Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Nintex]

Hold it tight

Nice and full

It never touches the human hand

[Snoopy]

Come on Dubs. It's time to go full Neeson. You can do it.

[AnnoyedCanadian]

Come on Dubs. It's time to go full Neeson. You can do it.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

It's sad that the bire is the reason I now know about Frogan. 

[remy]

I don't blame anyone for being like fuck this pedo shit but the abduction scene in dandadan wasn't on some goblin slayer type shit.

and while creepy that it was a leery shot of a teenager it's pretty obviously meant to be a standard 20th century alien abduction bit.

most abduction stories (both "real" and fictional) have some weird shit like anal probing (cit. Parker, Stone "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" 1997) or a focus on sex or reproduction. Aliens impregnating people to reproduce human alien hybrids, extracting baby batter from people with vacuum cup machines, etc so like whatever... this is a manga where they fight Nessie and the guy from the "have you seen this man in your dreams?" internet meme. it's not that serious

[Jansen]

I did not realize we had a legitimate anime defense force on thebire

Y'all are fucked up and weird, weebs.

[AldusMoneyPenny]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jerry-seinfeld-says-tv-comedy-is-being-killed-by-the-%E2%80%98extreme-left-and-p-c-crap-and-people-worrying-so-much-about-offending-other-people%E2%80%99.856944/page-9#post-130265478

Isn't Jason Alexander a well known libertarian?

Is he? I've seen him speak before and he's very empathetic and intelligent - qualities that wouldn't really befit a libertarian.

I did not realize we had a legitimate anime defense force on thebire

Y'all are fucked up and weird, weebs.

You're telling me the guy who's had a giant titty PFP of Chun-Li for years is an anime defender?

[remy]

I did not realize we had a legitimate anime defense force on thebire

Y'all are fucked up and weird, weebs.

You're telling me the guy who's had a giant titty PFP of Chun-Li for years is an anime defender?

[Uncle]

Anime fans are closet paedos. Change my mind.

One of my friends got into anime earlier this year because I showed him Delicious in Dungeon and he loved it, he got a crunchyroll subscription for a while and then stopped watching anime because everything else he tried had some kind of obvious pedo bait in it. I feel bad for indirectly exposing him to that tbh

It is what it is. There are dozens of new shows each season and a lot of junk. Anime is dumped into one pile internationally when certain media is aimed at young teens, or nerdy men, or nerdy women, etc. Sometimes you stumble upon a sports anime and think, “this is a baseball show for guys.” but it’s actually meant for degenerate women who like to imagine the pitcher and catcher being the pitcher and catcher.

Delicious in Dungeon I need to continue. Dorohedoro and Frieren are two relatively recent shows that were good. Heard the decade later follow up to Bartender is good.

I am not an anime person

https://www.wcostream.tv/anime/golgo-13

admittedly samey after a while, but it's like watching chaotic neutral james bond or something, man who is a consummate professional shows up, murders his target, leaves

[Uncle]

They should just admit to be single issue voters and be done with it.  

Then again if you say you'll vote third party you will be called a Russian stooge and banned like our hero Noodlesoup.

btw

[DocWager]

Shit, Bdubs finally stepping up. I’m expecting 2 weeks for everyone because ultimately Dubs is a puss.

[Snoopy]

Ree being ree they are completely unable to discuss anything without descending into bickering and moral grandstanding, but this stood out -

Does Get Out mean that ALL white people are racists who see Black people as inferior?

Nep Nep, comment please.



https://www.resetera.com/threads/strange-darling-official-trailer-in-theaters-august-23rd.901203/page-3#post-130426527

[Alpacx]

I did not realize we had a legitimate anime defense force on thebire

Y'all are fucked up and weird, weebs.

Watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes and get back to us.

btw

Offsite drama much?

[nachobro]

You're telling me the guy who's had a giant titty PFP of Chun-Li for years is an anime defender?

thats giant titty trans seth you fuckin bigot

[Taco Bell Tower]

I don't think I have much to add, but yeah, it's ridiculous that it's been this long and we couldn't even get a "I fucked up! My bad!". I also think it's important to note the B-Dubs general dismissiveness and perceived hostility towards the community was the issue at hand in this very thread just before he verbally abused his staff.  It's not the first (or second, or third...) time this is seen as an issue by the community. The silence and lack of accountability is also completeley par for the course.

