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[Potato]

Still judging you

These jealous morons like Uncle and Boredfrom fell for a completely fake story:


No stream tonight though, peace y'all:

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Dear God.. Clicky's final boss has appeared..

I not trying to shame anyone but how does anyone who watches this show justify enjoying it despite its blatant bigoted stances?

I like it BECAUSE the bigoted topics. When the jewish creator dressed Cartman up as Hitler or the time he had Cartman attempt to exterminate the jews as a response to the passion of the christ it exposes how stupid hateful ideologies and rhetoric is. From day 1 it was meant to be transgressive and it held no subjects sacred. It was very stupid in the beginning relying more on shock humor but it slowly moved on to cultural commentary which I totally fuck with. Now there are many topics that didnt age well, the trans stuff being the absolute worse, being extremely hard to rewatch, but overall it was a net positive in my life for exposing and normalizing ideas to me that people were very often too afraid to talk about, let around make jokes around it. For most of my life I had no one to talk to about it. No one to relate to. The jokes from South Park actually helped to put me at ease at my place in life. BAD STUFF BAD is too simplistic a take on the awful subjects the show covers. The shocking and ridiculous ways the show handles a lot of subjects was, for a long time, the only media that engaged with these subjects with any sort of humanity or nuance.

And before you ask I am

Neurodivergent - Diagnosed ASD and possible undiagnosed ADD
Mentally ill - Diagnosed anxiety/ depression - medicated
Hispanic
Pan
Spanish first language (not born in the US) - english second
Trans (Nonbinary, formerly genderfuid, identity is a journey and these labels are not my own though I do push Latine over Latinx )
Obese - zepbound prescription (mounjaro but with branding/ use case set aside specifically for weight loss instead of diabetes)
I was christian/ conservative when I started the show (I was a kid, season 2, I was how I was raised) but I am athiest/ leftist now (liberals are far to the right of me)

The show saw me through many changes of my life and help me come to terms with both the ugliness of how people thought but also how to make light of the obvious pain and helped me find solidarity in laughter at the absurdity of modern culture.

Its ugly and again, transgressive, but I think Matt and Trey have been, despite being vocal liberals with very VERY awful jokes in the past, a force for good.

You may disagree, many people do, I dont deny the awful things that have been said by the show and if people react harshly to its themes, past and present, its justified and you wont find me defending it, but there are reasons why I like South Park.

[Taco Bell Tower]

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/reminder-of-whats-at-stake-in-the-u-s-biden-appoints-200th-judge-to-the-courts-and-could-appoint-1-2-scotus-judges-if-reelected.878934/page-4?post=123434439#post-123434439

O no.. another one that will never be reopened. 

[HaughtyFrank]

And before you ask I am

Neurodivergent - Diagnosed ASD and possible undiagnosed ADD
Mentally ill - Diagnosed anxiety/ depression - medicated
Hispanic
Pan
Spanish first language (not born in the US) - english second
Trans (Nonbinary, formerly genderfuid, identity is a journey and these labels are not my own though I do push Latine over Latinx )
Obese - zepbound prescription (mounjaro but with branding/ use case set aside specifically for weight loss instead of diabetes)
I was christian/ conservative when I started the show (I was a kid, season 2, I was how I was raised) but I am athiest/ leftist now (liberals are far to the right of me)

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Melody is white and needs to shut the fuck up and NOT respond.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

But we all know they will and it will be magical. 

[Daffy Duck]

Dis gonna get good

[Boredfrom]

Still judging you

These jealous morons like Uncle and Boredfrom fell for a completely fake story:


No stream tonight though, peace y'all:

I love how shameless he is. I love how many people are surprised and blame all of it to alcohol and drugs. They think there was a “old Nick” that needs to come back.

[benji]

Dear God.. Clicky's final boss has appeared..

I not trying to shame anyone but how does anyone who watches this show justify enjoying it despite its blatant bigoted stances?

Weird method of not trying to shame anyone.

[Daffy Duck]

That American shooter suing thread is fucking stupid, CoD hasn’t had a gun that the shooter used in it, and trying to claim the shooter used it to train lmao, like it’s remotely the same thing.

It fucking sucks they lost their kids to a school shooting but this “blame video games” is fucking nonsense

Did the kid who shot up the school do it because of a vide game? 99% chance no. Did his interest in firearms and his feeling of he knew how to use them or that he would feel comfortable using one get enhanced by his daily interaction of "guns are cool, guns are toys, isn't this weapon cool" get enhanced by "realistic" games? I'd wager yes.

Then you sir, are a fucking idiot!

[AnnoyedCanadian]

And the fact that the majority of political people on that forum think he's a good guy

Of course there will be no blowback to him or any of their other talking heads who spout nonsense.

