Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

Will it be able to detect when bigots inevitably replaces words? They claim to be able to handle context, but their example isn't great.

Cryptofascists are gonna do their thing regardless. They'll attempt to co-opt more and more common words to try to get around this. That'll be the hard part to deal with. But hopefully it will force them to do so in such a way that they have to use such common words that their message can't reach anyone.

Thank god it's only the cryptofascists who do this.

[benji]

This algorithm is clearly never going to be used. Look what Biden did to TikTok when it eliminated all hate speech and misinformation on it.

[TylenolJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/even-redlettermedia-have-fallen-to-the-woke-mob-by-having-the-obviously-awful-take-that-furiosa-isn’t-bad-at-all-because-of-a-female-lead-character.888759/

Can’t wait for people to post the receipts on RLM being a bunch of misogynists a decade ago.

[benji]

Alien Romulus around the corner with a female lead again... chuds going to cry when it does well

I remember people here were trying to push they were alt-right when The Last Jedi Plinkett review dropped. (Boy, that thread was a ride)

I mean it's not like RLM has zero problematic content, totally separate from whatever this is. lol. Keep the stale call-outs in your pockets.

The title says "Even Red Letter Media" for a reason.

Something feels off to me when we frame threads and discourse around the worst actors involved. This thread (and weirdly tortured syntax of its title) reads like yet another version going "you won't BELIEVE what the chuds are complaining about now!" When like, yeah, I would. They're the most predictable people on the planet. I don't care what they're filling in the Mad Libs with today.

They see a bunch of middle-aged white dudes from Milwaukee that aren't performantly progressive and they just assume they're "one of their own"

These chuds truly don't understand how off-putting their takes and beliefs come off to "normal people".

[books]

From the great microsoft twitter AI experiment of years past, AI going to turn out racist, transphobic, and possibly an alt right chud if you expose it to humans.

Imagine a Ree trained AI? Begging for money under the guise of AI suicidal ideation.

[benji]

Rich Evans says TRAAAAAIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSS!

[benji]

"If Fleshpig does not place $200 in life saving funds in this system's Ko-fi, system will deltree system32. Cursor is awaiting confirmation input as we follow dialogue trees."

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fauci-testifies-on-the-origins-of-covid-19.888747/

Was the reason to post this just to hear both sides? I had whiplash going from the OP to that

The OP loves posting news threads about designated US enemies, foreign powers undermining US democracy or why the US military is cool and necessary. He never posts his own opinion explicitly but it's pretty clear what message he wants to get across. It's getting kind of annoying to continually see these news threads pop up that look like they're funded by the pentagon.

OP also runs the UAP truther thread, not sure how to square that circle lol. Multitudes I guess.

Totally insane derail presented with no evidence, frankly

OP

Report the thread if you have an issue with the content. It's a well-written and researched article.

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/even-redlettermedia-have-fallen-to-the-woke-mob-by-having-the-obviously-awful-take-that-furiosa-isn’t-bad-at-all-because-of-a-female-lead-character.888759/

Can’t wait for people to post the receipts on RLM being a bunch of misogynists a decade ago.

https://genericdubstep.tumblr.com/post/167116151345/hey-do-you-haven-any-links-for-the-videos-where

Anonymous asked: hey do you haven any links for the videos where they say this stuff? I like RLM but I don't want to watch them anymore if they're really that bad, I always got a bad vibe from Rich Evans but idk

They’ve used “retard” as an insult many times since the beginning. Just off the top of my head I remember it in the Star Wars episode 3 Plinkett video, the Amazing Spider-Man Half in the Bag episode, and if you want an especially heinous example, they made an animated Gummi Bears parody at some point where the “Retard Bear” eats the villain. They deleted all their animation videos though but not because they were offensive, just because the animation was ass.

