Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[jooseloose]

I'm so tired.

[kaleidoscopium]

Bayonetta definitely deserved discussion over its contents at the time. However Bayonetta was designed by Mari Shimazaki a woman, and Hideki Kamiya while problematic in his own ways maintains a decent relationship with his female colleagues and collaborators such as Ikumi Nakamura.

A lot of discussion on these subjects is nuanced. Knowing what I know about Stellar Blade and its development makes the discourse, and conversation a very different one

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-18?post=122123796#post-122123796

Care to share what well sourced information you have on the development of stellar blade that makes it very different from Bayonetta? 

[kaleidoscopium]

Have to vent a little, sorry. I think that the evolution of the discussion on SB adds to what bothered me so much about the "what women criticize…" OT title option. This thread is the only place to discuss issues with the game (or other examples of sexism and misogyny) without the conversation being derailed or buried, sometimes intentionally. This thread and its stricter posting rules exists for a reason SB threads alone justify, but we still have to allow them to trample on it in a thread that will celebrate more of the bs we needed to have a space to criticize freely. It's not right.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-375?post=122126067#post-122126067

Operation Democracy will be causing this rift In their forum to widen forever

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reddit-is-currently-down-for-me-it-made-me-realise-just-how-much-i-rely-on-it.853716/

And I don't mean for posting, which I rarely do. Simply for searching for relevant information. With how cluttered the internet has gotten with SEO exploiting sites that copy paste info, Reddit is one of the few ways to quickly source information. Many internet searches I make I add "reddit".

“Why is my brain fried? I don’t understand why I’m such an idiot. Pls tell me how to live my life Reddit.”

[benji]

Have to vent a little, sorry. I think that the evolution of the discussion on SB adds to what bothered me so much about the "what women criticize…" OT title option. This thread is the only place to discuss issues with the game (or other examples of sexism and misogyny) without the conversation being derailed or buried, sometimes intentionally. This thread and its stricter posting rules exists for a reason SB threads alone justify, but we still have to allow them to trample on it in a thread that will celebrate more of the bs we needed to have a space to criticize freely. It's not right.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-375?post=122126067#post-122126067

"A space to criticize freely" aka a thread where no one is allowed to criticize me freely and deny my claims, premises or conclusions no matter how absurd unless they're already part of the protected caste and thus exempt from facing persecution until they fall out of favor.

[Boredfrom]

Have to vent a little, sorry. I think that the evolution of the discussion on SB adds to what bothered me so much about the "what women criticize…" OT title option. This thread is the only place to discuss issues with the game (or other examples of sexism and misogyny) without the conversation being derailed or buried, sometimes intentionally. This thread and its stricter posting rules exists for a reason SB threads alone justify, but we still have to allow them to trample on it in a thread that will celebrate more of the bs we needed to have a space to criticize freely. It's not right.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-375?post=122126067#post-122126067

Operation Democracy will be causing this rift In their forum to widen forever

Fuckers already shitted the review thread, and they want more?

[HaughtyFrank]

Have to vent a little, sorry. I think that the evolution of the discussion on SB adds to what bothered me so much about the "what women criticize…" OT title option. This thread is the only place to discuss issues with the game (or other examples of sexism and misogyny) without the conversation being derailed or buried, sometimes intentionally. This thread and its stricter posting rules exists for a reason SB threads alone justify, but we still have to allow them to trample on it in a thread that will celebrate more of the bs we needed to have a space to criticize freely. It's not right.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-375?post=122126067#post-122126067

Operation Democracy will be causing this rift In their forum to widen forever

Fuckers already shitted the review thread, and they want more?

I always said that the real problem with Resetera is that they (sometimes) talk about games

[nachobro]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/post-122127108

i too got immensely disappointed when i learned that not everyone in the world agreed with my opinions on everything. however i learned this lesson as a child and then was able to suck it up and deal with it for the rest of my life.

[kaleidoscopium]

Ah my mistake fellow cataloguers, THIS is the first step that got planetsmasher so riled up 

Disgusting that that piece of shit is selling well. So disappointed in reality as a whole right now.

Good games tends to sell well, shocking right?

