Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[kaleidoscopium]

That forums fascination with FD Signifier is so funny to me, guy is objectively retarded and they prop him up on this pedestal

Examples: 

[booomer]

https://nevadacurrent.com/2024/10/10/unlv-nevada-are-right-to-ignore-calls-to-boycott-volleyball-team-over-trans-player/

Women’s collegiate volleyball is the rage bait flavor of the month for conservative cultural warriors, who are calling for a boycott of San Jose State University’s team because they believe one of the players is trans.

Four universities so far have refused to play the team. The University of Nevada Las Vegas and the University of Nevada Reno are, thankfully, not among them. Both schools have gone on record saying they will play the San Jose Spartans as scheduled.

As they should.

Nevada’s public universities have a history of supporting trans students and denouncing bigotry. When Regent Patrick Boylan earlier this year referred to female trans athletes as “men masquerading as women” and blithely spoke of them having their “you-know-what cut off,” the pushback was immediate. Other regents and leaders immediately called him out for the disgusting and inappropriate comments.

Fast forward

https://www.outkick.com/sports/university-nevada-volleyball-forfeit-san-jose-state-transgender-blaire-fleming

[HaughtyFrank]

You know when, making your stupid, motivated reasoning, extremist point, it would help to actually do the easy job of cherrypicking in your favor and you couldn't even do that with the Terry Crews reference....

Brandon Fraser's abuser was also a man. When she's arguing she's always just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

[Nintex]

Alright, relax heads of AI Tech companies on The Bire. You don’t have to look down on the humans so much that still want to use their hands, and thoughts to create.

Don't worry we are very much in the business of promoting human creativity.
Tommorow my AI account manager is going to apply for a job at 300 companies with a job listing for account managers

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-starting-to-see-ai-art-prints-at-craft-shows-stores-and-its-making-me-sad.1008522/

The funniest/saddest thing is that they almost never own up to it either. AI Slop generator users almost unanimously hate artists because of extreme jealousy, as they are of the belief that AI slop democratizes art and that artists have some sort of innate talent and not a skill that they worked over time. So they hate them for it, but at the same time they also want to be recognized as artists.

You'll notice often when you call out an AI slop user that tries to pass their work as art, they will often deny it's AI slop and sometimes even work to have "in progress" slop so that they can prove they actually did the work. When eventually they are 100% found out they either act like it's no big deal or then try to argue that using AI slop generators is no different than using a tool.

Hey, I recognize these books:

[kaleidoscopium]

Again, someone on Era called this "the most important trial in US history." Like... what the fuck is my Black ass supposed to do with that declaration?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/f-d-signifier-how-did-we-let-johnny-depp-get-away-with-this.1009260/page-2#post-130160295

You… don’t have to respond to every post you freak

[benji]

Nepenthe
When the music hits, you feel no pain. Administrator
15 minutes ago
#5
I will never forget someone on here saying that the Depp trial was literally "the most important trial in US history."

Like damn nigga, I guess civil rights don't mean shit?

Again, someone on Era called this "the most important trial in US history." Like... what the fuck is my Black ass supposed to do with that declaration?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/f-d-signifier-how-did-we-let-johnny-depp-get-away-with-this.1009260/page-2#post-130160295

What "civil rights" trial is she talking about?

[AnnoyedCanadian]

The most annoying reoccurring topic on RetardEra is a game name followed by either "have developed quite the fan art following" or "has developed quite the fan art following"

I don't know what it is about it but it annoys the fuck out of me. Plus they're more interested in terrible fan art (it might not be terrible, but I could less of a shit about fan art after seeing enough shipping stuff when I was younger) than the actual games.

[benji]

Interesting that she strips the racism from the Emmitt Till situation so she can claim that racially motivated vigilante violence is the same as domestic violence, when the former is not something men have any problem recognizing and being open about experiencing. For example:

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Interesting that she strips the racism from the Emmitt Till situation so she can claim that racially motivated vigilante violence is the same as domestic violence, when the former is not something men have any problem recognizing and being open about experiencing. For example:

[AnnoyedCanadian]

FliX

I count audiobooks on good reads as having read them... So yes.

How is it reading you dumb fuck? They are AUDIO books.

