Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Potato]

if they did we'd constantly see trans women at the tops of these sports which we don't.

Why lie about this? 

Maybe you are not the top of the top, but the controversies have appeared for a reason.

The sports org suck, but they are doing it because they know where the wind is blowing, specially after last year Olympics shitshow (embarrassing how cagey they were about that boxer). This stuff was growing way before UK Supreme Court ruling and Trump second victory.

Always with the extremist view on Resetera. 

Why do they have to "be at the top"?

When a man who can't compete even at the bottom in the men's division becomes a woman and is suddenly a mid-level competitive athlete in the women's division, that's a massive increase in performance and evidence of an unfair advantage for trans women. 

If there was no competitive advantage for trans athletes, then a low level male athlete would be a low level trans woman athlete. 

[Potato]

Do we? I mean that genuinely. I think Trump is a great reflection of who the majority of Americans are deep down: hateful, spiteful, selfish people who only think about themselves and would turn on their neighbor to gain an extra buck. I'm not saying that's the average person here on Era

Every single part of that was correct...right up until he missed the, "Are we the baddies?" moment.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-3#post-139259091

I plan to live out of a backpack for the next 5+ months, walking over 2000 miles from Georgia to Maine.

He started his walk
RIP

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-4#post-139284114

last update Tuesday night

RIP

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-16#post-139239924

User Banned (2 weeks): Downplaying sexualization and antagonizing another user

If you dont think a bathing suit as a quest reward that conveniently hugs every curve of a 16 year olds body isn't there for fan service then idk what to tell you.
Also, no? I dont have any interest in talking about Genshin Impact, why should we? Game X having problematic elements doesnt justify Game Y having them too.

Have you seen a bathing suit before?

I think this might be you projecting.

Deserved ban. Dude was baiting everyone, but didn’t even have any idea of what he was talking about. He also forgot that only “Women lust thread” complains about female Genshin designs (they are super tame compared to other gachas).

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-16#post-139239924

User Banned (2 weeks): Downplaying sexualization and antagonizing another user

If you dont think a bathing suit as a quest reward that conveniently hugs every curve of a 16 year olds body isn't there for fan service then idk what to tell you.
Also, no? I dont have any interest in talking about Genshin Impact, why should we? Game X having problematic elements doesnt justify Game Y having them too.

Have you seen a bathing suit before?

I think this might be you projecting.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-16#post-139236465
Linus815

Considering how people ITT kept going on about how this game feels grown up and aimed at mature adults, seeing fan service outfit for its under-18 character is.... well, somewhat amusing, in a way..

He types this out while his avatar is a 15 year old girl who sports a few fan service outfits 

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-16#post-139239924

User Banned (2 weeks): Downplaying sexualization and antagonizing another user

If you dont think a bathing suit as a quest reward that conveniently hugs every curve of a 16 year olds body isn't there for fan service then idk what to tell you.
Also, no? I dont have any interest in talking about Genshin Impact, why should we? Game X having problematic elements doesnt justify Game Y having them too.

Have you seen a bathing suit before?

I think this might be you projecting.

I mean how else do bathing suits work? 

Like be mad that they're in the game if you want but they always focus on weird details

[Alpacx]

The ladies football team I coach has a game coming up at some point with a team with a trans player. Some of them don't want to play because the trannie has injured players before. 

Should have loaded up on MTFs when you had the chance.

[Lonewulfeus]

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The ladies football team I coach has a game coming up at some point with a team with a trans player. Some of them don't want to play because the trannie has injured players before. 

Should have loaded up on MTFs when you had the chance.

Yea, see how that worked out for Resetera

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-12#post-139219215

There's literally no strike a human male can deliver against a gorilla to incapacitate it. Conversely, every swing of the gorillas arm would take out any men caught in the blow. So assume 5-10 men dropped for every attack. Could the gorilla pull off 10 swipes before it's exhausted? Absolutely. Can any single man hope to do anything more than poke out the gorillas eyes? Do you think the gorilla is going to stop when that happens?

Gorilla wins all day everyday, and it's not even close.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-15#post-139226589

I genuinely cannot fathom how anyone believes a human could land any meaningful strike on a 500-pound silverback gorilla.

