Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-87#post-110657776

I've been thinking of making a bunch of templates for stickers or magnets like woman= human female-identifying adult or TERF = Radical Transphobe.

Feel free to ruin your fridge:

Wait a second, didn't they swore they wasn't devaluing the word "woman" with this "inclusive" language? Turning the definition of woman into that reads and sounds demeaning as hell. Isn't this what Ana from the Young Turks initial gripe was in the first place?

The new, ever changing definitions of the word "woman" according to terminally online trans-people:
"Adult-female identifying human"
"Womb-havers"
"People with uterus"
"Birthing person"

Let's see the one with the definition for "female" so we can know what they're "identifying" as.

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[Uncle]

historically I swear trans people insisted that sex and gender were different and you could identify as a woman without being female??

(but to acknowledge this fact regularly just made you an asshole trying not to honor their identity?)

"woman" should be "adult woman-identifying human," not "female," unless of course they're conflating shit and going full anti-science/biology

[Snoopy]

If ree was a country it would have a worse human rights record than China

[benji]

"woman" should be "adult woman-identifying human," not "female," unless of course they're conflating shit and going full anti-science/biology

That's just circular though, much better to make an extravagant claim and label any denial as genocide.

They've also been well into the anti-science/anti-biology realm for a while, to pick an enjoyable example:

I think what my research has come to demonstrate is that for the past 150 years or so, roughly since the time that people started performing transition or transitioning or whatever you want to call it, there has been this enormous public effort or attempt to produce a cast-iron reason why it doesn’t work or why it is suspicious.

There is a kind of conservative feminist position that argues that sex is set in stone, is assigned at birth. And I don’t agree with that. Most scientists I’ve spoken to seem pretty comfortable with the idea that sex, like any other biological category, is not a cast-iron law, but rather a sort of set of contingencies that can be played with and culturally reinforced or not culturally reinforced.

It’s a shame, really, because I love meeting other feminists, and Lavery’s feminism is extremely radical. For example, they wrote: “There is something about being treated like shit by men that feels like affirmation itself, like a cry of delight from the deepest cavern of my breast.” And let’s not forget this classic: “To be the victim of honest, undisguised sexism possesses an exhilarating vitality.”

Back to the penis. On Woman’s Hour, Lavery further trans-plained to Barnett how her question (“Can a woman have a penis?”) was, in so many ways, incorrect:

Grammatically it’s quite a strange construction anyway, whether a woman can have a penis, because it sounds as if it’s a woman who is asking permission to have a penis, rather than whether or not the category woman includes a subcategory of people that have a penis.

...

But Lavery persisted: “The question, can a woman have a penis, strikes me as a deliberately misleading construction”, admonishing Barnett and telling her that they had, given their reasons and explained “three times why that is a bizarre and pointless question!” Lavery was exasperated that there remains a group of women that do not believe “woman” includes a subclass of women that have penises.

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You go on to describe Forstater’s tweets as part of “a philosophical belief that sex is determined by biology.” In fact, the clause might indicate either of three things: either (1) a belief that sex as determined by biology is protected in law, (2) a belief that sex is determined by biology as protected in law, or (3) whether “a belief that sex is determined by biology” is protected in law (the question in the latter case being whether such a belief would be protected in law becauseit was right, or simply because it is a belief, and beliefs are protected in law). The question of whether law or biology comes first, a position on which is quite difficult to extract from your sentence as published, is of course the central question of the very debates in feminist philosophy (in the work of, for example, Catherine McKinnon and Judith Butler) that the current “gender critical feminists” either have not read, or act as though they have not read.

...

You will notice, Joanne, that I have not yet addressed the apparent substance of your essay: the “philosophical belief” you impute to Maya Forstater that “sex is determined by biology.” You flesh out this argument a little later:

I’ve read all the arguments about femaleness not residing in the sexed body, and the assertions that biological women don’t have common experiences, and I find them, too, deeply misogynistic and regressive.

