Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Jansen]

Completely out of the loop about this bloober situation. Basic search, they're a polish developer? Only game I recognize is Observer. There's nothing controversial or noteworthy either way.

Eh the medium has some serious sympathy for the villain bullshit.

[DavidCroquet]

Completely out of the loop about this bloober situation. Basic search, they're a polish developer? Only game I recognize is Observer. There's nothing controversial or noteworthy either way.

The controversial-ness is basically "their games are kinda mid". So people were worried about how Silent Hill 2 remake would turn out when they knew Bloober was associated.

But of course the internet got involved, and "mid games" is not a stirring enough battlecry. So the narrative expanded it into being the team are misogynist neurobigots etc. because the story in some of their games is side-eye worthy. Now Silent Hill 2 turned out to be really good, and everyone* lost out on a highly anticipated Discourse Opportunity.

*insane people only.

[nachobro]

Completely out of the loop about this bloober situation. Basic search, they're a polish developer? Only game I recognize is Observer. There's nothing controversial or noteworthy either way.

they make okay games with god awful stories and SH2 fans are fucking insane weirdos that think that game is absolute perfection so of course they had a lil autism fit when it wasn't going to be an exact clone (like losing their mind over car doors being closed in the background when they were open in the OG) and made by a mid developer

[Nintex]

as usual we are ahead of the curve

[Jansen]

as usual we are ahead of the curve

Why did glamor put her in a potato sack

[DavidCroquet]

I don't want to turn this into a reaction thread, but in a sense, it has to be in order for any meaningful discussion surrounding this topic.

Era is definitely one of the better places to discuss games. One thing I've seen crop up time and time again though, especially when it comes to a beloved series, is outright hate, dismissal and just straight up unacceptable garbage.

Shit like... This.

Again, Era is a lot better than most places at dealing with this type of crap.

Some game developers or games get a certain stigma attached to them. Whether it's justified or not, people use that as fuel to be overly harsh, condemn any future project and just use it to spread outright hate.

Even people who haven't touched their stuff, spread this distrust/hate.

I'm obviously talking about Bloober.

For 2 straight years, I've seen almost nothing but straight up hate for these developers.

No matter how genuine their attempt at faithfully remaking one of the most influential horror games of all time were, even to the original developers, the hate kept on spreading.

The disconnect from what I was seeing to what I was reading didn't really start to shift until fairly recently.

This thread is from August of this year. The devs were genuinely asking for a chance to prove themselves. This was the response. Just please... Read it and tell me with a straight face that some of it isn't toxic. It was way worse when the game was announced... But it was still present. This is not the only game I've seen this happen to.

The thing is... No matter your dislike, unless the devs have done something straight up criminal, I can't be the only one who finds this shit toxic and unacceptable. It shouldn't be happening, period.

People will happily "eat crow", say they're "surprised" and yes, the devs must be elated by the glowing reviews... But this won't stop unless we do better.

Even if the game reviewed in the 70's, it still wouldn't warrant the hate, it still wouldn't be acceptable.

We really, really need to do better. Or else there'll be another project/game facing the same kind of vitriol. It genuinely makes me not want to engage in this hobby.

Younger me was guilty of similar types of behavior, but I try to catch myself nowadays.

Being considerate is not a bad thing at all. The anonymity of the internet unfortunately makes it way easier for people to engage in this way.

I know we're way better than that. Even if we aren't - We can be.

Lol. What an absolute weasel. The only reason this cunt is up on his high horse trying to shame the rees is because for once he didn’t join the pile on.

If it makes you feel better, much of the conversation has winded it's way to the natural Era position of "actually, even IF it is good, it is right and correct to assume the worst at all times, and I will continue to do so."

For most rational people, cynicism isn't inherent, it's earned and learned. Bloober has the reputation they have because their output prior to Silent Hill 2 was genuinely abhorrent. Their franchise work (like in Blair Witch) was ill-fitting of its IP, their original titles (like the Layers of Fear games and The Medium) were not only technical disasters, but insipid, rote, and — in the case of The Medium — downright offensive, narratively speaking. They hadn't earned the benefit of the doubt, and games are both an artistic and capitalistic venture.

