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[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/august-29-2024-the-hill-harris-says-she-would-appoint-a-republican-to-her-cabinet.967800/page-3#post-127917282

User Banned (3 days): Hostility toward another member

Learn a little bit of politics.

Oh fuck you. Republicans are fucking bastards even if half the country is dumb and bigoted enough to follow them. Don't "both sides" this shit.

[D3RANG3D]

Yes both sides are just as retarded as each other.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-ot-calling-all-freegunners-56k-warning.957465/page-45#post-127903875

User banned (permanent): Troll account

Why are you even in here? Don't you have some single player game to go play?

People like you are actively making this site worse.
Put the thread on ignore and be done with it.

Or you could ignore me and be done with it, I'm not obligated to conform to your opinions. If you want to talk about the game exclusively with other fans of it, maybe consider Discord?

  
to this banned poster for posting the following gif in response to one of SunnyD's effusive praise posts:

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Said user is probably just having an off day given that they have mentioned being towards the tail-end of terminal cancer in the recent past.

That is sad actually… I dunno if browsing Resetera should be top priority. Misery loves company but there should be happier places to past your last days.

Not that long ago he was permanently banned for being a miserable, hostile arsehole. I was surprised to see he was back. Not surprised he is still a miserable, hostile arsehole.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/brazil-top-judge-orders-suspension-of-elon-musks-twitter.968790/page-2#post-127955169

You keep ignoring the reasoning behind "the site needs to die" without offering a solution to the problem.

What do you propose in place of a ban?

With a normal business leader, they would reverse this shit real quick after the fear of a ban was put in front of them. So normally I would agree that a ban like this is the best solution to this problem.

But Twitter doesn't have a normal leader, they have Musk.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a better solution than the ban. It's just unfortunate that so many people's livelihoods are gonna be negatively affected by this and there aren't really better alternatives that they could run to.

Maybe "normal leaders" should resist states that want to police "truth" on platforms?

[Polident]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/august-29-2024-the-hill-harris-says-she-would-appoint-a-republican-to-her-cabinet.967800/page-3#post-127917282

User Banned (3 days): Hostility toward another member

Learn a little bit of politics.

Oh fuck you. Republicans are fucking bastards even if half the country is dumb and bigoted enough to follow them. Don't "both sides" this shit.

The basket of deplorables line sure helped Hillary win in 2016. Being a spiteful maniac who sees half the country as irredeemable unpersons is a dynamite way to garner support and seem affable.

[benji]

Yes, that isn't easy, but that's the fault of Musk, Twitter (X), the risk of building your complete network and livelihood on the back of one company and goverments allowing social networks to get too big without regulations.

"Hey you, your social network is too popular!"

This feels bad considering how many marginalized people and groups organize and communicate via Twitter?

It's kinda bad that their ability to organize and communicate lies at the whims of one petulant manchild.

Whose fault is this if true?

Pressuring Elon to actually do something about the nazi problem instead of taking away a communication tool that a metric fuckton of people around the world use for varying reasons?

Whilst racists were rioting in the UK and tried to burn down two hotels with asylum seekers in it, Musk was goading the UK prime minster and making them out to be freedom fighters.

He unbanned the big UK white nationalist around when he bought it allowing the man to mass up a significant following.

Twitter did nothing about the spread of fake news about the killer being a Muslim asylum seeker.

There were gangs of teens going into areas where they thought minorities lived smashing in windows of homes and jumping on cars and smashing those windows.

There was also a video of a brown person being pulled from their car and beaten until police chased them away.

It's a platform for stochastic terrorism.
And the people using it like normal provide the cover for that

What is the leverage over musk?
Americans have their freedom of speech so he's immune in his country.

100%, should of fallen under Internet hate crime laws (And general hate crime laws). Freedom of speech is a cancer if it's allowed to spread hate (And it's all fine saying it's a slippery slope but the right seem to be using that to their advantage).

"Freedom of speech is a cancer if it's allowed to spread things the state doesn't like. I'm a progressive."

I'm in the camp that to really be fixed, what the platform needs is 1) modest section 230 reform and 2) be busted open in terms of interoperability and management by antitrust, and I don't see how this gets us any closer to that.

"I'm in the camp that says terms I've heard other people say, I don't know what any of this actually means!"