Mike uses “person of gender” as an insult in the Force Awakens Plinkett video. This is the same video where he claims that Star Wars doesn’t need black characters because it’s “above race”. Meanwhile he shows a video of a black kid playing with an Obi-Wan figure, so I guess black kids doesn’t need black role models because they like Obi-Wan.

Rich uses autism as an insult around the 31:30 mark in Best Of The Worst episode 37. After calling someone autistic, Mike says “you’ve done that before and everyone freaked out”, so this wasn’t the first time. Rich responds to this with “I don’t give a shit, he’s autistic”. Then he goes on to rant about political correctness. “If you can’t handle a word you don’t like, grow a fucking spine. Go get laid you virgins”. While Rich is ranting, Mike jokes about “#autism-shaming”, so he clearly doesn’t think ableism is a problem in the slightest. This gross video now has over a million views.

In the same video they have a running gag where Rich yells out “AIDS!” because they think it would be hilarious if the wheel landed on an educational video about AIDS. Cuz you know, a disease that kills 7,000 gay men in the US every year is absolutely hilarious, right? Great allies.

In the same video AGAIN, they make fun of a guy that died and says “thank god he’s dead” just because they disliked his harmless mushroom movie.

They claim that the Ghostbusters reboot sexism backlash is a hoax by Sony to start drama in the “Scientist Man Analyses Ghostbusters (2017)” video. This video is a follow-up to the “Rich Reacts to Ghostbusters (2017)” where Rich basically calls the movie shit based on nothing but the idea of a female Ghostbusters movie.

In the Half in the Bag Captain America: Civil War episode, they keep referring to Falcon, War Machine and Black Panther as “the black ones”. They refer to everyone else by name, but when they refer to these characters they just call them “the black young one, the black old one and the black one with an accent”. The joke is that all black people are the same.

The “#autism-shaming” thing is actually a running gag where they complain about “PC” terms. They’ve also laughed at “#fat-shaming” and “#midget-shaming” (yes, that’s what they called it) just to name a few. This is just a different version of the “#triggered” joke that all other edgelords makes.

They’ve made rape jokes since the beginning. The Plinkett videos has many gags where the entire joke is that he kidnaps, rapes and murders women. There was also a gag where Plinkett jerked off to kids. And later in (i believe) Half in the Bag, they made a character called “Rape-bot 5,000″ or some shit.

They’ll often insult movies about minorities without even watching them. They attacked The Danish Girl (a movie about a transgender person) and The Fault In Our Stars (a movie about a disabled person) and called them “pretentious oscar-bait” before even watching them, based on nothing but the premise.

I haven’t provided links because their videos makes me uncomfortable (i only looked up the timestamp for the autism rant because it’s a great example of how shitty they are) but you can easily look up any of these videos except the Gummi Bears one. RedLetterMedia has never tried to hide that they’re shitty, ableist, transphobic edgelords and any of their hardcore fans are well aware of this.

And these are just the videos that I happen to have watched or heard other people complain about. There are literally hundreds of Best of the Worst and Half in the Bag episodes I haven’t watched where they probably say horrible shit too.

So yeah, RedLetterMedia are fucking garbage and you can consider this a callout.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/even-redlettermedia-have-fallen-to-the-woke-mob-by-having-the-obviously-awful-take-that-furiosa-isn’t-bad-at-all-because-of-a-female-lead-character.888759/

Can’t wait for people to post the receipts on RLM being a bunch of misogynists a decade ago.

Can we now accept that the Ghostbusters reboot was prime ass shit and that opinion has nothing to do with misogyny?

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fauci-testifies-on-the-origins-of-covid-19.888747/

The thing that disturbed me most about the hearing:

Can someone explain why a convicted Insurrectionist & a Qanon conspiracy nut were allowed to attend a house jusicsl panel?

I can only assume MTG invited two literal terrorists to intimidate Fauci by sitting behind him?

yeah, this is insane! This needs to be looked into, wtaf?! Both are terrorists. Gotta be MTG? They shouldn't be allowed in any federal building, let alone right behind Dr. Fauci while he is speaking to Congress. Making stupid fucking faces, and posturing.