Outside of a direct hit to the eyes or groin — and even that would require improbable precision under extreme duress — there is nothing you could do with your hands or feet that would inflict any real pain. And the idea that you could even land that shot, against an animal faster, stronger, and infinitely more aggressive than you, is pure fantasy.

Silverback gorillas have been measured lifting over 1,800 pounds and pulling over 4,000 pounds. Its bite force exceeds 1,300 PSI — stronger than that of a lion. Its muscles are denser, its reflexes faster, and its instincts brutal. It doesn't need to kill you to end you; snapping a limb, tearing out a tendon, or breaking your spine with a casual swipe would be more than enough. And it could do it without even shifting out of second gear.

It's not fighting 100 men at once — it's bulldozing through the 5–10 poor souls closest to it, disabling them instantly, and creating a living wall of broken bodies between itself and the rest. It would move with terrifying speed, screaming with bloodlust, flinging torn limbs, shattered jaws, and gore into a panicked, retreating crowd.

Maybe — maybe — the gorilla would eventually tire from the slaughter, or lose interest once the immediate threats were nothing more than twitching wreckage.

But "landing a clean shot"? "Hurting it"? No. You don't even survive the first five seconds of the fight.

Rinse & repeat.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-17#post-139261188

Pages later, and Team 100 Men still has no credible plan.

Oh, a gorilla's punch is only dozens of times stronger than a human's? So the solution is… to kick it? Brilliant — offer your soft, breakable leg to a 500-pound primate whose grip can exert over 1,300 pounds of force — enough to shatter your ankle like a dropped wine glass, snap your femur (the hardest bone in your body) like a dry twig, or rip the entire limb off and beat you with it before you hit the ground.

Oh, but what if the men simply dog-piled the gorilla and smothered it? As if it would just lie down and let that happen. Go outside with your friends and try to "smother" a mid-sized sedan driving around a parking lot — and remember: a silverback moves faster than Usain Bolt at full sprint, and reacts several times faster than you can blink.

Every scenario where the men win is rooted in childish fantasy: a flawlessly disciplined army of fearless, pain-immune super-soldiers who magically coordinate… to land glancing kicks? To "overheat" the gorilla's stamina bar? To form a Cirque du Soleil–style human smother-blanket? Against an animal that could tear out your trachea with a single swipe, collapse your ribcage with a backhand, or rip the jaw clean off the screaming face next to you — while making eye contact.

LMAO.

If the men are magically fearless, then so is the gorilla. If the men are elite fighters, then so is the gorilla. Stop tipping the scale. Stop lying to yourself. Just explain, in simple terms, how a human is supposed to hurt a silverback gorilla with their hands or feet.

You can't.

Match for match. Pound for pound. Strike for strike. Bite for bite — the gorilla wins every time.

A gorilla doesn't need strategy. It doesn't need technique. It doesn't need to think. It just needs to close the distance — and once it does, you're not fighting anymore. You're being dismantled. Blunt trauma caves in the thoracic cavity, splintering ribs into lungs. Orbital bones shatter; vision goes red, then black. Fingers are torn off before pain can register. Vertebrae snap with a sound you barely recognize as coming from your own body. There's screaming, but it's distant — like it's happening in another room. Your limbs stop responding. Blood loss turns the world to static. The brain keeps trying to make sense of it all — but by then, you're already gone.

If there's one takeaway from this thread, it's that humanity's greatest weakness isn't frailty — it's hubris.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-18#post-139262913

Gorilla's are not bloodthirsty fighting machines in the wild. Humans (guides/researchers) have repeatedly approached them without having their limbs ripped off. They're powerful and could kill a human easily if threatened but it is not the same as approaching a grizzly.

100 men would be very intimidating for a single silverback and it would most likely flee than fight. 100 men keeping their distance and yelling and jumping like lunatics would have it running away and losing stamina.

Oh, I thought we were discussing "100 men fighting 1 silverback gorilla." Instead, it's "100 men happen upon a gorilla in the wild and yell at it from a respectful distance"…?
Come on.

You were talking about how a single gorilla's swing would take out 5 to 10 men at once just a few pages ago, so with all due respect you maybe shouldn't be giving novel-long lectures on fantasies.

I've backed up everything I said with hard data — anatomy, physiology, biomechanics. Now please, walk me through it: how does a human, using only hands or feet, injure a silverback gorilla in a fight?

