Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-ever-going-to-be-a-solution-to-decrease-hateful-content-on-the-internet.755281/

I ask this as I was just browsing the comments on a few Instagram videos. Just an unending sea of uninformed, nasty, hate filled vitriol. Encouraging and defending child abuse. Body shaming. Toxic masculinity. Racism. Misogyny. Homophobia. Transphobia. It's all out there. Uncensored. Unchecked. Unchallenged.

I don't understand how people who create content do it, if they are actively reading through or participating in the feedback that they receive.

Is there a solution to this? It's everywhere. News articles, YouTube comments, Instagram, every form of social media you interact with.E very where you look, the comment sections are just scorched Earth hatred.

Is it dystopian to want some sort of social credit score or some shit for online interactions? There needs to be some sort of system in place to incitivize people to be decent to one another online, and be respectful in what they say to one another. The loudest, nastiest, angriest people in the room are drowning out the normal conversation.

How do you think we could approach trying to solve this issue?

Nope, nope, nope, nope, I'm not going to click on the thread where progressives demand cops cut off minorities from the internet without due process.

[BadAss2961]

People are getting tired of Marvel's capeshit, so no one has time to watch DC try to emulate Marvel's capeshit through similar cookie-cutter films.

Only answer for DC/WB at this point is to shelve the universe concept indefinitely. Separate itself though attempts at actually making real movies that take themselves seriously, like what they do for Batman. Then maybe a team up idea that would be worth something could happen organically over time.

James Gunn isn't going to do shit. Dude should be writing tv episodes and vidya games.

[remy]

The DC thing is such an own goal because the Rpattz one was actually legit as fuck and they keep trying to do the moronic marvel cinematic universe shit

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Nope, nope, nope, nope, I'm not going to click on the thread where progressives demand cops cut off minorities from the internet without due process.

What about Nepenthe economic theory?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/when-will-americans-start-taking-climate-change-seriously.755296/#post-110717884

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/struggling-in-baldur’s-gate-1-can’t-get-through-3rd-lv-of-nashkel-mines.755332/#post-110722462

The game just came out. This can be discussed in the OT

Resetera posters don’t read OPs, mods don’t even read the titles

Holy fuck 

Transistor reopened the thread

The game just came out. This can be discussed in the OT.

EDIT: Numbers are hard. And I've been drinking. Carry on.

I don't think he's drunk.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-ever-going-to-be-a-solution-to-decrease-hateful-content-on-the-internet.755281/page-2#post-110721928

remove all comments on all social media platforms besides internet discussion forums. label extremist content (from either side) l

what does "extremist content" from the left looks like to you?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/6th-circuit-2-1-anti-trans-ruling-reinstates-tn-healthcare-ban.739827/#post-108664011

if you're trans you need to start thinking about what your bright lines are, what you're willing to do for your dignity and your community when they're crossed, and who will be alongside you doing it, regardless of whether or not we have mass mobilization behind us at that point.

[benji]

Nope, nope, nope, nope, I'm not going to click on the thread where progressives demand cops cut off minorities from the internet without due process.

What about Nepenthe economic theory?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/when-will-americans-start-taking-climate-change-seriously.755296/#post-110717884

The problem is that people are trying to fight an issue caused by consumption though merely consuming different things, instead of trying to reform the economic order to be one about sustainability and healing. Individual efforts are not going to work (which naturally is paralyzing to a population brought up on American exceptionalist, "you're the protagonist of your own story" bullshit). Climate change is a fundamental failure of capitalism. If you are not fighting capitalism, then you're not really doing much in the long run.

Yeah, I fully agree with this. The only way to beat climate change is to overthrow the capitalist hierarchy. That is the way forward.

Capitalism is the problem and so is the false notion that humans are outside of nature, inherently selfish and destructive to nature. It ignores millennia of indigenous folks finding their niche within their environment, and the colonial violence brought upon those folks to dominate nature for exploitation and profit.

Humanity is a history of oppressed and oppressors, ignoring that duality gets us nowhere. We can’t individually consume our way out of structural problems, the power structures must be overthrown and retribution must be demanded.

Has the Chinese government done a 180 on climate issues? Feels more like a fundamental failure of "power" in general. The driving force of that power being capitalism in America. So you're not wrong but it wouldn't solve everything globally.