Since you don’t say which arguments you’ve read (all of them?) I can hardly respond in detail: indeed, a significant part of my point here is that the supposed philosophical debate that is being silenced (concerning the meanings of something called “biological sex”) is both less censored, and much less interesting, than advertised. It is difficult to know how best to respond to the above bluster––perhaps by attempting to distinguish, as Judith Butler has so conscientiously done, between the body as a material object; the body as it presents itself to consciousness; the body as it is “sexed,” to use your passive construction (which, I take it, indeed derives from Butler); the body as its biological features are assigned particular kinds of taxonomic significance and legibility; the unpredictable effects and distinctions of those meanings as they change over time. Discriminations of this kind are usually necessary to any philosophical analysis of sex (not gender) in both analytical and Continental philosophical traditions: one can hardly characterize a body of knowledge that stretches back over a century, and has shaped the thoughts of millions upon millions of women, as “misogynist,” without sounding a little like one of those politicians who confesses himself sick of “experts.”

Less useful as scholarship than as ideology––as the mark of how a certain social class understands itself and represents itself at this moment in history––“J. K. Rowling Writes” is indispensable. It perfectly depicts a dishonest and insecure oligarchy, desperate to control access into its own terrains and repel invaders at the border. Though its author may have felt otherwise, “J. K. Rowling Writes” is the document of the Brexit era: a text that could rival the present Prime Minister for evasiveness, philosophically incoherence, and a liability to cover up felt intellectual inadequacy with bluff, unfunny jokes: “a lot of people in positions of power really need to grow a pair (which is doubtless literally possible, according to the kind of people who argue that clownfish prove humans aren’t a dimorphic species).”

I want to conclude with a contention of my own, for which I have no more evidence than a hunch and a few dozen conversations and anecdotes shared with my friends and allies in the LGBTQ community against whom, for whatever reason, you have declared war. We mostly don’t care whether “trans women are women,” and we have many positions on that. We mostly don’t care whether femaleness resides in the sexed body, or what “femaleness” is, or what “the sexed body” is, or what it means for a property to “reside” in a predicated object. We simply don’t believe you when you claim not to be transphobic, not because of these positions, but because of your failure to notice that your apparently blameless movement of frustrated common-sensers, has been infiltrated at every level by the kind of vicious, hostile bigots whose entire business is to defame and degrade the lives of trans women. From Maya Forstater to Graham Linehan, through the Heritage Foundation to WoLF, you have failed to address the hatred in your own ranks, and it is for that reason, and nothing to do with your banal opinions, that you must be called to account.

        Best wishes,

        Grace Lavery

[benji]

Couldn't find it right away so you'll have to live with my summary but the extended argument from Lavery's book is that because authors can change the genre of their work, humans can change their sex.

[HaughtyFrank]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/graceelavery/status/1405661319903289344?t=IqIPFJSmHQsWa2E8EDRstQ&s=19[/tweet]

So any gay person who does anal is now a woman? And what about women who don't actually have sex? Or trans women who didn't have surgery and take the active role during sex?
I wonder if they realize how much they're contorting to try and find a definition for women because they hate the more simple answer

[Uncle]

if I know a dude who is submissive, I have Prof. Grace Lavery's permission to call him "womany"

[benji]

I wonder if they realize how much they're contorting to try and find a definition for women because they hate the more simple answer

Obviously not because the "reproductive role" part rules out trans women.

[Venice]

**Wait a second, didn't they swore they wasn't devaluing the word "woman" with this "inclusive" language?** Turning the definition of woman into that reads and sounds demeaning as hell. Isn't this what Ana from the Young Turks initial gripe was in the first place?

The new, ever changing definitions of the word "woman" according to terminally online trans-people:
"Adult-female identifying human"
"Womb-havers"
"People with uterus"
"Birthing person"

Trans-strategy can be pretty much summed up like this:

1: Rewrite History
2: Rewrite Biology
3: Rewrite Centuries-worth of accepted dictionary definitions to fit the ideology of the current day

[NekoFever]

historically I swear trans people insisted that sex and gender were different and you could identify as a woman without being female??