Be specific. No vague "overwhelming it with numbers." No abstract tactics. Just tell me realistically how it's done.

Gorillas are much stronger than a person but they don't have the stamina. A determined group of humans could constantly harass it till its exhausted. And I'm not talking going punch for punch or anything like that. Just constantly riling it up and getting it to react over and over till its too exhausted to put up a proper fight would probably be the end of this and you wouldn't even need a 100 people to accomplish this.

So — and I just want to be absolutely clear here — your plan is that the 100 men… verbally harass the gorilla… to death?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-18#post-139265307

Do you think a gorilla can exert its maximum potential strength (into a moving target I might add) 100 times in a row? You're insisting you've brought the "hard data" and somehow forgot that animals get tired.

Please, at no point did I claim a gorilla would exert "maximum potential strength" 100 times in a row. That's a strawman. I'm explaining that meaningful physical exchange ends catastrophically for any human involved — long before fatigue becomes a factor.

Now your turn, can you address the question I posted, and you quoted?

Harass is not just a verbal action, you can physically harass as well. Just running up on the gorilla and getting it riled up enough to start beating its chest and then repeating over and over will wear it down. Combine this with the fact you have a hundred guys taking turns means that a gorilla would be worn down well before any significant portion of the group of men. Just using the gorillas own actions and reactions against it would give the humans a win as a Gorilla is not going to take on a 100 dogs, let alone a hundred men. We're the kings of outlasting our prey, not beating it to death. If it was a hot and sunny day with no shade it would occur even quicker.

So the plan is: 100 men take turns running up to yell at a gorilla... until it dies of annoyance?

"Wearing it down" isn't a win condition. Surviving a little longer isn't a strategy. Fatigue doesn't make your skull thicker or your spine less breakable.

You still have to hurt the gorilla. But no one has explained, in simple terms, how a human damages a silverback gorilla with hands or feet.

At some point, someone has to make physical contact. And that's when this plan gets dismembered and beaten to death.

100 men fighting a gorilla is most likely not going to play out as wave after wave of men getting flung around like rag dolls until no one is left. The gorilla will most likely flee upon being pitted anywhere against 100 men. It is not accustomed to fighting anything of that size nor taking on any fight where it is outnumbered that greatly.

The men could simply have it flee until it is exhausted and then attack. The chaos alone would have fleeing for its life.

So now the scenario is "100 fearless men chasing a terrified gorilla until it dies of fright." I thought we were gaming out a fight. Seems like I was mistaken?

we have the science (sorry if this was already posted somewhere and I missed it)

Downplays the gorilla's physical attributes, ignores the realities of violence, assumes a lot, and spends half the time mocking its intelligence.

Reads more like wishful thinking than science, frankly.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-19#post-139266138

What exactly do you think a gorilla is made of? They have all the same weaknesses as a human body. You can easily damage a gorilla in the same ways you would just a human.

And I'll just point out animals can easily die from exhaustion or being unable to properly defend/escape from the exhaustion. It's the main way humanity was so successful as hunters.

The idea that "a gorilla's body is just like a human's" is pure fantasy.

Gorillas have muscle mass up to four times greater than humans, with bone density built to withstand stresses that would easily snap human bones. Their bite force exceeds 1,300 PSI, and their tendons and ligaments are thicker, tougher, and far more resistant to tearing. Even their skin is denser, especially over the chest, neck, and limbs — exactly where a human would try (and fail) to attack.

A gorilla isn't just a bigger human. It's heavier, stronger, faster, and biomechanically superior in every way.

Pretending you can "easily damage" one isn't science — it's wishful thinking.

Deep down, you already know who wins. You're just looking for a version where it hurts less.

👏 Beautiful post.

❤️🦍

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-20#post-139269153

At some point, the animal would be so exhausted, it won't even defend itself. It will lie there and die as the men kick it. Might not even need to kick it. It would just die of exhaustion. This is our history. We chased prey down until it was too tired to even get up and resist being poked to death.

Yes, the most likely outcome of 100 men fighting a silverback gorilla is that the gorilla lies down and dies of exhaustion — no need to even touch it!

What am I reading...