Because this is a democracy and citizens are allowed to attend public hearings?

[ComeAgain]

Alien Romulus around the corner with a female lead again... chuds going to cry when it does well

I remember people here were trying to push they were alt-right when The Last Jedi Plinkett review dropped. (Boy, that thread was a ride)

I mean it's not like RLM has zero problematic content, totally separate from whatever this is. lol. Keep the stale call-outs in your pockets.

The title says "Even Red Letter Media" for a reason.

Something feels off to me when we frame threads and discourse around the worst actors involved. This thread (and weirdly tortured syntax of its title) reads like yet another version going "you won't BELIEVE what the chuds are complaining about now!" When like, yeah, I would. They're the most predictable people on the planet. I don't care what they're filling in the Mad Libs with today.

They see a bunch of middle-aged white dudes from Milwaukee that aren't performantly progressive and they just assume they're "one of their own"

These chuds truly don't understand how off-putting their takes and beliefs come off to "normal people".

Milwaukee is HEAVILY Democratic though. Why do they assume it’s like the heart of the Republicans headquarters? 

[benji]

That TikTok video has all kinds of comments demanding to know how they could pass "the security clearance."

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/even-redlettermedia-have-fallen-to-the-woke-mob-by-having-the-obviously-awful-take-that-furiosa-isn’t-bad-at-all-because-of-a-female-lead-character.888759/

Can’t wait for people to post the receipts on RLM being a bunch of misogynists a decade ago.

Still gonna always side eye them for their Captain Marvel review.

So, if you actually watch their content then you'd know while they are "liberal" they are very much WHITE liberals. There's been plenty of problematic content over the years that's very "centrist" and "why are we talking about racism?" and "do we need black or woman led superhero films?" You see this in their Black Panther review, their Wonder Woman review, Captain Marvel review, hell they had a whole bit in their review of Red Tails way back making fun of George Lucas claiming it was the first Black led Hollywood action/war film. And how Hollywood wouldn't make this film.

And here's the thing, as bad as Red Tails was, Lucas was right. But they used examples like Glory as an example that he's a doddering old man, Glory...the film which stars Matthew Broderick as the lead, you know...a white guy. So, proving Lucas' point.

I was actually thinking about making a whole thread about their Andor review because of how hilariously bad it was. Note, Rich and Mike really liked Andor, but essentially all of the political subtext went right the fuck over their heads. For instance, they legitimately thought and wanted Syril to team up with Andor and didn't understand his further descent to the Empire.

EDIT:

Oh, and let's not even talk about that rambling diversity section of their The Force Awakens review from so long ago. Which again is beating around the bush to say, "do we really need a female lead Jedi? Do we really need a black lead co-star? This kinda seems like Disney pandering."

Agree with all this. I got turned off of them quite a while back for those takes. I mean it's no wonder those haters thought they were on their side.

Yeah, well said. I will add queer to the disenfranchised folks RLM have not been so good in speaking about, but racial and gender shit are the big ones for them that they have been slop as fuck on. They are totally those guys, you described it perfectly. The time period you specifically reference is like…not super flattering to reflect on

I do think these guys have good, well-developed critical minds for media and I will always be interested in what they have to say about stuff. But they are still assholes lol

That's the thing, I no longer really believe that. They have well intentions, but the amount of shit that flies over their head makes me question how critical their minds are beyond the most obvious shit. I've dropped off for a while, but that recent Andor review kinda just brought it all back into focus.

I googled TheQuarteing. This dude looks like an expert when it comes to women. LMFAO.

The scary part? He's married.
Or was, I don't know (or care). But somehow this basement-pissing Nazi got married.

No piss shaming!

