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Students were shot with live ammunition? 

Maybe she's suggesting that is the best way to deal with them?

[benji]

Do they think that the Israel/Palestine conflict is going to get resolved for real this time?

WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

B-dubs is losing his community. 

[benji]

I honestly have no idea what they think those photo comparisons should mean, especially about "the right side of history." I really have no idea what they think the process would be from "a bunch of students make camps at elite universities" to "Israel goes back where it came from."

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

It's about the message. Gosh.

It's all so tiring. Why can't jews just, I don't know, go back to where they came from? Give Palestine back to the Palestinians. 

[Potato]

Do they think that the Israel/Palestine conflict is going to get resolved for real this time?

If the Jews keep killing the Palestinians at the same rate we might...

[benji]

I don't know, part of me just thinks people willing to commit genocide aren't going to listen to my complaints.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I don't understand what is going on in this thread. Why is there so much Biden hate? Biden doesn't control local responses and his statement seems fine to me. What am I missing? He is not ordering the police responses and his words would condemn a violent response to a non-violent protest.

He is doing everything in his power to support Israel in committing genocide against the Palestinian people. He is supporting the violent assault against protestors who he deems as "violent protesters" because of vandalism, who he has spent all week using his comms team to call anti-semites. We have seen over and over again Pro-Palestine and Anti-Occupation activists be arrested and assaulted without any kind of violence at all. We just saw the Demcoratic Mayor of NYC and the NYPD sic mobs of police using all their toys on protestors using the exact same tactics Vietnam War and South African protestors against Apartheid used. The same thing has been happening in Austin and in LA. How is he not getting blamed for this issue?

Biden's camp clearly wants to justify the brutal actions of the cops and the anti-free speech/assembly laws going through congress at the moment. It's baffling that anyone looking at this issue could draw a different conclusion from Joe Biden's actions.

Soo.. vandalism isn't violent? Guess Era should've been fine with Jan 6 too. 

Sounds like protestors could've worked with their school and kept things truly peaceful if they hadn't blocked off other students and disrupted campus life, but that wouldn't have given them publicity.

[benji]

Soo.. vandalism isn't violent? Guess Era should've been fine with Jan 6 too. 

Sounds like protestors could've worked with their school and kept things truly peaceful if they hadn't blocked off other students and disrupted campus life.

Excuse you, IT WAS ALREADY THE LAST DAMN TIME:

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I always thought the purpose of a protest was to have the powers at be persecute you so you could show your solidarity with the oppressed by being arrested and having your future marked by it. Why cry when they give your cause justification to continue? Better than being ignored.

[benji]

CELEBRATING NEURODIVERSITY: AUTISM REPRESENTATION IN THE DIVISION 2.

April marks Autism Awareness Month, and to raise awareness this article will explore characters like Birdie and Claire. While these characters by no means represent the full spectrum of autism, each provides their own unique piece of autism representation.

Birdie is a newer character in The Division 2, introduced in Year 5: Season 2 - Puppeteers. Initially needing rescue during The Recruiter manhunt, Birdie reveals herself to be a technical genius in need of a challenge.

"Birdie is our savant Stanford engineering genius who went to college when she was 12," says Lauren Stone, narrative director for The Division 2. "She has dedicated her life to creating alternative power solutions, and she's built this industry called ODEA Tech with her 'brother,' Vikram Malik."

...

Birdie is self-diagnosed with autism; as Stone describes her backstory, she was too old to have received a proper diagnosis, having attended Stanford before Asperger's was a diagnosis, and seen as "one of those weird kids who's super smart."

"When you meet an autistic person, you've met an autistic person. You have not met autism," says Stone. "Birdie is a singular representation. I fully expect Claire is also on the spectrum, but she presents as more neurotypical."

...

"The two autistic kids were like, 'yeah, no, we can work together. It'll be fine; other people are offended, but we're not,'" Stone laughs. "I think that's where, even though we haven't said Claire's autistic, I fully expect her to be somewhere on the spectrum. I think it's representative of a very common experience where the neurotypical people can work with each other, and Birdie and Claire love working together because they're both 'neurospicy.' They understand how to challenge each other and help each other grow, and see the benefit of supporting each other. And then we just have these two brilliant women making everything possible."

