Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[almostheathen]

Even the cats know Echos is fucking weird, it's not because it's feral.

[Boredfrom]

I don't want to see AI art in any sort of capacity. I'm a luddite when it comes to this. You couldn't pay me to watch a movie or play a game or read a book that some learning model regurgitated from training data. :v There's no soul in it. I won't do it.

Honestly, it has potential uses in the creative field.  

I’m more like Benita that I don’t oppose it by default and I know it is useful in other fields.

But some people in the Bore can be weird about artists and writers.

[Uncle]

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On the creative side, sure nobody wants to live in a world where every book or movie is created by a "prompt engineer" but I simply don't see that happening. People still play instruments despite computers being able to create music for decades now.

honestly? I only care if the quality is good

if a "prompt engineer" can make better movies than lotr, indiana jones, star wars, especially better than the current content coming out surrounding these franchises, then hell I will watch them

kind of like saying no one wants a star trek food replicator where you eat slop made by a computer all day, if it's delicious and nutritious then I absolutely do not care, sign me up for the food replicator

You are not going to get this in your lifetime and you are actively fucking with people that make quality because clueless execs don’t care. Everyone smells it like techno bro BS, even if they have real since behind it. 

Strive for real balance and people will be way less aggressive against AI.

I really don't know what you're talking about

I don't care whether it happens or not, I'm saying I don't care as long as the quality is good

I can already say "make a picture of a fat man assembling a gundam or whatever" and the quality is good enough that I will use it for a meme rather than rejecting it in favor of drawing it or photoshopping it

as of today you are already able to type:

Create a 3D city scene using Three.js that features a bustling urban environment with skyscrapers, apartment buildings, and smaller shops lining the streets. Incorporate roads with moving cars, traffic lights, and pedestrian crossings to bring the city to life. Add pedestrians walking on sidewalks and crossing the streets to enhance realism. Include street elements such as lampposts, benches, and trees for a more immersive experience. Utilize dynamic lighting to simulate day and night cycles, and implement basic camera controls to allow users to explore the vibrant cityscape from different perspectives.

and get that basic skeleton of a video game, wholesale, in one shot

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1ixowy6/omg_claude_sonnet_37_is_insane_i_got_this/

we're already inches away from getting GTA 1 by simply typing a paragraph

I would rather play that than something less good than that

I don't see the problem

[Potato]

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On the creative side, sure nobody wants to live in a world where every book or movie is created by a "prompt engineer" but I simply don't see that happening. People still play instruments despite computers being able to create music for decades now.

honestly? I only care if the quality is good

if a "prompt engineer" can make better movies than lotr, indiana jones, star wars, especially better than the current content coming out surrounding these franchises, then hell I will watch them

kind of like saying no one wants a star trek food replicator where you eat slop made by a computer all day, if it's delicious and nutritious then I absolutely do not care, sign me up for the food replicator

You are not going to get this in your lifetime and you are actively fucking with people that make quality because clueless execs don’t care. Everyone smells it like techno bro BS, even if they have real since behind it. 

Strive for real balance and people will be way less aggressive against AI.

I would watch a fully AI generated Star Wars before I watch The Rise of Skywalker again.

[Boredfrom]

I really don't know what you're talking about

[Uncle]

I don't want to see AI art in any sort of capacity. I'm a luddite when it comes to this. You couldn't pay me to watch a movie or play a game or read a book that some learning model regurgitated from training data. :v There's no soul in it. I won't do it.

what about playing a video game made with snippets of code that were generated? is programming code any different?

what about watching a movie where the storyboarding was done with AI, but you never actually see anything AI generated on the screen itself?

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honestly? I only care if the quality is good

if a "prompt engineer" can make better movies than lotr, indiana jones, star wars, especially better than the current content coming out surrounding these franchises, then hell I will watch them

kind of like saying no one wants a star trek food replicator where you eat slop made by a computer all day, if it's delicious and nutritious then I absolutely do not care, sign me up for the food replicator

You are not going to get this in your lifetime and you are actively fucking with people that make quality because clueless execs don’t care. Everyone smells it like techno bro BS, even if they have real since behind it. 

Strive for real balance and people will be way less aggressive against AI.

I would watch a fully AI generated Star Wars before I watch The Rise of Skywalker again.

Bob Iger just had an orgasm by that idea alone.  

“I rather eat cat shit than eat horse shit.” Big corpo complies.