[benji]

Ah. That at least makes sense. Suing entertainment companies even if they glorify violence feels odd. Like every book, movie, stage play is now liable for anybody who commits a crime tangentially related to their subject matter?

Lawyers have been trying to get this sort of thing done for decades now. If this was a "school shooter simulator" they'd have a case, but it's basically a war movie in terms of content.

[Boredfrom]

That American shooter suing thread is fucking stupid, CoD hasn’t had a gun that the shooter used in it, and trying to claim the shooter used it to train lmao, like it’s remotely the same thing.

It fucking sucks they lost their kids to a school shooting but this “blame video games” is fucking nonsense

Did the kid who shot up the school do it because of a vide game? 99% chance no. Did his interest in firearms and his feeling of he knew how to use them or that he would feel comfortable using one get enhanced by his daily interaction of "guns are cool, guns are toys, isn't this weapon cool" get enhanced by "realistic" games? I'd wager yes.

Then you sir, are a fucking idiot!

The Uvalde aftermath has been genuinely depressing, so I’m not that surprised they want to get any semblance of closure even if silly stuff like this. 

RE should know better than entertaining this stuff, but they hate video games.

[Boredfrom]

Ah. That at least makes sense. Suing entertainment companies even if they glorify violence feels odd. Like every book, movie, stage play is now liable for anybody who commits a crime tangentially related to their subject matter?

Lawyers have been trying to get this sort of thing done for decades now. If this was a "school shooter simulator" they'd have a case, but it's basically a war movie in terms of content.

Member Newgrounds?

[AnnoyedCanadian]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-original-god-of-war-games-before-the-2018-reboot.880962/page-3?post=123439932#post-123439932

nonoriri

So cringe edgy that I would never consider touching them.

I think it speaks to the quality of the reboot that I gave it a shot.

I'm willing to wager that this person was still a child when the first game came out, like much of the forum. How is the 2018 game a reboot? It's a direct sequel to 3. Let's see here

Gender
Non-Binary

I hate to stereotype again but I have yet to see one non-binary person on there be able to use their fucking brain. It's like identifying as that melts your grey matter.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Dear God.. Clicky's final boss has appeared..

I not trying to shame anyone but how does anyone who watches this show justify enjoying it despite its blatant bigoted stances?

I like it BECAUSE the bigoted topics. When the jewish creator dressed Cartman up as Hitler or the time he had Cartman attempt to exterminate the jews as a response to the passion of the christ it exposes how stupid hateful ideologies and rhetoric is. From day 1 it was meant to be transgressive and it held no subjects sacred. It was very stupid in the beginning relying more on shock humor but it slowly moved on to cultural commentary which I totally fuck with. Now there are many topics that didnt age well, the trans stuff being the absolute worse, being extremely hard to rewatch, but overall it was a net positive in my life for exposing and normalizing ideas to me that people were very often too afraid to talk about, let around make jokes around it. For most of my life I had no one to talk to about it. No one to relate to. The jokes from South Park actually helped to put me at ease at my place in life. BAD STUFF BAD is too simplistic a take on the awful subjects the show covers. The shocking and ridiculous ways the show handles a lot of subjects was, for a long time, the only media that engaged with these subjects with any sort of humanity or nuance.

And before you ask I am

Neurodivergent - Diagnosed ASD and possible undiagnosed ADD
Mentally ill - Diagnosed anxiety/ depression - medicated
Hispanic
Pan
Spanish first language (not born in the US) - english second
Trans (Nonbinary, formerly genderfuid, identity is a journey and these labels are not my own though I do push Latine over Latinx )
Obese - zepbound prescription (mounjaro but with branding/ use case set aside specifically for weight loss instead of diabetes)
I was christian/ conservative when I started the show (I was a kid, season 2, I was how I was raised) but I am athiest/ leftist now (liberals are far to the right of me)

The show saw me through many changes of my life and help me come to terms with both the ugliness of how people thought but also how to make light of the obvious pain and helped me find solidarity in laughter at the absurdity of modern culture.

Its ugly and again, transgressive, but I think Matt and Trey have been, despite being vocal liberals with very VERY awful jokes in the past, a force for good.

You may disagree, many people do, I dont deny the awful things that have been said by the show and if people react harshly to its themes, past and present, its justified and you wont find me defending it, but there are reasons why I like South Park.

We got some replies.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cartman-goes-on-ozempic-in-%E2%80%98south-park-the-end-of-obesity%E2%80%99-trailer-coming-to-paramount-in-may.872046/page-2?post=123450489#post-123450489

If I'm being honest I used to love south park, but the damage it has done to the image and perception of trans people in a time when we are going through an active and intentionally GENOCIDE has been more than I can handle. I cannot fucking give blatant transphobia a pass even if i traditionally liked the content of the show in the past and it did inform my tastes.

One think I'll say is I see far more people uncritically idolizing Eric Cartman than take him as the intentionally shitty, bigoted character that he is.