REPRESENTATION MATTERS

According to Stone, including diverse perspectives in games helps flesh out the story and experience in new ways. In The Division 2, the playable character has no voice; the player is the Agent, and they decide how they feel about the world. However, including a diverse cast of characters - including neurodivergent ones like Birdie - allows the developers to show different viewpoints about the world and how the world responds to them.

"That in and of itself opens the door to make it so that it's easier to tell different parts of the same story, and different perspectives on the same story, because everybody sees a singular event through their own personal lens," says Stone.

As we discuss neurodiverse representation in games, it's crucial that it comes from a place of authenticity. It's about focusing on the character as a person first rather than a diagnosis, enhancing the authenticity of the narrative and allowing all players to find characters with whom they can identify and from whom they can learn.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

I still don't get the hate for Biden. I watched the speech, read the bill and did more research into Biden's comments. Biden signed a memo on 2/8 that has asked Blinken to report back by 5/8 to ensure that international law is being followed. I expect that Biden will halt support for additional funding if that report says that Israel has violated laws.

To be clear I think some of the response to protests has been unjust in many cases and the rule of law works both ways. There should be police accountability for actions. There should also be accountability for school administrations. There are likely people that should and will go to jail. There are administrators that will lose their jobs. That isn't on Biden though. There has clearly been vandalism, violence and anti-Semitism at protests. He called out both sides and said anti-Islamic or Palestinian violence should not be tolerated. There is a huge difference between saying there are "very fine people" on both sides and what Biden is saying.

I expect the 5/8 report to confirm that laws have been broken but fall well short of confirming genocide. I have seen no reason to believe Biden would approve funding for Israel after that. I think it is important to go through the formal process and have clearly documented violations along with clarity on the line between a defensive war response and genocide.

Say your goodbyes. bros about to be banned for genocide denial.

[benji]

I'm so tired.

[PogiJones]

She literally posted this on this forum: https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/post-122388636

Bringing up (checks notes) war crimes in order to win an argument about (checks notes) video games. OK then

    

This comment confuses me.
It is understandable that a Korean may not want to be judged based off a Japanese game. The hate is still real and raw despite the exchange of pop culture being on the uptick.

Comparing Stellar Blade to Nier has been done countlessly everywhere including on Era (hell, everyone wanted that Rear Automata OT title, remember?), including by the dev himself who is buddy with Yoko Taro. So no, I don't think it's appropriate to invoke sexual war crimes largely committed against women in order to defend a titty action game inspired by various other titty action games. I hope this clears up your confusion.

are you Korean? or Asian at all to give you this kind of authority to speak on how i should feel? do you have family thats tried to create art and express themselves only for everything they do be compared to something produced in Japan's economy? tell me your historic in this topic.

edit: there is a direct loud example of racism against Koreans posted in this thread and you're really lecturing me on how i should feel? this is just very sadly dismissive and deeply incurious about other cultural perspectives.

also no i wasn't just talking about sexual war crimes. Japan tried to colonize Korea, destroy our language and culture. forgive me for expressing some cultural pride in seeing our language thrive on a global (Japan distributed no less) platform.

I didn't say anything about how anyone should feel concerning Korean representation at all nor am I purporting to speak with any kind of "authority". But you really don't see how invoking incredibly serious and deeply violent crimes against women when discussing a sexist video game is an uncomfortable escalation of rhetoric? As a woman this is what I take issue with.

"as a woman" ok and as a Korean i take issue with being lectured about my blood. and please see my latest edit.

MORRIGAN BTFO

Both are making terrible identity arguments, but it's super fun seeing Gene turn their "logic" against them. 

[Boredfrom]

Birdie is self-diagnosed with autism; as Stone describes her backstory, she was too old to have received a proper diagnosis, having attended Stanford before Asperger's was a diagnosis, and seen as "one of those weird kids who's super smart."

Holy shit, what the fuck.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-22?post=122432142#post-122432142

thanks for explaining your ignorance, profound arrogance in speaking against another culture you know nothing about. really broke out the "i have a korean friend" trope too.

The most important part was "best friend", I've had several Korean friends (big community in my area) but the one person that I spent the vast majority of the social time in my life with is someone who was actually born in Korea, can read/write Hangul, and keeps up with all the minutiae of Korean politics, media, and how their social attitudes are evolving.

That definitely doesn't make me an expert on Korean (or any) culture but I'm certainly past that point where someone finds a culture so exotic that they need to consult with high-level authorities that are a hundred layers abstracted from the actual creatives.

