Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Jansen]

Yall harass Zeo so much he's rabid now 😢

[benji]

Do you think anyone at Era has ever had a look at the quality of games that are supposedly being destroyed by nefarious hate campaigns? 

It’s amazing how games that are good (KCD2) or broadly appealing (AC Shadows) have some kind of immunity to the all powerful Twitter mobs.

Anyway RIP Concord, Highguard and probably Marathon, it was definitely the Chuds fault.

Next you'll be asking them not to champion stuff like Forspoken, Dustborn or whatever just because chuds are hating on it.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/whitehouse-debating-whether-to-allow-tencent-to-maintain-stakes-in-us-video-game-companies.1452490/

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dusk-golem-resident-evil-1-remake-in-development.1452274/page-4#post-152101117

User banned (3 days): Hostility. Account in junior phase

You are more brain dead than the zombies in these games.

Banned for being mean to a news regurgitator

[Keetongu]

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

If you're a small outfit of a couple hundred developers funded by the largest gaming company on earth *do not* let your game be announced as the last trailer at The Game Awards. Hopefully with this warning future devs can be spared.

[Alpacx]

Do you think anyone at Era has ever had a look at the quality of games that are supposedly being destroyed by nefarious hate campaigns? 

It’s amazing how games that are good (KCD2) or broadly appealing (AC Shadows) have some kind of immunity to the all powerful Twitter mobs.

Anyway RIP Concord, Highguard and probably Marathon, it was definitely the Chuds fault.

Right wingers getting their panties in a bunch about bear sex in Baldur's Gate 3 genocided that game.

[remy]

https://bsky.app/profile/ragingspaniard.bsky.social/post/3mg453v6flk2s



And this idiot works in the industry? Lament the death of nuanced discourse or whatever but don't lie. Bloodborne runs like shit because of the issue that you refuse to acknowledge

May run like ass but is not unplayable.  The nuanced discourse is: the game run like ass but people still loved it and acting like is a dead game because somehow people expect console games to be perpetually updated.

It's a great game but the frame pacing is absolutely fucking ass at different sections of the game. For the most part it's fine but there's parts like Ludwig where the game controls like mud with inconsistant response that make it 10x harder than it needs to be. 

It's like dark souls 1 where areas like blighttown and the start of the capra demon get you killed because for most of it it's just running like total dogshit.

you can play it on an emulator at 60fps on pc now, there's no real reason other than sony glazing to stick up for them leaving it running like shit on ps4.

[Jansen]

More Constructive 

Agreed. It feels like a lot of times someone will be like "I like this thing/look at this cool video" and suddenly from the shadows comes "BUT DID YOU KNOW THEY DID THIS?" Can we report stuff like that for derailing?



I remember one time I made a thread where a rhino is playing with a deer and thought it was cute. Someone came in like ACTUALLY THAT DEER IS IN REAL DANGER. jesus it's just a funny animal video.







By that same token you could ignore/or scroll past a thread you don't like. That's what I do. Mostly.

Posting information about supporting a child abuser doesn't mean you didn't like the thread. It's adding more information about it. Just because you don't like the post doesn't make it a derail.

It literally derailed the thread.

It added valuable information and context. The ones derailing were the ones mocking people for mentioning it.

Imo, it's fine and actually good to have a post or two to raise awareness, but when the thread becomes about sniping back and forth about cancelling whoever, the threads spiral into uselessness. Which I guess is the kind of hecklers veto that people want in lieu of mod action

See, it's stuff like this. People think they're doing us some kind of grand service by pointing out WELL ACTUALLY DID YOU KNOW..



And it isn't. You're not adding anything valuable to the conversation. You are starting an entirely new conversation about a prior controversy. That is derailing.



They're gotcha posts. It literally started with someone just posting a gif and a picture. What context does that add to someone's lifetime achievement award speech? What value does it bring other than to serve other than to serve the self-satisfaction of the gotcha gangsters?

Really? I didn't know and I learned something. Sorry, but I want to know when celebs are Trumpers. I want to know when celebrities are abusers, or bigots who hate queer people (especially given that I'm queer). And yes, I want to know when people like that support child rapists.

It should be fine to point out that someone is problematic, so long as it isn't trying to go beyond the subject in order to broad brush users in the thread from the jump (eg anyone who says their voting Dems in election threads is bloodthirsty for genocide, rather than just calling out the party/candidate for their bipartisan support of genocide).