You can't really say something hasn't 'aged well' when the content in question was just a few years and is about something that is actively an issue right now. Also calling Matt and Trey 'vocal liberals' gives them way, way too much credit. They may have some good ideas, but they are very much of the libertarian mindset of the likes of people like Ricky Gervais and Bill Maher who think everyone should be made fun of and you have any issue with it you can kick rocks, which has been shown to be a pretty harmful and toxic viewpoint. I also think there's a lot of things, including this show, that points to them being a lot more conservative than a lot of people give them credit for. Even outside the 'transgressive' humor, the politics of South Park is very questionable at its best.

But this whole post gives a weird vibe anyway, so I have just gotten got

Lord Fanny's come's across as a little aggressive! Weird vibes? Feeling like they just gotten got? 

Guess someone who is ESL and trans needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP and listen to the mafia.

[benji]

Assert assert assert, never provide examples, never show evidence, never back down.

[NekoFever]

I see their transformation into middle aged Christian moms has progressed from an aversion to nudity to blaming violent behaviour on video games.

Next they’ll be campaigning to ban Harry Pot… oh wait

[Nintex]

Turns out they are real women after all.

Checkmate transphobes

[Polident]

Is it really surprising that people who claim watching card captor sakura made them trans believe playing video games can make you go on a shooting spree?

[Snoopy]

The Home Alone house is up for sale

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-home-alone-house-is-for-sale-and-has-a-basketball-court-in-the-basement-with-a-25-ceiling.881205/

Of course Dachshund Destroyer has to jump in

It should be noted that the "Home Alone house" is just a facade. The interiors were a different house.

What a joyless cunt he is

[Daffy Duck]

The Home Alone house is up for sale

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-home-alone-house-is-for-sale-and-has-a-basketball-court-in-the-basement-with-a-25-ceiling.881205/

Of course Dachshund Destroyer has to jump in

It should be noted that the "Home Alone house" is just a facade. The interiors were a different house.

What a joyless cunt he is

That dude needs some pussy in his life

[Polident]

We as a society need to do better about beating the shit out of Nazis.

Quoting it again for the people in the back. And the front. And everywhere else.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rich-nazi-fucks-sing-nazi-song-and-do-hitler-salute-in-germany-film-themselves-and-post-it-online.880596/

You guys are in a forum with Nepenthe as an Admi and a Muslim community dangerous close to spouting terrorist rhetoric. 

You guys don’t care.

Have to admit, I’ve had this tune stuck in my head today. It’s catchy. Even without the message.

They should learn from it. Give from the river to the sea a catchy jingle and pay attractive people to sing it. Sell the illusion of fun instead of browbeating people.

Although the lady was already doxed and fired and it’s Germany so they’ll throw her in jail.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Sell the illusion of fun instead of browbeating people.

But browbeating people is the point.

[Nintex]

We as a society need to do better about beating the shit out of Nazis.

Quoting it again for the people in the back. And the front. And everywhere else.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rich-nazi-fucks-sing-nazi-song-and-do-hitler-salute-in-germany-film-themselves-and-post-it-online.880596/

You guys are in a forum with Nepenthe as an Admi and a Muslim community dangerous close to spouting terrorist rhetoric. 

You guys don’t care.

Have to admit, I’ve had this tune stuck in my head today. It’s catchy. Even without the message.

They should learn from it. Give from the river to the sea a catchy jingle and pay attractive people to sing it. Sell the illusion of fun instead of browbeating people.

Although the lady was already doxed and fired and it’s Germany so they’ll throw her in jail.

The original is GIGI D'AGOSTINO - L'AMOUR TOUJOURS

Which has been a club anthem in Europe since forever. 

Anyway it's sort of a trend I suppose? Just this week I found out from our interns that among students a hardstyle remix of Erika (German war song) is popular. He was humming it the other day and a co-worker was like dude why are are you humming Erika. 

(turn your volume way down and then down some more)


Of course I immediately told him to pack his things and go home and explain to his girlfriend why he now has a fulltime job.

[kaleidoscopium]

while i enjoy south park for some of the same reasons kiyamet said, yeah their transphobic idea just hasn't changed at all and is indefensible!

In an even more recent long episode, the streaming war, the whole plot point about cartman getting fake tits, insisting two times that "they do these surgeries to kids now, it's 2022".... no they fucking don't

I read that joke as satire cause yeah, they don't. That's what i thought made that joke funny.

But i guess i was wrong how i was reading it. Same thing with that notorious ep shown above, i always thought it was satire due to the fact that shit would never happen. I never thought either instance was supposed to be taken seriously when most of south park isn't.

I think the fact Matt and Trey never clarified it finally changed my mind that i was wrong in how i was reading the show.