I'm not shelling out anywhere between $20 - $120 on a video game because I like donating to charity, I'm purchasing a product that I want to extract entertainment from. If you've failed to deliver that enjoyment multiple times over across multiple different titles, you're not entitled to my goodwill and you're certainly not entitled to my money. The onus is on the team, and by extension, the product. You impress me, you entertain me, you get my enthusiasm and my money.

In the specific case of Silent Hill 2, well, we're in pretty uncharted territory! Konami essentially called up the AA benchwarmers in the last inning of the World Series and somehow, miraculously, they knocked it out of the park and brought home the Commissioner's Trophy. It shouldn't have worked based on everything we know about Bloober through their past work, but they've seemingly rallied, given it their all, and done the near-impossible. As a Silent Hill fan (and a stalwart in the "Bloober Team must stay within 100 feet of me at all times" camp), they've earned goodwill the good ol' fashioned way — they made a good game that I'm happy to play and spend my money on. The pendulum is swinging. They're not in the dog house anymore, and I can approach their next set of projects with a healthy (but cautious) optimism. I get to say "yeah, there was Layers of Fear, and Layers of Fear 2, and Observer, and Blair Witch, and The Medium, and Layers of Fear: Reloaded, but these are the folks that managed to deliver a respectful, effective, fun remake of one of my favorite video games ever made, so let's give this a chance!" You don't get good will in the form of a blank check, you have to earn it before you have something you can spend. With Silent Hill, Bloober just got a little richer.

 

Yes they're making art and they've made art that has in many cases been seriously upsetting or distressing to me in the ways that they've chosen to depict certain subject matter.

I'm sorry but I can't exist in a reality where I'm supposed to look beyond that and hope, every time, that they get better at it, and keep giving them the benefit of the doubt when it all reached a confluence in The Medium, their last release, to then become something that wasn't just upsetting or distressing, but what I (and many others here) felt was actually harmful and dangerous.

The benefit of the doubt only goes so far.

Uh-oh...gotta be vigilant against harm. Harm is dangerous!

I'm just going to be honest - if a writer repeatedly tells racist or homophobic stories, I'm not going to expect him to "grow out of it" with his next project. I'm going to assume he's still a racist or still a homophobe until he provides me actionable reasons to believe he's changed and that he regrets his past work.

Similarly, Bloober has a proven history of tackling sensitive topics with some of the worst viewpoints and perspectives possible. This just appears to be how their writers and creative leads see the world. So until I see actual proof - not marketing and not hype - that they've grown past those beliefs, I'm not going to assume they have.

I do this for my own emotional safety and my own mental health. I don't have any interest in spending money on a gamble just to see if people who have repeatedly let me down are going to NOT do that for the first time ever.

Makes sense. PlaSma is a paragon of emotional stability and good mental health.

[saltygeneraltso]

You guys think the Silent Hill 2 remake is actually good because it's getting good reviews from games journalists? Did you all go retarded overnight? 

Bloober games are shit and it's like the only thing era has ever been right about. 

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Still playing through it and anticipating that it will do well.

Sorry I called you retards earlier in the post, it's just Gell-Mann Amnesia, keep dunking, love you all.

[benji]

Yes they're making art and they've made art that has in many cases been seriously upsetting or distressing to me in the ways that they've chosen to depict certain subject matter.

Does "gobs of precum" know you're saying this about artists?

[benji]

These people are literally old children who don't want to stop believing in magic. Fucking insane.

Conspiracy theories aren't about logical thinking, they're about trying to allay fear. Conspiracy theorists can't handle the fact that horrible things happen for no good reason every day of the week, they can't handle the randomness of it all. If bad shit just happens for no reason then there's nothing to do but react when it does.