China is one of the leading countries in adopting global energy and subsequently driving down costs, so I'm not sure what you're talking about, especially since "power" is too broad of a concept to apply to this specific sitution. Humans have always had power structures, but it is only within the last 200 years that we thought it was okay for those with power to boil the planet without the risk of any of them being dragged out of their houses. So I will once again repeat for the people in the back: the reason we are in this mess is because of the forced global adoption of capitalism. The only way we are going to give our species somewhat of a chance is to fundamentally get rid of capitalism or at least stymie it as much as possible. Otherwise, it's like you're trying to save the Titanic with a bucket.

There are plenty of people who are tangibly doing things to fight systemic hurdles of climate change; you just don't hear about them on the news for obvious reasons. Don't give in to the temptation of believing that the world is full of nothing but folks who do not care, because that's pretty much what capitalists want you to think. Sure, your social circle isn't cutting back meaningfully, but there are plenty of individuals who are doing that and much, much more. Best advice I can give is to find those people, in real life and online, and get in good with them. First thing you need in the long fight is hope, and being apart of bigger efforts to fight is good for a dose of that.

Climate change is not the main problem, it's just a symptom of the main problem which is a human cultural/biological problem more than anything. We're still monkeys seeking instant gratification and we've managed to get that x10000 since we discovered fossil fuels. Add to that capitalism and all the negative incentives it generates to corrupt and misinform the population. To change things we would need to change our politics worldwide in a very coordinated way and that only happens democratically by having an extremely intelligent and educated electorate that votes with very strong majorities to candidates that know what needs to be done and that the population as a whole is willing to take on the challenge and sacrifices this will require. It's really difficult to imagine we will be able to do this.

The person that's on top of this metacritic conversation at the highest level in my opinion is Daniel Schmactenberger and Nate Hagens

It's great that China is adopting global energy NOW (just as a large chunk of countries have "promised" to do). But let's not pretend that they weren't a factor in getting us in this situation to begin with, all without capitalism. I guess you could argue that it was money that was the problem so... still capitalism in a way. And dealing with the problems of capitalism is definitely going to be necessary. But even then, I would argue that the people in power are the real issue when they are the ones actively trying to prevent any change from happening.

China's accelerated carbon output due to industrialization still doesn't hold a candle to the sheer amount of pollutants that America and Europe put out since the 1800s which is primarily why shit is the way it is, (and funnily enough, we actually knew since the 1800s that putting pollution in the air was a bad idea for the long term health of our climate). So once again, don't know why we're harping on China!

Money also isn't a unique feature of capitalism. We've had coins for thousands of years.

And of course "the people in power" are the issue, but specifically the people in power are currently in charge of the capitalist framework that is the overall reason why the planet is on fire. "Power" is a lazy criticism; "power" can be weilded in an innumerable amount of ways. The problem specifically is that capitalists are refusing to budge on their unsustainable habits because to do so means to relinquish capital, which is the opposite of what they want to do. They've already written off millions of lives in the Global South and are preparing to hunker down for the worst of climate change. Either we do something about them personally, or we do something about the system in which they are allowed to continue amassing capital at the expense of billions. Those are our two options if we truly care about halting this in its tracks.

I strongly believe we will collectively choose to suffer forever. People will simply direct their ire into complaining about the weather instead of actually trying to fix anything. We can't even give up combustion-engine vehicles, how can we ever hope to go further even than that?

The reason that we are stuck with combustion cars is more the result of systemic factors outside of our individual control than any real biological desire to own a gas-guzzling monstrosity. The highway-ification of our country, urban and suburban sprawl, the destruction of walkability and public transportation, the demonization of non-car owners, etc. None of us were in the board rooms and Congress chambers of these pivotal decisions. We were born into a world where the environment incentivizes us to get a car.

The problem is not human nature. The problem is a relatively small amount of people leveraging their power to maintain bad environments that force us to make bad decisions.

Capitalism is part of it, sure, but it's science and industrialization that are to blame too. People want stuff. Making stuff is bad for the environment.
Before science and industrialization, people could fuck up their own environment, but global reach was not such a problem.

Your island goes to hell, the planet goes on. You fuck up a whole continent, there are others. Even this fucking up, it could usually be fixed, you move away, nature comes back, maybe not quite the same, maybe not every species, but enough.

Now, we're wanting stuff on a global level. And fucking up on a global level.

And as a species, we'll keep doing it until we hit a wall where we simply can't anymore. Or we science a way to keep doing what we want without screwing the environment.

We could certainly make it easier on us if we made the rich stop fucking up the environment as much as they do, wouldn't fix it, but it certainly would help.