[Besticus Maximus]

FliX

I count audiobooks on good reads as having read them... So yes.

How is it reading you dumb fuck? They are AUDIO books.

It's different in the sense that you're not literally using your eyes to read yes, but in effect audiobooks and proper books are the same thing once you've acclimated to hearing it instead of seeing. When you're reading you're just doing the audiobook voice in your head, audible cuts out the middle man. I get through dozens of audiobooks a year. Horror novels at the gym is my happy time. Love it.

Would be a bit like saying James Joyce never wrote a novel because he dictated them.

[Propagandhim]

Sorry, I have a kneejerk reaction and have to post this whenever James Joyce is mentioned

[Propagandhim]

I always picture the "I think I would know nora's fart anywhere" as an indignant response to someone being skeptical of his ability to sense Nora's farts.  Like, "Uhhhhh I think I would know Nora's fart, anywhere, Yeah, but thanks for your input, little guy." 


Alright I'm gonna shut up now

[benji]

That Deep thread is interesting because the STAFF MANDATED CORRECT VIEW is what a bunch of people are complaining about in this one.

The reactions to this trial/case, both here and on the internet in general, were always so fucking bizarre.

I had to ignore the threads

The thing that always sticks out at me was, ahead of the rulings being passed down, there were people complaining about how Depp losing and Heard winning would bring out a whole bunch of low postcount trolls to mock people for daring to support Depp.

...and yet if you paid any attention to the people with the most posts in those threads, there were some accounts that basically only ever existed to post in those threads and specifically guided some of the most fervent discussion for Depp and against Heard. Some of the people here really got taken in by trolls.

yeah i think it's about time we had a reckoning with how this case was followed and commented on by outside observers. a lot of the internet became a hostile echo chamber on this subject

I mean, this has been discussed many times by many people, so it's not like this is the first time anyone will see a video about it :/ like it's been time for a LOOOOOOONG time. But the discussions about it on this forum have never turned out well. This conversation is not new... and the patterns of who goes unheard are anything but surprising.

One of two threadbans I've had here was because Jeff Grubb was critical of Johnny Depp and I agreed with him. It was a toxic conversation big time.

I totally deserved the threadban btw

it was really weird yeah
kinda made me avoid era for a while

Yea I don't really understand the seeming shift here on Era (I know outside of here was a complete mess)

Lots of intentionally toxic misogynists or people dealing with their own unresolved abuse on this topic, even now you see this pop up here and there when talking about Heard's or Depps work in the pipeline.

The ruling may have been correct, but as others in this thread have said, I really can't stress how much pro-Depp-propganda was all over this forum after the ruling and how much it left a bad taste in my mouth.

My opinion on the case is the same as it was two years ago: Both Depp and Heard are toxic people and the circus around that trial and the way it was framed as a watershed moment for male abuse victims never sit right with me then and it still doesn't now. They're both abusers. It's hard for me to be thrilled about an abuser winning a case against another abuser, and the way people were cheering about it to the point where the original OP on the verdict had a title like "Depp Proven Innocent, Let's All Celebrate With the hashtag #ThankYouJohnnyDepp" or something similar just really didn't feel appropriate to me.

The fervor for Depp on Era at the time really made me upset, so I hope this goes better. The "she's no angel" line sucks too; he clearly had the balance of power in the relationship and in the public eye, and he wielded it against her with malice.

Also:

Not to most no. The level of attachment people had to that trial was fucking absurd.

It didn't even set a legal precedent.

Literally NOTHING materially changed.

Amber Heard setting women's rights back allowing for a whataboutism retort to domestic violence. Also Depp is an awful person clearly.

She didn't set anything back because American culture was never primed to give a fuck about women.

That's what some of y'all aren't understanding.

This trial did not actually matter.

Yeah but that's the thing.

This case does not get play unless Johnny Depp is a rich white man and his abuser is a pretty, blonde-haired white woman, the most sympathetic type of person within a white Western context. It became high profile because of these factors, not in spite of them.

So the takeaway that people came away with wasn't actually "men can be victims of abuse and we should take their claims seriously," because if that was the case, then there were already millions of stories and systemic issues at play right now, such as our carceral system, that could have been the catalyst for people to finally start giving a shit.