It's not just freedom of speech that is stopping legislators from regulating these platforms, it's literally all of us. New York State passed a law recently that made it so that social media platforms had to offer basic timeline feeds to minors unless their parents give the ok, they'd get full platform functionality except for the fact they wouldn't have an algorithmic feed if they didn't have parental consent, and dudes came out of the woodwork against it. Not just free speech groups, LGBTQ+ groups, immigration advocates, and you name it. It's like nobody actually read the bill because none of the criticisms were actually real, it was all shit that anyone who had actually looked at what the bill did would see isn't what was happening. Across the political spectrum, there is very little appetite for regulating these platforms with even the bare minimum of rules designed to protect the most vulnerable among us. People are addicted to these apps and can't even acknowledge it.

Uh, that is a freedom of speech issue. It's saying you can't have anonymous or pseudonymous speech, B-DUBS.  

Freedom of speech to me does not mean "Freedom to be a fucking nazi"

Agreed, comrade. Now face the wall, Nazi.

Gabe Newell actively allows people to upload games where you assault people and even as recently as last year he said he doesn't believe in banning most games. Even a senator asked him why he allowed such content to thrive on his platform. "I'm not actively taking a stance" isn't much better than "Oh i'm DEFINITELY taking a stance." Both allow nazis to thrive and are the root cause of the issue. Best thing I can say about Musk is that at least he's an honest when Gabe is an example of the tolerance paradox.

Twitter is a Nazi platform because Musk is a Nazi. As long as he owns the platform it's not going to change.

The damage Twitter causes far outweighs everything else.

This is going to make browsing Era kind of inconvenient due to how much tweets are still embedded without a screenshot or copy of the content.

With it being basically an alt-right hate site at this point, I'm not really sure why it's still allowed.

I am not sure why x is allowed here tbh.

It's amusing seeing people call this censorship. lol

The state banning something because it refuses to ban things the state wants? How is that censorship?  

It's largely a problem of centralization. Fifteen years ago the internet was far less focused around a handful of websites. Back then something going viral would largely go unnoticed unless it was actually hurting real people, these days stuff going viral on twitter or tiktok is literally on the morning news. If we weren't as focused around these giga-sites it wouldn't be as big an issue.

The fuck are you talking about?  

Twitter is lost, and has been for quite a while now. Its way past time to realize that.

It's not something separate from Elon Musk and his ambitions.

The fact that all the other big social media platforms are run by tech shitheads is all the more reason to create and bolster alternatives that aren't ultimately in thrall to their egos and bottom lines.

Who's stopping you?

Speaking as an artist, you say this as if people care about us like that.

Regardless, this is all a fine case for some significant levels of regulation to befall these social media companies, perhaps to the point that they are nationally regulated in a similar way as public services.

Damn, that sounds like a hierarchy. Also what public services like this do you think are nationally regulated?

[Boredfrom]

Musk is a cunt but I don’t exactly trust Lula government. He may be better than Bolsonaro, but is not saying much.

[benji]

He should have told those other countries to fuck off too.

That's the lunacy of the ResetERA.com position, they want other countries to control the information on social media including ResetERA.com. Even as they've been banning people for letting them know that China Don't Care. You know what other places aren't Western hyper progressive online safe space bastions? Brazil. India. The UK. aka any other place that might want to do this.

ACAB unless the cops are demanding control over the flow of information, then fuck the marginalized. Give me that boot while you creampie my holes, daddy state. We can trust you even more than Activision, Sony and Ubisoft. 

[Boredfrom]

He should have told those other countries to fuck off too.

Well, that is the reason why I don’t believe Elon is a Pro free speech crusader. And if he is genuinely trying, he is doing such a piss poor job that should embarrass everyone. 

I just feel dirty that RE is celebrating that a government is issuing fines for using VPN in a social media site.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Constructive:

I just want some clarification on the rules before I start reporting posts, but what are the rules about attacking journalists/publications?

In the WuKong exclusivity thread I’ve been seeing a lot of comments attacking IGN or comparing their report to a bunch of nobodies on Twitter, or acting like IGN was simply making up the information in their article, and many comments make me uncomfortable and veer a tad too close to “ethics in gaming journalism” for my tastes but I don’t want to report several posts if there aren’t specific rules against this

 

They're asking for a friend 

[benji]

Mommy and mommy are fighting:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

[Daffy Duck]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pizza-hut-offers-new-moving-box-table.968934/post-127964586

Princess Bubblegum

Is this targeted at privileged U-Haul lesbians? Cause that's what the promo picture is telling me.

"They're totally lesbians, just like me!!"

The picture is just two women sitting on the floor eating pizza.

Why are these dudes so fucking creepy?

