Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)
(12-05-2025, 01:12 AM)Snoopy wrote: Owner of Zeboyd Games is definitely not butthurt about not getting invited to game awards -

Quote:He's a nepo baby who consistently sides with big business over the downtrodden and the under-privileged. He makes a small fortune off of an infomercial masquerading as an award ceremony, while also using it to hobnob with Hollywood elite and aggrandize himself. I'm convinced the only reason why he hasn't gone full masks off is because he's not dumb and understands that liberals spend money too. And also, because the only thing he really believes in is what will benefit him personally.

I hate having him as a high profile videogame spokesperson, but also can't say that the industry deserves better.

Quote:Also, in 2025, why do we need an E3 replacement? Why do we need a 3-4 hour commercial with endless gacha game ads and non-gameplay footage of games trying to be the next Call of Duty or follow the latest trend? Most of the major publishers like Nintendo and Sony already do their own E3-esque videos, sometimes multiple times a year. Even some of the smaller publishers and groups do their own videos these days. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather watch a 30-60 minute video that's more targeted and more likely to have stuff I'm interested in.

No1curr

https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighleys-the-game-awards-net-positive-or-negative-for-you-personally-and-for-the-industry-overall.1372756/page-9

Might be some of the most pathetic posts I've seen from Era in a while. Even his cynicism is wrong and out of date.
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Quote:   And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather watch a 30-60 minute video that's more targeted and more likely to have stuff I'm interested in.

I have no clue what zeboyd games makes but im certain I dont want to watch a 30-60 minute about them. I want awkward celeb cameos, asocial game developers being awkward , musical guests going through the motions, and game trailers (especially Elder Scrolls VI). I will take less of the livestreamers and influencers tho.

Quote:Shenmue has always been shit. The only good thing it had going for it was as a showcase for the Dreamcast.

Eat my whole ass. Shenmue 1 is the og life simulator with a side of Bruce Lee revenge and euro work gaming waaaay before the Germans did it.
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(12-05-2025, 01:12 AM)Snoopy wrote: Owner of Zeboyd Games is definitely not butthurt about not getting invited to game awards -

Quote:He's a nepo baby who consistently sides with big business over the downtrodden and the under-privileged. He makes a small fortune off of an infomercial masquerading as an award ceremony, while also using it to hobnob with Hollywood elite and aggrandize himself. I'm convinced the only reason why he hasn't gone full masks off is because he's not dumb and understands that liberals spend money too. And also, because the only thing he really believes in is what will benefit him personally.

I hate having him as a high profile videogame spokesperson, but also can't say that the industry deserves better.

Quote:Also, in 2025, why do we need an E3 replacement? Why do we need a 3-4 hour commercial with endless gacha game ads and non-gameplay footage of games trying to be the next Call of Duty or follow the latest trend? Most of the major publishers like Nintendo and Sony already do their own E3-esque videos, sometimes multiple times a year. Even some of the smaller publishers and groups do their own videos these days. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather watch a 30-60 minute video that's more targeted and more likely to have stuff I'm interested in.

No1curr

https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighleys-the-game-awards-net-positive-or-negative-for-you-personally-and-for-the-industry-overall.1372756/page-9

this thread is hilarious, just people buttmad about geoff but trying to pretend its because his show is a net negative for the industry. 

the show watched by 100+ million that directly leads to millions in sales for nominees and winners lol just terrible for those industry folks
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Quote:I didn't say he was as bad as them. I said that if I don't want to watch something hosted by a morally bankrupt influencer, why would I want to watch something that's hosted by a merely sleazy influencer? It's still bad, even if it's not as bad.

Would it have been better if I said I don't want to watch an infomercial hosted by Ian "Make FPS great again hat" Proulx? That's someone who was actually on one of Keighley's show.

Quote:Morally bankrupt based on what? You mentioned him supporting big business over the downtrodden, but in the context of what he does, what does that even mean?

Dude got blowback and slinked off without a response. Surely this is beyond the power of moderation to take care of one thread-shitter.
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(12-05-2025, 01:12 AM)Snoopy wrote: Owner of Zeboyd Games is definitely not butthurt about not getting invited to game awards -

Quote:He's a nepo baby who consistently sides with big business over the downtrodden and the under-privileged. He makes a small fortune off of an infomercial masquerading as an award ceremony, while also using it to hobnob with Hollywood elite and aggrandize himself. I'm convinced the only reason why he hasn't gone full masks off is because he's not dumb and understands that liberals spend money too. And also, because the only thing he really believes in is what will benefit him personally.