(but to acknowledge this fact regularly just made you an asshole trying not to honor their identity?)

"woman" should be "adult woman-identifying human," not "female," unless of course they're conflating shit and going full anti-science/biology

The difference between sex and gender was one of their first lessons, back when they were making token efforts to sound reasonable. That's long since been salami-sliced away.

[Eric Cartman]

Regardless, mining away for bronze by hand and naturalized tool and water systems for your amazing bronze artworks, or creating amazing silk garments by weaving together the strings from worms, or growing desired vegetables, spices, and other plants that people want, is not about to start throwing carbon in the air. These are not necessarily bad for the environment, especially in a world where the environment is culturally maintained, and the technological advancement is such that this isn't possible. What throws carbon in the air is both the net destruction of trees along with the burning of fossil fuels. These things are specifically the purview of American and European industrialization, as you noted. However, the reason the rest of the world followed suit with this is because of the barbarity of colonialism and its resulting genocides, and ultimately the forced installation of these systems in place.

Look, we all know Nepenthe is the worst kind of moron - the moron that thinks they're the smartest one in the room - but this is so stupid its almost like they're deliberately trolling us

Bronze is an alloy made from copper and tin at extremely high temperatures, so unless you live near an active fucking volcano, you're powering your forge with fucking wood and / or fossil fuels, throwing carbon into the air, and also you probably don't have any fucking emissions standards or exhaust filtering while doing it, and its literally an example of early industrialisation

[HaughtyFrank]

Has nepenthe addressed yet how she plans to feed 7.8 billion people or is part of her utopia to wipe out 95% of the population?

[Uncle]

Regardless, mining away for bronze by hand and naturalized tool and water systems for your amazing bronze artworks, or creating amazing silk garments by weaving together the strings from worms, or growing desired vegetables, spices, and other plants that people want, is not about to start throwing carbon in the air. These are not necessarily bad for the environment, especially in a world where the environment is culturally maintained, and the technological advancement is such that this isn't possible. What throws carbon in the air is both the net destruction of trees along with the burning of fossil fuels. These things are specifically the purview of American and European industrialization, as you noted. However, the reason the rest of the world followed suit with this is because of the barbarity of colonialism and its resulting genocides, and ultimately the forced installation of these systems in place.

Look, we all know Nepenthe is the worst kind of moron - the moron that thinks they're the smartest one in the room - but this is so stupid its almost like they're deliberately trolling us

Bronze is an alloy made from copper and tin at extremely high temperatures, so unless you live near an active fucking volcano, you're powering your forge with fucking wood and / or fossil fuels, throwing carbon into the air, and also you probably don't have any fucking emissions standards or exhaust filtering while doing it, and its literally an example of early industrialisation

everyone on resetera constantly reinforces how important it is to be an alloy

[Venice]

Also Nepenthe: "The Universe was created by the enslavement and genocide of black people by the white Big Bang colonisers"

[benji]

Has nepenthe addressed yet how she plans to feed 7.8 billion people or is part of her utopia to wipe out 95% of the population?

I contend her posts in her thread about the benefits, and perhaps need, of an apocalypse remain the fullest outline of her vision: https://www.resetera.com/threads/your-apocalypse-is-bad-and-wrong-and-i-would-know-a-jamaicans-critique-of-western-post-apocalyptic-game-settings.575245/

Her description of the "take a carrot, leave a carrot" utopia does not differ in any real way from what she explains in this one. And that strange incoherent Black Marxist screed she once linked (but did not understand from what she posted about it) had similar wistful notions about mass death being essential to bringing liberation. (I believe the woman was actually being somewhat facetious, intending it to be a criticism of capitalism.)

Perhaps most ironically, Nepenthe seems entirely unaware of and does not seem to have READ. SETTLERS.