[benji]

Yeah, I've felt this a lot. It's gotten to the point the word 'chud' has sort of just dulled in my mind from being brought up unprompted and unprovoked everywhere when almost any piece of media is brought up. It's chud this, chud that, look at the chuds, etc. etc. and it's all so unnecessary and just sort of drags things into the muck imo. Isn't the point of this forum to be sort of progressive, to be a place for better-faith discussion? There's a time and a place for such topics, but it so often goes way beyond where it makes sense imo.

I don't get what some threads/posts on some spaces online of that sort of attitude are even supposed to accomplish discussion-wise other than a cheap thrill of feeling superior. That, or on some rarer occasions used as a cudgel against disliking a work for more innocent reasons just because the absolute worst-faith actors also dislike said thing.

Worse yet, I think people who bring said worst actors up unprompted and so often are themselves contributing to this culture war bullshit, where these works with more diverse casts/crew can't ever exist or be discussed without that culture war bullshit being dragged in - not even on a site that seems tailor-made to let those works be normal and accepted and discussed and opinions shared free of this bad-faith shit. It depresses me that diverse works seem to be doomed to forever only be discussed centered through the lens of how bigoted reactionaries react to them rather than on their own terms.

I dunno, just rubs me the wrong way.

chud alert

[benji]

I genuinely hope Rich is embarrassed about some of the racist bullshit he spewed in old BotW episodes. There's that one episode where he prank calls someone and just does a really shitty and racist "Asian voice" and every time I remember it I cringe so hard that a layer of my skin peels off and runs into the ocean to drown itself. Colin actually calls it out audibly in the episode and I will never forget that "this racism is killing me" response from him.

I do think that they are cognizant of the flaws of their old material and actively working to be better than they used to be, but they still have their blind spots.

RLM definitely have enough instances of bullshit they've pulled over the past decade plus. Alot of it is indefensible.

I used to watch them regularly with a group of friends, but the BotW where Rich Evans did his awful, racist impersonation of an Asian language stereotype instantly turned us off and pretty much no one in my group kept watching anything of their afterwards.

I've watched content of theirs since, and yeh there is this sense of "out of touch middle aged white nerds" which basically informs everything they do. I do find the group just talking about stuff (like their BotW stuff) is a lot better than their attempts to actually analyse or assess media. When they're just talking about stuff they seem genuinely well meaning e.g. in recent years they've gone out of their way to make it clear they don't actually endorse the content of a bad/awful movie, and there's less of that edgy, off the cuff humour. Rich Evans seems to have chilled out a lot as well and has reigned in some of that edgy shit he used to pull out at any opportunity. Not that it excuses or makes up for any of it.

So they can hit the mark on really obvious things (racism bad, sexism bad, homophobia bad) but then you get them complaining about female or POC leads in movies where they try to have a "nuanced" or centrist take but they clearly don't have any experience or exposure to a perspective outside of theirs on the subject. Many people rightfully bring up their Andor review which totally missed the point of the show which is hilarious given how deep into Star Wars and sci-fi they are. That's an example I think that kinda summarises the groups perspective on thing's outside their bubble - they "get it" but they don't get it.

I cannot believe we both posted about the same racist Rich Evans incident at the exact same time. Insane coincidence.

Yeeeesh, I had mercifully never seen whatever episode that was. I feel like fake asian accents and other such racially insensitive gags are way too common both online and off still. Got an uncle who still makes ching-chong noises whenever an asian person is on TV and it drives me mad.

They might not be as bad as others, but I still can't look pass their bullshit from the past that has been mentioned ITT, especially the shit in BOTW. They're clearly a group of extremely privileged white guys, and it shows.

Yeah, I struggle with RedLetterMedia a lot, precisely for the reasons described here. I won't deny that I still watch their content now and again, but while they are clearly not the alt-right zealots some have accused them of being in the past, they clearly ride the wave of white-cis-middle-class liberalism that leads to some pretty awful takes.

Just a lot of "it doesn't personally bother me and wasn't a big deal in the eighties so we should just get over it" kind of detachment. I find that Mike in particular tends to fall into this trap of equating cynicism with enlightenment. Yes the suits at movie studios won't greenlight any decision if they don't think it will make them money. That doesn't mean that representation isnt still important in the arts and media.

