Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[benji]

but you don't get paid for your xeets.

I mean, you can be. But then you'd be taking money from a Nazi. And have to post on a Nazi site. (Like Alyssa Mercante and ZeoVGM... and Patrick Klepek sometimes.) Which makes you a Nazi or at the very least complicit.

[benji]

I should make these embed just for this: https://www.threads.com/@zeovgm/post/DJJHYcxTl1Q

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-19#post-139266138

The idea that "a gorilla's body is just like a human's" is pure fantasy.

Gorillas have muscle mass up to four times greater than humans, with bone density built to withstand stresses that would easily snap human bones. Their bite force exceeds 1,300 PSI, and their tendons and ligaments are thicker, tougher, and far more resistant to tearing. Even their skin is denser, especially over the chest, neck, and limbs — exactly where a human would try (and fail) to attack.

A gorilla isn't just a bigger human. It's heavier, stronger, faster, and biomechanically superior in every way.

Pretending you can "easily damage" one isn't science — it's wishful thinking.

Deep down, you already know who wins. You're just looking for a version where it hurts less.
❤️🦍

Famous Last Words:


I certainly didn't read the 28 pages of that thread, but I'll note that the pro-gorilla side seems to believe it's impossible for 100 humans to coordinate, plan, and fashion tools despite this being humans entire advantage in the world. In fact, this poster in one of his data-driven debunkings claims that humans coordinating at all in this scenario is "magical" thinking. Even though it happens constantly all the time and has for all of human history. 

He claims others are tipping the scales, and they probably are, with their weird imagined scenarios but his scenario designs claim that humans would fail because they couldn't hold the gorilla down forever. But they don't need to, they only need the largest humans to hold it down until the others determine and/or fashion a way to kill it. The gorilla needs to stay free the entire time. Heck, the humans don't even actually need to hold down the gorilla if they can mostly avoid it or distract it to preserve the killing design subgroup if necessary.

A lot of the pro-gorilla scenarios also write off the idea that any of the humans would sacrifice themselves, even though the scenario itself seems to posit some kind of fight to the death rather than the gorilla choosing to refuse to engage and the humans accepting this. This is required because the most rational course for both the humans and the gorilla is to avoid conflict so it's the most likely scenario to occur, the design has to remove this or there's not a debate to have. But making it a fight to the death means that some humans will sacrifice for the group even if not necessarily by choice. Almost all the scenarios on both sides on the one page I did read seem to act as if the goal is to have no deaths by the humans, but that seems like a different scenario than "who will win?" Isn't 99 human deaths and 1 gorilla death a win scenario for the humans? It's odd because many of the posters in that thread generally have no problem sacrificing others for their personal goals, to pick just one example Nepenthe is willing to kill billions in order to take a carrot, leave a carrot.

If there's room for argument is precisely because the person that originally came up with it thought so highly of Gorillas that to balance that they made the amount of humans way too high. Chances are they probably imagined the thing going down as a fight with men trying to punch the Gorilla, almost even with the men taking turns.

These motherfuckers never heard of David and Goliath, huh?

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

What sucks is I do feel bad for anyone losing their job. I know multiple people in my life who've wanted or went to work for journalism and it never went anywhere because of how oversaturated the field is.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bessent-if-holiday-orders-are-not-placed-it-could-be-devastating-for-china%E2%80%99s-economy.1178511/page-3#post-139385022

China's safety nets are limited to party elites and employees of strategically vital state-owned enterprises. Regular blue-collar workers and farmers are the human minerals that China is willing to sacrifice to weather the storm and back Xi's strongman approach.

This is not a new dilemma that China has faced. Since Trump entered office for the first time, there has been a need to expand domestic consumption in China, and the Chinese government has consistently emphasized that it must do so, but there have never been effective actions to directly increase average people's salaries or widely distributed relief funds. Recently, China's health insurance system has been plagued by scandals involving the purchase of large quantities of poor drugs, resulting in frequent medical problems and making it more difficult for regular people to get treatment.

In terms of political stability, China will likely last longer in a trade war than the US. Chinese people have endured things ten times harder than this. The Chinese internet is now full of self-deprecating jokes about 'learning to eat grass again'. But in terms of quality of life for those below the middle class, the Chinese will be more traumatised than the Americans, and this has always been the case in US-China conflicts.

I think much of this is nonsense but we'll see I guess how "traumatized" the Chinese will be and how chilaxed America is lol

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bessent-if-holiday-orders-are-not-placed-it-could-be-devastating-for-china%E2%80%99s-economy.1178511/page-3#post-139386351

I was just trying to chip in and point out some economic and systemic issues in China that influence the tariff war that are not well-known in the West, which are mainly absent from this discussion.

Consider another example: the issue of importing American soybeans. Many people here believe that importing soybeans from Brazil would be cheaper for China, but this is not the case right now. The reasons for this include the fact that loading at Brazilian ports is less efficient than in the US, resulting in higher transport costs, and the fact that Brazilian soybean prices have risen due to increased demand from China, all of which, along with a number of other factors, have contributed to recent price increases for soybeans and related products in China. And, of course, this has an impact on Chinese civilian lives.

This is not a "my team will last longer than yours" conversation for me. If you believe that economic information from China is unnecessary for the conversation and is "nonsense," that is fine with me; perhaps someone else will find that information worth reading.