Idk i feel like at this point maybe South Park threads just need to be banned on era cause i can see it's causing pain for a lot of our community that they have to come in and defend themselves each time something new comes out.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cartman-goes-on-ozempic-in-‘south-park-the-end-of-obesity’-trailer-coming-to-paramount-in-may.872046/page-2?post=123456612#post-123456612

 

Just ban the retards like melody and clickycarl and these threads would be like any other new comedy post.

[JoeBoy101]

The Home Alone house is up for sale

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-home-alone-house-is-for-sale-and-has-a-basketball-court-in-the-basement-with-a-25-ceiling.881205/

Of course Dachshund Destroyer has to jump in

It should be noted that the "Home Alone house" is just a facade. The interiors were a different house.

What a joyless cunt he is

That dude needs some pussy in his life

 I dunno. I’d say he’s such a gigantic pussy that he needs some balls in his life.

Also, can’t wait until he adds Realtor to his resume.

[Eric Cartman]

If I'm being honest I used to love south park, but the damage it has done to the image and perception of trans people in a time when we are going through an active and intentionally GENOCIDE has been more than I can handle. I cannot fucking give blatant transphobia a pass even if i traditionally liked the content of the show in the past and it did inform my tastes.

"I draw the line at a thing I agree with and enjoy when it goes after my pet cause"

One think I'll say is I see far more people uncritically idolizing Eric Cartman than take him as the intentionally shitty, bigoted character that he is.

Even by era standards of media literacy this is a dumb take.
A good comedic character is a good COMEDIC character, not a good comedic CHARACTER, and fuck all of you 'the point of comedy is punching 'up'' morons.
The point of comedy is making people laugh.

Eric Cartman is a great comedic character.
George Constanza is a great comedic character.
Abed Nadir is agreat comedic character.
Dwight Schrute is a great comedic character.

Sometimes you laugh with them. Sometimes you laugh at them. Sometimes you sympathise with them. Sometimes they say things you agree with. Sometimes you're just waiting for the comeuppance.

These characters are popular. That doesn't mean people want to be them. You fucking moron.

You can't really say something hasn't 'aged well' when the content in question was just a few years and is about something that is actively an issue right now.

That is literally the exact scenario in which that phrase is most often used

[killamajig]

thethickofit

Non-Binary
They/Them
Joined
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Messages
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This guys defence of a child killer gets a bit personal. Starts here.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/lucy-letby-britain%E2%80%99s-most-prolific-child-serial-killer-given-whole-life-order-life-without-parole.755437/post-123124560

Juries are notoriously bad at evaluating the quality of medical evidence.

Justice is never "done", it is always an ongoing process.

I've looked at all the evidence, and none of it gets me to beyond the reasonable doubt standard.

The defense also fucked it up by trying to exonerate the structural issues that clearly exist within the NHS, because it is the closest thing TERF island has to a religion.

The fact is that any serious Bayesian analysis shows that she could not possibly be responsible. The alternative theory is sepsis, and it's at least 100:1 likely it's that. Most of the jury likely hadn't even heard of Bayes.

You know how people say that actually, most of the time people use the words "begs the question" they aren't literally engaging in the logical fallacy called "begging the question"?

You are literally engaging in the logical fallacy called "begging the question".

Ect.....

Blent said:
But there have been plenty of similar disturbing notes amd 'confessions', for want of a better term, written by people who were not of sound mind and who did commit horrible acts. I don't think it's at all outlandish to take something like this as a major point to build a case around.

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thethickofit
This chain of reasoning is completely incorrect, because it does not account for the base rate of how many people write such notes and don't do crimes. This is why Bayesian thinking is important!

Let's use L as the event that Letby did it, and W as the event that she wrote the note.

P(L|W) = P(W|L) * P(L) / P(W)

where P(W)=P(W∣L)⋅P(L)+P(W∣¬L)⋅P(¬L).

Some reasonable numbers:

* P(L) is the prior that she did it. Since this was presented in opening arguments, a person believing in innocence until guilt should assume a low prior. To be incredibly generous I'd say 0.3.
* P(¬L) is the negation of P(L) so 0.7.
* P(W∣L) is if she did a crime then the probability she wrote a note. Let's say 0.8 to be very generous. We'd have to find the percentage of serial killers who wrote such notes to determine this. (I highly doubt most serial killers wrote stream of confession notes!)
* P(W∣¬L) is if she didn't do the crime then the probability she wrote the note. This would be the belief that she was in a depressive episode and wrote it to cope. I'd put this at around 0.6 based on everything. But to adjust for my own biases I'm going to bring this down to 0.4.

P(W) is 0.24 + 0.28 = 0.52.

So when you put it together you get 0.8 * 0.3/0.52 = 0.46. Not 0.8. 0.46. And this is with absurdly generous assumptions. (0.3 is a horrible place to start from! 0.8 is a very loose upper bound.)

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