They’re so fucking weird!

Two women hanging out? OH THEY MUST BE LESBIANS LIKE I AM UWU

Again, you aren’t a lesbian, you’re a guy who likes women.

[benji]

After they got done eating pizza do you think they were too full to also eat some pussy?

GOD I LOVE BEING A LESBIAN AND EATING BOX, GETTING THOSE CUNT JUICES ALL OVER MY LESBIAN FACE  

It's just so heartwarming and comfy to finally see some wlw representation in Pizza Hut ads. 

[Polident]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pizza-hut-offers-new-moving-box-table.968934/post-127964586

Princess Bubblegum

Is this targeted at privileged U-Haul lesbians? Cause that's what the promo picture is telling me.

"They're totally lesbians, just like me!!"

The picture is just two women sitting on the floor eating pizza.

Why are these dudes so fucking creepy?

They’re so fucking weird!

Two women hanging out? OH THEY MUST BE LESBIANS LIKE I AM UWU

Again, you aren’t a lesbian, you’re a guy who likes women.

Yes, but imagine your only reference for women is from watching pornography? Have some empathy.

[benji]

Yes, but imagine your only reference for women is from watching pornography? Have some empathy.

Are you saying sex workers aren't women?

[benji]

Hopefully Brazil has opened the floodgates for Elon's malignant e-tumor to be nuked out of several countries.

Lol fuck Elon

But fining people using a VPN for it is disgusting

Hopefully the VPN enforcement isn't very strict, the fine seems excessive. The optimist would hope that it's used to target people they were trying to get off the platform originally.

I only see upsides for Brazil.

It's been an awful night. So many utterly bad takes from the usual people saying how this is censorship and that Xandao was in the wrong, while completely ignoring Elon Musk childish behaviour, not wanting to conform to our laws.

I won't miss the site at all. Been not using it for a decade. Feel bad for people who liked, but they'll adapt and survive.

I mean, this kind of thing happening and tons of creatives and their communities getting screwed over was a foregone conclusion once Musk bought the platform.

There's just no way around the fact that the site is being used to spread fascism worldwide by a rich, fascist narcissist.

I am not sure why x is allowed here tbh.

Tbh it is weird everyone cheering about a gov banning it on a private forum that cbf banning it, despite so much other stuff being banned here.

haha I hope more marginalized people and artists lose their only means of survival and reactionary cops can further restrict political discourse that offends them 

just hope the police don't harm too many people too much enforcing this law that bans an entire country from simply looking at a website that offends the cops with too much speech they don't care for 

[benji]

Jamie, pull up the thread about the U.S. banning TikTok.

[Snoopy]

Ponies Assemble 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-concord-is-estimated-to-have-sold-only-25-000-units.969027/

[DocWager]

Came in here out of curiosity and saw a stray thrown at Overwatch. Trying to figure out how in the entire fuck Illari is male gazey. Also very weird to leave out women and nb characters like Zarya, Moira, Venture, Ana, Pharah.

That's it; that all I have to contribute.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-debuts-on-steam-with-600-player-ccu.962340/page-91#post-127965969

“Uhhhhhhh… I just happened to walk-in.”

Shut the fuck up, cop.

[Nintex]

Ponies Assemble 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ign-concord-is-estimated-to-have-sold-only-25-000-units.969027/

Not surprised and a bounce backs seems unlikely.
It would've probably helped if the game wasn't mid but simply dog shit. If that happens there is a 'redemption' with patches and people checking out the 'fixed' game. 

Probably best to bundle it with the PS5 / PS5 Pro for the holiday season to try and drive up the number of players and get rid of the leftover stock.

[malfoyking]

Even the buff Overwatch lady has a pretty face, now that I look at her.

Disney makes all their CGI movie characters to be cute. But I'm sure these assholes would call Elsa male gazy.

[Boredfrom]

Nah, I beg to differ.

The discussions would be much more different if it doesn't affect Sony directly. People wouldn't care less if it's any other service game. Would the same people be happy when a service game from other published failed? Perhaps, but not for the same reason as Concord.

Concord is part of Sony's gaas strategy, so with the game failing it may fit their wish of Sony bailing from that strategy and come back to focusing on single player games. It basically boils down to that.

Big factor for sure. Those people and the anti diversity people have merged together into one very huge group around this game, which has created a very negative word of mouth.

That and the fact that they were already facing an uphill battle with the $40 pricetag, so people aren't going to think for themselves on this one.