There are dozens of other melee action games that have as good or better combat than that rancid pile of trash, without contributing to a culture of institutionalized sexism and misogyny. The game is absolutely embarrassing on every conceivable level.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot40-helldivers-ff7-help-im-suffering-from-foam-o.813078/page-394?post=122113284#post-122113284

And then people proceeded to post around him, either due to ignoring him via forum tools or just ignoring his weird posts actively. And then someone said they are thankful for the ignore tools

[benji]

It's nuts to me how these dudes who have probably never even heard of Marcuse let alone read him are so perfectly aligned with his "radical" views.

Marcuse argued that until you could do literally anything you wanted, including changing all of society to your wishes, you were oppressed and violence was an acceptable "resistance" to this oppression. He also argued that anything less than this was oppression, so for example he opposed universal education because it didn't end oppression and thus was perpetuating fascism. As you're probably so very tired of me bringing up, in Repressive Tolerance he argued that even allowing views other than this was oppression and so violence against those who may push any other views was justified. His entire argument was based around the premise that allowing other views, especially ones that argued for their being true despite being oppressive for not being completely permissive, was itself oppressive because it didn't allow anyone to think whatever they wanted. Hence, his conclusion that unending violence by the Left (since the "real" Left would only agree with Marcuse) was justified until all oppression, such as other people having different views, ended permanently.

Somehow a bunch of weird incels globally adopted this as their "progressive" views half a century later. Marcuse even similarly claimed that his anti-oppression position was ordained by "the right side of" History. Since it's just the natural forces of History it's not at all immoral to pave over those who wish to hold us back and keep us oppressed, they fucked around now they can find out. Although I'm just so tired from the constant oppression so it'd be great if you could just do this ONE SIMPLE THING for me and establish Basic Human Decency™.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/garrys-mod-is-removing-20-years-worth-of-nintendo-related-workshop-items-due-to-takedown-requests.853023/page-4

So it was Nintendo after all.  

The nintendrone mod didn’t even bother on Updating the thread title.

[kaleidoscopium]

My first time posting here but thank you for instilling some positive intent. I really appreciate this.

You are in the SB thread going on and on about how other people just have different sets of values and morals. How some people just "don't have the energy". Give me a break.

You just said "No one wants to listen to someone coming at them with a negative attitude. That goes for anything in life. It just sounds like people are bringing some baggage of their previous interaction to a new interaction."

Go defend the misogyny in the SB thread all you want, are you even aware of what the point of this thread is?

It’s to circle jerk without any pushback mister 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-375?post=122127420#post-122127420

[TylenolJones]

And now he’s getting clowned on in a thread about Sonys digital ownership problems. 

OK. Whoever's fault it is, it's lame. I am way too tired today to argue with people about specifics.

Like I said, if they fix it, cool. I hope it is fixed. I own a physical copy of FO4, so it's less of an issue for me either way. I just don't like the idea that certain customers could be "allowed" to have the update and some aren't. Especially if, for example, they decide to let Game Pass customers have the update for free but not PS+ customers. That's stupid segmentation.

So hopefully it's a bug and can just be fixed and we can all move on and not worry about it.

I made one post and then fifteen people jumped on me to "well, actually" me. I already told y'all I don't want to argue about it. I hope it's fixed. Can we stop?

 

Throwing a fit about something that doesn’t affect him and upset that people are calling him out for being wrong. 

Can someone please get this dude a bed. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-those-who-have-fallout-4-via-playstation-plus-do-not-appear-to-be-able-to-download-the-next-gen-update-for-free.853593/page-2?post=122125170#post-122125170

[JoeBoy101]

You're right. I usually try not to truthfully, but seeing someone edge Planetsmasher on, I just had to throw my two cents in there for that. Most other cases, I've been ignoring others trying to gall me into bad-faith arguments. There's been a lot of moments in that thread where I've rolled my eyes and bit my tongue because it's not worth it as you've said and it's clearly a case with somewhere no matter what you say it's just going to fall on deaf ears because they don't want to see anything past their own beliefs.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-374?post=122124975#post-122124975



Planetsmasher came in there yelling at people excited about the game, how is that edging someone on

Isn’t the term ‘egging’ someone on.