I don't think of this is as absent from discussion there are almost daily yt videos talking about how China is fucked. I've been seeing them for years. That perspective is actually the most prominent in the west. Of course they have economic hardships but so does the U.S. At the end of the day America has atrocious leadership. Trump is a moron and so is everyone in his government. You can't ignore the mental acuity of leadership in accessing who will "win" in a conflict. I think it's THE most important aspect. Leadership in America is so bad that it overwhelms all other factors.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bessent-if-holiday-orders-are-not-placed-it-could-be-devastating-for-china%E2%80%99s-economy.1178511/page-3#post-139388436

And you continue to assume that I intended to argue whether Trump will "win" when I made it clear in my prior reply that:



As a Chinese, I just tried to discuss the potential harm to the Chinese people as a result of the trade war, as well as why this could become a long-term problem, and I was immediately presumed to be on the US's side. This is a common issue in political debates on this forum: people hunt for opportunity to misinterpret others and make it into a console war.

I don't care what side you are on. The thread is about Bessent and his assertion and I think it's more the opposite of what he says and that the American economy will suffer more. I think the pivotal factor is leadership in which America fails miserably.

You can talk about how much China will suffer all day if you want. The entire planet is under threat from Trump's megalomania. I don't want anyone to suffer. I also don't know what I would ever get out of talking about that extensively. We all know things are going to get bad. I am more interested in Trump's defeat and analyzing how foolish and delusional he and everyone around him is. Watching him continue to walk things back is proof enough to me that he doesn't have the cards.

I love how Resetera mods just sleep when someone is "dismissing concerns" about an actual serious topic.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-19#post-139266138

Famous Last Words:


I certainly didn't read the 28 pages of that thread, but I'll note that the pro-gorilla side seems to believe it's impossible for 100 humans to coordinate, plan, and fashion tools despite this being humans entire advantage in the world. In fact, this poster in one of his data-driven debunkings claims that humans coordinating at all in this scenario is "magical" thinking. Even though it happens constantly all the time and has for all of human history. 

He claims others are tipping the scales, and they probably are, with their weird imagined scenarios but his scenario designs claim that humans would fail because they couldn't hold the gorilla down forever. But they don't need to, they only need the largest humans to hold it down until the others determine and/or fashion a way to kill it. The gorilla needs to stay free the entire time. Heck, the humans don't even actually need to hold down the gorilla if they can mostly avoid it or distract it to preserve the killing design subgroup if necessary.

A lot of the pro-gorilla scenarios also write off the idea that any of the humans would sacrifice themselves, even though the scenario itself seems to posit some kind of fight to the death rather than the gorilla choosing to refuse to engage and the humans accepting this. This is required because the most rational course for both the humans and the gorilla is to avoid conflict so it's the most likely scenario to occur, the design has to remove this or there's not a debate to have. But making it a fight to the death means that some humans will sacrifice for the group even if not necessarily by choice. Almost all the scenarios on both sides on the one page I did read seem to act as if the goal is to have no deaths by the humans, but that seems like a different scenario than "who will win?" Isn't 99 human deaths and 1 gorilla death a win scenario for the humans? It's odd because many of the posters in that thread generally have no problem sacrificing others for their personal goals, to pick just one example Nepenthe is willing to kill billions in order to take a carrot, leave a carrot.

If there's room for argument is precisely because the person that originally came up with it thought so highly of Gorillas that to balance that they made the amount of humans way too high. Chances are they probably imagined the thing going down as a fight with men trying to punch the Gorilla, almost even with the men taking turns.

These motherfuckers never heard of David and Goliath, huh?

So they defeated them by Allah’s Will, and David killed Goliath. And Allah blessed David with kingship and wisdom and taught him what He willed. Had Allah not repelled a group of people by ˹the might of˺ another, corruption would have dominated the earth, but Allah is Gracious to all.

sad that Era shows their unwillingness to heed the word of Allah. 

[NekoFever]

I lasted five years in the games media before I got disillusioned and got a proper job.

I think I’ve told this story before, but a load of my colleagues got called out for tweeting unmarked promotional content in exchange for entry in a prize draw to win a PS3 at the Games Media Awards. Not even for a PS3; for the chance to win one.

And this was at the GMAs, celebrating the best of the best.

There was panic in the office because none of them thought they’d done anything wrong. Someone who was named (not one of my colleagues) threatened to sue the writer for libel.

(If you remember the Rab Florence/Eurogamer/Doritos Pope stuff, it was that.)

I laughed when the ethics in games journalism stuff started. It was shortly after this that they all started posting ethics statements about how they would no longer take free trips to Japan to sit in five-star hotels and review games with the PRs over their shoulder.

Please tell me more about the know-nothing YouTubers with no moral standards.

[Snoopy]

It's funny these people attack YT'ers when so many of them tried and failed to become YT'ers.

Meanwhile ree's preppers are busy prepping -

I'm wondering if I'm being paranoid, but I've been buying a lot more in anticipation of stock outs and rising prices.

I've leased an Ioniq 5. It comes with 2 years free charging. I've purchased a laptop, lots of toys for my toddler, 100 rolls of toilet paper, extra shampoo, soap, toothpaste, rice, electronic accessories, switch 2, candles, etc…

These are all things I would've bought within the next six months anyways if economic conditions were normal.

[Kyon1988]

Anyone got a Pokemon Go Plus + they dont use they'd send me?

I am getting the Pokemon sleep game to try and wrangle my terrible sleep habits with cute lil guys.

Added some Pokemon games to our Physical Media wishlist in case someone wants to give a trans blorb falling in love with Pokemon some joy:

linktr.ee/wyldwish (scroll down to Wishlists: Fun)

Given my extensive trauma around house fires & loss, I will be logging off for the evening to protect my mental health.

We still need $3200 for rent 💕💸

Please help?

Popped back to say if I die in the next few days alive I hope yall rally together to raise funds for my partner & dog to survive bc he is not able to do the asking on social media I do to bring in the survival donations.

well fuck guess I used the last bit of toothpaste this afternoon too...

what a few days its been...

Who's used SunBit for paying for medical care?

Ive got an appt on Monday for abscess treatment. Need to raise 1.3k as a payment

I also still need like 3.2k for rent, FFS...