Not only that, if we look at all the iterations of this thread I think 90% of the issues raised by posters are about staff-users communication. It's insane that after so many years, so many exoduses and so many heated exchanges this still hasn't improved. I get that mods are overworked, but at some point it becomes evident that this is not the only issue. It's also a matter of priorities.

I strongly believe that if a mod only got through 50% of the tickets they usually go through in an hour, but everytime they acted on a report they spent twice the usual time explaining the reasoning/writing a staff post this community would be in a much better place.

Like, what's the point of going through all the tickets if users often feel like bans are poorly explained and thread locks undeserved? Wouldn't it be better to EXPLAIN the rules to the users instead of locking threads with snarky posts like "Come on guys, we're not doing this"?  Sure, maybe this would result in some threads staying open for a little longer than they should and a couple of users escaping a deserved ban, but I still strongly feel like the tradeoff would be very worthy.

Just adding my voice that we need an official response on this. Silence is not acceptable.

ive seen a lot of these meltdowns (that get edited or deleted) happening especially in current elections/middle east war threads

not to be rude but if you cannot moderate without getting emotional on these particular topics then you shouldnt be able to mod them at all. Leave it to someone else and moderate any other thread on the whole forums… theres no issue with that.

There’s a high likelihood any statement he makes would get uncharitably picked apart and just add more fuel to the fire. Y’all are literally out for blood.

And it is deserved..

We wouldn't be "out for blood" if this had been adressed swiftly and properly. Every day without a response has simply allowed us, the concerned users, to stew in our frustrations. Ignoring it is not going to make everyone forget it.

I'm personally not chomping at the bit to kick Dubs out from his position head first, but the idea of him not getting any sort of punishment or disciplinary action is becoming harder to swallow with each passing day.

Yeah, better to have the ultimate authority have absolute impunity to lash out in a way that no user ever could get away with.  We can, and should, expect better or at least consistency in what is or is not ok.

Expecting the absolute bare minimum isn't being out for blood. Especially when it comes to the general manager of a supposedly progressive and inclusive forum.

It's been more than a week and there has been literally nothing besides Nep's post which isn't what anyone wants. (but was still appreciated)

This is something that any half way decent group could have dealt with in, at most, 2 days. But most likely 1. And we're ever encroaching towards 2 weeks, with it essentially being ignored by the person who did it.

There's really only one reason I can think of that it would take this long to handle publicly, and it's that there simply is no mechanism that was ever planned or discussed on how to handle someone at the top doing something egregious beyond "hope they do the right thing" (which doesn't seem to be happening), which if true would be a pretty glaring omission considering the history this very site was founded on. (not saying what B-Dubs did is anywhere near that, just that's essentially why people left to make ERA in the first place was someone at the top did something egregious and there was no mechanism in place to handle that)

Can anyone from staff have the fucking decency to at least give a reply to what they will do to handle this?

What do you think they can do? There is nobody above the one who started this. You can't fire your boss and there's no HR for Forum Mods. They are either talking about it behind the scenes or they aren't. In either situation, what are they able to come here and say? It's not the responsibility of any of the staff who didn't do this to give you the answer you want and yelling at them about "fucking decency" is blatantly misdirected anger.

I’m sorry but this kind of response is bullshit and it’s making excuses for staff. Honestly staff should have been prepared be for situations like these just like other jobs/workplaces do. And yes it is staff responsibility to give this community some type of response/update to this situation to alleviate any concerns people like me have over someone getting away with reprehensible behavior when any other person on this forum would (and rightfully so) have faced consequences already.

How are the other staff responsible for the behaviour of their boss? Try thinking about it for more than two seconds before going full Karen, maybe.

Staff are responsible for taking things into consideration and releasing a statement on this what is so hard to understand about this?

How is their response bullshit? There's no reason to go off on them for pointing out the reality of the situation. Who do you think is responsible? There's no community manager or anyone else in a comparable position. Do you think someone from MOBA is going to come from on high to address the concerns of maybe the dozen people speaking out in here? Worse fallout they will see from this is a few posters leaving if even that.

Nobody on staff at ResetEra is in the position of the people who could "prepare a statement" for any other company. This isn't some office tech job with higher ups to your higher ups and HR departments or PR departments or any of that. You're demanding statements and actions from individual people about something they didn't do and have no power over. You're being unreasonable.