[kaleidoscopium]

I was wondering that too, edging is a sex term so if their phone autocorrected to that it means they are edging people often enough to be in the phone dictionary… 

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/garrys-mod-is-removing-20-years-worth-of-nintendo-related-workshop-items-due-to-takedown-requests.853023/page-4

So it was Nintendo after all.  

The nintendrone mod didn’t even bother on Updating the thread title.

Nintendo going full Disney and I hate it.
Even if it is a troll, they would totally do that anyway.

What kind of thought process is this? Gary's Mod is like 20 fucking years old and they haven't done anything about it for this long. A troll does it and suddenly Nintendo was going to "totally do that anyway" ??

This forum has become unbearable when it comes to Nintendo stuff at this point.

I think a lot of Nintendo fans departed Era for FamiBoards a while back so I'd guess that's why the userbase here seems more hostile to Nintendo as a brand now than compared to the past.

LEAVE NINTY ALONE

[Steven Snell]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/post-122127108

i too got immensely disappointed when i learned that not everyone in the world agreed with my opinions on everything. however i learned this lesson as a child and then was able to suck it up and deal with it for the rest of my life.

Cenuaru is 27 according to Twitter. Morrigan is in her 40s. I think it's too late for them.

[benji]

I don't get all the posts in that thread that are like "why would Nintendo do this now? Garry's Mod has been around forever!"

They obviously just got back from holiday break.

[Boredfrom]

Why is someone automatically considered to be part of some defense force when they speculate that the takedown request might be fake, especially given that takedown trolling is a thing?

Is not.

It is only when you get preachy and self victimized about it. And if proven wrong you say “it’s their right anyway” or “this would have happened with other Nintendo’s management”.

Nintendo was always like this, 20 years from now we will have the same arguments of why nintendo isnt like other companies.

Nintendo does things their own way in the videogame space since their creation.

is funny that people mention nintendo past presidents as they would not take the same actions as the new ones, considering one of the most important things to nintendo are ther IPs, what is more funny is that people also thing that nintendo isnt aware of modding of gmod.

Why wait 20 years for it? Is either incompetence or something made them move their hand.

But no… Nintendo is quirky and perfect.

[kaleidoscopium]

Bay's style is definitely that lowest common denominator, and perhaps I'm misrepresenting the arguments I've seen because I hate his style so much. Like, I don't begrudge people for wanting braindead movies. I saw Godzilla x Kong twice. But I personally can't get over the blatantly exploitative elements in the way he portrays Black people and women...and honestly minors because why the fuck is there grooming apologia in one of the later films?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-forgot-how-bad-the-bayformers-are-then-i-got-to-part-2-and-all-the-racism.853668/?post=122129241#post-122129241

Not anymore, because I think people finally figured out blockbusters can be good.

But the Bayformers fanbase was rabid back in their heyday. "Your standards are too high!" "Not everything can be Citizen Kane!" "They're just fun movies!" "They make a billion dollars so who cares what you think?" Like, I literally got into arguments with my friend group about not wanting to go see the third and fourth films. Fanboys, as usual, were defensive of their mindless drivel just because they couldn't separate their enjoyment of inane drivel with the actual quality of the product and took the criticism personally.

Direct quotes from the marvels threads…

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-372?post=122113998#post-122113998

The ridiculous nerd fervor centered around Stellar Blade is really wearing me down. I've had an extremely rough month (work bullshit mostly), and watching people all around the internet, including games journalists who should know better, dance around and celebrate the success of that game is burning my candle down to the absolute bottom of the metaphor that I'm too tired to complete.

Just awful. I thought the industry was learning and growing, but apparently all you have to do is pretend a genre isn't being served (seriously, how many melee action games have come out in the past year? like at least a dozen, if not more) and stick a Sony logo on the box and people will line up to gleefully excuse anything, even lining up hand in hand with fucking GamerGate to do so.

I'm so fucking exhausted, folks.

What a damn drama queen. If one game is enough to completely reverse all social/political gains you feel your side gained over the years, then those supposed "gains" wasn't much to being with. Look how weak and fragile they feel their positions are that they feel the mere existence of Stellar Blade is enough to upend everything for them.