Conspiracy theories are all about controlling that randomness. Those horrible random acts that destroy people's lives? Not random, just part of a plan by some secret higher power. If it's part of a plan that means it can be fought and defeated and if it can be fought and defeated it's not quite as scary.

People are afraid and can't handle the world being a place where random horrible shit happens for no reason, so they invent a reason so they don't have to be as afraid. The whole thing is just an unwillingness to accept that the world can be a horrible and needlessly cruel place at times.

All that said, once you reject the world as it is and start down that rabbit hole, there's no going back. That shit is like a virus, it takes hold and grows and you spread it to anyone who will listen. That's why it's important to deplatform and reject conspiracy nonsense whenever you see it. It only leads to dark places.

I'm sick of calling these people stupid. They have petty hearts and hateful minds open to any evil peddled their way.

A lot of conspiracy theorists want to feel part of larger narrative, something of biblical proportions. It makes them feel good about themselves. When reality gets in the way, it has to be twisted and broken to a puzzle piece for it to fit in their demented puzzle.

[TylenolJones]

Also I noticed the Resetera Trans Awareness sticky no longer exists. Nobody had posted in it for almost a month.

Once a month we review which threads are pinned, and this one has become a lot less active. Before this post the last activity was on the 9th of September, so we'd like to unpin it for now. The unfortunate truth of the matter is the longer a thread is pinned, the less people will notice it. If this thread becomes active again we can happily pin it once more.

Just a reminder, if any major updates come out about regarding this topic, feel free to start a new thread. So it can get new eyes.

Stay safe out there, my fellow trans siblings.

Trans genocide is over I guess. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-2024-and-yes-its-still-a-trans-genocide-an-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today-and-beyond.811257/page-4#post-129657420

[Nintex]

These people are literally old children who don't want to stop believing in magic. Fucking insane.

Conspiracy theories aren't about logical thinking, they're about trying to allay fear. Conspiracy theorists can't handle the fact that horrible things happen for no good reason every day of the week, they can't handle the randomness of it all. If bad shit just happens for no reason then there's nothing to do but react when it does.

Conspiracy theories are all about controlling that randomness. Those horrible random acts that destroy people's lives? Not random, just part of a plan by some secret higher power. If it's part of a plan that means it can be fought and defeated and if it can be fought and defeated it's not quite as scary.

People are afraid and can't handle the world being a place where random horrible shit happens for no reason, so they invent a reason so they don't have to be as afraid. The whole thing is just an unwillingness to accept that the world can be a horrible and needlessly cruel place at times.

All that said, once you reject the world as it is and start down that rabbit hole, there's no going back. That shit is like a virus, it takes hold and grows and you spread it to anyone who will listen. That's why it's important to deplatform and reject conspiracy nonsense whenever you see it. It only leads to dark places.

I'm sick of calling these people stupid. They have petty hearts and hateful minds open to any evil peddled their way.

A lot of conspiracy theorists want to feel part of larger narrative, something of biblical proportions. It makes them feel good about themselves. When reality gets in the way, it has to be twisted and broken to a puzzle piece for it to fit in their demented puzzle.

Plot twist

[benji]

Normies LARPing learning about the state is so cute, they'll be back to thinking monopolies "are good, actually" and begging GodKing Trump to regulate existence in no time.

[benji]

Also that's not a "plot twist" as the stuff being talked about in the thread involves literal weather direction by the state. (Bonus for the posters who immediately claim climate change is the reason hurricanes happen after insulting The Other for believing nonsense.)

[Jansen]

Utah State makes it 4 teams that have refused to play against a Trans Woman in Volleyball.

https://kutv.com/news/local/usu-joins-list-of-forfeits-protesting-transgender-player-on-san-jose-volleyball-team

Also I noticed the Resetera Trans Awareness sticky no longer exists. Nobody had posted in it for almost a month.

Somebody posted in it but they were erased for wrong think

[Taco Bell Tower]

Also I noticed the Resetera Trans Awareness sticky no longer exists. Nobody had posted in it for almost a month.

