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[malfoyking]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/

you see guys, he is clearly no genocide joe.... lol

[HaughtyFrank]

for some reason I think it's aimed just tu punish more trans youth.

Require teenagers to serve.

Bar trans people from serving.

Trans people who don't serve get punished.

Cruel fucks.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/uk-election-conservative-party-pitches-mandatory-conscription-for-18-year-olds.882183/page-2

Proposed mandatory military service for all 18 year olds

TransRE "we're the victims here!"

Just shut the fuck up for once

[Boredfrom]

Wasn't there a report that Muslim leaders in Michigan were promising to deliver the Muslim vote there if he gave three conditions to conflict right now?

Regardless of how justified their ire towards Biden is, I have a very hard time imagining there are Muslims who actually believe that Trump can be pushed to the left of him on any issue, especially this one. Ignorant xenophobia is his whole brand.

Muslims, like Latinos, are not leftists by default.

[DocWager]

But all minorities are left leaning!?!?

[Nintex]

oh well that's good news, that's nice to hear, I don't like seeing those sad posts so it's comforting to know there won't be many more of them

14 hours ago they made this post after that 



And someone got perm'd for calling out their BS in their last suicide bait thread on reee

Don't kill yourself Melody, not a good look for my HAMBURGERS FOR TRANS charity.

[HaughtyFrank]

Wasn't there a report that Muslim leaders in Michigan were promising to deliver the Muslim vote there if he gave three conditions to conflict right now?

Regardless of how justified their ire towards Biden is, I have a very hard time imagining there are Muslims who actually believe that Trump can be pushed to the left of him on any issue, especially this one. Ignorant xenophobia is his whole brand.

Muslims, like Latinos, are not leftists by default.

Wasn't there some story about Muslims and conservatives becoming unlikely allies over LGBT stuff being taught in school? Conservative Muslims and conservative christians would probably see eye to eye on a bunch of stuff

[AnnoyedCanadian]

I'm not a fan of Trump at all but if you keep going on about how Biden is the worst, Trump will probably win. If you don't vote either, shut the fuck up too.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/page-2?post=123536403#post-123536403

Anoregon

The left has accelerationism, which generally accepts that the leopard will eat their face but convince themselves they will grow a better face later.

What a complete dumbass. The far right believes in the same thing. Horseshoe theory everyday it seems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

Again, if you don't like living in America or a western nation, move. It's not a hard concept.

[Ethan]

How can anyone who's not white or cis not be a leftist? I mean, come on! Don't they know what's good for them?

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

For people who've made caring about oppressed minorities their entire personnality, it's amazing how little they actually know about them

[AnnoyedCanadian]

I used to consider myself a leftist but over the past few years online discourse and how fucking insane people are on the left have completely soured me. I'd consider myself a liberal nowadays, which to the left is as bad as being far right it seems.

https://x.com/dril/status/972534838057230336

go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The Fuck Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse

That is how I feel most of the time when it comes to these idiots online.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

And of course the topic gets turned into TRANS RIGHTS. PAY ATTENTION TO ME.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/page-5?post=123539169#post-123539169

Someone enlighten me how queer is a gender.

[Nintex]

In my country the position to expel the foreign students protesting (which is what Trump is talking about) has more support than the protests.
I can't imagine it being much different in the US.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/page-5?post=123539409#post-123539409

Sawneeks "female"

I'm sorry, but saying the discussion should be about ending genocide and calling that a 'derail' is the wildest thing I've read in a while.

You want people to vote for Biden? Tell him to stop being a maniac. It's not the voters fault for not wanting to vote for him - it's his own actions causing that.

How exactly is Biden being a maniac? All I've seen from him is saying to stop the antisemitism, criticizing Israel for going too far and wanting peace. If that's being a maniac then I must be living in an insane asylum.

If Trump wins and you don't vote for Biden, have fun and don't you dare fucking complain. The vast majority of people from what I gather do not give a shit about this and it will not change how they are voting in November.

[HaughtyFrank]

If you participate in an illegal protest while on a student visa you're quite the idiot

[malfoyking]

I've been an international student in the US... It is not easy to get a student visa. International students participating in these protests are fucking dumb and should know better. You're not from the US, they'll deport your ass.

[Orange Juice Box]

I used to consider myself a leftist but over the past few years online discourse and how fucking insane people are on the left have completely soured me. I'd consider myself a liberal nowadays, which to the left is as bad as being far right it seems.

https://x.com/dril/status/972534838057230336

go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The Fuck Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse

That is how I feel most of the time when it comes to these idiots online.

I feel I've remained largely the same.  I was very liberal person who accepted pretty much all the ideals.  Without moving my position I became a a liberal who wasn't leftist enough.  Now in the eye's of ERA types i'm worse than a nazi.  I'm a centrist.




WTF, that's not very spooky text at all.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/page-6?post=123540015#post-123540015

What in the name of fuck is he talking about? Are we just making up genocides now?

The word has lost all meaning on that forum. Good fucking job you leftist nutjobs. Absolute 1 brain cell firing off fucking idiots.

[Ethan]

How many times have they had this exact thread in the last 6 months?