[Eric Cartman]

Look, we all know Nepenthe is the worst kind of moron - the moron that thinks they're the smartest one in the room - but this is so stupid its almost like they're deliberately trolling us

Bronze is an alloy made from copper and tin at extremely high temperatures, so unless you live near an active fucking volcano, you're powering your forge with fucking wood and / or fossil fuels, throwing carbon into the air, and also you probably don't have any fucking emissions standards or exhaust filtering while doing it, and its literally an example of early industrialisation

everyone on resetera constantly reinforces how important it is to be an alloy

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110725672

User Banned (1 Month): Flagrant hostility and misrepresenting other users; account in junior phase

RIP to the owner. Heartbreaking.



They aren’t allies then. Being an ally only when it’s easy does not make anyone an ally.

Anyone of those that does get "pushed away" was never once an ally.

Yeah, by no means do I expect allies to put their lives on the line for a pride flag. Let that clown trash the flag and get gone. Then replace the flag when you feel its safe. Don't go out there confronting someone over a flag. In no way should people feel expected to prove their commitment to the cause by throwing their lives away for a flag. Y'all are fuckin' unhinged.

                                                                                                                                    

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726527

Gay man here, flamboyant as fuck and want to support this post since I guess we are dragging it. I will stand up to these fucks when I'm in the mood but will certainly code straight in environments that are transparently hostile when I am not (and I'm aware it's my privilege that I can do that). No ally should feel like they have to die for the flag. And I am not victim blaming, neither is AliGalactic. This sweet woman did no wrong but it's not an obligation.

See how many fresh new allies yall get with this "but you have to be ready to die for our symbols" argument

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726881

The “allies” will fly the flag to show how much they love us but won’t do anything when an actual genocide is happening. As I said, I don’t care about the flag but the folks it represents I do care about.

You’re either with me when they come to put me on the wall or you’re not an ally to me.

[jorma]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110725672

User Banned (1 Month): Flagrant hostility and misrepresenting other users; account in junior phase

RIP to the owner. Heartbreaking.



They aren’t allies then. Being an ally only when it’s easy does not make anyone an ally.

Anyone of those that does get "pushed away" was never once an ally.

Yeah, by no means do I expect allies to put their lives on the line for a pride flag. Let that clown trash the flag and get gone. Then replace the flag when you feel its safe. Don't go out there confronting someone over a flag. In no way should people feel expected to prove their commitment to the cause by throwing their lives away for a flag. Y'all are fuckin' unhinged.

                                                                                                                                    

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726527

Gay man here, flamboyant as fuck and want to support this post since I guess we are dragging it. I will stand up to these fucks when I'm in the mood but will certainly code straight in environments that are transparently hostile when I am not (and I'm aware it's my privilege that I can do that). No ally should feel like they have to die for the flag. And I am not victim blaming, neither is AliGalactic. This sweet woman did no wrong but it's not an obligation.

See how many fresh new allies yall get with this "but you have to be ready to die for our symbols" argument

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726881

The “allies” will fly the flag to show how much they love us but won’t do anything when an actual genocide is happening. As I said, I don’t care about the flag but the folks it represents I do care about.

You’re either with me when they come to put me on the wall or you’re not an ally to me.

Thordinson:
He/Him/They/Them

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726881

The “allies” will fly the flag to show how much they love us but won’t do anything when an actual genocide is happening. As I said, I don’t care about the flag but the folks it represents I do care about.

You’re either with me when they come to put me on the wall or you’re not an ally to me.

Guess who just made ally status.

[benji]

"Why, yes, I am opposed to public executions of anyone. Feel free to thank me for my work on behalf of the cause."

edit:
"Daddy, what did you do during the genocide?"
"Changed none of my philosophical, moral and ethical positions."

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-3#post-110750206

Simply being LGBTQ+ means there are far too many folks out there wanting us dead.

It’s hard to be an ally, absolutely. Which is why I don’t use the word lightly. If others want to, that’s up to them.

If that’s what you want, I won’t begrudge you that and if you want to call folks allies who support us but won’t be there when things get rough, that’s up to you. I don’t think you’re wrong for wanting that.

What I mean is that I do not want a conditional ally. Just as I don’t want conditional friends or family. This is how I feel. If others feel differently, that’s up to them.

