07-04-2023, 04:37 AM
(07-03-2023, 03:43 PM)PhoenixDark wrote: The problem with this affirmative action debate is the same problem we're seeing in multiple areas, from culture to art to everything else: a complete refusal to acknowledge non-white people can possibly have their own ideas, motives, or interests outside of a white power structure. The end result is a mental and policy stagnation that really has one victim: black people. And frankly it's time to start examining whether this is deliberate.
If your worldview is that white supremacy is the dominant world ideology then it's easy to dismiss other cultures' long-held norms, views, and lifestyles. I 100% believe white supremacy exists obviously, but it is not the wizard of Oz behind the curtain of every culture that comes to America. The flaws of this mindset get exposed often but I can't think of many more direct than the recent freakout over Muslim Americans not wanting gay books/content in their libraries. Why people expected an Abrahamic religion to be progressive is beyond me. The Koran states that homosexuality should be punished, and Muhammad stated it should be by death. What does that have to do with white supremacy? But when your sole interest is in forming non-white coalitions of voters who do exactly what you want them to do, this becomes a complication right. This isn't about allies or quid pro quo. People have vested self interests that drive their behavior and actions. When you fail to acknowledge this it leads you down intellectually fraught roads, like "we defended you after 911/Iraq so you should support gay rights." Huh? This isn't about Muslims allying with white supremacy, it's about Muslims having religious views that mirror Christian views when it comes to homosexuality. And abortion.
When I look at what's going on with immigrant groups in America I see a clear race for resources. People coming to this country and taking advantage of any opportunity to attain education and businesses. Their political allegiances largely center on who is helping them achieve their goals, and who is impeding their goals. The issue is not that these immigrant groups want to attain whiteness - they want to replace it. And by dismissing their ambitions as an almost slave-like obsession with their oppressor all liberals are doing is insulting their intelligence. Many of these communities aren't even trying to assimilate, beyond education. Many eat at restaurants within their community, almost exclusively shop at stores within their community, and seek out doctors within their community. None of this gels with wanting to be...white.
Here's how it hurts black people. While we remain stagnant and complain about groups not being good allies, those groups keep running the resource race. And when the dust settles and this shit gets to where it's going...we're going to face permanent underclass status while Asians/Hispanics/etc say "I did this on my own, why can't you." They didn't do it on their own obviously, but that's what they will say. There will be no white guilt at play, either. Why would they feel guilty, after all - they aren't white, they aren't the ancestors of slave owners, etc. Point being none of these people are our ally and it's time to act accordingly.
The fixation on white supremacy is a good example of epistemic closure for left-wing ideology and just comes off as unhinged in the wild if you're not already initiated in those politics. Like we're not denying that white supremacy exists, that white nationalists are active, or that they are systematic issues in this country. It's just that not everything certain people don't like is that particular wizard behind the curtain.
I've spent the last decade bouncing around that small part of the US that only stretches from San Diego to Houston and it is extremely obvious what way the demographic winds are blowing. The Hispanic minority will be flexing political muscle and looking out for themselves (just like everyone else) and it just isn't white supremacy at work if that doesn't result in lockstep allegiance to the idea of the intersectional PoC that show up at the polls for left wing politics.
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