Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Taco Bell Tower]

[Nintex]

They didn't copy anything. Besides most early Pokemon designs were copies of monsters from Dragon Quest.

I've seen this claim said a few times in the palworld copyright discourse but as someone who has played both, I don't see it

literally all I can think of is toriyama's dragons looking very vaguely similar to charizard

you got anything else? is monjar supposed to be psyduck or something?

A lot of creatures/designs/attacks/maps/mechanics etc. were certainly inspired by other games including Dragon Quest but the thing that most people forget is that Pokemon released in 1996. So a whole bunch of Dragon Quests, Zelda's and Final Fantasy games released before it. I see it a bit like The Crew Motorfest. It's clearly inspired by Forza Horizon but very much its own thing despite the similarities. And if big publishers like Ubisoft can make games like that, why isn't an indie Japanese dev allowed to?

[Uncle]

yeah I'm gonna say most of those are real fuckin' stretches

oh nooo they copied the incredibly original concept of "incorporeal mist monster," oh nooo they tweaked various real world animals

so many of the specific details are much more different than palworld compared to pokemon

[LoverOfCycles]

Anyone here actually playing Palworld? Is it any good?

I put around 7 hours into it single player. It's like Valheim, mixed with the capturing creatures. It is very bright and light hearted, but then you see shit that should be dark as hell but it is played for laughs. I'm having fun.

My biggest takeaway is how smooth it runs. I haven't noticed any stutters or normal unreal engine crap on my main rig. It's even fun on the Steam Deck, but i had to set it at medium and cap the framerate to a cinematic 25fps.

The gameplay loop is simple but enjoyable, the Pals are cute and funny. Seeing the little fat guys running towards you to help build stuff is hilarious, and they seem so happy once a job is complete.

I'm looking forward to see how it all evolves during early access.

[Boredfrom]

[quote="Uncle" pid='32592' dateline='1705967718']
yeah I'm gonna say most of those are real fuckin' stretches

oh nooo they copied the incredibly original concept of "incorporeal mist monster," oh nooo they tweaked various real world animals

so many of the specific details are much more different than palworld compared to pokemon

They don’t even get inspired by Dragon Quest, Beetle fightin or gachapon, but literature (  ): 

You're missing the forest for the trees:

Pokemon artists created an idea for a pocket monster inspired by the Cheshire cat, and developed an original design with unique elements.
The Palworld "artist" copied the idea of a pocket monster inspired by the Cheshire cat, and stole some of the exact design elements.

One involved inspiration from an existing concept (grinning fairytale cat) expressed in an entirely new and original context (video game monster).
The other was inspired by the very thing itself (video game monster inspired by grinning fairytale cat -> video game monster inspired by grinning fairytale cat), and even 99% exact assets were ripped off.

[Uncle]

/quite

[Boredfrom]

CHARACTER DESIGN:

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Vanilluxe_(Pokémon)

So inspiring.

/quite

 

My phone, Uncle.  Try using this site with your phone.

[Nintex]

Japanese publishers filing lawsuits for using the same generic D&D inspired animal monster set.



Even the Bokoblins in Zelda are just Goblins they painted red.

CHARACTER DESIGN:
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Vanilluxe_(Pokémon)
So inspiring.

/quite

 
My phone, Uncle.  Try using this site with your phone.

Skill issue

[Uncle]

My phone, Uncle.  Try using this site with your phone.

[Boredfrom]

No, seriously, try it.

[kaleidoscopium]

This site definitely sucks on mobile, but that’s how it is. The posts are worth struggling through it

[Boredfrom]

Okay, I don't agree with these claims at all, I think they missed a lot of obvious ones and a lot of the ones they guessed were the wrong ones. But the Palworld wiki - who I assume is edited by fans of the game more than people trying to critique it for plagiarism -…

Why would you assume that?

[Potato]

They didn't copy anything. Besides most early Pokemon designs were copies of monsters from Dragon Quest.

I've seen this claim said a few times in the palworld copyright discourse but as someone who has played both, I don't see it

literally all I can think of is toriyama's dragons looking very vaguely similar to charizard

you got anything else? is monjar supposed to be psyduck or something?

A lot of creatures/designs/attacks/maps/mechanics etc. were certainly inspired by other games including Dragon Quest but the thing that most people forget is that Pokemon released in 1996. So a whole bunch of Dragon Quests, Zelda's and Final Fantasy games released before it. I see it a bit like The Crew Motorfest. It's clearly inspired by Forza Horizon but very much its own thing despite the similarities. And if big publishers like Ubisoft can make games like that, why isn't an indie Japanese dev allowed to?

You're looking at this all wrong. They're allowed to copy, they're just not allowed to be successful. 

That's the thing a Reee hates most of all. 

Why can't their 24 volume Game of Thrones/Harry Potter fanfiction be successful? Why did Pokeguns hit it rich and their similar idea (Pokemon X hentai dating Sim) which they've put no effort into actually creating, isn't the hottest thing on Steam right now?

[Boredfrom]

Somewhat aside from the main issue, it bugs me how many people preface their statements with "palworld is fun, and the aesthetic is appealing." before digging into evidence of PocketPair's light treason.