I hate having him as a high profile videogame spokesperson, but also can't say that the industry deserves better.

Quote:Also, in 2025, why do we need an E3 replacement? Why do we need a 3-4 hour commercial with endless gacha game ads and non-gameplay footage of games trying to be the next Call of Duty or follow the latest trend? Most of the major publishers like Nintendo and Sony already do their own E3-esque videos, sometimes multiple times a year. Even some of the smaller publishers and groups do their own videos these days. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather watch a 30-60 minute video that's more targeted and more likely to have stuff I'm interested in.

No1curr

https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighleys-the-game-awards-net-positive-or-negative-for-you-personally-and-for-the-industry-overall.1372756/page-9

When does the bitterness over the “nepo baby” thing end?

Geoff has been doing this shit for well over two decades now. Way back he was writing pretty good long form pieces on game development.
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(12-05-2025, 02:19 AM)Polident wrote:
(12-05-2025, 01:12 AM)Snoopy wrote: Owner of Zeboyd Games is definitely not butthurt about not getting invited to game awards -

Quote:He's a nepo baby who consistently sides with big business over the downtrodden and the under-privileged. He makes a small fortune off of an infomercial masquerading as an award ceremony, while also using it to hobnob with Hollywood elite and aggrandize himself. I'm convinced the only reason why he hasn't gone full masks off is because he's not dumb and understands that liberals spend money too. And also, because the only thing he really believes in is what will benefit him personally.

I hate having him as a high profile videogame spokesperson, but also can't say that the industry deserves better.

Quote:Also, in 2025, why do we need an E3 replacement? Why do we need a 3-4 hour commercial with endless gacha game ads and non-gameplay footage of games trying to be the next Call of Duty or follow the latest trend? Most of the major publishers like Nintendo and Sony already do their own E3-esque videos, sometimes multiple times a year. Even some of the smaller publishers and groups do their own videos these days. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather watch a 30-60 minute video that's more targeted and more likely to have stuff I'm interested in.

No1curr

https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighleys-the-game-awards-net-positive-or-negative-for-you-personally-and-for-the-industry-overall.1372756/page-9

When does the bitterness over the “nepo baby” thing end?

Geoff has been doing this shit for well over two decades now. Way back he was writing pretty good long form pieces on game development.


Uh, where was he during the George Floyd marches?  This guy has a choice: Suck Take-Two Rockstar's dick or develop a class consciousness to help the downtrodden.   Like, this isn't hard.
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(12-04-2025, 05:51 PM)HaughtyFrank wrote: "Hey I didn't call AOC fat, I'm just saying she's spiritually fat. No offense meant to all my fat queens out there"

"Look, your actual height isn't important. What's important is that we can all agree that tall equals good, and short equals bad."
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Robert boyd having his angry joe moment

Dude has been irrelevant since csh
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Am I bovvered? Nah mate. Nah. I tell ya, ya couldn't drag me to them awards. So what if I didn't get an invite. Didn't want one mate. No need. I'd rather be dahn the pub getting twatted with me mates Ratty and The Nonce. 5 pints, drop an E, spit roast some trollop in the disabled bogs.
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(12-05-2025, 02:08 AM)Mask wrote:
(12-05-2025, 01:12 AM)Snoopy wrote: Owner of Zeboyd Games is definitely not butthurt about not getting invited to game awards -

Quote:He's a nepo baby who consistently sides with big business over the downtrodden and the under-privileged. He makes a small fortune off of an infomercial masquerading as an award ceremony, while also using it to hobnob with Hollywood elite and aggrandize himself. I'm convinced the only reason why he hasn't gone full masks off is because he's not dumb and understands that liberals spend money too. And also, because the only thing he really believes in is what will benefit him personally.

I hate having him as a high profile videogame spokesperson, but also can't say that the industry deserves better.

Quote:Also, in 2025, why do we need an E3 replacement? Why do we need a 3-4 hour commercial with endless gacha game ads and non-gameplay footage of games trying to be the next Call of Duty or follow the latest trend? Most of the major publishers like Nintendo and Sony already do their own E3-esque videos, sometimes multiple times a year. Even some of the smaller publishers and groups do their own videos these days. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather watch a 30-60 minute video that's more targeted and more likely to have stuff I'm interested in.