About a star trek jacket;

This actually comes in my partner's size, so I might try fundraising this as a surprise, bc he loves Enterprise. 👀

(I have yet to see more than a few random eps back when it was airing

.

Partner has also been having a hellish week (& now is worried about me staying alive, which, mood)

Some kindness toward him would be appreciated by us both.

All posted last 12 hours. Insanity

Don't think I need to say who wrote this

[Eric Cartman]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-12#post-139219215

the CHAD GORILLA vs the VIRGIN HOMO SAPIENS FANFIC

I mean, I have absolute physical dominance over a rat in every single way that matters in a fight, but I sure as absolute fuck would not want to be swarmed by 100 of them

[Eric Cartman]

Anyway, if any of the humans can smuggle in some HRT it would take away the gorilla's advantages immediately.

[clockwork5]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/stock-market-drops-significantly-further-wiping-out-november-gains-after-tariff-confirmation-announcement-by-trump.1124400/page-249#post-139382013

The stock market needs to be decoupled from tech/digital companies. They don't accurately (at all) mirror the current economic landscape.

The biggest stock market should only include companies that correctly correlate the current economic situation of the country (retailers, manufacturers, resources, etc.)

This might be the most retarded thing I’ve ever read. 

The purpose of the stock market isn’t to act as some kind of barometer of the health of the economy.  Why would you even want it to do that? It is a vehicle to gain approximately 10% in value per year over a long term. It’s a tool for 25 year olds to turn $10,000 into $400,000. 

What is the reasoning for excluding high growth companies from this tool for retirement. Other than petty saltiness.

[Eric Cartman]

Can I fund this to happen somehow?

Because a workers commune staffed exclusively by american videogame journalists is probably the greatest reality tv show pitch I have ever heard.
It'll be Lord Of The Flies within a week.

[Eric Cartman]

I lasted five years in the games media before I got disillusioned and got a proper job.

I think I’ve told this story before, but a load of my colleagues got called out for tweeting unmarked promotional content in exchange for entry in a prize draw to win a PS3 at the Games Media Awards. Not even for a PS3; for the chance to win one.

And this was at the GMAs, celebrating the best of the best.

There was panic in the office because none of them thought they’d done anything wrong. Someone who was named (not one of my colleagues) threatened to sue the writer for libel.

(If you remember the Rab Florence/Eurogamer/Doritos Pope stuff, it was that.)

I laughed when the ethics in games journalism stuff started. It was shortly after this that they all started posting ethics statements about how they would no longer take free trips to Japan to sit in five-star hotels and review games with the PRs over their shoulder.

Please tell me more about the know-nothing YouTubers with no moral standards.

yeah, the rab florence article predated 'gamergate' and there were already conversations about the uncomfortable cosiness the gaming press had with the pr firms - $350 halo cat helmets, gtaIV reviews all being done over a weekend in a hotel, etc etc etc.

[Eric Cartman]

Showed this to my wife and she prefers the image on the right.

Ah well.

Why not show her some of the female character designs and post her thoughts in the whoreswhoreswhores thread, where I am sure some female input would be appreciated

[killamajig]

So women getting boob jobs for themselves is empowering but men getting muscles is toxic.


Got it.


Time to be a woman because there's no winning this game with these rules.

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/department-of-health-and-human-services-report-on-trans-youth-relies-on-junk-science-and-endorses-conversion-therapy.1179324/

[Boredfrom]

Is useless because it comes from Trump. 

Is the equivalent of Trans people propping Erin Reid’s shit.

[nachobro]

This is just like one of my anime's

how can i be both the victim and the hero

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-3#post-139259091

He started his walk
RIP

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-4#post-139284114

last update Tuesday night

RIP

Alive!

Ugh, I want to update this thread more but service out here is so sporadic. I also really want to reply to people but I'm so very tired every night. I promise I will tomorrow morning. In the meantime here a quick update and some more photos:

Day 3 complete.
Miles for the day: 15.8
Overall miles: 39.8
Weather: Heavy rains this morning, scattered showers through the afternoon, clear skies into evening.
Terrain: Mountains, hella mountains. Climbed Blood Mountain today in Chattahoichee National Forrest.
Elevation: 4,458
Mood: Going strong.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-4#post-139392870

I just got a few rpgs on my phone. Currently playing Chrono Trigger.

Are you solar charging your phone?

No I have 2 of these: Nitecore NB10000 Gen 3 Ultra-Slim USB-C Power Bank

[Alpacx]

"Fuck Capitalism"

Spoiler: NEVER FORGET (click to show)(click to hide)

I wonder whether Arthur Gies covered up his Polygon tattoo from the Press Reset video.

I thought of creating a Game Journalism thread when I joined. I used to spend time lurking QuarterToThree's game journalism thread and people here are cool and have interesting opinions.

But I just don't care about games media anymore. Read 0 websites, listen to 0 podcasts, watch zero streamers, watch 1 YouTuber. I used to read and listen to a lot but they chased me away and it's not like I was a Gamergate person.

[BananaBlast]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/more-games-need-explicitly-canon-trans-woman-preferably-playable-or-in-major-important-roles.1179711/

Pretty much what the title says, more games should have trans women characters (and trans men as well, but I want to focus this thread on trans women) in important and playable roles!

More fighting games should have trans characters! Poison, Bridget and Mai Natsume are good but we should have more, more MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE!!!! *eats the first person to reply, then spits them out because I'm a vegetarian and gives them £10 for clothes damage... This is a very weird sentence I realize as I'm typing this.*

We should have more canon trans women player characters in RPGs (honestly, their just should be more diverse canon leads in RPGs, not just player created ones, more stories about lesbians, gay men, black bi men, Non-Binary Autistic leads etc) and more trans characters in important roles.