-"Here's something Trump say will do. You have to vote for the lesser evil."
-"Don't tell me what to do libs, I'm not voting for genocide Joe. I need to be inspired!"
-"But trans genocide!"
-"Don't talk over over our palestinian and muslim brothers who are fleeing this forum in droves."
-"There seems to be many russian bots in this thread..."
-Thordinson: "Bla bla bla bla..."
-"This thread is locked while we examine a large number of reports."



Get new material folks...

[AnnoyedCanadian]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/page-6?post=123540249#post-123540249

And the furry queen makes a long post that I don't give a shit about



On a side note, I seriously don't get how you can play Overwatch for 8 FUCKING YEARS and only play as one character. That is insanity.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/page-6?post=123540015#post-123540015

What in the name of fuck is he talking about? Are we just making up genocides now?

The word has lost all meaning on that forum. Good fucking job you leftist nutjobs. Absolute 1 brain cell firing off fucking idiots.

It really boils down to voting for a man that supports 3 genocides versus a man that supports 6 genocides.

[Steven Snell]

If you're in such desperate need for money to buy food. Just sell your expensive gadgets or action figures then?

[killamajig]

Just like the word "literally" Nazi and genocide have been overused so much it's lost all meaning.

We saw it coming with the word Nazi. When you start calling Jews that survived the Holocaust Nazis you kind of lost the plot.

[killamajig]

If you're in such desperate need for money to buy food. Just sell your expensive gadgets or action figures then?

[Nintex]

I've been an international student in the US... It is not easy to get a student visa. International students participating in these protests are fucking dumb and should know better. You're not from the US, they'll deport your ass.

The idea that you are a 'guest' in a foreign country and you don't cause trouble for your hosts has completely vanished and has been replaced with entitlement.
The host country has to tolerate and respect ME and allow ME to do what I want because my mental state, capitalism bad and fuck the zionists.

In Amsterdam they fucked up some historical buildings, putting paint everywhere, removing bricks from the streets to toss at the police, smashing the windows and shitting on the floors. It will cost millions to clean and repair all the damage. The answer of one of the protestors: "Those are just buildings, why should I care?"

Scum

[Boredfrom]

You need to come to terms with the fact that some people's line in the sand is literally "don't support genocide" and they're not going to cast support for that no matter what, in the same way that some people are absolutely not going to vote for Biden because they can't take the time off, or because they have a felonious barrier to voting as a result of our police state (that Biden said we should fund more of, derp), or because they're not in tune with politics and so on and so forth. We have not had a high rate of turnout for generations anyway, so attacking a minority of Arabs over a potential loss instead of the conservative whites who are going to openly cast a vote for Trump is a choice I guess.

You also need to come to terms with the fact that Indigenous, Black, and other minority groups have long since philosophized over whether or not voting for "harm reduction" was even a thing that could be done meaningfully within a colonial state such as the US considering our oppression is eternal and omnipresent, and that the actual thoughts and arguments about the matter are more nuanced than most folks here would give credit for, certainly beyond "just sticking to the man." Because- let's be real here- no one on this board will ever be as politically meaningful or relevant as Malcolm X was who hated Democrats too and didn't vote for them. So again, let's stop denigrating a subset of political argument as only the purview of idiot progressives.

Once you get that out of the way, and you are able to engage with the fact that humans are complicated, emotional, and have different lived perspectives than you do that are just as valid as yours, and that not everone who thinks differently than you is an asshole who secretly hates minorities, you can contend with the fact that there are nonetheless plenty of folks out there who can be assuaged to vote for Biden, or at least vote downticket, if they are angry or unsure. This requires talking to them and listening to them, and empathizing with their stories and anger. You might find, shockingly enough, how easy it is to find common ground on a whole host of matters, even from people who you consider your political opposite, because what is being missed is that we all suffer under this system of colonial capitalism, and thus a lot of folks are able to name the same symptoms even if they misdiagnose the issue.

So, if I were in a hypothetical conversation with, like, a Palestinian American who said that they weren't going to vote at all because they lost people in the genocide, first of all, I would validate that. I wouldn't tell them to "put their anger aside" and "stop being selfish." I would probably apologize for what has happened to them. Hell, if this was in real life I might give them a hug. You know, treat them like a person who just fucking lost their family? Once we get past the part where I have an ethical duty to empathize with another human being outside of trying to convince them to do something that I want them to do, and we get back on track, I would probably route the conversation onto a list of Democrats who are absolutely against the genocide, and to tell them to vote downticket for these guys instead. I would also probably emphasize that voting locally and downticket is an extremely helpful and underrated way of staving off Republican fuckery. We have sancutary cities for a reason. So, even if in that one conversation, hopefully one of many, I would be unable to get them to vote for Biden, I just nonetheless got them in the voting booth.

This is how you actually build allies and coalitions. And if we're truly facing down an existential threat to America itself, you're going to need all the allies you can get.