No1curr

https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighleys-the-game-awards-net-positive-or-negative-for-you-personally-and-for-the-industry-overall.1372756/page-9

Might be some of the most pathetic posts I've seen from Era in a while. Even his cynicism is wrong and out of date.

I want to say it's this from the Ori game director
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-are-gamers-so-eager-to-trust-and-even-forgive-the-snake-oil-salesmen.372420/
Quote:This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I get kinda riled up about it every time I see it unfold. And every time it keeps happening, people keep falling for it...

It all started with Molyneux. He was the master of 'Instead of telling you what my product is, let me just go wild with what I think it could be and get you all excited!" - And that was fine, until you actually put your money down and then the game was nothing like what Peter was hyping it up to be. He pulled this shit for a good decade or more with journalists and gamers loving listening to Uncle Peter and the amazing things he's doing for the industry. It took him to release some pretty damn shoddy games for press and gamers to finally not listen to the lies anymore.

Then came Sean Murray, who apparently had learned straight from the Peter Molyneux handbook. This guy apparently just loooooved the spotlight. Even days before No Man's Sky released, he hyped up the Multiplayer that didn't even exist and was all too happy to let people think that No Man's Sky was 'Minecraft in Space', where you could literally do everything (you being able to do everything is generally a common theme behind the gaming snake oil salesmen, cause hey, that sorta attracts everybody!). Obviously there was massive backlash when No Man's Sky finally released and the product being nothing like what Murray hyped it up to be. But what happened then? They released a bunch of updates, so let's forget about the initial lies and deception and hey, let's actually shower him with awards again, cause he finally kinda sorta delivered on what he said the game would be years earlier. Thanks, Geoff Keighley. Rewarding that kinda behavior will surely help the industry grow stronger.

And then came Cyberpunk. Made by the guys that made Witcher 3, so this shit had to be good. Here's our Cyberpunk universe and - trust us - you can do fucking everything! Here the entire CDPR PR department took all the cues from what worked for Molyneux and Murray and just went completely apeshit with it. Gamers were to believe that this is "Sci-Fi GTA in First Person". What's not to love? Every video released by CDPR was carefully crafted to create a picture in players minds that was just insanely compelling. They stopped just short of outright saying that this thing would cure cancer. This strategy resulted in a sensational 8 million pre-orders. What happened then was this: . The product was a fraction of what the developer hyped it up to be and on top of that it barely even ran on consoles that it was supposed to 'run surprisingly well on!'.

I'd argue that all 3 of those are clear examples of you folks all being made fools of. And even the 'journalists' in this industry happily played along, each and every single time.

And let me also say, from the perspective of a developer, all of this just sucks. Back in 2014, I remember some journalist from some big publication telling us that Ori almost got the cover article of some magazine I read frequently, but ultimately they had to pick No Man's Sky cause it was the 'bigger game'. I kinda agreed back then, thinking to myself: "Ok, I get it, they have to promote the bigger game, they obviously have to go for the clicks. Sucks, but that's how the game is played." But then I really felt bamboozled once No Man's Sky came out and it became clear that all this hype was really just built on lies and the honest guy who just showed his actual product really got kicked in the balls because the lying guy was able to make up some tall tales that held absolutely no substance.

I know this whole thread might come off as me sounding bitter and I'm sure there'll be some people that see this as me shitting on other devs. No, I'm not. I'm shitting on liars and people that are okay with openly deceiving others. I'd argue that we should all agree that this shit is not okay. If I go and buy a car and the car salesman sells me a car that supposedly has 300 horse power, but on the drive home after the purchase I notice that he switched out the motor when I wasn't looking, I'd be rightfully pissed off, cause I was deceived.

And yet, gamers and journalists don't really seem to mind all that much. Yeah, the backlash is coming, but usually you see a ton of people then arguing that they like the game that came out of it anyway. That is so not the point. It doesn't matter if the snake oil actually tastes fine. Don't sell me on features that don't exist. Don't paint a picture that you'll not be able to deliver. Just don't fucking lie to me. You're fucking over gamers, you're fucking over journalists (that should know better, so shame on you!) and you're fucking over other developers.