[Uncle]

I really don't know what you're talking about

you literally said that I'm fucking with people somehow because I said I don't care what I get from AI as long as the quality is good

I have no idea what you mean by this

what does "even if they have real since behind it" mean, I can't parse slayvenisms

[Boredfrom]

I really don't know what you're talking about

you literally said that I'm fucking with people somehow because I said I don't care what I get from AI as long as the quality is good

I have no idea what you mean by this

[Boredfrom]

You are not going to get this in your lifetime and you are actively fucking with people that make quality because clueless execs don’t care. Everyone smells it like techno bro BS, even if they have real since behind it. 

Strive for real balance and people will be way less aggressive against AI.

It's nowhere near as BS as "real balance" as a justification for outlawing technology.

Yes, I said that.   Thank you Benji.

Uncle and Benji are excellent AI evangelists and promoters of new technology.

[Uncle]

I think you have a need to be contrarian toward whatever is set in front of you, since you seem to have no trouble dunking on era when there are easily-defined objections to their silly statements, but then when that same need boils up toward reasonable statements you tend to go to pieces and have a hard time articulating yourself or forming rational, well-reasoned rebuttals, culminating in a single emoji rather than admitting "ok yeah, I kind of went hard in the paint over nothing there"

[Potato]

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You are not going to get this in your lifetime and you are actively fucking with people that make quality because clueless execs don’t care. Everyone smells it like techno bro BS, even if they have real since behind it. 

Strive for real balance and people will be way less aggressive against AI.

I would watch a fully AI generated Star Wars before I watch The Rise of Skywalker again.

Bob Iger just had an orgasm by that idea alone.  

“I rather eat cat shit than eat horse shit.” Big corpo complies.

I mean, I'd rather not eat shit at all and generally avoid it. 

However, if you're only giving me two options, AI Star Wars and TRoS, then the choice isn't even close. Give me my fork and some sauce and I'll dine on that AI shit all day. Regardless of the human input, TRoS was a steaming pile of elephant shit and I have no doubt AI would have, at the very least, generated a much more coherent script.

Because I know you are going to misrepresent my words, I will repeat for you. I would prefer to have a good film created by humans over any AI stuff, but if the only choice is between something competent but soulless from an AI and a big steaming insult to intelligence from a human creative...the choice is simple.

[Boredfrom]

I would prefer to have a good film created by humans over any AI stuff,

[Potato]

I would prefer to have a good film created by humans over any AI stuff,

There we go. Boredfrom selectively quoting and getting himself all riled up like a teenage girl over nothing.

Love you man. Never change.

Pretty sure everyone on here shares my opinion on AI vs human generated.

[Boredfrom]

I think you have a need to be contrarian toward whatever is set in front of you, since you seem to have no trouble dunking on era when there are easily-defined objections to their silly statements, but then when that same need boils up toward reasonable statements you tend to go to pieces and have a hard time articulating yourself or forming rational, well-reasoned rebuttals, culminating in a single emoji rather than admitting "ok yeah, I kind of went hard in the paint over nothing there"

Or you don’t want to accept the basic argument (AI is not ready for ‘quality’ and exec don’t care about quality, you are regurgitating Tech Bro talking points and not convincing people ) and says that “I don’t understand you”  

Like Benji still saying that I want AI banned.  

The AI fights here are exasperating to me because I DID TRY TO GET IN THE MIDDLE GROUND! But then got called Luddite because I dare to see it from an artist perspective.

[Potato]

I think you have a need to be contrarian toward whatever is set in front of you, since you seem to have no trouble dunking on era when there are easily-defined objections to their silly statements, but then when that same need boils up toward reasonable statements you tend to go to pieces and have a hard time articulating yourself or forming rational, well-reasoned rebuttals, culminating in a single emoji rather than admitting "ok yeah, I kind of went hard in the paint over nothing there"

Or you don’t want to accept the basic argument (AI is not ready for ‘quality’ and exec don’t care about quality, you are regurgitating Tech Bro talking points and not convincing people ) and says that “I don’t understand you”  
Like Benji still saying that I want AI banned.  
The AI fights here are exasperating to me because I DID TRY TO GET IN THE MIDDLE GROUND! But then got called Luddite because I dare to see it from an artist perspective.

Who are you arguing with?

What are you arguing about?