That aspect and kinda the attitude that everyone should already know every issue where it's like pulling teeth to get the proper context or anything at all where it's some bizarre gatekeeping, is where the "informed" messengers can be grating. Where it often does feel like the point is to be combative with everyone here rather than informative about the issue. That wasn't the case for the Ford thread, but it is common place enough that I can understand some of the frustration.



But the response in the thread was way out of proportion to the post(s) bringing it up/responding negatively about Ford, and really sent things into a spiral. The one user who said anything about anyone liking that Ford received the award was never even quoted directly, but instead people just casting wide nets in turn and putting that on themselves in a bizarre fashion.

Pointing out the that thread subject is shitty/has shitty views/does shit like support pedophile is not, and will never be, thread derailing.



Plus, a lot of people here are actually grateful for the call outs, because this forum has thousands of people on it and some of the stories related to what the OP is about can often fly under the radar.



You can be the world's biggest Harrison Ford fan, but that doesn't change that he's actively cheered on a pedophile. People, companies, whatever, are never flawless and a lot of people would like to know these kinds of things to decide whether or not to continue supporting the thing or person in question.



Being able to look at something (or someone), flaws and all, and make your own judgment call, is the right path here.







It's not derailing though. It's pointing out that the person being celebrated also once stood and called for a pedophile.



Harrison Ford will be fine, he'll still have fans cape for him and he still sleeps on millions of dollars every night.







The solution there is to ban anyone who tries to downplay the shit getting called out and also ban anyone that tries to equate that liking a thing makes you a shitty person.



It's not really that complicated.



You can grow up a fan of something, find out it's problematic, acknowledge it's problematic, but still find some good in that thing and/or have a complicated relationship with that thing. It's fine. Almost everyone has at least one thing in their life like that.

They are really having a hard time grappling with the fact that people don't want to be inundated with negativity 24/7

[Boredfrom]

https://bsky.app/profile/ragingspaniard.bsky.social/post/3mg453v6flk2s



And this idiot works in the industry? Lament the death of nuanced discourse or whatever but don't lie. Bloodborne runs like shit because of the issue that you refuse to acknowledge

May run like ass but is not unplayable.  The nuanced discourse is: the game run like ass but people still loved it and acting like is a dead game because somehow people expect console games to be perpetually updated.

It's a great game but the frame pacing is absolutely fucking ass at different sections of the game. For the most part it's fine but there's parts like Ludwig where the game controls like mud with inconsistant response that make it 10x harder than it needs to be. 

It's like dark souls 1 where areas like blighttown and the start of the capra demon get you killed because for most of it it's just running like total dogshit.

you can play it on an emulator at 60fps on pc now, there's no real reason other than sony glazing to stick up for them leaving it running like shit on ps4.

Again, the discourse at ERA is that is a unplayable mess and Sony is letting the game die because they are glazing those fascists From Software.  

I’m not saying it didn’t run bad, but that part of ERA was acting like the game was lost forever because From said no to a remake.

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Been busy protesting.

Chudder Barbarity? More like, Friendder Barbarity. 

[benji]

Pointing out the that thread subject is shitty/has shitty views/does shit like support pedophile is not, and will never be, thread derailing.

Plus, a lot of people here are actually grateful for the call outs, because this forum has thousands of people on it and some of the stories related to what the OP is about can often fly under the radar.

Alright, I'll be replying to any thread that mentions Canada by informing everyone of the various crimes of the British Empire, especially what Canada has done to the First Nations and what it contributes to capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy. 

[Alpacx]

Pointing out the that thread subject is shitty/has shitty views/does shit like support pedophile is not, and will never be, thread derailing.

Plus, a lot of people here are actually grateful for the call outs, because this forum has thousands of people on it and some of the stories related to what the OP is about can often fly under the radar.

Alright, I'll be replying to any thread that mentions Canada by informing everyone of what Canada did to the First Nations and how they contribute to white supremacy.