There, I said my piece, felt like a chip I needed to get off my shoulder and I think this is a wrong that we should set right so that this won't happen anymore.
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighleys-the-game-awards-net-positive-or-negative-for-you-personally-and-for-the-industry-overall.1372756/page-9#post-148487206

jesus, what an insufferable buttmad article lol 
https://thetaxcollectorman.medium.com/the-game-awards-sucks-2023-edition-or-geoff-keighley-in-the-warlock-of-wimbledon-d87675c8822e

unsurprisingly, the author is shilling a shit looking game and begging for money on twitter, who could have seen that coming?
https://x.com/coolgoblinzone
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(12-04-2025, 10:02 PM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/woman-in-uk-allegedly-hospitalized-over-pluribus-ad-on-her-refrigerator.1373458/#post-148473577

DECK’ARD wrote:
Shama wrote:This is horrible and this shit should be illegal. The fuck do you mean you get to pop ads on my fridge

I hope this is nothing but a bollocks reddit thread cause I surely haven't read about it anywhere else
Even if it's fabricated, it is a scenario that could happen. And that should give people pause for thought.
Is it tho?

"Sure, it's fake, but I'm gullible."

Rollsafe
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Lol one and a half paragraphs before there's a mention of Israel and Palestine. What the fuck?
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(12-05-2025, 01:28 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/pics-that-make-you-laugh-ot-2025-were-fart-and-were-smunny.1072071/page-45#post-148444411

Dice wrote:[Image: 7VqgyDO.jpg]
TERF BITCH

Banplz
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(12-05-2025, 01:15 AM)Propagandhim wrote: Geoff Keighley won't side with the downtrodden lol

The guy whose career revolves around luxury entertainment products?

Jeanluc
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(12-05-2025, 02:51 AM)Propagandhim wrote:
(12-05-2025, 02:19 AM)Polident wrote:
(12-05-2025, 01:12 AM)Snoopy wrote: Owner of Zeboyd Games is definitely not butthurt about not getting invited to game awards -



No1curr

https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighleys-the-game-awards-net-positive-or-negative-for-you-personally-and-for-the-industry-overall.1372756/page-9

When does the bitterness over the “nepo baby” thing end?

Geoff has been doing this shit for well over two decades now. Way back he was writing pretty good long form pieces on game development.


Uh, where was he during the George Floyd marches?  This guy has a choice: Suck Take-Two Rockstar's dick or develop a class consciousness to help the downtrodden.   Like, this isn't hard.

Geoff has spoken at length that his favorite GTA is San Andreas and how crestfallen he was to see a cac playable in GTA6.
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The Ori dev sure sounds like a whinging cunt, but how is he wrong in any way whatsoever?
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(12-04-2025, 08:12 PM)Propagandhim wrote: [Image: vMsICOD.png]
Why is it on her to emotionally labor to do more? Because she produces something that millions of people want? And employs countless numbers of people in producing and distributing it?

These people are religious fanatics, they believe everyone else needs to live by a vow of poverty or else they're sinners who need to repent more.

Taylor (or Rhianna or Beyonce) is a great example of their bitter misanthropy (and legit hatred of artists) because you can see so clearly what they're mad about is that the person is good at something and want to punish them for it. These retail workers, "self-employed" game journalists and Bluesky beggars gather to tut tut "no, Taylor, you should not be compensated for your labor because it doesn't look like enough effort to me, you must be stealing from others, so devote yourself even more to good works for my pleasure." It's always on everyone else to do more for them. "But but but I have excuses for why I can't do anything!"

How dare this bitch be good at something, apparently enjoy it, constantly produce music and constantly tour and reap the rewards of that, instead of utilizing her capital to benefit everyone she should be displaying her piety by doing nothing, being miserable and angry and demanding others labor for them. Doesn't she know she should be calling for mass murder on a "video game" forum instead?
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(12-04-2025, 06:33 AM)Taco Bell Tower wrote: Visawife decides to back NepNep up against Vector
Quote:Seems like you're posting in bad faith. EDIT: Checked post history, and seems like you're a Swiftie, defending her for years here. Even saying she is waiting for the opportune time to go after Trump, but right now it's too scary for her.
Nepenthe and others got ire for billionaires like Beyonce if you looked it up. You're the one using her gender as ammunition for an argument even when people are consistent in criticising ultra wealth. She's said black capitalism/excellence like Jay Z and Beyonce won't save people.

Of course Messy digs through a persons posting history looking for dirt they can use to invalidate someone rather than respond to the points they are actually making, the guy is an absolute creep.