Capitalism is part of it, sure, but it's science and industrialization that are to blame too. People want stuff. Making stuff is bad for the environment.
Before science and industrialization, people could fuck up their own environment, but global reach was not such a problem.

This is a very simplified train of thought.

Agrarian and communal societies were focused on renewability and sustainability, primarily because it made sense to not fuck up the land in the pursuit of a scale of output you did not need nor could even trade or sell to neighboring villages and cities, but also because common ownership over the land was just, like, the default. It was never just your land your were fucking up, but everyone's, and good luck getting away with that without getting a deserved blade through the neck, assuming you would ever be raised in such a uselessly greedy state of mind to think that would be a good idea.

There's also the fact that these societies did not reach the development stage where "stuff" was being produced on such a massive scale to come anywhere close to causing the amount of damage that has been wrought by industrialization and capitalism. That's not to say that these societies were intellectually incapable, but a myriad of innumerable social, cultural, and material factors means that capitalist industrialization wasn't necessarily a guaranteed pathway for most societies. Ultimately, we were just unlucky that Europe secured the oceans first.

Regardless, mining away for bronze by hand and naturalized tool and water systems for your amazing bronze artworks, or creating amazing silk garments by weaving together the strings from worms, or growing desired vegetables, spices, and other plants that people want, is not about to start throwing carbon in the air. These are not necessarily bad for the environment, especially in a world where the environment is culturally maintained, and the technological advancement is such that this isn't possible. What throws carbon in the air is both the net destruction of trees along with the burning of fossil fuels. These things are specifically the purview of American and European industrialization, as you noted. However, the reason the rest of the world followed suit with this is because of the barbarity of colonialism and its resulting genocides, and ultimately the forced installation of these systems in place.

It's not about "people want stuff." It's not about a vague "power." It's about a very specific system that runs off of environmental destruction helmed by a very specific set of people who want to keep it that way and are banking on the billions of people below them not understanding this basic reality.

Science somehow became a part of the culture civil war so it won't change. Not until the conservative death machine dies.

Eh, science has always been a part of societal strife, whether it's pure pseudoscience, cultural illiteracy on part of both laymen and scientists, the inequalities of technological advancement, etc.

Other people were trying to be stupider than her but she raised herself to the challenge.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-ever-going-to-be-a-solution-to-decrease-hateful-content-on-the-internet.755281/page-2#post-110721928

remove all comments on all social media platforms besides internet discussion forums. label extremist content (from either side) l

what does "extremist content" from the left looks like to you?

Irrelevant, that's not going to be up to you, it's going to be up to the self-chosen elites you're demanding have absolute power.

[Propagandhim]

It's cute how she thinks she'd last a week in an agrarian society.  Agrarian and hunter gatherer tribes just lived communally.  They never claimed territories and just sang kumbaya and songs of sustainability over the commons.

Ultimately, we were just unlucky that Europe secured the oceans first.

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Sweetheart, you're not *lucky* to "secure the oceans" when you're the only one building ships..

[Potato]

Agrarian societies? Just like those ones where a rural lord provided shelter and protection for his subjects in exchange for 12 hour days in HIS fields for NO ownership of the land on which they worked and NO share of the profits they earned...

There's a name for those types of leaders you fucking moron Nepehthne, they're called landlords and there's a name for those societies, it's called feudalism, and that's exactly what your "take a carrot, leave a carrot" economic system was designed to overthrow.

But you wouldn't know that because your definition of a landlord is someone who managed to work hard and buy an investment property...

Cunt.

[Propagandhim]

I think she means pre-feudal agrarian societies.  Like tribal people, hunter gatherers, and nomads.  Anything remotely related to European history, Nepenthe magically rejects as uniquely immoral and unethical, and adopts her own speculative fiction of a timeline created by magical people who all cooperate together to always do the right thing, communally, because theyre made of *stuff* that the yts arent.

[Boredfrom]

Even if they were way more ‘cooperative’ with each other, why anyone will think they were free of problems, conflict or “free of sin”. If anything that is a very Christian way of thinking about the world.

[Propagandhim]

Her economic beliefs are basically religion.  Capitalism as a corrupting force that invariably pits oppressors against the oppressed.  Salvation through enforced equity from the top down.  Individualism shunned for a common ethic that nobody can betray or they get their throats "deservedly" cut for holding blasphemous greedy, "useless views", using a top-down apparatus to enforce and create ritual and doctrine among people, no patience or budging for any opposing viewpoints that would otherwise stand against tests of scrutiny...