[Potato]

https://famiboards.com/threads/when-was-the-last-time-gaming-was-good.12708/

View results: when was the last time gaming was good

• around 40 years ago (1985) Votes: 7 10.6%
  
• around 35 years ago (1990) Votes: 1 1.5%
  
• around 30 years ago (1995) Votes: 0 0.0%
  
• around 25 years ago (2000) Votes: 3 4.5%
  
• around 20 years ago (2005) Votes: 10 15.2%
  
• around 15 years ago (2010) Votes: 3 4.5%
  
• around 10 years ago (2015) Votes: 3 4.5%
  
• around 5 years ago (2020) Votes: 2 3.0%
  
• gaming is still good (blatant lie) Votes: 37 56.1%

Middle-aged men and failure to launch 30-somethings pining for their golden years of being a stress and responsibility free child/teen.

[Boredfrom]

I think you have a need to be contrarian toward whatever is set in front of you, since you seem to have no trouble dunking on era when there are easily-defined objections to their silly statements, but then when that same need boils up toward reasonable statements you tend to go to pieces and have a hard time articulating yourself or forming rational, well-reasoned rebuttals, culminating in a single emoji rather than admitting "ok yeah, I kind of went hard in the paint over nothing there"

Or you don’t want to accept the basic argument (AI is not ready for ‘quality’ and exec don’t care about quality, you are regurgitating Tech Bro talking points and not convincing people ) and says that “I don’t understand you”  
Like Benji still saying that I want AI banned.  
The AI fights here are exasperating to me because I DID TRY TO GET IN THE MIDDLE GROUND! But then got called Luddite because I dare to see it from an artist perspective.

Who are you arguing with?

What are you arguing about?

Thank you for proving me point, uncle and potato.

[Jeff_at_the_laughfactory]

Jeffery's really spergin' out in the Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars thread. But he did mention someone was messing with him on Twitter with screenshots of his Era posts, can anyone confirm? I don't have Twitter.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

That one poster had the right of it, Luke dying from running out of mana killed my interest in the entire franchise. Super lame.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

I promise I'll stop abusing spoiler tags

[Uncle]

Or you don’t want to accept the basic argument (AI is not ready for ‘quality’ and exec don’t care about quality, you are regurgitating Tech Bro talking points and not convincing people ) and says that “I don’t understand you”  

you are arguing with some viewpoint far removed from what I said

AI is "not ready for quality?" ok then, so when I said I don't care as long as it's good, if it creates something which is not actually good, that would imply I don't want it, right?

if I say "hey AI, make a film for me that rivals the Avengers 1" and it gives me an hour of glitchy nonsense, then that doesn't fulfill the requirement of what I said, does it?

is this a breakfast question thing? are you having trouble with theoreticals? I say "if AI produced a good movie, I'd watch it" and you come back with "but AI doesn't produce good movies" as if that has anything to do with what I was talking about

[FUME5]

I have a simple prompt for all AI image generators - Marge Simpson bukakke party.

I'm basically Kyle Reese.

[benji]

Yes, I said that.   Thank you Benji.

Uncle and Benji are excellent AI evangelists and promoters of new technology.

Like Benji still saying that I want AI banned.  

Except that is what Era and the vast majority of anti-AI jihadists want and what we're disputing. Then you come in and dispute us disputing that, what are we supposed to think? Especially when you refuse to ever say what your position actually is, just endlessly taking issue that anyone is taking issue with Era being absurd, same as always.

[benji]

[benji]

Jeffery's really spergin' out in the Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars thread. But he did mention someone was messing with him on Twitter with screenshots of his Era posts, can anyone confirm? I don't have Twitter.

He is stepping back from Twitter (a site he pays $8 a month for) and moving his essential content to places he barely posts:

Last night, I posted a donation link for the Trans Lifeline non-profit.

Someone then replied with, "no one cares about gender confused tr*nnies."

It is clearly time to, for the most part, take a step back from this site.

I've been writing a lot since the start of the year. Talking about life, loss, and the deeply personal insanity of the last few years.

Over the coming months, I plan on sharing some of that writing through a series of blog-esque posts. I'll be posting those links here, as well as a couple really exciting announcements that are coming, but that's about it.

For those of you who want to watch me freak out over the upcoming Switch 2 Direct, talk about whatever K-pop song I'm currently obsessed with (hint: it's "Born Again" by Lisa), or just general cat-related nonsense, I'll soon be more active on the other sites.