People cared because it played into their personal biases and reactionary tendencies. It wasn't as important to prove that Depp was a victim of abuse, so much as it was more important to prove that a pretty, blonde-haired white woman had the potential to be an abuser too. And even then, that wasn't even as revelatory if you were non-white. Like, white women were also at the head of plantations; we've been known what y'all are capable of.

So who was the outcome FOR, exactly? WHY was it important? Again, there was no legal precedent actually set by this. Victims of abuse didn't actually gain anything.

You're not understanding that the trial never could have set any precedent, it was a regular ass defamation case.

It actually was important to prove that Depp was a victim of abuse because that's the only way he could win the case.

That isn't actually the takeaway that people came away with though. And we all know that.

Damn, i would have laugh to keep from crying

                     two staff members dismissing concerns? Speaking over victims?

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Slayven is like an honorary moderator. They need a village idiot.

I would feel bad for him being so dumb but he's such an asshole that I can't feel any sympathy for him.

[benji]

Nepenthe is absolutely livid in that thread that other people don't have the assumptions she does.

[Propagandhim]

prove that a pretty, blonde-haired white woman had the potential to be an abuser too. And even then, that wasn't even as revelatory if you were non-white. Like, white women were also at the head of plantations; we've been known what y'all are capable of.

This is the most Nepenthe sentence ever. 

[Besticus Maximus]

Nepenthe is absolutely livid in that thread that other people don't have the assumptions she does.

This could apply to anything from Sonic the Hedgehog to blobs of pre-cum

[benji]

Depp's attorneys: "ladies and gentleman of the jury, we aim to prove that Amber Heard lied about Johnny Depp, and that actually he was her victim."

Juror Nepenthe: "duh, y'all, we know white women can be abusers, they ran plantations, they lied about Emmitt Till, they voted for Trump, y'all, shutting the fuck up is free!"

[Besticus Maximus]

Let's be real, Nepenthe is just victim blaming because she doesn't think white people are people and nobody can tell her to shut the fuck up for once

[benji]

After reading her other posts in that thread I understand what she meant by "civil rights trials" now. She literally thinks all court cases are Supreme Court cases, that lower court judges can just start issuing rulings for all of society and are not limited to the case in front of them.

[DavidCroquet]

Benji beat me to it, but there were definitely bans, dogpiles and whatever bullshit Ree loves to throw at dissenters back when the Amber Heard case was live. For endorsing Heard, for suggesting that maybe the abuse cut both ways...really anything other than "poor widdle jonnie" was almost explicitly verboten. 

Nep coming in like WE DONE BEEN KNEW is...well actually it's just another day on Era.

I will say she's on peak comedy hours right now. 

"This case did nothing to improve the quality of life for black Americans, and Emmett Till is rolling in his grave."
"Ma'am, this is a Wendy's."

[Propagandhim]

As long as we're on the Nepenthe News Hour:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/home-depot-to-force-corporate-staff-to-work-shifts-in-stores-one-8-hour-shift-per-quarter.1008555/page-3

Era people lost their minds at the thought of a software engineer or something having to drive food to people's houses or actually use their own software and that they'd quit immediately as it's not in their job description etc. I get the mentality, but it also just reeks of entitlement.

They got those jobs to get away from the common people.

Granted, I also wouldn't have wanted to work with them anyway if my retail environment was fast. Slow people were always an absolute killer and more likely to make me snap than shitty customers.

 

[jooseloose]

Has B-Dubs just fucked off and gone into hiding hoping this whole thing blows over or what?

[benji]

At the time, we got plenty of leverage about how on Twitter all the forum's favorites were turning the Depp case into the victory of Gamergate over women forever but nobody on the forum could even take that view because the staff had issued an edict that Depp was innocent, Heard was the abuser and anyone who said otherwise would be banned.

Like, this wasn't just fringe "progressives" like Erin Reed or Pink News, Vox literally published this insanity:

Why the Depp-Heard trial is so much worse than you realize
Amber Heard is just the first target of a new extremist playbook.

...

The media has covered the degree to which this trial has served as a referendum on the Me Too movement and a siren call to domestic abusers.