[Boredfrom]

Which is funny because she is one of the most egoistical and self centered people in the site.

[Besticus Maximus]

They think left wing means good things for 'good people like me', not chasing away the priests and landlords.

[Potato]

I think she means pre-feudal agrarian societies.  Like tribal people, hunter gatherers, and nomads.  Anything remotely related to European history, Nepenthe magically rejects as uniquely immoral and unethical, and adopts her own speculative fiction of a timeline created by magical people who all cooperate together to always do the right thing, communally, because theyre made of *stuff* that the yts arent.

Where people literally died by the age of 30 from malnutrition or were murdered by the tribe next door who discovered a better way to murder people to steal their food?



Actually, that's exactly what NepNep's economic theory would result in, as seen in every single attempt at communism...

[Boredfrom]

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The DC thing is such an own goal because the Rpattz one was actually legit as fuck and they keep trying to do the moronic marvel cinematic universe shit

I mean, is a ton of money and they were the first to do it in mass media ( DC animated universe ), I imagine they didn’t anticipated that theit most questionable management style decisions in that would amplify in the catastrophic decisions in the DCEU. but I feel that Disney/Marvel really got partially lucky with it given that the only other semi successful cinematic universe is the Monsterverse (and was about to flop before Kong VS Godzilla ).

MCU decay is fascinating for comic fans given the similarities with the problems that shared comic universe get when they start to focus in big grand events with interconnected stories rather than the individual stories being strong in their own right.

[Boredfrom]

I say this before, but I lost the hype about the MCU as early as Iron Man 2, I like see the films individually but I never followed it consistently because I really don’t care how everything interconnects if the film suffer from it. I get why people were blown away by InfinityWar/Endgame but I also think Disney/Marvel really, really got lucky because some stuff was already stinking since the beginning.

(Personal note, I hope Marvel stuff finally flops when the X-men get in, just because I dislike X-men fans (Era esque pettiness, I know )).

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-87#post-110657776

I've been thinking of making a bunch of templates for stickers or magnets like woman= human female-identifying adult or TERF = Radical Transphobe.

Feel free to ruin your fridge:

[benji]

Nepenthe is a whole hearted believer in the noble savage trope. It's a shockingly racist trope with no empirical evidence of being true, but dammit, she wants it to be. Sure, all those "communal" societies completely scarred their environments, hunted countless species and human tribes into extinction (and worse, slavery, rape, torture, etc.) and nobody even cared about sustainability until it was profitable but like they're not white so they totally have to be like in tune with nature or some shit that's just what poor darkies do.

Meanwhile, mutual exchange which she despises as "unnatural" and "greedy" is the only renewable and sustainable system ever devised. But she really hates it so obviously destroying it with no plan of what should replace it but unending violence between everyone is just so obvious that the only reason people resist is the brainwashing of the system she's escaped from in order to see the divine forces of history's truth.

What throws carbon in the air is both the net destruction of trees along with the burning of fossil fuels. These things are specifically the purview of American and European industrialization, as you noted.

North America has more trees than ever before in history, but Nepenthe does not care because she can't fathom how maintaining a supply of trees is not only profitable but preserving trees simply for preserving them sake is only possible in a wealthy society. During the Cultural Revolution the Chinese deforested entire "commonly owned" mountains to meet the central plans quota and then the peasants were without anything to burn for heat so they had to destroy whatever was left. (Which was not much so they died en masse.) Despite having enacted exactly what she wants, she sees this as a consequence of capitalism since she presumes an utopia that is being deliberately denied rather than the poverty scarcity of wants that is the human condition.

However, the reason the rest of the world followed suit with this is because of the barbarity of colonialism and its resulting genocides, and ultimately the forced installation of these systems in place.

Notice how she rejects the agency of the non-whites. They cannot want wealth and improved lives, it must be forced on them by the yts. Thankfully, benevolent Nepenthe (from America) is here to return them to permanent impoverished conditions for their and her spiritual benefit.

If you can't understand why she's so tired maybe you should try caring as much as she does about everyone on the planet.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/total-war-community-is-rebelling-against-creative-assembly’s-new-dlc-price-and-for-good-reason.755275/

Gamers rise up!

i came into this expecting them to have fucked up horribly

not to have made a slightly bigger DLC pack $25 instead of $10 lmao

unhinged

When do we get the death threats going too, gamers??