I use the term the same way you do. I'm trans. I determined long ago that ever being stealth was incompatible with my own politics, ethics, and the world I feel obligated to build. So I'm very openly trans in my personal life, and I have experienced violence because of it. I'm also openly trans as an activist in my professional life, which means I also get death threats from people who have never even seen me in person.

The bar for allyship for me is cleared only by those I can count on not to be silent as things continue to deteriorate. I set this bar based on my well-read understanding of how fascism ascended the first time. Silence is assent. I'm very fortunate that most of the people I interact with regularly are also trans (I know this is unusual) with similar politics and mental models of the world to mine, and they use this definition of allyship too. I acknowledge that not everyone does. That's fine; I don't peevishly police how others use the word unless I think it's doing harm, egregiously letting people off the hook, or intentionally undermining us.

Things are very, very, very serious. I sincerely believe we are speedrunning the exact same track as 1930s Germany, and this informs my work, my voice, and how I parse allyship.

People get shot for all manner of things in the US and I don't see much "welp never gonna do that again" yet when it comes to someone tearing down a pride flag suddenly we're 'unhinged' for suggesting allies are those who would continue to visibly stand up for our rights and presence in the world?

I really don't think expecting allies to call out people tearing down pride flags is some astronomical bar.

"If you call yourself an ally to a group of people and you aren't getting hit by the stones being thrown at them, then you aren't standing close enough."
— Stan Mitchell

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110725672

User Banned (1 Month): Flagrant hostility and misrepresenting other users; account in junior phase

RIP to the owner. Heartbreaking.



They aren’t allies then. Being an ally only when it’s easy does not make anyone an ally.

Anyone of those that does get "pushed away" was never once an ally.

Yeah, by no means do I expect allies to put their lives on the line for a pride flag. Let that clown trash the flag and get gone. Then replace the flag when you feel its safe. Don't go out there confronting someone over a flag. In no way should people feel expected to prove their commitment to the cause by throwing their lives away for a flag. Y'all are fuckin' unhinged.

                                                                                                                                    

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726527

Gay man here, flamboyant as fuck and want to support this post since I guess we are dragging it. I will stand up to these fucks when I'm in the mood but will certainly code straight in environments that are transparently hostile when I am not (and I'm aware it's my privilege that I can do that). No ally should feel like they have to die for the flag. And I am not victim blaming, neither is AliGalactic. This sweet woman did no wrong but it's not an obligation.

See how many fresh new allies yall get with this "but you have to be ready to die for our symbols" argument

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726881

The “allies” will fly the flag to show how much they love us but won’t do anything when an actual genocide is happening. As I said, I don’t care about the flag but the folks it represents I do care about.

You’re either with me when they come to put me on the wall or you’re not an ally to me.

So why does this one person get banned but not echo who agrees with her entirely? Is it because echo managed to sneak in that he's gay? If he wasn't, would that then make his opinion suddenly invalid? What kind of basis are they evaluating these arguments or is it just about who is making the argument? 
And to top it off they say that she's "misrepresenting other users" when Thordinson straight up talks about how you better get executed along with him.

Fucking genocide larpers

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-3#post-110750206

Things are very, very, very serious. I sincerely believe we are speedrunning the exact same track as 1930s Germany, and this informs my work, my voice, and how I parse allyship.

I'd love to hear it, please, go on about the speedrunning.

You do know that between 1924-1929, so before the 1930's, that paramilitary street battles in Weimar Germany had already claimed over a hundred combined Nazi and Communist lives, right? (This does not include the lives of members of any other parties such as the Social Democrats or various conservative parties who had their own paramilitaries and street battles. Nor anything related to the crushing of the Soviet Republics years before.)

Are you suggesting that January 6th was the Beer Hall Putsch and that Trump will be writing an unreadable manifesto from prison? Because that means we're already a few years behind on this whole speedrunning thing.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110725672

User Banned (1 Month): Flagrant hostility and misrepresenting other users; account in junior phase

RIP to the owner. Heartbreaking.



They aren’t allies then. Being an ally only when it’s easy does not make anyone an ally.