Their should be more sports games where you can play as a trans person, whether it be a fantasy sport or a real life sport, especially in age where more and more sports organizations are showing how truly cowardly, transphobic and pathetic they are. Suck it to them, show trans people have their place in sport.

Nintendo should use Birdetta (why is it that people forget that "Birdo" is her deadname and Birdetta is the name she perfers to be called in the SMB2 Manual?) more often and I realize they don't like crossing over characters from the Paper series to the main series (why?) but I would love Vivian to reappear.

THERE SHOULD BE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-12#post-139219215

There's literally no strike a human male can deliver against a gorilla to incapacitate it. Conversely, every swing of the gorillas arm would take out any men caught in the blow. So assume 5-10 men dropped for every attack. Could the gorilla pull off 10 swipes before it's exhausted? Absolutely. Can any single man hope to do anything more than poke out the gorillas eyes? Do you think the gorilla is going to stop when that happens?

Gorilla wins all day everyday, and it's not even close.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-15#post-139226589

I genuinely cannot fathom how anyone believes a human could land any meaningful strike on a 500-pound silverback gorilla.

Outside of a direct hit to the eyes or groin — and even that would require improbable precision under extreme duress — there is nothing you could do with your hands or feet that would inflict any real pain. And the idea that you could even land that shot, against an animal faster, stronger, and infinitely more aggressive than you, is pure fantasy.

Silverback gorillas have been measured lifting over 1,800 pounds and pulling over 4,000 pounds. Its bite force exceeds 1,300 PSI — stronger than that of a lion. Its muscles are denser, its reflexes faster, and its instincts brutal. It doesn't need to kill you to end you; snapping a limb, tearing out a tendon, or breaking your spine with a casual swipe would be more than enough. And it could do it without even shifting out of second gear.

It's not fighting 100 men at once — it's bulldozing through the 5–10 poor souls closest to it, disabling them instantly, and creating a living wall of broken bodies between itself and the rest. It would move with terrifying speed, screaming with bloodlust, flinging torn limbs, shattered jaws, and gore into a panicked, retreating crowd.

Maybe — maybe — the gorilla would eventually tire from the slaughter, or lose interest once the immediate threats were nothing more than twitching wreckage.

But "landing a clean shot"? "Hurting it"? No. You don't even survive the first five seconds of the fight.

Rinse & repeat.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-17#post-139261188

Pages later, and Team 100 Men still has no credible plan.

Oh, a gorilla's punch is only dozens of times stronger than a human's? So the solution is… to kick it? Brilliant — offer your soft, breakable leg to a 500-pound primate whose grip can exert over 1,300 pounds of force — enough to shatter your ankle like a dropped wine glass, snap your femur (the hardest bone in your body) like a dry twig, or rip the entire limb off and beat you with it before you hit the ground.

Oh, but what if the men simply dog-piled the gorilla and smothered it? As if it would just lie down and let that happen. Go outside with your friends and try to "smother" a mid-sized sedan driving around a parking lot — and remember: a silverback moves faster than Usain Bolt at full sprint, and reacts several times faster than you can blink.

Every scenario where the men win is rooted in childish fantasy: a flawlessly disciplined army of fearless, pain-immune super-soldiers who magically coordinate… to land glancing kicks? To "overheat" the gorilla's stamina bar? To form a Cirque du Soleil–style human smother-blanket? Against an animal that could tear out your trachea with a single swipe, collapse your ribcage with a backhand, or rip the jaw clean off the screaming face next to you — while making eye contact.

LMAO.

If the men are magically fearless, then so is the gorilla. If the men are elite fighters, then so is the gorilla. Stop tipping the scale. Stop lying to yourself. Just explain, in simple terms, how a human is supposed to hurt a silverback gorilla with their hands or feet.

You can't.

Match for match. Pound for pound. Strike for strike. Bite for bite — the gorilla wins every time.

A gorilla doesn't need strategy. It doesn't need technique. It doesn't need to think. It just needs to close the distance — and once it does, you're not fighting anymore. You're being dismantled. Blunt trauma caves in the thoracic cavity, splintering ribs into lungs. Orbital bones shatter; vision goes red, then black. Fingers are torn off before pain can register. Vertebrae snap with a sound you barely recognize as coming from your own body. There's screaming, but it's distant — like it's happening in another room. Your limbs stop responding. Blood loss turns the world to static. The brain keeps trying to make sense of it all — but by then, you're already gone.

If there's one takeaway from this thread, it's that humanity's greatest weakness isn't frailty — it's hubris.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-18#post-139262913

Gorilla's are not bloodthirsty fighting machines in the wild. Humans (guides/researchers) have repeatedly approached them without having their limbs ripped off. They're powerful and could kill a human easily if threatened but it is not the same as approaching a grizzly.

100 men would be very intimidating for a single silverback and it would most likely flee than fight. 100 men keeping their distance and yelling and jumping like lunatics would have it running away and losing stamina.

Oh, I thought we were discussing "100 men fighting 1 silverback gorilla." Instead, it's "100 men happen upon a gorilla in the wild and yell at it from a respectful distance"…?
Come on.

You were talking about how a single gorilla's swing would take out 5 to 10 men at once just a few pages ago, so with all due respect you maybe shouldn't be giving novel-long lectures on fantasies.

I've backed up everything I said with hard data — anatomy, physiology, biomechanics. Now please, walk me through it: how does a human, using only hands or feet, injure a silverback gorilla in a fight?

Be specific. No vague "overwhelming it with numbers." No abstract tactics. Just tell me realistically how it's done.