I'll admit it's as Korean as anything else made in Korea but it's still just a big-budget, low-brow fanservice game. I don't think it's going to get anyone interested in the Korean perspective on art and social commentary.

But are you korean, brawndolicious? 

[Boredfrom]

She literally posted this on this forum: https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/post-122388636

Bringing up (checks notes) war crimes in order to win an argument about (checks notes) video games. OK then

    

Comparing Stellar Blade to Nier has been done countlessly everywhere including on Era (hell, everyone wanted that Rear Automata OT title, remember?), including by the dev himself who is buddy with Yoko Taro. So no, I don't think it's appropriate to invoke sexual war crimes largely committed against women in order to defend a titty action game inspired by various other titty action games. I hope this clears up your confusion.

are you Korean? or Asian at all to give you this kind of authority to speak on how i should feel? do you have family thats tried to create art and express themselves only for everything they do be compared to something produced in Japan's economy? tell me your historic in this topic.

edit: there is a direct loud example of racism against Koreans posted in this thread and you're really lecturing me on how i should feel? this is just very sadly dismissive and deeply incurious about other cultural perspectives.

also no i wasn't just talking about sexual war crimes. Japan tried to colonize Korea, destroy our language and culture. forgive me for expressing some cultural pride in seeing our language thrive on a global (Japan distributed no less) platform.

I didn't say anything about how anyone should feel concerning Korean representation at all nor am I purporting to speak with any kind of "authority". But you really don't see how invoking incredibly serious and deeply violent crimes against women when discussing a sexist video game is an uncomfortable escalation of rhetoric? As a woman this is what I take issue with.

"as a woman" ok and as a Korean i take issue with being lectured about my blood. and please see my latest edit.

MORRIGAN BTFO

Both are making terrible identity arguments, but it's super fun seeing Gene turn their "logic" against them. 

Yeah, but I feel that at least Gene Park is more articulate and knowledgeable than anyone from the Burka thread.

[Potato]

Anyway, time to distract away from the Anti-semitism and korean stupidity with some good ol' fashioned fanboyism from the Nintendies over at Install Base

https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/media-create-sales-week-16-2024-apr-15-apr-21-read-staff-communication.2610/page-8#post-248768

And everyone thinks its so horrible whenever Nintendo ever gets a third party exclusive game while they don't care at all that the majority of third party games skips Nintendo all the time. If you hate third party exclusives so much why don't you care that Sony takes massive amount of third party games from Nintendo every year for instance?

For some people it just seems like a given that third party games should only care about PS, Xbox and PC and release nothing on Nintendo. And if Nintendo ever gets a third party exclusive its treated like the biggest scandal in gaming ever. Nintendo is more than big enough of an ecosystem to get third party exclusives, just like their rivals have in much bigger numbers.

Gloriously well said. I've been part of the sales groups for close to 20 years. I've witnessed and read the biases from 3rd-parties for even longer. It's very real and I'm sick and tired of folks pretending it doesn't exist and I'm even MORE sick and tired of the sheer hypocrisy of it all.

Nintendo and Nintendo fans really do get treated like second class citizens. So tired.

It's not about "taking them away from me", it's about fairness. Why do Nintendo platforms have to leap over tall buildings in a single bound to get proper support, if that, if Sony and others get the top tier support without even asking? THAT'S the problem.

Can't be tech reasons when even today so called impossible ports keep happening and even ports of pre-gen games skip Switch (looking at you Tri-Ace with Resonance of Fate, etc.).

Nothing has to be "fair" towards anyone. Nintendo platforms have been severely underpowered for 20 years compared to the rest of the industry. It's not a problem, Nintendo has positioned themselves away from what others are doing and it is currently working wonders for them, the lower support is a natural consequence of their choices
Edit: you can make the same considerations looking at macos and windows: windows is the standard gaming platform and macos support is very scarce, even though macs could run most Steam games. This is due to deliberate choices from Apple: not supporting Vulkan and an aggressive stance against legacy software. Games not releasing on macos is not "unfair", it's a direct consequence of this. "Apple got Resident Evil after asking, why didn't Valve have to ask?" would be a very weird question to ask, even though it could be perceived as "unfair", whatever that means, towards mac users.