Once a month we review which threads are pinned, and this one has become a lot less active. Before this post the last activity was on the 9th of September, so we'd like to unpin it for now. The unfortunate truth of the matter is the longer a thread is pinned, the less people will notice it. If this thread becomes active again we can happily pin it once more.

Just a reminder, if any major updates come out about regarding this topic, feel free to start a new thread. So it can get new eyes.

Stay safe out there, my fellow trans siblings.

Trans genocide is over I guess. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-2024-and-yes-its-still-a-trans-genocide-an-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today-and-beyond.811257/page-4#post-129657420

Someone here pointed it out technically there was a post not too long ago but got deleted 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-thread-where-we-congratulate-bloober-team.1001049/page-3#post-129715071
Pedo Transistor

There's really nothing to discuss here, especially for a game that's not even out yet.

[Snoopy]

I suppose the JFK assassination was just some random, horrible event

[benji]

Wonder if the groups currently promoting another genocide got upset their genocide wasn't stickied and that one was. Maybe they even quit the staff in a huff and a banner to donate was put up as a compromise.

[Uncle]

"lol it was posted in but then they deleted the message"

 post what it was

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-2024-and-yes-its-still-a-trans-genocide-an-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today-and-beyond.811257/post-129318216

Hotel Security

I was turned off by the thread the second I saw "genocide" mentioned. I'm not a fan of people using harsh words to get attention or to exaggerate things. If you want people on your side with these issues, you need to not bulls*** them. Once I see someone using hyperbole, I'm out.

Goodnight sweet prince.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I don't want to turn this into a reaction thread, but in a sense, it has to be in order for any meaningful discussion surrounding this topic.

Era is definitely one of the better places to discuss games. One thing I've seen crop up time and time again though, especially when it comes to a beloved series, is outright hate, dismissal and just straight up unacceptable garbage.

Shit like... This.

Again, Era is a lot better than most places at dealing with this type of crap.

Some game developers or games get a certain stigma attached to them. Whether it's justified or not, people use that as fuel to be overly harsh, condemn any future project and just use it to spread outright hate.

Even people who haven't touched their stuff, spread this distrust/hate.

I'm obviously talking about Bloober.

For 2 straight years, I've seen almost nothing but straight up hate for these developers.

No matter how genuine their attempt at faithfully remaking one of the most influential horror games of all time were, even to the original developers, the hate kept on spreading.

The disconnect from what I was seeing to what I was reading didn't really start to shift until fairly recently.

This thread is from August of this year. The devs were genuinely asking for a chance to prove themselves. This was the response. Just please... Read it and tell me with a straight face that some of it isn't toxic. It was way worse when the game was announced... But it was still present. This is not the only game I've seen this happen to.

The thing is... No matter your dislike, unless the devs have done something straight up criminal, I can't be the only one who finds this shit toxic and unacceptable. It shouldn't be happening, period.

People will happily "eat crow", say they're "surprised" and yes, the devs must be elated by the glowing reviews... But this won't stop unless we do better.

Even if the game reviewed in the 70's, it still wouldn't warrant the hate, it still wouldn't be acceptable.

We really, really need to do better. Or else there'll be another project/game facing the same kind of vitriol. It genuinely makes me not want to engage in this hobby.

Younger me was guilty of similar types of behavior, but I try to catch myself nowadays.

Being considerate is not a bad thing at all. The anonymity of the internet unfortunately makes it way easier for people to engage in this way.

I know we're way better than that. Even if we aren't - We can be.

Lol. What an absolute weasel. The only reason this cunt is up on his high horse trying to shame the rees is because for once he didn’t join the pile on.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cynicism-surrounding-games-game-developers.1000449/
I love the OP's example was someone who got a month ban 

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-thread-where-we-congratulate-bloober-team.1001049/

More bloober fun. Let's join Era in celebrating the underdog that achieved what many thought was impossible.

Lol really. This doesn't seem necessary

Congrats Bloober, the Medium still sucked and skepticism was warranted

They did well with SH2, but let's not forget some of their fucked up decisions in The Medium.

yes yes, good game etc. but have you forgotten about their bad game?!