The narrative of the trial has been shaped in part by what appears to be, according to multiple researchers, an army of bots spreading rhetoric favorable to Depp. One researcher found more bots favorable to Heard, but said most of those bots were from third-party apps trying to capitalize on the trial; meanwhile, they found the highest pro-Depp bot post was shared nearly 20,000 times. The work of those bots has been further amplified by “men’s rights activists” — the part of the far-right-leaning extremist “manosphere” that seems to have decided discrediting Amber Heard is the key to destroying every woman who accuses men of abuse or domestic violence.

Conservative media outlets have also promoted a one-sided narrative of the case; Vice recently reported that Ben Shapiro’s popular conservative news platform the Daily Wire has spent nearly $50,000 promoting ads about the trial on Instagram and Facebook — most of it trashing Amber Heard. The presence of these bad actors has, if anything, only exacerbated the vitriol Heard has received within the mainstream.

...

What we’re witnessing here are the dramatically compounded effects of internet researcher Alice Marwick’s theory of morally motivated networked harassment, which holds that a group of social media users can justify any amount of abuse directed at a target if they feel their cause is morally right. At scale, this looks like, and effectively is, millions of people around the world lining up to eagerly subject one woman to untold amounts of abuse, public humiliation, and violent rhetoric. (Incidentally, this is exactly what Depp wanted to happen to her — so even if he loses the case, he still wins.)

...

Culture critic Ella Dawson has a Twitter thread compiling reporting on the myriad ways in which this trial is not only destroying years of progress made against domestic abuse in the US, but also laying the groundwork for a culture in which bots and bad actors harass, vilify, and eviscerate all other prominent women who publicly name their abusers — like Gamergate, but times tens of millions of participants, and gleefully endorsed by people all across American culture.

There were hysterical threads from Blue Checks (the old system, where they were Party approved) about how this meant men could murder and rape women forever now, that Depp was operating with Russia to undermine American democracy, that the alt-right had seized control of journalism for not exposing what Gamergate was doing, etc.

But none of it was allowed on the forum.

[DavidCroquet]

One of two threadbans I've had here was because Jeff Grubb was critical of Johnny Depp and I agreed with him. It was a toxic conversation big time.

I totally deserved the threadban btw

[DavidCroquet]

Has B-Dubs just fucked off and gone into hiding hoping this whole thing blows over or what?

Seems like a promising strategy.

Nepenthe is being especially bold lately. Maybe he hopes that if she keeps heating up, she's bound to self-immolate. Figuratively, of course...

[DocWager]

FliX

I count audiobooks on good reads as having read them... So yes.

How is it reading you dumb fuck? They are AUDIO books.

It's different in the sense that you're not literally using your eyes to read yes, but in effect audiobooks and proper books are the same thing once you've acclimated to hearing it instead of seeing. When you're reading you're just doing the audiobook voice in your head, audible cuts out the middle man. I get through dozens of audiobooks a year. Horror novels at the gym is my happy time. Love it.

Would be a bit like saying James Joyce never wrote a novel because he dictated them.

Ehhhhhh… I usually pick an actors voice to represent each character in the books. I don’t have a male doing a high pitched women’s voice saying “Hey, big boy!”, or a lady doing a deep male voice saying “Hey, big boy!”. That’s why I can’t stand one person reading the book for me. I get so tired of the bad acting, I end up quitting halfway through. 

It’s like listening to a late non-binary person attempt to act out every character, and being 2nd hand embarrassment.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

rzks21

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Point of Comparison

The Israeli nazi airforce just bombed a refugee camp in Gaza. The footage is absolutely bleak so I'd advise against watching. You can see a kid stuck in a hospital bed and waving his arms while the fire rages around him. The US is funding this and so many other atrocities so gleefully; Biden, Harris, Trump... sorry, but none your leaders can't possibly be redeemed. Your whole political establishment is a cancer upon this world.

One week for that. Utter retardation.

My opinion still stands from before, go over there and try to make a difference. The forum would be a lot saner if these idiots jumped off a cliff in Minecraft and probably be a lot stress free for B-Dumbs and having the site on a government watch list.