No one says its totally unfair. What is funny is that Nintendo gets next to none of the big games and still gamers cry if a low budget HD2D game is exclusive to Nintendo. I mean can't Nintendo even get scraps like that? All those gamers can be assured that nothing big is being worked for release on a Nintendo platform except the games Nintendo themselves make, and that will never change.

And Square Enix has even went out of their way to state that they are now done with A/AA games, meaning they won't make any games for Nintendo in the future anyway.

I'm not going to quote the rest, but go and read it if you want a good laugh at how clueless a bunch of retards on a "video game sales" forum can be about...pretty much anything to do with running a business.

Ultimately it led to the following MOD post.

Given the current situation of the Japanese market, it's understandable to discuss about third party support on Switch; however, regardless of your stance on the matter, being passionate on the topic doesn't give you free permission to post conspiracy theories and victim complexes. It's time to drop all of that and to move on.

Be aware that this is a definitive warning: further similar episodes in this thread right after this post will force the moderation team to sanction the involved users

The true autists already left Resetera. That's why the trans lesbians have taken over.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

"Nintendo and Nintendo fans really do get treated like second class citizens. So tired."

Nintex would know. 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Both are making terrible identity arguments, but it's super fun seeing Gene turn their "logic" against them. 

The new Judo Gene.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stellar-blade-review-thread.852417/page-22?post=122432142#post-122432142

thanks for explaining your ignorance, profound arrogance in speaking against another culture you know nothing about. really broke out the "i have a korean friend" trope too.

The most important part was "best friend", I've had several Korean friends (big community in my area) but the one person that I spent the vast majority of the social time in my life with is someone who was actually born in Korea, can read/write Hangul, and keeps up with all the minutiae of Korean politics, media, and how their social attitudes are evolving.

That definitely doesn't make me an expert on Korean (or any) culture but I'm certainly past that point where someone finds a culture so exotic that they need to consult with high-level authorities that are a hundred layers abstracted from the actual creatives.

I'll admit it's as Korean as anything else made in Korea but it's still just a big-budget, low-brow fanservice game. I don't think it's going to get anyone interested in the Korean perspective on art and social commentary.

But are you korean, brawndolicious? 

it's not about expertise it's about representation. you literally have no idea what it's like, please stop speaking on that experience.

will brawndolicious let it go or will he HAVE to have the last word?! 

[Boredfrom]

So this is a repeat of the Wii era but now Japanese companies feel comfortable with the PC market to not get trapped in the 3/DS ecosystem of pre HD games.

[Potato]

CELEBRATING NEURODIVERSITY: AUTISM REPRESENTATION IN THE DIVISION 2.

April marks Autism Awareness Month, and to raise awareness this article will explore characters like Birdie and Claire. While these characters by no means represent the full spectrum of autism, each provides their own unique piece of autism representation.

Birdie is a newer character in The Division 2, introduced in Year 5: Season 2 - Puppeteers. Initially needing rescue during The Recruiter manhunt, Birdie reveals herself to be a technical genius in need of a challenge.

"Birdie is our savant Stanford engineering genius who went to college when she was 12," says Lauren Stone, narrative director for The Division 2. "She has dedicated her life to creating alternative power solutions, and she's built this industry called ODEA Tech with her 'brother,' Vikram Malik."

...

Birdie is self-diagnosed with autism; as Stone describes her backstory, she was too old to have received a proper diagnosis, having attended Stanford before Asperger's was a diagnosis, and seen as "one of those weird kids who's super smart."

"When you meet an autistic person, you've met an autistic person. You have not met autism," says Stone. "Birdie is a singular representation. I fully expect Claire is also on the spectrum, but she presents as more neurotypical."

...

"The two autistic kids were like, 'yeah, no, we can work together. It'll be fine; other people are offended, but we're not,'" Stone laughs. "I think that's where, even though we haven't said Claire's autistic, I fully expect her to be somewhere on the spectrum. I think it's representative of a very common experience where the neurotypical people can work with each other, and Birdie and Claire love working together because they're both 'neurospicy.' They understand how to challenge each other and help each other grow, and see the benefit of supporting each other. And then we just have these two brilliant women making everything possible."

REPRESENTATION MATTERS

According to Stone, including diverse perspectives in games helps flesh out the story and experience in new ways. In The Division 2, the playable character has no voice; the player is the Agent, and they decide how they feel about the world. However, including a diverse cast of characters - including neurodivergent ones like Birdie - allows the developers to show different viewpoints about the world and how the world responds to them.