Fair enough. I have set expectations too high I guess, I guess I assumed staff here were more important that what they are. But it’s still a bad look not communicating with the user base here yet and letting us know if anything will be done. At least some communication is not unreasonable to ask.

Oh come on, that is a poor reading of anything that's been said here and combined with your previous downplay of the behavior being criticized just isn't a good look.

I don't feel that passionately about this, I'm not frothing out the mouth.

People just wanted to see certain issues addressed and the longer this takes, the lower expectations become.

It went from he should step down to, okay can we get an apology to, just a single post acknowledging anything.

These morons deserve everything they get

It's a fucking video game forum 

[Bootsthecat]

Isn't bahomet the Puerto Rican guy on army disability that basically just brags about doing nothing all day, gets yelled at by parents for being useless, and won't even go to grocery store with wife? Is he usually so gung-ho about forum management matters?

Pretty funny

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/harris-on-whether-she-might-lose-the-election-because-of-the-genocide-in-gaza-the-first-and-most-tragic-story-is-oct-7.1014498/page-11#post-130443873

I'm worried she will lose and as a European. I'm tired.

As an Arab, I'm tired of my people being slaughtered.

Why doesn't America stop being so selfish and fix all of the problems and both Europe and the Arab world? Even when the solutions to these issues are diametrically opposed?

God I hate America. I hope America saves me!

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-righteous-infliction-of-retribution-manifested-by-an-appropriate-agent-personified-in-this-case-by-an-horrible-c-%E2%80%A6-me.1015140/

Can't quote movies anymore I guess

[Snoopy]

User Banned (1 Week): Misogynist Rhetoric

[Besticus Maximus]

You can't say cunt because the forum is ruled by them 

[Switters]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-you-vote-already.1014801/

User banned (1 month): Inflammatory thread creation. Prior bans for the same behavior.

I have not and will not.

LOL. Dude was going extra hard in the guillotine thread and got got. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What a chode.

[Jansen]

Too bad bdubs didn't have the stones for a perma

[nobody of note]

Constructive continues blowing up, Kyuuji reappears, Fiction weighs in:

I don't know what I'd expect other staff members to say here. I wouldn't be surprised if others have been affected by recent events and the road to them. It's not their place to have to run cover for a paid general manager verbally abusing an administrator in plain sight of the forum. More than anything I'm interested in what needs to change so that it doesn't happen again, and only one person can make those changes.

Well, presumably, I think when people say staff here they just mean the few other Administrators (sans Nep essentially, since a part of the conflict, so would be biased), rather than just the Mods. Were everything set up in a sane way the Administrators would have some form of mechanism to do anything here (even the bare minimum of highly critical statements about what happened, mention they are investigating or trying to get something to happen, idk, anything except radio silence) because everyone should have learned the lesson from the previous place that letting one person have unchecked control with no mechanism to deal with anything bad is a bad idea since that's what made this place happen.

Also had no idea that the General Manager spot is paid unlike the rest of the staff? That kind of makes this even more severe to me tbh.

At this stage I don't think we're going to get any official statement/apology/whatever.

I think that's the case too but best thing to do is to keep bringing it up tbh.

I am very uncomfortable posting in this thread as I was basically founding "staff" and resigned because it was too stressful (and now it's basically my real life job without the emotional connections, but anyways...)

I personally feel emotional connection to both staff involved, and every member here. It sucks. I hate it. But it was out of line.

I really hope it's been at least personally addressed.

Aside from that, as a woman who has been sexually harassed at work many times in her life, sexual harassment to me is directly indicating sexual tones. Like the long lingering hug that grabs my ass or direct comments from a boss or coworker about how sexy I am or how much farther I could get if I were "nicer" with a wink. Etc. The stuff that I never reported but wish I had had the courage to because I was afraid of the repercussions.

That doesn't mean, however, that the behavior cannot be sexist. Being degrading to someone who is subordinate and a protected class is inherently sexist in a case like this, even if the result of unconscious bias (like we all have and must work actively to prevent)

Like given my knowledge I don't think it was intentionally sexist but the public nature of this forum and the post itself was more along the lines of a personal attack that you'd see from any other poster that lost their cool and would get temped, only being elevated to a forum wide issue due to the power imbalance inherently involved.