Gorillas are much stronger than a person but they don't have the stamina. A determined group of humans could constantly harass it till its exhausted. And I'm not talking going punch for punch or anything like that. Just constantly riling it up and getting it to react over and over till its too exhausted to put up a proper fight would probably be the end of this and you wouldn't even need a 100 people to accomplish this.

So — and I just want to be absolutely clear here — your plan is that the 100 men… verbally harass the gorilla… to death?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-18#post-139265307

Do you think a gorilla can exert its maximum potential strength (into a moving target I might add) 100 times in a row? You're insisting you've brought the "hard data" and somehow forgot that animals get tired.

Please, at no point did I claim a gorilla would exert "maximum potential strength" 100 times in a row. That's a strawman. I'm explaining that meaningful physical exchange ends catastrophically for any human involved — long before fatigue becomes a factor.

Now your turn, can you address the question I posted, and you quoted?

Harass is not just a verbal action, you can physically harass as well. Just running up on the gorilla and getting it riled up enough to start beating its chest and then repeating over and over will wear it down. Combine this with the fact you have a hundred guys taking turns means that a gorilla would be worn down well before any significant portion of the group of men. Just using the gorillas own actions and reactions against it would give the humans a win as a Gorilla is not going to take on a 100 dogs, let alone a hundred men. We're the kings of outlasting our prey, not beating it to death. If it was a hot and sunny day with no shade it would occur even quicker.

So the plan is: 100 men take turns running up to yell at a gorilla... until it dies of annoyance?

"Wearing it down" isn't a win condition. Surviving a little longer isn't a strategy. Fatigue doesn't make your skull thicker or your spine less breakable.

You still have to hurt the gorilla. But no one has explained, in simple terms, how a human damages a silverback gorilla with hands or feet.

At some point, someone has to make physical contact. And that's when this plan gets dismembered and beaten to death.

100 men fighting a gorilla is most likely not going to play out as wave after wave of men getting flung around like rag dolls until no one is left. The gorilla will most likely flee upon being pitted anywhere against 100 men. It is not accustomed to fighting anything of that size nor taking on any fight where it is outnumbered that greatly.

The men could simply have it flee until it is exhausted and then attack. The chaos alone would have fleeing for its life.

So now the scenario is "100 fearless men chasing a terrified gorilla until it dies of fright." I thought we were gaming out a fight. Seems like I was mistaken?

we have the science (sorry if this was already posted somewhere and I missed it)

Downplays the gorilla's physical attributes, ignores the realities of violence, assumes a lot, and spends half the time mocking its intelligence.

Reads more like wishful thinking than science, frankly.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-19#post-139266138

What exactly do you think a gorilla is made of? They have all the same weaknesses as a human body. You can easily damage a gorilla in the same ways you would just a human.

And I'll just point out animals can easily die from exhaustion or being unable to properly defend/escape from the exhaustion. It's the main way humanity was so successful as hunters.

The idea that "a gorilla's body is just like a human's" is pure fantasy.

Gorillas have muscle mass up to four times greater than humans, with bone density built to withstand stresses that would easily snap human bones. Their bite force exceeds 1,300 PSI, and their tendons and ligaments are thicker, tougher, and far more resistant to tearing. Even their skin is denser, especially over the chest, neck, and limbs — exactly where a human would try (and fail) to attack.

A gorilla isn't just a bigger human. It's heavier, stronger, faster, and biomechanically superior in every way.

Pretending you can "easily damage" one isn't science — it's wishful thinking.

Deep down, you already know who wins. You're just looking for a version where it hurts less.

👏 Beautiful post.

❤️🦍

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-20#post-139269153

At some point, the animal would be so exhausted, it won't even defend itself. It will lie there and die as the men kick it. Might not even need to kick it. It would just die of exhaustion. This is our history. We chased prey down until it was too tired to even get up and resist being poked to death.

Yes, the most likely outcome of 100 men fighting a silverback gorilla is that the gorilla lies down and dies of exhaustion — no need to even touch it!

What am I reading...

This "meaningful physical exchange" only matters under pitch perfect conditions of a single gorilla intending to attack and put its full force against a single human. But that isn't the hypothetical. We're talking about 100 humans versus 1 gorilla in an undefined environment with presumably everyone involved committed to fighting. The question is do you think a gorilla can physically outlast 100 people despite the fact that it can obviously easily body one of them?

I never said the gorilla has to "put its full force" into the attack. I've clearly laid out — backed by facts — how a gorilla can brutally maim a group of humans with minimal effort.

It's the humans that have to be operating at 110% effort and force just to hope to injure the silverback — not the other way around.

So again, yes, obviously a gorilla "committed to fighting" can easily work through 100 humans.

Experts have already done that for you as posted above. They said that gorillas are susceptible to blunt force trauma from humans, because they're animals, not mountains.

Gorillas aren't mountains, and they are susceptible to blunt force trauma. Good — we agree on basic facts. That's common ground.

I've already addressed the flimsy nature of that "expert's" arguments, I've laid out in extreme data-driven detail exactly how a gorilla defeats a mob, and yet you still have not made any effort to envision or explain a realistic scenario where a human injures a 500-pound silverback gorilla with their hands or feet.

At this point, I can only assume that's because you can't imagine one.

I'll take the win here.

For everyone else reading: notice how the "human wins" scenario keeps changing.

First it's 100 men fighting. Then it's 100 men yelling from a distance. Then it's "what if they take turns?" or "what if it's really hot out?" or "what if they chase it, but don't actually fight?"

The rules keep shifting. The humans keep getting new advantages. The gorilla never does.

You're not describing a fight anymore. You're describing a fantasy — one that needs constant edits just to survive even basic scrutiny.

If humans truly had the advantage, you wouldn't need to imagine the gorilla slower, weaker, dumber, or more passive every time the reality gets uncomfortable. You wouldn't need to turn a fight into an obstacle course of "what-ifs" and technicalities.