“Think for yourself and waste 40 dollars in a death game.”

[Snoopy]

This is something people seem to not be capable of accepting when talking about Concord. They think it was "rejected" by ALL of gamers. They think there is no audience for the game, because people looked at the character designs and rejected them. But I've been saying, people don't know about this game. It's not even on the radar. The game was announced a mere 2ish months before launch and had little awareness raised around it. It didn't even have a steam page to follow for weeks after the announcement. There were a lot of unknowns about the game until the beta (and even after in terms of cosmetics and unlocks). How can hype and WOM form about so many unknowns, in such a short period of time? Only chuds used this to create negativity (and of course people are like, no way chuds don't matter!). Anyway, I think the lesson here is that failing to find an audience doesn't necessarily mean there is no audience. And a game isn't bad just cause it doesn't.

FWIW, the only reason I didn't buy it is because the specs are a little too high for my taste. I don't like when a game runs maybe 60 fps. I am used to 120+fps, so I'll get it when I upgrade my CPU if it's still going. I do think they should have targeted lower specs.

I won't argue that f2p wouldn't help. I don't think it's obviously a silver bullet either. They'd have to attract and hold WAY more players since the vast majority do not spend significantly.

 

The chuds. The chuds. The chuds.


Also bonus Crossing Eden bitch fight starts on page 2

[HaughtyFrank]

This is something people seem to not be capable of accepting when talking about Concord. They think it was "rejected" by ALL of gamers. They think there is no audience for the game, because people looked at the character designs and rejected them. But I've been saying, people don't know about this game. It's not even on the radar. The game was announced a mere 2ish months before launch and had little awareness raised around it. It didn't even have a steam page to follow for weeks after the announcement. There were a lot of unknowns about the game until the beta (and even after in terms of cosmetics and unlocks). How can hype and WOM form about so many unknowns, in such a short period of time? Only chuds used this to create negativity (and of course people are like, no way chuds don't matter!). Anyway, I think the lesson here is that failing to find an audience doesn't necessarily mean there is no audience. And a game isn't bad just cause it doesn't.

FWIW, the only reason I didn't buy it is because the specs are a little too high for my taste. I don't like when a game runs maybe 60 fps. I am used to 120+fps, so I'll get it when I upgrade my CPU if it's still going. I do think they should have targeted lower specs.

I won't argue that f2p wouldn't help. I don't think it's obviously a silver bullet either. They'd have to attract and hold WAY more players since the vast majority do not spend significantly.

 

The chuds. The chuds. The chuds.


Also bonus Crossing Eden bitch fight starts on page 2

Valorant was released about 3 months after it was announced

[DocWager]

I hate the excuse of advertising being the issue. There have been many games in the last decade that came out of nowhere without a single commercial and sold millions of copies. Helldivers II had almost zero advertising leading up to its release. Yet it was one of the biggest sellers of the year. Concord was the big showcase two months ago. What was the reaction? “I hope this isn’t another hero shooter”. Why was that the case? Because PS5 owners legitimately want Sony’s next big thing to be a single player game, and not some 3rd rate Overwatch. If this was a lower rung Sony game in a year where they were pumping out 1st party games, then that is fine. But this is was presented as a big deal, and it was clear it wasn’t.

[MMM]

Remember when Threads released and there was a massive thread on there about how everyone was moving to Threads and it was going to be great? Then when anyone mentioned how Facebook/Zuck are almost certainly worse than anything Musk could do, they were shut down and told to shut the fuck up. 

I don't like Musk. Guy is a clown and has the dumbest ideas for Twitter. Just pure stupidity across the board. But anyone celebrating a government blocking Twitter is utterly insane. This is especially important in developing nations like Brazil, that have a high level of corruption in society. Twitter serves as an important tool for people to document the fucked up shit that is going on around them. When something fucked up happens anywhere in the world, you head to Twitter to see the people impacted by it reporting on it. You don't go to traditional media for that. Twitter allows you to see exactly what is going on, as it happens. If you are too much of a dumb cunt to tell between what is real and misinformation, that is on you.

[Uncle]

This is something people seem to not be capable of accepting when talking about Concord. They think it was "rejected" by ALL of gamers. They think there is no audience for the game, because people looked at the character designs and rejected them. But I've been saying, people don't know about this game. It's not even on the radar. The game was announced a mere 2ish months before launch and had little awareness raised around it. It didn't even have a steam page to follow for weeks after the announcement. There were a lot of unknowns about the game until the beta (and even after in terms of cosmetics and unlocks). How can hype and WOM form about so many unknowns, in such a short period of time? Only chuds used this to create negativity (and of course people are like, no way chuds don't matter!). Anyway, I think the lesson here is that failing to find an audience doesn't necessarily mean there is no audience. And a game isn't bad just cause it doesn't.