Another reason why I resigned from moderating here is that I just wanted to be a poster again and not have my words blown up or taken more seriously/out of context due to the power imbalance.

Please just be kind to each other idk.

Which leads to a member making a suggestion I really, really hope turns into the next story arc:

On the topic of what other staff members can say/do, I imagine a statement would get made real quick if there was a strike and suddenly there was only one person modding the entire site.

Staff goes on strike, it's gonna be hilarious. Staff doesn't go on strike out of solidarity for Nepenthe, the people in Constructive used to having their demands catered to are just going to get more feral. Silence is violence, not standing up now is basically condoning it, etc. B-Dubs being confronted with the monster he created and placated turning hard on him.

Then just more of that thing where THINK OF THE (very specific subset of) WOMEN!!!! (we cater to because they're doing womaning in the way we approve) thing:

There's a high likelihood any statement he makes would get uncharitably picked apart and just add more fuel to the fire. Y'all are literally out for blood.

Uncharitably denigrating the motives of women who are looking for assurances that this continues to be a safe place for them to exist is probably not what you meant to do with this post, but it is nevertheless what you did.

Do better.

I mean, there were plenty of users praising games like Stellar Blade and Wukong despite the problematic issues surrounding the developers of both games. I've never really held the notion that this forum is entirely a safe place for women. It's why we have a thread specifically for women to criticize sexualized designs. It's the only place where we can vent and actually have others listen and not write it off because of "awesome combat" or something else.

[Polident]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/harris-on-whether-she-might-lose-the-election-because-of-the-genocide-in-gaza-the-first-and-most-tragic-story-is-oct-7.1014498/page-11#post-130443873

I'm worried she will lose and as a European. I'm tired.

As an Arab, I'm tired of my people being slaughtered.

Why doesn't America stop being so selfish and fix all of the problems and both Europe and the Arab world? Even when the solutions to these issues are diametrically opposed?

God I hate America. I hope America saves me!

How does this work. Does this sort of narcissism extend to taking pride in both sides of inter-Arab conflicts. 

It's the strange part of these guys who grew up in western nations believing there's a united Arab identity. Or any sort of hyphenated ethnicity. Like, there was a story this past week of a Chinese actor, known for playing Korean characters, attacking people for making boba tea, a Taiwanese drink, because it was appropriating his culture

[DavidCroquet]

I'm starting to think the silence is the statement. It's not like mods have never gone rogue on the site, or stepped down for principled reasons.

The mods (minus Nep, probably) are all in their secret discord eating popcorn and laughing at Tygre. Specifically Tygre, because of his babyfur avatar.

Morrigan is only mad because she's missing out.

[Jansen]

Naiad wrote:

I mean, there were plenty of users praising games like Stellar Blade and Wukong despite the problematic issues surrounding the developers of both games. I've never really held the notion that this forum is entirely a safe place for women. It's why we have a thread specifically for women to criticize sexualized designs. It's the only place where we can vent and actually have others listen and not write it off because of "awesome combat" or something else

Your high femme queen played and loved stellar blade. Where's your god now bitch?

[HaughtyFrank]

"People enjoy videogames on here, this is why women feel unsafe" is such a mind boggling take

[DavidCroquet]

Still torn on whether Naiad is a troll or a radfem.

She was going ham on Stellar Blade until Kyuuji swept in and silenced the real women anti-femme bigots. There's no way that Naiad has forgotten that Kyuuji was easily the most prominent member to give SB an unalloyed blessing of permissibility.

So when she's posting about Era being "unsafe for women", I can't decide if she's just shit-stirring or trying to counterprogram the Trans Mafia.

[Ethan]

I like to imagine Mr. MOBAsson in Stockholm being inundated with emails with the subjects "We demand a statement/apology" or "Resignation NOW", and being very confused, mainly because he completely forgot that he bought Ree.

[Besticus Maximus]

Bdubs, you deleted the entire poliera. Nothing happened. 

What do you think is the obstacle to deleting these dozen or so discord mutants? Where are they going to go? They don't have the skills, clout or money to make it happen. Just do exactly what you did with the other crowd, who by the way were mostly professional adults who potentially could have organised an alternative forum.

As it stands, you are facilitating a triple whammy of your own bizarro world traducement, a hotbed of antisemitism and a drug trafficking network for incel neets.

Every single one of them posting in that constructive thread is auditioning for moderator. Ban them.