874#post-120950874

It's actually fine to dismiss/ignore/ridicule people's concerns.

You're explicitly asking me not to treat women as humans but some kind of fragile glass that will feel "unwelcome" if I don't just accept whatever they say and don't give them the respect of knowing they can think for themselves and reason equally with men.

But go on, keep telling us all how feminism means everyone but a select clique shutting the fuck up forever because it's free.

[benji]

These dudes are the types that think women couldn't vote because men were mean and hated women or something. When they're the exact types that back then made the argument that women shouldn't vote because politics wasn't respectable enough for women to involve themselves in. Why would a woman want to get into debates and conflicts and feel unwelcome when the men gathered to get drunk and argue about who was the bigger British loving fag?

[benji]

Ugh, can you stop being such boys club and uncouth, we need to be making women feel welcome.

Anyway, families are trash and we all need to cut them off, arm up and get in the streets to punch Nazis and TERFs (but I repeat myself) so they don't feel safe fucking around knowing they'll find out. Don't make my explain myself, I shouldn't have to emotionally labor, just do as I say, unless you're saying you need to get punched. Be respectful of others different from me? FUUUUCCKKKK OOOOFFOOOOOOFFFFFFFF

edit: For any ResetERA.com visitors, the joke is that women tend not to be aggressively violent, abandon families, physically stake out territory and try to force themselves on others.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Zeo hoping that if he defends the ladies they will let him into the sleepover. Fucking weirdo 

He has six cats. That's a forever alone, given up altogether, surrogate family, type of number for a single guy.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I do care what women think... but ultimately the women I am closest to.

So you don't care about what women think. You care about what people you know think. If you cared about what women thought then you'd be listening to the women in this thread.

Why would he care more about what a bunch of raging idiots online think over his own wife and daughter? And why are the wife and daughter's viewpoints somehow invalid?

The wife and daughter can speak for themselves, have them make Ree accounts for it.  

[Averon]

Ugh, can you stop being such boys club and uncouth, we need to be making women feel welcome.

Anyway, families are trash and we all need to cut them off, arm up and get in the streets to punch Nazis and TERFs (but I repeat myself) so they don't feel safe fucking around knowing they'll find out. Don't make my explain myself, I shouldn't have to emotionally labor, just do as I say, unless you're saying you need to get punched. Be respectful of others different from me? FUUUUCCKKKK OOOOFFOOOOOOFFFFFFFF

edit: For any ResetERA.com visitors, the joke is that women tend not to be aggressively violent, abandon families, physically stake out territory and try to force themselves on others.

Speaking of TERFs.....

I get what your saying, It feels like some men online have truly have distorted views on women and don't even seem to understand what women actually look like; like I remember seeing people justify the objectification in FF7R with "It's better than porn or sexy fan art" which like... Really? That's out standards now porn actresses (which despite how much these people will claim to care about, will suddenly against those pornstars if they stand up about their treatment and better pay and want them gotten rid of for AI, Porn Actresses deserve more than that) and art made by horny fans?

And I 100% present believe that so much of the backsliding in recent years we've seen is due to to the Terffs movement (Trans exclusionary radical fake feminists because none of them are feminists) given so much of it seems to be based on fearing women look too much "like men", instantly spew into transphobia or hell even the tweet Morrigan alluded to was complaining about women becoming more androgynous. As much as we can blame men for this, it infuriates me knowing their are also women pushing this shit while claiming to be feminists, distorting that word as a veil to hide their hated and bigotry.

Of course, the corporations don't get off the hook either. I does feel like some companies are trying to pull a have your cake and eat it to approach *cough* Capcom *cough* while others like Bandai still won't let women other 30 be playable etc. Edit: And of course sites like YouTube and Twitter pushing these people via their algorithms.

Not a TikTok user so can't speak about that but wait, Margo Robbie isn't considered attractive? How?!

Not a game example but one that has always pissed me off is the way people though shit at Morfydd Clark for Galadriel and people complaining about Galadriel being "too manish" in that show etc. Rings of Powers has issue but she isn't one of them and even from the start they made it clear they knew jack shit about Middle Earth, if they did they'd know Galadriel in the books is 6.4 feet and is very well know to be VERY physical strong and very capable in combat, a fact so well known that her own mother gave her the name Nerwen which meant "Man-Maiden" (Galadriel actually has 4 names, with Galadriel being the one she chose herself, the other two being Artanis (Noble Woman) by her farther and Alatáriel by her husband). Galadriel took down an entire fortress by herself, literally causing it too collapsed! This is the woman who backsassed the Valar when they told her she was banned for the Undying Lands, Galadriel is amazing.

Sorry for the tangent there, just love Galadriel.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

People care more about what their wife and other women in their life think than an internet rando?