Click and follow:

Threads - https://threads.net/@zeovgm

Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/zeovgm.bsky.social

[Polident]

https://famiboards.com/threads/when-was-the-last-time-gaming-was-good.12708/

View results: when was the last time gaming was good

• around 40 years ago (1985) Votes: 7 10.6%
  
• around 35 years ago (1990) Votes: 1 1.5%
  
• around 30 years ago (1995) Votes: 0 0.0%
  
• around 25 years ago (2000) Votes: 3 4.5%
  
• around 20 years ago (2005) Votes: 10 15.2%
  
• around 15 years ago (2010) Votes: 3 4.5%
  
• around 10 years ago (2015) Votes: 3 4.5%
  
• around 5 years ago (2020) Votes: 2 3.0%
  
• gaming is still good (blatant lie) Votes: 37 56.1%

Middle-aged men and failure to launch 30-somethings pining for their golden years of being a stress and responsibility free child/teen.

I can’t deny that’s the case. It is something to see people 10 years younger having heavy nostalgia for the mid 2010s. But that’s when I had a lot less free time, less frivolous spending. I think about all the bullshit I played on the PS2 and 360. I beat Dark Void yet I still haven’t started Witcher 3.

[Potato]

Or you don’t want to accept the basic argument (AI is not ready for ‘quality’ and exec don’t care about quality, you are regurgitating Tech Bro talking points and not convincing people ) and says that “I don’t understand you”  
Like Benji still saying that I want AI banned.  
The AI fights here are exasperating to me because I DID TRY TO GET IN THE MIDDLE GROUND! But then got called Luddite because I dare to see it from an artist perspective.

Who are you arguing with?

What are you arguing about?

Thank you for proving me point, uncle and potato.

I think these are more what you are angry with mate

[Potato]

Jeffery's really spergin' out in the Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars thread. But he did mention someone was messing with him on Twitter with screenshots of his Era posts, can anyone confirm? I don't have Twitter.

He is stepping back from Twitter (a site he pays $8 a month for) and moving his essential content to places he barely posts:

Last night, I posted a donation link for the Trans Lifeline non-profit.

Someone then replied with, "no one cares about gender confused tr*nnies."

It is clearly time to, for the most part, take a step back from this site.

I've been writing a lot since the start of the year. Talking about life, loss, and the deeply personal insanity of the last few years.

Over the coming months, I plan on sharing some of that writing through a series of blog-esque posts. I'll be posting those links here, as well as a couple really exciting announcements that are coming, but that's about it.

For those of you who want to watch me freak out over the upcoming Switch 2 Direct, talk about whatever K-pop song I'm currently obsessed with (hint: it's "Born Again" by Lisa), or just general cat-related nonsense, I'll soon be more active on the other sites.

Click and follow:

Threads - https://threads.net/@zeovgm

Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/zeovgm.bsky.social

Will he be posting these thoughts on other sites to the same huge audience he had at twitter?

He might even break his record of...18 likes.

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Yes, I said that.   Thank you Benji.

Uncle and Benji are excellent AI evangelists and promoters of new technology.

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Like Benji still saying that I want AI banned.  

Except that is what Era and the vast majority of anti-AI jihadists want and what we're disputing. Then you come in and dispute us disputing that, what are we supposed to think? Especially when you refuse to ever say what your position actually is, just endlessly taking issue that anyone is taking issue with Era being absurd, same as always.

BUT I DONT

I need to agree with either ERA or Uncle and you 100%?

[Boredfrom]

Who are you arguing with?

What are you arguing about?

Thank you for proving me point, uncle and potato.

I think these are more what you are angry with mate

Oh, hey, Benji just told me that I’m like anti AI Jihadist…

Are the windmills supposed to be me?  

(Also, not angry with you personally. I get your temperament )

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Or you don’t want to accept the basic argument (AI is not ready for ‘quality’ and exec don’t care about quality, you are regurgitating Tech Bro talking points and not convincing people ) and says that “I don’t understand you”  

you are arguing with some viewpoint far removed from what I said

AI is "not ready for quality?" ok then, so when I said I don't care as long as it's good, if it creates something which is not actually good, that would imply I don't want it, right?

if I say "hey AI, make a film for me that rivals the Avengers 1" and it gives me an hour of glitchy nonsense, then that doesn't fulfill the requirement of what I said, does it?

is this a breakfast question thing? are you having trouble with theoreticals? I say "if AI produced a good movie, I'd watch it" and you come back with "but AI doesn't produce good movies" as if that has anything to do with what I was talking about

My problem is selling theoreticals as something is already here and pretending that modern tech executives care and understand  technological advancement so quality concerns are Luddite talking points.