Ask yourself: why do the rules have to change every time the gorilla starts winning?

And what does it say that even after rewriting the story, you still can't make it work?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-20#post-139270230

Yo, your posts are weirdly condescending, while offering no actual "extreme data-driven" analysis.

You can't discount actual experts and then assert situations that arent realistic

Fair enough — tone doesn't always land the way it's intended in text. I'll own that.

Honestly, I appreciate the passion everyone brought to the discussion. It's been a good debate!

At the end of the day, I think it's clear that the scenario kept needing to change because, under the original conditions — 100 men, 1 gorilla, in a fight — the outcome heavily favors the gorilla. That's not a dig at anyone. It's just what the physics, anatomy, and reality suggest.

I'm happy to let it rest here. No hard feelings. I think we all learned a little more about how wildly different human and animal biomechanics really are.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-21#post-139273398

Genuinely thanks for owning up to that.

I actually like these weird discussions and would rather these animal kingdom fights replace "Death Battle" and their use of fictional characters.

At least in these ones, I'm actually learning of animal capabilities. Tbh, I was team Gorilla at first and then hearing of the drawbacks, and how media tends to blend Chimpanzee and Gorilla characteristics, I changed my position. It's similar to how people conflate the size of Horses and Moose (way bigger), and Red Tailed Hawk and Bald Eagle call.

I think these hypotheticals would actual be a fun way for people to remain very aware of the fauna around the world.

Totally agree — these kinds of hypotheticals are far more interesting than most "who wins?" matchups, because you're not just debating subjective powers or personalities. You're learning about real biology and biomechanics!

And yeah, the gorilla/chimp confusion is everywhere. People see chimps go berserk and assume gorillas are the same — when in reality, gorillas are heavier, slower to agitate, drastically more powerful, and far more dangerous once engaged. It's like comparing a welder's torch to a freight train.

It's frightening to imagine — 100 men fighting a silverback — and to think through the physical realities. But once the facts started stacking up in one direction, the tone in the thread noticeably shifted. It stopped being a thought experiment and started feeling personal for some people, which is interesting in itself.

I get it, though. It's uncomfortable to realize how badly outmatched humans are in this scenario. It's easier to shift the rules, dismissively mischaracterize gorillas as "horror movie villains," or reframe the fight entirely to make the outcome feel less one-sided.

I didn't expect it to hit a nerve — but in hindsight, maybe that was inevitable.

Personally, I just find the biomechanics fascinating: the strength differential, the bone density, the way natural selection shaped something even a hundred of us simply aren't built to deal with in a straight fight.

Humbling, really.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-24#post-139313721

Day three. Over 1,000 posts deep. Unable to cope, Team 100 Men is left clinging to a video game-inspired "stamina bar" theory — or praying the gorilla just… won't engage.

"B-but our ancient ancestors hunted woolly mammoths!"

You are not your ancestors. Your killing instincts have been dulled by centuries of nutritional abundance. Your body softened by modern convenience. Your imagination warped by anthropocentric propaganda. Your spirit rotted by algorithmic addiction.

Here's a fact-based, data-driven simulation of how this would actually go down:

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AFTER-ACTION REPORTScenario: 100 Unarmed Human Males vs. 1 Adult Male Silverback Gorilla
Arena Dimensions: 100 ft x 100 ft (10,000 sq ft, flat terrain). No elevation, cover, or exits.
Duration: 3 minutes, 12 seconds
Human Casualties: 100 (100% fatality or incapacitation rate)
Gorilla Status: Uninjured

00:00 – Engagement initiated. Gorilla identifies massed human presence. Initial posturing observed: chest-beating, low-frequency vocalizations. Humans respond with shouting, encirclement, and loose coordinated movement.

00:02 – Early human strategy centers on exhausting the gorilla through rotational harassment. Fifteen men rotate in and out, stomping, feinting, and attempting to provoke a premature charge. Gorilla remains stationary for 1.6 seconds, then accelerates without warning.

00:04 – Gorilla charges and targets the densest portion of a U-formation. Four men are down within seconds. One suffers a clavicle fracture and trampling injuries. Rear group scatters. No visible fatigue response from the gorilla.

00:09 – A synchronized rush by fifteen men is initiated as a second stamina-draining tactic. Gorilla enters sustained engagement. Movements are explosive and controlled. Internal ruptures, spinal dislocations, and multiple compound fractures recorded. No audible respiratory strain from gorilla.

00:16 – Terrain begins to degrade. Blood, bone fragments, and prone bodies reduce stability. Several men fall before reaching striking distance.

00:22 – One subject lands a punch to the gorilla's shoulder. No response observed. Another kick to the lower back elicits no reaction. Gorilla pivots and strikes both. First suffers cranial rotation trauma. Second is driven into the ground by a downward strike to the sternum; thoracic collapse confirmed.

00:29 – Two men attempt a simultaneous eye-gouge. Gorilla disables both using a previously dislocated limb as a bludgeon. One cranium partially collapses under repeated impact. The other is flung into the crowd, causing secondary injuries.

00:36 – A combatant fashions a makeshift flail from a belt and sneaker. Strike lands on the gorilla's upper arm with no discernible effect. Gorilla grabs the belt, reels the man in, and strikes once. Mandible detaches. Subject ceases movement.

00:43 – Casualties surpass thirty. The arena floor is now slick with blood, viscera, clothing, and loose teeth. Remaining men abandon formation entirely. Gorilla's movements remain precise. Strike intervals remain within 1.4–2.2 seconds.

00:51 – One man leaps onto the gorilla's back in an attempted rear chokehold. Gorilla drops backward at full speed. Vertebrae fracture in three locations. Subject ceases movement. A second man attempting assistance is intercepted mid-run and suffers bilateral leg breaks.