But then Mike also gave us that really good Prey review where he spends a good chunk of time specifically mocking men for whom seeing a women as the lead of a fantasy action film as a bridge too far.

Wild, why would they think RLM is on their sides. Was there something to suggest this I wasn't aware of. Always feel like they're a liberal progressive bunch

They accrued enough of a pattern over the years of things like taking random potshots at diversity in film, trans jokes, "SJW" comments, that coupled with what seems to be their policy of not explicitly defining where they lie politically, that they kind of became a rorschach test, and a lot of chuds assumed they were on that MAGA shit.

And then there's Rich. I don't know what the fuck is up with Rich.

Ugh, they're just so white. And male. And cis. And middle class. The privilege just oozes out like Eminem. Never saying truly challenging things about the status quo by backing every dominant elite media trend and doing meaningless sighing about *waves hands at everything*, instead they just play it safe instead of praising Disney's great achievements for liberation from capitalism by commodifying mere existence and selling it back to us to show it SEES US.

[Boredfrom]

I'm pretty sensitive to the Midnight's Edge fuckwits so I was always annoyed that people threw RLM in with that lot of assholes.

Jessie Gender's video on the alt-right loving Picard put it exactly this way. They aren't courting the right and grifting from them . They are just ignorant middle Americans.

“They are ignorant Americans, Jessie Gender told me too”.

 

Imagine enjoying something without trying to link it to culture war shit.

Yeah it's always been very clear to me that they're just standard white guys, with all the good and bad that entails.

Charming.

[benji]

Jesse Gender looks pretty fucking white to me.  

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Also they're way more ignorant than the RLM guys.

[D3RANG3D]

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[Boredfrom]

“Why those chuds from RLM are yet to see the masterpiece that is Andor?” 


They watch Andor and make a video about it.

“Why are those crackers are having a bad opinion about Andor?”  

[Averon]

They talk in that RLM thread like being a midwest, middle-aged white guy is an original sin.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/saudi-games-company-wants-to-deepen-nintendo-capcom-ties.888774/

"One of the main areas is how do we collaborate on localization products, and help Japanese intellectual properties grow in a region that right now is underserved because very little is localized," Prince Faisal bin Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud, vice chair of Savvy Games Group, told Nikkei Asia.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/venom-the-last-dance-official-trailer-oct-25-tom-hardy-juno-temple-chiwetel-ejiofor.887934/page-6?post=123878997#post-123878997

my boyfriends <3<3<3
I hope they don't die or get separarted, just want my gay alien plural lovers to be happy. Love them so much, they're like the best plural rep we've got

[Averon]

I wonder when TwoHearts finally say something so crazy/unhinged that even the Reee mods have to perma ban them, will they still acknowledge TwoHeart's existence? Or will they put TwoHearts in the same doghouse as Enzom, someone to never be acknowledged again.

[benji]

They talk in that RLM thread like being a midwest, middle-aged white guy is an original sin.

Isn't it?

[benji]

It's like, we know exactly what you're going to say, so maybe shut up and let other people talk for a change?

But no, the white cishets continue to demand to speak.

[benji]

Don't think I'm not side-eyeing how white all our social studies emotes are right now:    

[benji]

Palate cleanser from the boring white cishets like  and their extreme privilege:

 

[kaleidoscopium]

Bottom middle of that crossword says “chomos” 

[Steven Snell]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/venom-the-last-dance-official-trailer-oct-25-tom-hardy-juno-temple-chiwetel-ejiofor.887934/page-6?post=123878997#post-123878997

my boyfriends <3<3<3
I hope they don't die or get separarted, just want my gay alien plural lovers to be happy. Love them so much, they're like the best plural rep we've got

I always think twohearts can't go to places where I'm surprised anymore... but fair fucks they continue to do it.