"That in and of itself opens the door to make it so that it's easier to tell different parts of the same story, and different perspectives on the same story, because everybody sees a singular event through their own personal lens," says Stone.

As we discuss neurodiverse representation in games, it's crucial that it comes from a place of authenticity. It's about focusing on the character as a person first rather than a diagnosis, enhancing the authenticity of the narrative and allowing all players to find characters with whom they can identify and from whom they can learn.

[Potato]

"Nintendo and Nintendo fans really do get treated like second class citizens. So tired."

Nintex would know. 

Nintex is a "prominent poster" on thebore I'll have you know

[Boredfrom]

I dunno, that character sounds like a stereotype of Autists.

[benji]

Better a cracked lesbian egg than a boring cis brain afraid of being comfy and queer.

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/protests-at-columbia-university-continue-as-groups-on-both-sides-of-the-aisle-call-for-action-to-be-taken-university-shifts-to-hybrid-classes.851787/page-24?post=122414988#post-122414988

Posted on resetera, behind a username

I could be wrong, but I believe that providing financial support to hamas - literally defined as a terrorist organisation under US law - is actually a federal crime, and with the track record of aid actually reaching the palestinian people and not the cunts buying rockets with money for starving children I am very curious how they are vetting those donations

That's sort of been Hamas MO from the start, they have mosques and religious groups collecting money for them in Europe and now various left wing NGOs too. They used the money to buy weapons and training from Russia/Wagner and hired Chinese contractors to build tunnels. 
They were also embedded in the UNRWA and EU countries announced they would freeze funding to the UNRWA however in most cases after the scandal left the headlines EU countries feared protests so the donations have continued as normal pending the official UN investigation which can only be completed after the war is over.

So yes, laws have been broken just like with the Russian and Iranian sanctions but what are we going to do about it, arrest the UN?

Nintex you have no sources the UNRWA is involved with Hamas or that aid continues to arrive in Gaza. Israel is blocking all the aid and genociding everyone with the help of Joe Biden. There is literally 0 evidence that Hamas is involved in any way and...

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[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Last post for tonight but the tensions were high among the group as we discussed the next best course of action. Basically, we're not setting up an encampment as originally planned. The leaders for this chapter seem too afraid in facing disciplinary action, which I can't blame them for since most of them are freshmen/new to organizing.

We came to a compromise where half of the group (SJP) will continue with their "legal" protests while (YDSA, the group that I am part of) will stage a sit-in outside the president's office in the hopes of escalation. There's a possibility of suspension (obviously) but we all knew the risks when we signed up. Our YDSA chapter believes that we need to take more militant action if we are to get *shit* done. I don't care if I have to withdrawal from all of my classes or if I get arrested. I'm doing this for something bigger than myself and some of these organizers just gotta realize that.

The leaders for this chapter seem too afraid in facing disciplinary action, which I can't blame them for since most of them are freshmen/new to organizing.

Wow. What an "allies" they are. Your future possibly on the line and you're unwilling to protest like the others? What solidarity. 

Our YDSA chapter believes that we need to take more militant action if we are to get *shit* done.

Non-violent militant action, right? 

[Polident]

I'd rather japan remain anal so at least some people on this earth can walk around at night without worry about being mugged or worse.

Wish it was like that here.  

This is a deeper conversation around assimilating high skilled immigration, cheap labor immigrations, and what they tend to favor as migrants and illegal immigration. One that’s too spicy to get into. One that’s hypocritical on my part considering my family and me.

But (great word) it will always be weird how they target Japan and S.Korea. They never talk about China accepting immigration. A substantially larger nation. They also don’t see how many middle eastern countries handle immigration. They don’t in the western sense. Limited rights and deportation for cheap labor. Whenever pressed they talk about immigration as reparations for colonialism by the west. Yet they use that line even with Japan and S.Korea.

Like, it applies with how they’re exporting culture wars to media from those countries. Now it gets a little Hitler to say, Japan (media) for Japanese, S.Korea (media) for the S.Koreans. But (!!).

[benji]

I'm doing this for something bigger than myself and some of these organizers just gotta realize that.

No, you aren't. Otherwise you would put your efforts into finding out what would be effective rather than what will allow you to talk about how selfless and brave you are while doing nothing but what makes you feel good.