00:59 – Gorilla enters focused targeting phase. Single-arm grabs result in cranial collapse, thoracic compression, and multiple instances of blunt-force amputation at shoulder or knee. Humans attempting to "harass and evade" now slip frequently, unable to navigate the increasingly unstable footing.

01:08 – A man attempts to blind the gorilla with gravel and sand. Gorilla ignores debris, advances, crushes the man's hand, and drives a forearm strike into the occipital region. Skull depresses. Death presumed instantaneous.

01:14 – Three men attempt to form a shield wall using fallen bodies. Gorilla punches through. Lead attacker's radius and ulna break with a single impact. Second man's trachea is crushed. Third attempts to scream; only wet gurgling is audible.

01:22 – A group of five men attempt a coordinated pincer maneuver. One lands a kick to the gorilla's thigh. No effect. Gorilla turns, seizes one man by the neck and groin, and tears him in two. Both halves are used to strike others. Blunt-force trauma spreads outward. Visible emotional collapse ripples through remaining men.

01:39 – Multiple humans trample one another attempting to flee. One man drags himself by his elbows, leaving a bright arterial trail from a groin-level injury. Another is caught under fleeing bodies and has his ribs collapsed from pressure alone.

01:52 – Remaining combatants cluster at the perimeter, creating a bottleneck. Gorilla pursues with no observable fatigue. At least four men are crushed underfoot or driven into others. Brief counter-efforts are made, but all fail before making contact.

02:09 – One man feigns death. Gorilla sniffs and bypasses him. Seconds later, a flung corpse lands on him. Cervical trauma results in immediate death.

02:23 – Final seven regroup. Kicks, punches, and one attempted bite are recorded. Of the strikes that land, none appear to faze the gorilla. Gorilla removes one man's leg at the hip joint and uses it as an improvised club against the others. Two skulls cave inward. One arm is torn from the socket and discarded.

02:57 – Last two men attempt simultaneous lunges. Gorilla grabs one by the ankle and swings him like a flail into the other. Both collapse. No further motion observed.

03:12 – Gorilla lifts final man by the neck and hurls him into the arena wall. Engagement ends.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-25#post-139326414

Unlike the Team 100 Men truthers, I've produced an extensive series of posts explaining — in biomechanically factual terms — why:

- A gorilla isn't a scaled-up human — it's a biomechanical outclassing, built from skin to skeleton to endure and deliver force humans simply aren't evolved to match.
- A human can't meaningfully hurt a gorilla, while every swing from the gorilla can incapacitate multiple men.
- The silverback gorilla's strength, speed, reflexes, and durability are so far beyond human limits that the idea of injuring one in unarmed combat isn't just wrong — it's biologically delusional.
- Every human victory scenario relies on fantasy and denial, while the gorilla's raw speed, power, and anatomical efficiency makes close combat a one-sided dismantling — not a fight.
- As the physical asymmetry becomes harder to ignore, the scenario undergoes continual revision — a shifting framework designed to preserve a predetermined outcome that can't withstand direct scrutiny.

I then applied this rigorous, reality-based analysis to formally model the scenario — a task not even our well-meaning, yet close-minded forum admin was willing to attempt.

The outcome has been documented in full: a methodical case study of unarmed human limitations when confronted with apex primate physiology.

The results speak for themselves: Over the course of a 3-minute engagement, 100 unarmed men failed to inflict meaningful damage on a silverback gorilla, as coordinated tactics collapsed under biomechanical reality, environmental degradation, and the psychological effects of sustained, one-sided violence.

And if you're struggling emotionally with those results, I'd encourage you to revisit one of my more empathetic conclusions:

- It is frightening — and quietly humbling to confront just how far beyond us the silverback truly is, physiologically and biomechanically.



Everything except survive an encounter with a single silverback gorilla.

But as Socrates said: "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."



THANK YOU for consulting the machines and actually running the numbers. That kind of structured thinking — grounded in mechanics, coordination, and cost — is rare in this thread.

Even the AI recognizes the gorilla wins unless the humans adopt a perfectly synchronized, sacrifice-based strategy — which, let's be honest, was never going to happen.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-25#post-139365555

I appreciate the links — though I'm not sure Rolling Stone and USA Today are the best venues for technical modeling or biomechanical analysis.

To be fair, both articles include expert voices offering perspectives that lean toward a human advantage.

But they stop short of drawing any definitive conclusions — and more importantly, they don't attempt a structured breakdown. There's no modeling of force mechanics, coordination failure, or trauma accumulation over time. What they provide is speculative framing for a general audience. That's fine — it's just not the same thing as analysis.

What I've presented is a simulation: a step-by-step scenario based on primate physiology, kinetic limits, and real-world human frailty under duress. Just because it's clearly written doesn't make it unserious. If anything, that clarity seems to be what's making it uncomfortable.

If you'd like to challenge the assumptions, the structure, or the outcome of the simulation itself, I'd genuinely welcome that. But so far, what you've offered is a refusal to engage — not a rebuttal.

And I do get it. It's unsettling to encounter a scenario where the outcome isn't just unfavorable — it's inescapable. That kind of asymmetry doesn't sit well. But ignoring the model won't make it go away.

Discomfort is part of learning. So is letting go of the version where we win.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-25#post-139375023

I shared those because of the experts interviewed, not because I think they are typically the best sources. I'll take them all day over this nonsense though:

01:14 – Three men attempt to form a shield wall using fallen bodies. Gorilla punches through. Lead attacker's radius and ulna break with a single impact. Second man's trachea is crushed. Third attempts to scream; only wet gurgling is audible.