Anyone of those that does get "pushed away" was never once an ally.

Yeah, by no means do I expect allies to put their lives on the line for a pride flag. Let that clown trash the flag and get gone. Then replace the flag when you feel its safe. Don't go out there confronting someone over a flag. In no way should people feel expected to prove their commitment to the cause by throwing their lives away for a flag. Y'all are fuckin' unhinged.

                                                                                                                                    

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726527

Gay man here, flamboyant as fuck and want to support this post since I guess we are dragging it. I will stand up to these fucks when I'm in the mood but will certainly code straight in environments that are transparently hostile when I am not (and I'm aware it's my privilege that I can do that). No ally should feel like they have to die for the flag. And I am not victim blaming, neither is AliGalactic. This sweet woman did no wrong but it's not an obligation.

See how many fresh new allies yall get with this "but you have to be ready to die for our symbols" argument

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-2#post-110726881

The “allies” will fly the flag to show how much they love us but won’t do anything when an actual genocide is happening. As I said, I don’t care about the flag but the folks it represents I do care about.

You’re either with me when they come to put me on the wall or you’re not an ally to me.

I sure as hell ain't a Ree ally.  Who wants to be an ally for those psychopaths?

[Eric Cartman]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/california-shop-owner-shot-dead-over-lgbtq-pride-flag-displayed-at-store.755269/page-3#post-110750206

Things are very, very, very serious. I sincerely believe we are speedrunning the exact same track as 1930s Germany, and this informs my work, my voice, and how I parse allyship.

I'd love to hear it, please, go on about the speedrunning.

You do know that between 1924-1929, so before the 1930's, that paramilitary street battles in Weimar Germany had already claimed over a hundred combined Nazi and Communist lives, right? (This does not include the lives of members of any other parties such as the Social Democrats or various conservative parties who had their own paramilitaries and street battles. Nor anything related to the crushing of the Soviet Republics years before.)

Are you suggesting that January 6th was the Beer Hall Putsch and that Trump will be writing an unreadable manifesto from prison? Because that means we're already a few years behind on this whole speedrunning thing.

Maybe they mean how in the 1930s people were self medicating with amphetamines and getting fucked up on benzedrine, because tweaking on meth certainly does inform their voice and how they parse allyship, and I have to imagine thinking shit talking an elected official while working as a lobbyist seemed like a good idea while buzzed right up to the point they got shitcanned

[Orange Juice Box]

Attention whores gonna attention whore.

Genesius

My psychiatrist freaked out and basically forced a therapist on me at my last appointment, so my first session is in a few weeks. I don't know how many 

Who goes to a psychiatrist and not a therapist?  usually a therphist will tell you to do a session with a psychiatrist to identify medical maladies.  

Has nepenthe addressed yet how she plans to feed 7.8 billion people or is part of her utopia to wipe out 95% of the population?

https://youtu.be/XjkFUWoRQG8?t=102

[Polident]

Can I admit to being lost here. Right leaning types get angry about the flag on mouthwash, skittles, starbucks, beer, and pretty much every major brand and company. It’s silly to get so angry about it. But the larger point here is the entirety of corporate America has their (multiple) back. It’s a weird disconnect between reality and this online despair pit.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/after-all-these-%E2%80%9Cchicken-sandwiches-wars%E2%80%9D-the-mcdonald%E2%80%99s-mcchicken-still-reigns-supreme.755395/
Dude who got bit by a bat

It’s cheap, it’s filling and if you order it through the app you can get some good deals.

Sure Burger King, Popeyes, etc can make people fall for the hype but the McChicken will always be there for you.

For $2 you can have a spicy one or normal

And don’t get me started on the daily double

That bat really fucked him up 

Edited: Nvm he's not the one trying to catch a bat only to get bit by it lol

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-am-pretty-sure-i-tipped-the-pizza-guy-109-instead-of-10-aint-that-a-kick-in-the-head.755461/#post-110740033

Just ask for your money back. I’m sure they’ll understand the mistake and happily fork it back over.

[Taco Bell Tower]