Fact check: what Canada is doing to the First Nations. Ongoing Genocide.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/trudeau-accepts-finding-of-genocide-in-mmiwg-report-but-says-focus-needs-to-be-on-response/

Edit: top page Sweeney

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

[benji]

Gosh, imagine cheering on a team that represents a country carrying out a genocide.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jessie-buckley-and-paul-mescal-voluntarily-share-some-wild-things-about-their-feelings-on-cats.1452394/

But one of the cats was like, a pedigree model bitch. And she staged like a coup against me. I'd come home and there'd just be like, poo on the pillow.

Was the cat Amber Heard?  

[HaughtyFrank]

So of course they were going to choose a game that's incredibly tied to traditional and conservative gender roles. I know that the "Women's Guild" voted for it overwhelmingly but those who chose the games list really, really can't look further than their nose or think three more steps ahead and see how Overcooked 2 (nothing against the game itself though) could be seen offensive to women that are dealing with misoginism. Women can play difficult games as much as men. Clair Obscur or Hollow Knight would've been good picks (if I remember correctly, "Ultimate Chicken Horse" is a party game).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/twitch-rival-celebrates-international-womens-day-with-a-cooking-game-as-chosen-by-a-community-vote.1451797/post-152113558

"Man, those bitches are dumb. I'm a feminist"

[benji]

I'll be turning the Overwatch thread into my blog about all the crimes of Microsoft I come across, this surely isn't thread derailing right?

[benji]

So of course they were going to choose a game that's incredibly tied to traditional and conservative gender roles. I know that the "Women's Guild" voted for it overwhelmingly but those who chose the games list really, really can't look further than their nose or think three more steps ahead and see how Overcooked 2 (nothing against the game itself though) could be seen offensive to women that are dealing with misoginism. Women can play difficult games as much as men. Clair Obscur or Hollow Knight would've been good picks (if I remember correctly, "Ultimate Chicken Horse" is a party game).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/twitch-rival-celebrates-international-womens-day-with-a-cooking-game-as-chosen-by-a-community-vote.1451797/post-152113558

Obviously the men of Twitch should have made sure not to provide any options that the women could pick and harm themselves from not knowing they shouldn't pick it.



They said "women of ERA." Stay in your lane. 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Yall harass Zeo so much he's rabid now 😢

The bullying needs to stop. 

[BIONIC]

https://bsky.app/profile/ragingspaniard.bsky.social/post/3mg453v6flk2s



And this idiot works in the industry? Lament the death of nuanced discourse or whatever but don't lie. Bloodborne runs like shit because of the issue that you refuse to acknowledge

https://bsky.app/profile/ragingspaniard.bsky.social/post/3mg453v6flk2s



And this idiot works in the industry? Lament the death of nuanced discourse or whatever but don't lie. Bloodborne runs like shit because of the issue that you refuse to acknowledge

I don't know about Bloodborne specifically but broken frame pacing is one of the most obvious things in games. You can't typically "fix" it because it's usually an engine issue.

https://bsky.app/profile/ragingspaniard.bsky.social/post/3mg453v6flk2s



And this idiot works in the industry? Lament the death of nuanced discourse or whatever but don't lie. Bloodborne runs like shit because of the issue that you refuse to acknowledge

May run like ass but is not unplayable.  The nuanced discourse is: the game run like ass but people still loved it and acting like is a dead game because somehow people expect console games to be perpetually updated.

It's a great game but the frame pacing is absolutely fucking ass at different sections of the game. For the most part it's fine but there's parts like Ludwig where the game controls like mud with inconsistant response that make it 10x harder than it needs to be. 

It's like dark souls 1 where areas like blighttown and the start of the capra demon get you killed because for most of it it's just running like total dogshit.

you can play it on an emulator at 60fps on pc now, there's no real reason other than sony glazing to stick up for them leaving it running like shit on ps4.

Frame pace deez nuts you fucking nerds

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jessie-buckley-and-paul-mescal-voluntarily-share-some-wild-things-about-their-feelings-on-cats.1452394/

But one of the cats was like, a pedigree model bitch. And she staged like a coup against me. I'd come home and there'd just be like, poo on the pillow.

Was the cat Amber Heard?  

Only good cat is a dead cat. Happy to offer extermination services to anyone needing to get rid of a cat.