The strength and destructive capacity of a silverback gorilla is well-documented. They can exert over 1,300 pounds of grip force — easily enough to shatter long bones or crush a human windpipe. Their upper body strength is estimated to be 4 to 9 times greater than an elite human's, with lifting power exceeding 1,800 pounds. The scenario you quoted isn't exaggeration — it's the logical result of primate physiology meeting human fragility.

01:22 – A group of five men attempt a coordinated pincer maneuver. One lands a kick to the gorilla's thigh. No effect. Gorilla turns, seizes one man by the neck and groin, and tears him in two. Both halves are used to strike others. Blunt-force trauma spreads outward. Visible emotional collapse ripples through remaining men.

The "man torn in half" moment surprised me too — at first. But that's the value of simulation!

You start with grip force, joint vulnerability, leverage points — and when you map those onto a 500-pound quadruped with a 7-foot arm span and no psychological hesitation, the results can feel theatrical… but they emerge logically. It's about applied force. Once you understand the mechanics, it's not shocking — it's just physics.

If you really think this is some scientifically driven analysis/simulation then I don't know what to tell you as that's just not how science works. You can't use a few anatomical names and write as if it's an action report and claim it's real science. It's fan fic with the minimal trappings of science.

The gorilla would get tired, overheat and slow down. It also would not be able to rip a man in half. Rip off an arm, maybe but probably not. Rip a man in half, no chance.

I understand that it reads like fiction. But that's because most people never see biomechanics modeled all the way through. Real physics — applied to real tissue — often looks theatrical, especially when the outcome is one-sided.

The experts you cited offered broad, inconclusive summaries. I built a sequence. They speculated. I modeled. And yes — when you actually commit to the math and momentum of it all, the results don't always feel reassuring. But they do feel accurate.

Happy to walk you through any other moments you're still having trouble understanding.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-26#post-139377903

Considering how overworked (and increasingly under attack) American academics are right now, it's entirely possible that I've actually put more concentrated, scenario-specific effort into this single question than most credentialed experts have had time or reason to.

Honestly, an unsettling thought — but not an impossible one.

And I get why Dunning-Kruger comes to mind. It's a comforting label when someone outside the orthodoxy presents a confident position — especially one that contradicts a popular belief. But Dunning-Kruger applies when people overestimate their knowledge. In this case, I've been transparent about the process: modeling force application, failure points, and casualty rates using available data.

That's not arrogance. That's legwork.



I understand why you're calling it fiction — the scenario I modeled produces results you didn't expect and don't like. If the outcome feels implausible, I'd invite you to engage with the model itself. Point to a flaw. Challenge a step. Show your math.

Because if the only reason you're rejecting the results is that they're uncomfortable, that's not science either.

Team 100 Men has largely been built on intuition, hopeful groupthink, and a lot of wishful conditioning about human exceptionalism. That doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person — just emotionally invested in an outcome the science doesn't support.

It's not personal. It's just physics.

[HaughtyFrank]

I lasted five years in the games media before I got disillusioned and got a proper job.

I think I’ve told this story before, but a load of my colleagues got called out for tweeting unmarked promotional content in exchange for entry in a prize draw to win a PS3 at the Games Media Awards. Not even for a PS3; for the chance to win one.

And this was at the GMAs, celebrating the best of the best.

There was panic in the office because none of them thought they’d done anything wrong. Someone who was named (not one of my colleagues) threatened to sue the writer for libel.

(If you remember the Rab Florence/Eurogamer/Doritos Pope stuff, it was that.)

I laughed when the ethics in games journalism stuff started. It was shortly after this that they all started posting ethics statements about how they would no longer take free trips to Japan to sit in five-star hotels and review games with the PRs over their shoulder.

Please tell me more about the know-nothing YouTubers with no moral standards.

This is one things that annoyed me about the gamergate debate because it quickly turned into a shield where games journalists just can't do no wrong. If Klepek is so worried about the integrity then he didn't do much of a job to protect it either. You know who actually talked a lot about shady publisher business practices? Total Biscuit. But they declared the guy a gamergate leader post mortem

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/more-games-need-explicitly-canon-trans-woman-preferably-playable-or-in-major-important-roles.1179711/

Their should be more sports games where you can play as a trans person, whether it be a fantasy sport or a real life sport, especially in age where more and more sports organizations are showing how truly cowardly, transphobic and pathetic they are. Suck it to them, show trans people have their place in sport.

[Eric Cartman]

the thing about most games journalists - as an observer not an insider with no particular first hand knowledge - is that most of them have arts degress and feel like they are slumming it writing buyers guides for a low brow hobby and the morons that participate in it, unlike the much more sophisitcated way that they enjoy participating in it, so become increasingly divorced from what they actually do and who they are actually doing it for, leading to that self same audience increasingly becoming less interested in their takes.

Its exemplified by this:

Pick any random fucking game and search for it on youtube, and you will find dozens and dozens of people from all sorts of backgrounds and walks of life with all sorts of takes on that game from dozens of different perspectives.

But they're not all the right sort of people doing it at the right sort of media outlet.

Their issue isn't that there are a small group of influential tastemakers - its that that group increasingly no longer includes them, and they can't gatekeep the conversations and promote the things they think are worthy like they used to.

[Eric Cartman]

5 Reasons Why Concorde Was Good Actually

[Eric Cartman]

Nintendo should use Birdetta (why is it that people forget that "Birdo" is her deadname and Birdetta is the name she perfers to be called in the SMB2 Manual?) more often

Because the character is called Birdo in literally every appearance they make where named, and the vast majority of people in [CURRENT_YEAR] are not bound by an instruction book written by someone unrelated to games development 40 years ago?

[Taco Bell Tower]

Games these days don't even come with instruction booklets like they used to 

[Eric Cartman]

Games these days don't even come with instruction booklets like they used to 

Shout out to Tunic for fucking nailing this