[benji]

I get what your saying, It feels like some men online have truly have distorted views on women and don't even seem to understand what women actually look like; like I remember seeing people justify the objectification in FF7R with "It's better than porn or sexy fan art" which like... Really? That's out standards now porn actresses (which despite how much these people will claim to care about, will suddenly against those pornstars if they stand up about their treatment and better pay and want them gotten rid of for AI, Porn Actresses deserve more than that) and art made by horny fans?

And I 100% present believe that so much of the backsliding in recent years we've seen is due to to the Terffs movement (Trans exclusionary radical fake feminists because none of them are feminists) given so much of it seems to be based on fearing women look too much "like men", instantly spew into transphobia or hell even the tweet Morrigan alluded to was complaining about women becoming more androgynous. As much as we can blame men for this, it infuriates me knowing their are also women pushing this shit while claiming to be feminists, distorting that word as a veil to hide their hated and bigotry.

"Women are different from men. Women should have exclusive private spaces they can exclude men from. Male socialization is a real thing."
"Wow, fake feminist much.  "

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

(which despite how much these people will claim to care about, will suddenly against those pornstars if they stand up about their treatment and better pay and want them gotten rid of for AI, Porn Actresses deserve more than that)

[kaleidoscopium]

Touko got a temp/perma ban lmao
https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120949398#post-120949398

User Banned (duration to be determined after review): Trolling & antagonising community

[benji]

If TERFFs weren't so damn powerful nobody would want to see Tifa's big breasts. We've backslid so much thanks to Joanne. 

[Potato]

Oh no, Kyuuji is coming for em 

Seems pretty obvious that Morrigan was speaking to men invoking their wives/girlfriends to counter talking points from other women. She has another post on this page agreeing that people shouldn't need to justify themselves, a handful of replies up from the one you quoted. Feels like you'd need to be being deliberately obtuse to think she was actually speaking for all women in the world.

The random shot at the sexualised design thread is weird as well.

🙄

I'm obviously referring to the fact that this is a male poster using his wife's opinion to try and counter the women posting in this thread. If that guy's wife feels that strongly, she is welcome to create an account and post herself. And I literally said one shouldn't be baiting and demanding justifications out of others, so kindly keep your accusatory insinuations to yourself


LOL okay, I see you now

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950151#post-120950151

This is exactly what's bullshit about these people. They tell everybody they can't have an opinion because they aren't a woman, so they ask their nearest woman and then it's dismissed because the woman doesn't give a shit enough to post on their shitty forum. Even though the original offense wasn't "not listening to women" it was "disagreeing with a single woman" the ally is getting attacked for thinking he needs to go to a woman to get their opinion even though what he's responding to was only granted "as a woman" status to try and pre-emptively deflect criticism. He played by their rules and now he's getting burnt for acting in good faith.

It's just constant.

How do they know she wasn't a member that was driven off in droves?

[Echelon]

They've killed like 12 accounts this week. Between this and the PoliEra Genocide of 15 Genocide Steps, that's like 25 users no longer generating ad revenue all day.

[Potato]

To be fair, they would ban a woman who said “as a woman this game doesn’t offend me because I like seeing hot women be badasses too. Also I enjoy watching it with my husband”. So why would anyone dare post that?

If she has a husband, then she's obviously one of "the bad ones".

[LegendOfSwagda]

Touko was someone’s alt for sure

Why would you even mention that thread lol

Obvious as fuck

[Potato]

I wonder why folks from the "why women criticise sexualised designs thread" tend to stick to their own community and not bother venturing out to other threads like this. Hmm, it's almost like when they do they're constantly made to feel unwelcome and have their concerns dismissed/ignored/ridiculed. Truly a mystery.

If men are annoyed that women's (and others') negative opinions of a game are getting in the way of their enjoyment of said game, congrats, you're getting a small taste of the experience many women face daily in this hobby and on this forum.

This is a discussion board, sometimes popular enough games come along like Cyberpunk or Xenoblade 2 that are lightning rods for this stuff. Sure, be excited for the game, buy the game, play the game, but also accept that the (very small) price for enjoying a game with this blatant level of sexualisation/infantilisation of women is that threads about it are gonna continue to be contentious.

"I just don't give as much of a shit about this stuff as you do" should not be an acceptable response to these concerns on a forum that holds itself to the values it claims to.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-demo-releasing-march-29th-2024-progress-carries-over-to-main-game.830646/page-6?post=120950874#post-120950874

LIES!!!

Show me any evidence that there are MANY WOMEN on Reeeeeeeeeseteradotcom!

[HaughtyFrank]

Most of the regulars have been driven away from the discussion by 'but my girlfriend' stunts like that constantly getting pulled on gaming side deliberately making the conversation difficult to even have.

"People were making the discussion difficult to have by referring to women they actually know in real life."
Do these people even listen to themselves?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

More blood for Kyuuji. The month isn't over yet.