Seems like this happens with increasing frequency across any issue and it just seems so unnecessary and conciliatory.

I'm genuinely curious why it's so prevalent here (mostly talking about some of the X posts shared here, not necessarily Era messages)

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people on Twitter who preface their criticism with "the game is fun" do so in order to stave off the inevitable levels of harassment they get for touching upon a hot button issue.

[HaughtyFrank]

yeah I'm gonna say most of those are real fuckin' stretches

oh nooo they copied the incredibly original concept of "incorporeal mist monster," oh nooo they tweaked various real world animals

so many of the specific details are much more different than palworld compared to pokemon

I'd say they're getting closer to the original designs than others devs would but at the same time I'm not sure how you'd really define a line there especially when these pokemon often already had inspirations

[D3RANG3D]

Palworld just reminds us why nintendies deserve to be shoved into lockers and wedgied and hung on doors by their underwear.

[Uncle]

you could argue palworld had to be EVEN MORE CREATIVE to

- be distinct, get stylistically close to pokemon without actually being pokemon, to capture the market that likes its style
- still make the designs appealing in their own right without being overdesigned like shitty digimon

it's crazy how much they feel like they could actually be pokemon, to the point where someday in the future, who knows? they might have a case to sue pokemon for copying them

[benji]

Palworld is really giving us so much, I love it.





These people are always so sure of everything but so rarely correct

This is the guy who claimed the Fox News/Dominion lawsuit was the biggest event in journalism history and was going to change the First Amendment forever. Like a week before it was settled without trial.

[Boredfrom]

Shitty Digimon

Over designed and edgy is the point of Digimon. Is how they actually distinguish from Pokemon simplified Japanese mascot cuteness.

[Uncle]

[Boredfrom]

“I’m Gandalf, Aragorn.”

[davepoobond]

there's so many fucking pokemon now, you can draw anything and people would be like "that looks like ____ pokemon"

even the real pokemon look like fake pokemon.

[Boredfrom]

Is there another turn based rpg where you have an absurd amount of party customization, to the point where it became a serious e-sport? I don't really think there is, at least not close to that level. Twisting one of the most unique games of the genre out because some people on the internet want action gameplay could be the biggest mistake in the history of popular media.

It is so good that people hack their Pokémon to be competitive because “the game wastes your time in the intended way.”

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pokémon-world-championships-disqualifies-pros-with-hacked-creatures-sparking-community-debate.753109/

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Also, define serious e-sport.

[Potato]

there's so many fucking pokemon now, you can draw anything and people would be like "that looks like ____ pokemon"

even the real pokemon look like fake pokemon.

Who the fuck recognises Pokemon outside of maybe 20 of the original batch and a few of the starters/legendaries? Especially as an adult? Like, I'm seriously gonna call the paedo squad if you're able to name the ones that resemble inanimate objects.

[Boredfrom]

It just feels extra silly post-Baldur's Gate too, or at least it would if Pokemon wasn't already proving that point to begin with

[Uncle]

there's so many fucking pokemon now, you can draw anything and people would be like "that looks like ____ pokemon"

even the real pokemon look like fake pokemon.

Who the fuck recognises Pokemon outside of maybe 20 of the original batch and a few of the starters/legendaries? Especially as an adult? Like, I'm seriously gonna call the paedo squad if you're able to name the ones that resemble inanimate objects.

everyone knows those for the sake of dunking on how utterly stupid they are

call the squad if they can name the 37th dog looking one

[benji]

Kinda seems unethical for Pokemon to plagiarize the real world, no?

[benji]

Wild that people think IP theft is okay in 2024.

Anyway, death to landlords, settlers and Netflix for not letting me share passwords.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-the-f-are-we-still-stuck-with-1080p-trailers-of-current-gen-games-in-the-year-of-our-lord-2024.808209/

This has been a problem for all of the current gen. Publishers keep putting out trailers for their games in fucking 1080p on youtube. PS5, Xbox and PC games. Games whose assets were clearly produced with ultra HD displays in mind.

It's not as if youtube charged for 1440p or 4k uploads; they don't! That shit is free! Why must we suffer youtube's shitty sub-1440p-resolution bitrates? If 4K is somehow too hard, I'd take 1440p at least. The jump in bitrate between youtube's 1080p and 1440p uploads is noticeable. Why can't we even have that? There are still more trailers released in 1080p-only compared to 1440p or 4k trailers.

We are almost halfway through the current gen. What is going on.

/rant

Cause I'm guessing 90% of people don't have 4K sets? Or even care about 4K or 1440p at all?

[Boredfrom]

Yeah it's actually a masterful blend of both simple and complex.

Reminds me of that old Blizzard mantra from back when they were gaming's. "Simple to learn/play, hard to master."

I think that's a reason Pokemon has been the force it's been even with all the flaws and discontent people may have with the franchise.

I think you are overestimating competitive Pokemon actual pull or how the combat system shows this in game where Hardcore fans need to create a challenge run to have fun.

Also, good news you guys, Nintendo and The Pokemon Company will not change the combat system because of this Palworld. So dunno why are you worried by people having fun with the Ark with Pokémons game.