[Potato]

https://bsky.app/profile/ragingspaniard.bsky.social/post/3mg453v6flk2s



And this idiot works in the industry? Lament the death of nuanced discourse or whatever but don't lie. Bloodborne runs like shit because of the issue that you refuse to acknowledge

https://bsky.app/profile/ragingspaniard.bsky.social/post/3mg453v6flk2s



And this idiot works in the industry? Lament the death of nuanced discourse or whatever but don't lie. Bloodborne runs like shit because of the issue that you refuse to acknowledge

I don't know about Bloodborne specifically but broken frame pacing is one of the most obvious things in games. You can't typically "fix" it because it's usually an engine issue.

May run like ass but is not unplayable.  The nuanced discourse is: the game run like ass but people still loved it and acting like is a dead game because somehow people expect console games to be perpetually updated.

It's a great game but the frame pacing is absolutely fucking ass at different sections of the game. For the most part it's fine but there's parts like Ludwig where the game controls like mud with inconsistant response that make it 10x harder than it needs to be. 

It's like dark souls 1 where areas like blighttown and the start of the capra demon get you killed because for most of it it's just running like total dogshit.

you can play it on an emulator at 60fps on pc now, there's no real reason other than sony glazing to stick up for them leaving it running like shit on ps4.

Frame pace deez nuts you fucking nerds

Whatever happened to git gud?

Fucking video game nerds

[Chumbawumbafan69]

From constructive 

And, quite frankly, if people did bring the same energy to the Oscars thread, I'd support them doing it there too. They're just celebs. If they want to lie with dogs then they're gonna carry fleas with them forever. Fuck it, put every one of them on blast that deserve it.

This is a dumb way to run a discussion forum. If that’s the standard, how does every topic not eventually turn into a race to the bottom where people just post the worst thing they can find about whoever or whatever is being discussed? It’s not like anyone on that forum is in a position of power to change anything. You’re just shitting up the conversation.

[Potato]

From constructive 

And, quite frankly, if people did bring the same energy to the Oscars thread, I'd support them doing it there too. They're just celebs. If they want to lie with dogs then they're gonna carry fleas with them forever. Fuck it, put every one of them on blast that deserve it.

This is a dumb way to run a discussion forum. If that’s the standard, how does every topic not eventually turn into a race to the bottom where people just post the worst thing they can find about whoever or whatever is being discussed? It’s not like anyone on that forum is in a position of power to change anything. You’re just shitting up the conversation.

What they need is a separate containment thread where they can hate on all the people they want.

[Uncle]

Shame these games can't be converted into single player / coop experiences in some way. All those creative resources disappearing into the void.

Sometimes you question if some of them even grasp how games work.

I tend to agree with this though, I don't like to see good assets go to waste, I like game preservation even if I don't necessarily care about the game

you could plausibly argue that some or all of the assets are the actual problem in making the game unlikable but I think that's less of an issue in highguard, people weren't really criticizing the characters for being fat nonbinary ethnics, or the art style for being "woke" or whatever, it was more just trying to enter into a saturated market with a game really limited in scope that just has the vibe of everything else you've ever seen for the past decade

but like...you could probably use the ground textures and the plant models and the horse animation and the background music in other contexts to make something worth enjoying

[benji]

It's a multiplayer game, there's not like "levels" or anything, it would take a massive amount of investment to create a single player/co-op game out of it. They can't even afford to keep the game up, let alone work on this.

[Mediocre Lager]

I love how every time someone points out there's too much negativity and aggression on the forum the usual suspects always respond with the same thing: Increased negativity and aggression.

[Uncle]

It's a multiplayer game, there's not like "levels" or anything, it would take a massive amount of investment to create a single player/co-op game out of it. They can't even afford to keep the game up, let alone work on this.

I'm aware, I'm not saying "the team should rework this," I'm saying that in an ideal world, literally every game asset should go into the public domain for others to use for whatever they want, so that the effort doesn't have to go to waste

[Uncle]

   

[benji]

It's a multiplayer game, there's not like "levels" or anything, it would take a massive amount of investment to create a single player/co-op game out of it. They can't even afford to keep the game up, let alone work on this.

I'm aware, I'm not saying "the team should rework this," I'm saying that in an ideal world, literally every game asset should go into the public domain for others to use for whatever they want, so that the effort doesn't have to go to waste

Yeah, not surprised you want to steal artists, especially Black artists, work rather than PAY THEM.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Western entitlement is at an all time high.

y'all can't even get free healthcare, housing, and food. What makes y'all think you have any chance at a Bloodborne remake too?