FWIW, the only reason I didn't buy it is because the specs are a little too high for my taste. I don't like when a game runs maybe 60 fps. I am used to 120+fps, so I'll get it when I upgrade my CPU if it's still going. I do think they should have targeted lower specs.

I won't argue that f2p wouldn't help. I don't think it's obviously a silver bullet either. They'd have to attract and hold WAY more players since the vast majority do not spend significantly.

 

The chuds. The chuds. The chuds.


Also bonus Crossing Eden bitch fight starts on page 2

Valorant was released about 3 months after it was announced

this is another one of those stupid things that gets criticized no matter what you do

nintendo announces games a year or two before release, sometimes even encounters trouble like with prime 4, and that's a problem because the hype cycle is too long or something

so then the whole industry gradually moves to just a few months before release, and now that's also a bad decision?

[Uncle]

I remember some of this guy's posts, don't remember whether this one was posted but holy shit

https://www.resetera.com/threads/concord-ot-calling-all-freegunners-56k-warning.957465/page-45#post-127904529

Starting to experience longer queue times 😢

Yeah sadly my queues were definitely a bit longer today. And I wonder what the impact of the upcoming football season will have on the game here in the States. I say that as someone who will also be eyeball deep in way too much televised sports far too often.

It's just so ridiculous how much downright spite people have. People really will cut off their nose to spite their faces. Cause damn this game is ridiculously amazing and anyone who plays a serious breadth of games can realize this, but the denial of it is next level stuff. But instead of being open minded, closed-mindedness assumption is the name of the game today. And as I've said in here and around before, I myself am also guilty of this too.

When people say things like they "feel like they are taking crazy pills" in regards to the discourse and perception, well, it says a lot. Not about that person's judgement. No, it says a lot about the other people trying to assert influence and the things they are saying. It's incredibly shitty, because while art is of course subjective and people are free to feel any kind of way about things, this game's reception has been absolute horseshit of the highest degree.

"Don't believe your eyes and ears." x1000000000000000

I told someone this last night:

I don't and wouldn't spend a single second of my time, let alone a cent of my money, on something like 98% of F2P multiplayer games out there. That's how low I think of them.

But I'd spend $600+ to just play this one, singular game. Actually, that I'd go even further, I'd pay $2000+ USD to exclusively play this game. That's how high quality I think this is; I value it to that degree in just this short amount of time playing (about 60 total hours now across the Open Beta and retail).

I go where the games I want to play are, and games I value, I spend my money. And I am willing to spend quite a bit of it for things I think are genuinely special and quality. And I am also extremely exclusive with what time and money I spend on video games too, and this game is worth all the time, and all the money.

All of this is said as someone who owns all current console hardware, many complete sets of legacy console hardware, a PC, and a smartphone. I've played quite a bit of games in my time.

So all this talk around this game is cute af to me.

also with people there talking about their queue times and such, presumably actually playing, it's crazy to think that resetera could legitimately be 5 to 10% of the entire playerbase right now

[Nintex]

Remember when Threads released and there was a massive thread on there about how everyone was moving to Threads and it was going to be great? Then when anyone mentioned how Facebook/Zuck are almost certainly worse than anything Musk could do, they were shut down and told to shut the fuck up. 

I don't like Musk. Guy is a clown and has the dumbest ideas for Twitter. Just pure stupidity across the board. But anyone celebrating a government blocking Twitter is utterly insane. This is especially important in developing nations like Brazil, that have a high level of corruption in society. Twitter serves as an important tool for people to document the fucked up shit that is going on around them. When something fucked up happens anywhere in the world, you head to Twitter to see the people impacted by it reporting on it. You don't go to traditional media for that. Twitter allows you to see exactly what is going on, as it happens. If you are too much of a dumb cunt to tell between what is real and misinformation, that is on you.

It's interesting how Zuckerberg came out to basically admit he was wrong about going along with the Biden-Harris censorship regime.
Imagine if Trump did that, calling on social-media platforms to silence his political opponents.

In Europe the discussion in general is also about finding ways to ban, censor and block X following the example of Brazil.  
The insane letter the EU bureaucrat wrote to Musk before his Trump interview is just the beginning.