You know what I legit hate  about Gamergate? That their incompetence let that some communities like RE to act like corporate boot lickers by default because they cannot comprehend that fans can have legit complains to companies, that getting offended by “review bombing” is laughable and that “gamer” entitlement is not a reason to side with a greedy and incompetent studio.

[benji]

I'm going to need a staff communication about when exactly it's fine to protest something you don't like and when it's not. Like, have I been collecting "legal" weapons for nothing?

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-87#post-110657776

I've been thinking of making a bunch of templates for stickers or magnets like woman= human female-identifying adult or TERF = Radical Transphobe.

Feel free to ruin your fridge:

I know, she didn't put that TERF BITCH JOANNE for TERF

[benji]

Why would you put something that looks like shit on your fridge for only yourself to see?

Shame we can't convince them it's queer to get them as magnets and put them on their computer cases.

[BadAss2961]

Wow, that Rowling thread is still going. Apparently it's become the all encompassing TERF thread?

[benji]

I'm going to need a staff communication about when exactly it's fine to protest something you don't like and when it's not. Like, have I been collecting "legal" weapons for nothing?

 

Oh you know, just that 5% that is about real human lives. 

[benji]

The problem specifically is that capitalists are refusing to budge on their unsustainable habits because to do so means to relinquish capital, which is the opposite of what they want to do. They've already written off millions of lives in the Global South and are preparing to hunker down for the worst of climate change. Either we do something about them personally, or we do something about the system in which they are allowed to continue amassing capital at the expense of billions. Those are our two options if we truly care about halting this in its tracks.

I strongly believe we will collectively choose to suffer forever. People will simply direct their ire into complaining about the weather instead of actually trying to fix anything. We can't even give up combustion-engine vehicles, how can we ever hope to go further even than that?

The reason that we are stuck with combustion cars is more the result of systemic factors outside of our individual control than any real biological desire to own a gas-guzzling monstrosity. The highway-ification of our country, urban and suburban sprawl, the destruction of walkability and public transportation, the demonization of non-car owners, etc. None of us were in the board rooms and Congress chambers of these pivotal decisions. We were born into a world where the environment incentivizes us to get a car.

The problem is not human nature. The problem is a relatively small amount of people leveraging their power to maintain bad environments that force us to make bad decisions.

I skimmed over these earlier but just actually read them. The call for violence is pretty boring at this point so I'm focused more on her conspiracy theory where some dudes had a meeting back when Ford put out the Model T (1908-1927) and decided to destroy the "walkability and public transportation" that didn't exist and demonize "non-car owners" which would have been everyone so now we're all forced into the benefit of having cars.

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It's like Hayek said, but politely, these idiots can't even conceive of anything that wasn't intentionally designed and deliberately imposed on everyone by some kind of omnipotent force.

[Snoopy]

Carlton's pseud anti capitalist rants will never stop being funny.

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-87#post-110657776

I've been thinking of making a bunch of templates for stickers or magnets like woman= human female-identifying adult or TERF = Radical Transphobe.

Feel free to ruin your fridge:

Wait a second, didn't they swore they wasn't devaluing the word "woman" with this "inclusive" language? Turning the definition of woman into that reads and sounds demeaning as hell. Isn't this what Ana from the Young Turks initial gripe was in the first place?

The new, ever changing definitions of the word "woman" according to terminally online trans-people:
"Adult-female identifying human"
"Womb-havers"
"People with uterus"
"Birthing person"

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-87#post-110657776

I've been thinking of making a bunch of templates for stickers or magnets like woman= human female-identifying adult or TERF = Radical Transphobe.

Feel free to ruin your fridge:

Wait a second, didn't they swore they wasn't devaluing the word "woman" with this "inclusive" language? Turning the definition of woman into that reads and sounds demeaning as hell. Isn't this what Ana from the Young Turks initial gripe was in the first place?

The new, ever changing definitions of the word "woman" according to terminally online trans-people:
"Adult-female identifying human"
"Womb-havers"
"People with uterus"
"Birthing person"

I mean, that is them being inclusive. The idea is that identifying with a gender is enough to be considered that gender outside biological reasons (unless they need to prove that they have not advantages in sports, then hormones are magical enough to change your whole body). The other terms are used to differentiate them with biological women, they just don’t like when people remind them that they sound like misogynistic assholes rather than women.

Is like that comic panel with the dude sayin he is a feminist while calling a girl “kitten”.

“LOOK KITTEN. I DONT GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK. IF I SAY IM A WOMAN THEN BY GOD I AM ONE!”