Absolutely fucking alarming behaviour from a psychologist. I doubt he would have any moral objection to using his patient notes for exactly the same reason.
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(12-04-2025, 06:33 AM)Taco Bell Tower wrote: Visawife decides to back NepNep up against Vector
Quote:She's said black capitalism/excellence like Jay Z and Beyonce won't save people.
Because it can't be true or it invalidates her entire worldview. If crabs can escape the bucket then there's no reason for the crabs to all wait until they all can escape the bucket and take over the entire beach forever. It's in the crabs best interest to escape the bucket unless they're told it's not and they're doing something immoral if they do escape it.

Even though it's objectively true. Black Americans owned nothing just a little over a century and a half ago, even well after the formation of Israel half of Black people lived in poverty:
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Now endlessly suffering Black artists having their wealth stolen by AI live like this and brag about how easily they could go live in a tropical paradise and not work:
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Someone is getting tired of Jeff bringing up da snyder chuds in every thread. 
 
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Report that fuck for dismissing concerns. ufup
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https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-microsoft-is-quietly-walking-back-its-diversity-efforts.1373422/#post-148469782
Quote:I copy paste my reply from the other Microsoft thread:

Microsoft can go to hell.
Hurr
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(12-05-2025, 03:18 AM)Taco Bell Tower wrote: I want to say it's this from the Ori game director
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-are-gamers-so-eager-to-trust-and-even-forgive-the-snake-oil-salesmen.372420/
Quote:This is something that's been bothering me for a while and I get kinda riled up about it every time I see it unfold. And every time it keeps happening, people keep falling for it...

It all started with Molyneux. He was the master of 'Instead of telling you what my product is, let me just go wild with what I think it could be and get you all excited!" - And that was fine, until you actually put your money down and then the game was nothing like what Peter was hyping it up to be. He pulled this shit for a good decade or more with journalists and gamers loving listening to Uncle Peter and the amazing things he's doing for the industry. It took him to release some pretty damn shoddy games for press and gamers to finally not listen to the lies anymore.

Then came Sean Murray, who apparently had learned straight from the Peter Molyneux handbook. This guy apparently just loooooved the spotlight. Even days before No Man's Sky released, he hyped up the Multiplayer that didn't even exist and was all too happy to let people think that No Man's Sky was 'Minecraft in Space', where you could literally do everything (you being able to do everything is generally a common theme behind the gaming snake oil salesmen, cause hey, that sorta attracts everybody!). Obviously there was massive backlash when No Man's Sky finally released and the product being nothing like what Murray hyped it up to be. But what happened then? They released a bunch of updates, so let's forget about the initial lies and deception and hey, let's actually shower him with awards again, cause he finally kinda sorta delivered on what he said the game would be years earlier. Thanks, Geoff Keighley. Rewarding that kinda behavior will surely help the industry grow stronger.

And then came Cyberpunk. Made by the guys that made Witcher 3, so this shit had to be good. Here's our Cyberpunk universe and - trust us - you can do fucking everything! Here the entire CDPR PR department took all the cues from what worked for Molyneux and Murray and just went completely apeshit with it. Gamers were to believe that this is "Sci-Fi GTA in First Person". What's not to love? Every video released by CDPR was carefully crafted to create a picture in players minds that was just insanely compelling. They stopped just short of outright saying that this thing would cure cancer. This strategy resulted in a sensational 8 million pre-orders. What happened then was this: . The product was a fraction of what the developer hyped it up to be and on top of that it barely even ran on consoles that it was supposed to 'run surprisingly well on!'.

I'd argue that all 3 of those are clear examples of you folks all being made fools of. And even the 'journalists' in this industry happily played along, each and every single time.

And let me also say, from the perspective of a developer, all of this just sucks. Back in 2014, I remember some journalist from some big publication telling us that Ori almost got the cover article of some magazine I read frequently, but ultimately they had to pick No Man's Sky cause it was the 'bigger game'. I kinda agreed back then, thinking to myself: "Ok, I get it, they have to promote the bigger game, they obviously have to go for the clicks. Sucks, but that's how the game is played." But then I really felt bamboozled once No Man's Sky came out and it became clear that all this hype was really just built on lies and the honest guy who just showed his actual product really got kicked in the balls because the lying guy was able to make up some tall tales that held absolutely no substance.