This "meaningful physical exchange" only matters under pitch perfect conditions of a single gorilla intending to attack and put its full force against a single human. But that isn't the hypothetical. We're talking about 100 humans versus 1 gorilla in an undefined environment with presumably everyone involved committed to fighting. The question is do you think a gorilla can physically outlast 100 people despite the fact that it can obviously easily body one of them?

I never said the gorilla has to "put its full force" into the attack. I've clearly laid out — backed by facts — how a gorilla can brutally maim a group of humans with minimal effort.

It's the humans that have to be operating at 110% effort and force just to hope to injure the silverback — not the other way around.

So again, yes, obviously a gorilla "committed to fighting" can easily work through 100 humans.

Experts have already done that for you as posted above. They said that gorillas are susceptible to blunt force trauma from humans, because they're animals, not mountains.

Gorillas aren't mountains, and they are susceptible to blunt force trauma. Good — we agree on basic facts. That's common ground.

I've already addressed the flimsy nature of that "expert's" arguments, I've laid out in extreme data-driven detail exactly how a gorilla defeats a mob, and yet you still have not made any effort to envision or explain a realistic scenario where a human injures a 500-pound silverback gorilla with their hands or feet.

At this point, I can only assume that's because you can't imagine one.

I'll take the win here.

For everyone else reading: notice how the "human wins" scenario keeps changing.

First it's 100 men fighting. Then it's 100 men yelling from a distance. Then it's "what if they take turns?" or "what if it's really hot out?" or "what if they chase it, but don't actually fight?"

The rules keep shifting. The humans keep getting new advantages. The gorilla never does.

You're not describing a fight anymore. You're describing a fantasy — one that needs constant edits just to survive even basic scrutiny.

If humans truly had the advantage, you wouldn't need to imagine the gorilla slower, weaker, dumber, or more passive every time the reality gets uncomfortable. You wouldn't need to turn a fight into an obstacle course of "what-ifs" and technicalities.

Ask yourself: why do the rules have to change every time the gorilla starts winning?

And what does it say that even after rewriting the story, you still can't make it work?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-20#post-139270230

Yo, your posts are weirdly condescending, while offering no actual "extreme data-driven" analysis.

You can't discount actual experts and then assert situations that arent realistic

Fair enough — tone doesn't always land the way it's intended in text. I'll own that.

Honestly, I appreciate the passion everyone brought to the discussion. It's been a good debate!

At the end of the day, I think it's clear that the scenario kept needing to change because, under the original conditions — 100 men, 1 gorilla, in a fight — the outcome heavily favors the gorilla. That's not a dig at anyone. It's just what the physics, anatomy, and reality suggest.

I'm happy to let it rest here. No hard feelings. I think we all learned a little more about how wildly different human and animal biomechanics really are.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-21#post-139273398

Genuinely thanks for owning up to that.

I actually like these weird discussions and would rather these animal kingdom fights replace "Death Battle" and their use of fictional characters.

At least in these ones, I'm actually learning of animal capabilities. Tbh, I was team Gorilla at first and then hearing of the drawbacks, and how media tends to blend Chimpanzee and Gorilla characteristics, I changed my position. It's similar to how people conflate the size of Horses and Moose (way bigger), and Red Tailed Hawk and Bald Eagle call.

I think these hypotheticals would actual be a fun way for people to remain very aware of the fauna around the world.

Totally agree — these kinds of hypotheticals are far more interesting than most "who wins?" matchups, because you're not just debating subjective powers or personalities. You're learning about real biology and biomechanics!

And yeah, the gorilla/chimp confusion is everywhere. People see chimps go berserk and assume gorillas are the same — when in reality, gorillas are heavier, slower to agitate, drastically more powerful, and far more dangerous once engaged. It's like comparing a welder's torch to a freight train.

It's frightening to imagine — 100 men fighting a silverback — and to think through the physical realities. But once the facts started stacking up in one direction, the tone in the thread noticeably shifted. It stopped being a thought experiment and started feeling personal for some people, which is interesting in itself.

I get it, though. It's uncomfortable to realize how badly outmatched humans are in this scenario. It's easier to shift the rules, dismissively mischaracterize gorillas as "horror movie villains," or reframe the fight entirely to make the outcome feel less one-sided.

I didn't expect it to hit a nerve — but in hindsight, maybe that was inevitable.