In general, the best advice I can give to folks who are angry at minorities who have genocide as their line in the sand, is to- at no point- denigrate these people. For one, you know fuck all about them. You're a terminally-online gamer on a message board; I know good and goddamn well you are not out here talking to minorities in your community in real life. Human interaction with strangers, stranger who could have guns no less? Yeah, you're not doing it. For two, you're supposed to protect them; that's the liberal agenda, right? That you- to some degree- try to stand up for the most vulnerable? Well, you know what doesn't scream that you care for the vulnerable? Calling a Palestinian selfish for not wanting to vote for someone who enabled the killing of their people. Like, at some point, you have to admit the optics of these shaming methods are shit and only lends to the belief that liberals only care about minorities within the confines of the moral battle with conservatives, and that our issues are liable to be dropped the moment they become politically inconvenient.

Some extra advice I would give is to focus on the pressure points and potential voters that actually matter, instead of raging about the people you may have lost. The horrific reality is that despite 4K images of what is going on in Gaza, most Americans still do not actually care about it in comparison to issues like the economy. I'm a bit contentious in some of my circles in the fact that I still don't think Biden will actually lose based on Gaza because it doesn't seem like the numbers are there this far out for that to be the case. Which makes sense. America doesn't care about Brown people. But they do care about being able to eat. We all do; hell, I'm hungry right now. Use that as the inroad to help in the discourse and on the campaign trail to gain voters, instead of shitting on people who you already might have lost due to this issue.

Also, we are still half a year out from the election itself. We have no idea what the fuck is going to happen. Trump might get a felony conviction, at which case it is literally sealed for Biden if polling is correct. The debates might throw things in Biden's favor. Trump might keep having gaffes like that libertarian convention. Hell, one or both of them might fucking die this year because of their age. Keep calm and focus on the votes you can gain without continuously letting it slip that the relevancy of minorities' issues is only in service of the realpolitik, and not as a general principle of moral good.

 

[Nintex]

Perhaps it's because we are on a left-leaning board that creates an echo chamber, but largely I have not felt within this community that there is actually more disdain for conservatives than for progressives here. I haven't read every single reply but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the only person here who reminded people that the ultimate folks at fault for getting Trump elected will be those who positively cast a vote for him, not the minorities abstaining for any number of reasons. This entire time we've been fighting amongst ourselves, even against actual Palestinians. Hardly feels like an understanding and inclusive environment.

There is definitely something to be said about how the nature of in-group politics and the team sports nature of it all conflicts with the vast array of thought across "leftist politics" in general. There are a lot of subjects and perspectives that Era doesn't really have the intellectual or empathetic room to entertain. Too far out of the general window of basic neoliberal politics and you'll be immediately othered as an accelerationist on par with Trumpers no matter your degree of marginalization.

Had I not felt bad for Tauntaun who seems to be at this point begging for acknowledgement for his people's plight outside of the context of voting, honestly? Probably wouldn't have even bothered posting here. Because otherwise what is to actually be gained here?

[NekoFever]

for some reason I think it's aimed just tu punish more trans youth.

Require teenagers to serve.

Bar trans people from serving.

Trans people who don't serve get punished.

Cruel fucks.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/uk-election-conservative-party-pitches-mandatory-conscription-for-18-year-olds.882183/page-2

And of course the topic gets turned into TRANS RIGHTS. PAY ATTENTION TO ME.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-promises-to-expel-all-pro-palestinian-protesters-from-the-country-should-he-get-elected-wa-po.882336/page-5?post=123539169#post-123539169

Someone enlighten me how queer is a gender.

Literally anything:

Trans Ree:

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israel-palestine-the-ongoing-israeli-genocide-in-gaza-icj-orders-halt-to-israeli-offensive-on-rafah-see-staff-posts-for-posting-guidelines.772478/page-337?post=123523650#post-123523650

I've said it before Israel needs to be dismantled top to bottom.

The genocidal maniacs don't just exist in top levels of government and in the idf,they exist amongst their civilians.

Tear it all down like nazi germany.

[Nintex]

I don't think you can tangibly separate economic liberation from social liberation that cleanly because it is the economic state of the world that has created and reinforced the social state.

To me, a capitalist who is somehow for "equal rights for all" makes as much sense as an anti-monarchist who still wants to be ruled by a king or queen.

Thank you Nepenthe

[Uncle]

Just like the word "literally" Nazi and genocide have been overused so much it's lost all meaning.

We saw it coming with the word Nazi. When you start calling Jews that survived the Holocaust Nazis you kind of lost the plot.

and just as with nazi you find yourself throwing up your hands and saying "ok, I guess if that's what your definition is now, I guess I support genocides, me and 95% of the rest of the world, all nazis who support genocides, no recourse but to embrace your shitty label, congratulations"

[clockwork5]

If you're in such desperate need for money to buy food. Just sell your expensive gadgets or action figures then?

Right?? In my late twenties I bought my dream guitar. Fender Stratocaster American Deluxe with a tobacco burst finish, noise canceling single coil pickups and a flamed maple neck. $1800. Then the Great Recession happened and my income pretty much halved. I couldn’t pay rent so I sold that guitar 1 year later for $1300. I cried as I was selling it. But you know what I didn’t have to do? Beg for money. And I’m actually good enough to deserve a guitar like that. 

Just sell that Jackson, Melody. I bet you could get a few hundred bucks for it.