This guy really needs someone in his real life to tell him to pull himself up and not be so fucking pathetic that he lets peoples thoughts and enjoyment of a game get him down, like dude seriously go and get a personality for fuck sake

[Boredfrom]

At the risk of this being thread whining, can we stop reposting player count dooming from rags like Windowscentral? Game is meh, it majorly underperformed, WB has already said as much. I don't see what this adds.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/windowscentral-rocksteadys-suicide-squad-kill-the-justice-league-sinks-to-an-all-time-low-player-base-on-steam-118-concurrent-players.853884/#post-122129394

“The point is that I get to feel better about my choice of media consumption. Is my victory lap over Warner/DC/Zaslav and looter shooters. I genuinely don’t give a fuck about Rocksteady or the initial fans of the game, I just want to dogpille others because they like a mass media rival or game genre.”

[Greatness Gone]

the amount of trans identifying/non-binary people in the stellar blade ot is hilarious. I guess kyuuji liking it gives them a free pass to quit virtue signaling and just play the game.

[kaleidoscopium]

Just imagine the thread if they were allowed to gush about Hogwarts legacy’s openly trans character and the ultra progressive character creator

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/five-years-ago-today-the-avengers-assembled-to-defeat-thanos.853767/

“Pls comeback, daddy Marvel. I miss you. I’m tired of using the Blue Beetle avatar as a shield.”

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-york-times-chairman-pushes-for-constant-negative-coverage-of-biden-his-age-because-he-never-granted-them-an-interview.853944/

This shit is wild but not surprising in the least.

Wasn’t the NYT a CHUD publication BECAUSE they supported Biden and the genocide?

[Eric Cartman]

The ridiculous nerd fervor centered around Stellar Blade is really wearing me down. I've had an extremely rough month (work bullshit mostly), and watching people all around the internet, including games journalists who should know better, dance around and celebrate the success of that game is burning my candle down to the absolute bottom of the metaphor that I'm too tired to complete.

Just awful. I thought the industry was learning and growing, but apparently all you have to do is pretend a genre isn't being served (seriously, how many melee action games have come out in the past year? like at least a dozen, if not more) and stick a Sony logo on the box and people will line up to gleefully excuse anything, even lining up hand in hand with fucking GamerGate to do so.

I'm so fucking exhausted, folks.

Poor baby gets grumpy without his regular 4 hours youtube a day :(

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/five-years-ago-today-the-avengers-assembled-to-defeat-thanos.853767/

FACT CHECK: Avengers Endgame takes place in 2023.

[Eric Cartman]

Not anymore, because I think people finally figured out blockbusters can be good.

But the Bayformers fanbase was rabid back in their heyday. "Your standards are too high!" "Not everything can be Citizen Kane!" "They're just fun movies!" "They make a billion dollars so who cares what you think?" Like, I literally got into arguments with my friend group about not wanting to go see the third and fourth films. Fanboys, as usual, were defensive of their mindless drivel just because they couldn't separate their enjoyment of inane drivel with the actual quality of the product and took the criticism personally.

Its no NEED FOR SPEED: HEAT, amirite?

[kaleidoscopium]

Nowhere in any of my posts in that thread defended misogyny. Just because you're unhappy with how things are doesn't give you the right to lash out at me. If you have a problem with me posting something that will help reset the positive energy so a more productive discussion can happen then fine. But don't say that I am defending misogyny. You're just be overly hostile and aggression for no reason to a person that didn't do anything to you or interact with you prior.

EDIT: When things are getting heated to the point that a few of the posters have to have a banner to not take everything with a negative tone, there's a reason for it. Instead of labeling my actions as one that supports misogyny, I think it'd be much more beneficial to look at your own actions and see how your first interaction with a person is one filled with hostility and how that might be replicated in many of your other actions. I get that people are sick of saying stuff against a wall of people that refuse to listen. But don't misconstrue another person's actions and label it shit like "defending misogyny."

Your type of posts are either embarrassingly ignorant at best or are done as a bad faith actor as worst. Either way you're on my ignore list. Its posts like yours that perpetuate the exact type of issues we have as a society, wether in person or online, by pretending to want to keep the peace while handwaving the very issues that serve to promote these issues in the first place.

This thread continues but will this abuse of the ignore function and meta commentary also result in a ban? 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-375?post=122129676#post-122129676

Bonus:

Imagine tone policing women in THIS THREAD of all places you cannot make this shit up lmfao