I know this whole thread might come off as me sounding bitter and I'm sure there'll be some people that see this as me shitting on other devs. No, I'm not. I'm shitting on liars and people that are okay with openly deceiving others. I'd argue that we should all agree that this shit is not okay. If I go and buy a car and the car salesman sells me a car that supposedly has 300 horse power, but on the drive home after the purchase I notice that he switched out the motor when I wasn't looking, I'd be rightfully pissed off, cause I was deceived.

And yet, gamers and journalists don't really seem to mind all that much. Yeah, the backlash is coming, but usually you see a ton of people then arguing that they like the game that came out of it anyway. That is so not the point. It doesn't matter if the snake oil actually tastes fine. Don't sell me on features that don't exist. Don't paint a picture that you'll not be able to deliver. Just don't fucking lie to me. You're fucking over gamers, you're fucking over journalists (that should know better, so shame on you!) and you're fucking over other developers.

There, I said my piece, felt like a chip I needed to get off my shoulder and I think this is a wrong that we should set right so that this won't happen anymore.

Wtf I love REEtarded indie devs now? not one lie there, I also can't believe how easily forgiven they were for releasing their games in an unplayable state. Though I can't blame em, despite all their whining, gamers will eat whatever slop AAA companies serve them.
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(11-26-2025, 04:25 PM)benji wrote:
(11-26-2025, 03:03 AM)Hap Shaughnessy wrote: https://www.resetera.com/threads/2-men-tried-to-invade-haiti-and-enslave-the-people-using-firefighter-training-sailing-knowledge-and-an-army-of-homeless-people.1364926/#post-148139008

Nepenthe wrote:Yeah, that's the country whites should want to invade.

Haiti.

One of the most successful examples of an African uprising against foreign European colonizers.
So I had only a casual historical knowledge of the Haitian Revolution. Mostly from the perspective of the United States and France towards it. But entirely coincidentally I have been doing some more specific reading on it.

Imagine my shock when I find out that Toussaint Louverture was not only a free Black and royalist but like most free Blacks in Haiti he was a large slaveholder himself with Jean-Jacques Dessalines (aka Jacques I) being one of his slaves. And his "Revolution" consisted largely of operating through the French administration channels as a recognized French official, rising in station within it until he could claim control over the entire island through entirely non-violent means. AKA PARTICIPATING IN STANDARD NORMAL POLITICS. Initially the rebellion began with Louverture seeking better conditions for slaves not abolition, after Spain told him they'd give him land and stuff he joined up with them before switching back upon the French Republic's abolition of slavery to assist France in securing Haiti and driving out the British and Spanish who tried to take it over. He also ignored Napoleon's orders upon recognition of his position not to invade the Spanish half of the island. It was upon this victory and his having secured personal control over the entire island that he tried to buck the French by declaring himself Governor-General for Life and with now Napoleon in charge invading in response to this. It was during this part of the conflict that Louverture turned on other free Blacks as well with American support. Then Dessalines (and wealthy free Black future monarch and president Christophe and Petion) switched sides to support the French in return for keeping their positions, so Louverture began negotiating a peace. After he was arrested and sent to France they learned the now French Empire was going to try to bring back slavery (which the French Republic had abolished) so they revolted to resume the conflict and declare independence.

It gets worse:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toussaint_Louverture#Third_Commission:_1796%E2%80%931797 wrote:Throughout 1795 and 1796, Louverture was also concerned with re-establishing agriculture and exports, and keeping the peace in areas under his control. In speeches and policy he revealed his belief that the long-term freedom of the people of Saint-Domingue depended on the economic viability of the colony.[72] He was held in general respect, and resorted to a mixture of diplomacy and force to return the field hands to the plantations as emancipated and paid workers.[73] Workers regularly staged small rebellions, protesting poor working conditions, their lack of real freedom, or their fear of a return to slavery. They wanted to establish their own small holdings and work for themselves, rather than on plantations.[74]

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Sonthonax, a fervent revolutionary and fierce supporter of racial equality, soon rivaled Louverture in popularity. Although their goals were similar, they had several points of conflict.[83][84] While Louverture was quoted as saying that "I am black, but I have the soul of a white man" in reference to his self-identification as a Frenchman, loyalty to the French nation, and Catholicism. Sonthonax, who had married a free black woman by this time, countered with "I am white, but I have the soul of a black man" in reference to his strong abolitionist and secular republican sentiments.[11] They strongly disagreed about accepting the return of the white planters who had fled Saint-Domingue at the start of the revolution. To the ideologically motivated Sonthonax, they were potential counter-revolutionaries who had fled the liberating force of the French Revolution and were forbidden from returning to the colony under pain of death. Louverture on the other hand saw them as wealth generators who could restore the commercial viability of the colony. The planters political and familial connections to Metropolitan France could also foster better diplomatic and economic ties to Europe.[85][11]