You haven't played the game yet. Most of us haven't. I have no reverence for Silent Hill 2. I don't care if it's faithful or whatever the fuck. I'm not invested in this weird Bloober team meme for the past few years at all, but let's not jump from "this game is going to be shit and I haven't played it, to this game is amazing and I still haven't played it.

I don't care. Here's a paragraph on the topic. Everyone should not care as much as I don't.
 

Congratulations on a job...done.

Please celebrate responsibly and in moderation.
 

Some of you are being so silly about this whole thing that it comes off super weird

Oh yeah, it is silly and weird how viciously negative--

Lol, every SH2 remake has been filled people talking how great this game will be and how the haters will eat crow. There was literally someone talking about a conspiracy by critics to rate the game lower just in case it didn't score well in the predication thread. This game has no lack of positivity

What are doing here lol

i think normally you'd just buy the game and play it

What? Is discussing games banned on Era or something?

I'm not happy with the way the remake came out but I'm sure the reception is of huge relief to the team, so congrats to them.

I haven't played it myself either, but my judgment is correct while yours maybe not so much.

There's really nothing to discuss here, especially for a game that's not even out yet.

And Transistor with the lock. Discussing games? That's banned on Era!
  

[Taco Bell Tower]

"lol it was posted in but then they deleted the message"

 post what it was

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-2024-and-yes-its-still-a-trans-genocide-an-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today-and-beyond.811257/post-129318216

Hotel Security

I was turned off by the thread the second I saw "genocide" mentioned. I'm not a fan of people using harsh words to get attention or to exaggerate things. If you want people on your side with these issues, you need to not bulls*** them. Once I see someone using hyperbole, I'm out.

Goodnight sweet prince.

I'll start bookmarking memorable posts 

[benji]

Are we really forgetting that Poland is an anti-LGBTQ+ country? And also home of CDPR? And another unrepentant Gamergater company, The Astronauts? Yet these chuds want to congratulate Bloober Team. In the middle of a genocide.

Might as well make a "thread where we congratulate Israel" if we're doing threads to praise the harmful and dangerous.

[jooseloose]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cynicism-surrounding-games-game-developers.1000449/post-129698091

The big issue for me isn't that there are cynics on era, it's that the cynics love to dominate every thread to talk about how they dislike X, Y or Z. Stating your opinion is fine but dominating every single thread on the subject is beyond obnoxious.

I wonder who they are referring to 

[benji]

Anyway, I don't care about Silent Hill at all but somebody can ping me if there's more I can complain about regarding it.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/driving-makes-me-so-anxious-i-have-a-license-and-pay-for-zipcar-but-i-have-to-force-myself-to-use-it-call-it-quits.1000359/

It just kills me that there's this thing millions of people do and I just can't get it. I dream of owning a Jeep one day and live in NYC. Shrink told me: "Why don't you just take it off the table?" For more context, I have been in cars with friends and totally choked and couldn't drive when asked to. My last incident in Albany , it was a whole bunch of us and they were egging me on to drive and I'm like "sure" . I ended up panicking at an exit because I was scared to miss the exit and parked in the dividing triangle thingy. My friend took over and was like "not today," So, that's how bad it is.

[HardcoreRetro]

I read on X (Twitter) Konami paid off reviewers with a trip to the Otherworld™.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

For remasters it's kinda confusing how certain companies prioritize certain games over others

Like Crystal Chronicles got a remaster before the FF13 trilogy. I know the trilogy is backwards compatible on the Xbox and available on Steam, but nothing for the PS4 or 5.

I'm wondering if Nintendo is sitting on a few remasters as well. Like Super Mario Galaxy 2, Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, etc.

[Besticus Maximus]

you’d think intersection experts would be into driving

[ComeAgain]

They are salty as fuck over it turning out so good, God it’s just 

Locking a harmless thread because it’s positive about a game? Since when does that happen just because it isn’t out yet? Thats the case, do away with review threads you morons