In summer 1797, Louverture authorized the return of Bayon de Libertat, the former overseer of the Bréda plantation, with whom he had shared a close relationship ever since he was enslaved. Sonthonax wrote to Louverture threatening him with prosecution and ordering him to get de Libertat off the island. Louverture went over his head and wrote to the French Directoire directly for permission for de Libertat to stay.[86] Only a few weeks later, he began arranging for Sonthonax's return to France that summer.[76] Louverture had several reasons to want to get rid of Sonthonax; officially he said that Sonthonax had tried to involve him in a plot to make Saint-Domingue independent, starting with a massacre of the whites of the island.[87] The accusation played on Sonthonax's political radicalism and known hatred of the aristocratic grands blancs, but historians have varied as to how credible they consider it.[88][89]

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The constitution guaranteed equal opportunity and equal treatment under the law for all races, but confirmed Louverture's policies of forced labor and the importation of workers through the slave trade.[126] Identifying as a loyal Christian Frenchman, Louverture was not willing to compromise Catholicism for Vodou, the dominant faith among former slaves. Article 6 states that "the Catholic, Apostolic, Roman faith shall be the only publicly professed faith."[127] This strong preference for Catholicism went hand in hand with Louverture's self-identification of being a Frenchman, and his movement away from associating with Vodou and its origins in the practices of the plantation slaves from Africa.[128]
Not like this! 

Further upon rereading Nepenthe's post, I notice that she calls the Europeans "foreign" when the Africans were just as foreign and just as much colonizers as they never returned anything to the Taino people. Like with Black Americans she again excuses this colonizing and theft of Indigenous wealth.

I'm sure most here, because they do the work and read the theory, already know all this but it's staggering at the ignorance of history she and the rest of Era has and freely display on every topic:
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Another thread where they get to face the sales data of Hogwarts legacy lol 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/netflix-to-buy-warner-bros-including-game-developers-behind-mortal-kombat-batman-arkham-hogwarts-legacy-the-lego-games-and-more-in-82-7b-deal.1374160/
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Chaobreaker wrote:I checked LSF out of curiosity. They are living in another reality fr.

In the real world, Hasan is having the time of his life in Ireland, greeting countless fans after getting a prestigious award.

In the world fabricated by Sexpestiny/H3/Asmeinkampf stans, this loser's Ireland vacation was derailed after a based Kaya fan deftly pranks him. Look at how he ran away! Also, how dare he compare what he went through with Emiru's assault. What a baby!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hasan-piker-ot-oh-your-such-a-big-man-hasan.321886/page-68#post-148491406



Surely this is the face of a guy just enjoying an Irish vacation lol
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(12-05-2025, 01:36 PM)kaleidoscopium wrote:
Chaobreaker wrote:I checked LSF out of curiosity. They are living in another reality fr.

In the real world, Hasan is having the time of his life in Ireland, greeting countless fans after getting a prestigious award.

In the world fabricated by Sexpestiny/H3/Asmeinkampf stans, this loser's Ireland vacation was derailed after a based Kaya fan deftly pranks him. Look at how he ran away! Also, how dare he compare what he went through with Emiru's assault. What a baby!

"Actually he's having the time of his life and it's all awesome but also it's totally fair that he compared these two seconds of trolling to a 5 foot girl being violently grabbed by some basement dwelling creep"
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before I finished reading that post, I thought “comparing himself to emiru” was in reference to the last time he compared himself to her.

This guy can’t help himself.
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(12-05-2025, 01:14 PM)kaleidoscopium wrote: Another thread where they get to face the sales data of Hogwarts legacy lol 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/netflix-to-buy-warner-bros-including-game-developers-behind-mortal-kombat-batman-arkham-hogwarts-legacy-the-lego-games-and-more-in-82-7b-deal.1374160/

They're already hoping Netflix will cancel the "wizard TV series"! As if it being on Netflix with their reach doesn't mean it will even reach more people worldwide. (why do they keep calling it wizard this and that? do they think it sounds cool or what?)
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