Personally, I just find the biomechanics fascinating: the strength differential, the bone density, the way natural selection shaped something even a hundred of us simply aren't built to deal with in a straight fight.

Humbling, really.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-24#post-139313721

Day three. Over 1,000 posts deep. Unable to cope, Team 100 Men is left clinging to a video game-inspired "stamina bar" theory — or praying the gorilla just… won't engage.

"B-but our ancient ancestors hunted woolly mammoths!"

You are not your ancestors. Your killing instincts have been dulled by centuries of nutritional abundance. Your body softened by modern convenience. Your imagination warped by anthropocentric propaganda. Your spirit rotted by algorithmic addiction.

Here's a fact-based, data-driven simulation of how this would actually go down:

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AFTER-ACTION REPORTScenario: 100 Unarmed Human Males vs. 1 Adult Male Silverback Gorilla
Arena Dimensions: 100 ft x 100 ft (10,000 sq ft, flat terrain). No elevation, cover, or exits.
Duration: 3 minutes, 12 seconds
Human Casualties: 100 (100% fatality or incapacitation rate)
Gorilla Status: Uninjured

00:00 – Engagement initiated. Gorilla identifies massed human presence. Initial posturing observed: chest-beating, low-frequency vocalizations. Humans respond with shouting, encirclement, and loose coordinated movement.

00:02 – Early human strategy centers on exhausting the gorilla through rotational harassment. Fifteen men rotate in and out, stomping, feinting, and attempting to provoke a premature charge. Gorilla remains stationary for 1.6 seconds, then accelerates without warning.

00:04 – Gorilla charges and targets the densest portion of a U-formation. Four men are down within seconds. One suffers a clavicle fracture and trampling injuries. Rear group scatters. No visible fatigue response from the gorilla.

00:09 – A synchronized rush by fifteen men is initiated as a second stamina-draining tactic. Gorilla enters sustained engagement. Movements are explosive and controlled. Internal ruptures, spinal dislocations, and multiple compound fractures recorded. No audible respiratory strain from gorilla.

00:16 – Terrain begins to degrade. Blood, bone fragments, and prone bodies reduce stability. Several men fall before reaching striking distance.

00:22 – One subject lands a punch to the gorilla's shoulder. No response observed. Another kick to the lower back elicits no reaction. Gorilla pivots and strikes both. First suffers cranial rotation trauma. Second is driven into the ground by a downward strike to the sternum; thoracic collapse confirmed.

00:29 – Two men attempt a simultaneous eye-gouge. Gorilla disables both using a previously dislocated limb as a bludgeon. One cranium partially collapses under repeated impact. The other is flung into the crowd, causing secondary injuries.

00:36 – A combatant fashions a makeshift flail from a belt and sneaker. Strike lands on the gorilla's upper arm with no discernible effect. Gorilla grabs the belt, reels the man in, and strikes once. Mandible detaches. Subject ceases movement.

00:43 – Casualties surpass thirty. The arena floor is now slick with blood, viscera, clothing, and loose teeth. Remaining men abandon formation entirely. Gorilla's movements remain precise. Strike intervals remain within 1.4–2.2 seconds.

00:51 – One man leaps onto the gorilla's back in an attempted rear chokehold. Gorilla drops backward at full speed. Vertebrae fracture in three locations. Subject ceases movement. A second man attempting assistance is intercepted mid-run and suffers bilateral leg breaks.

00:59 – Gorilla enters focused targeting phase. Single-arm grabs result in cranial collapse, thoracic compression, and multiple instances of blunt-force amputation at shoulder or knee. Humans attempting to "harass and evade" now slip frequently, unable to navigate the increasingly unstable footing.

01:08 – A man attempts to blind the gorilla with gravel and sand. Gorilla ignores debris, advances, crushes the man's hand, and drives a forearm strike into the occipital region. Skull depresses. Death presumed instantaneous.

01:14 – Three men attempt to form a shield wall using fallen bodies. Gorilla punches through. Lead attacker's radius and ulna break with a single impact. Second man's trachea is crushed. Third attempts to scream; only wet gurgling is audible.

01:22 – A group of five men attempt a coordinated pincer maneuver. One lands a kick to the gorilla's thigh. No effect. Gorilla turns, seizes one man by the neck and groin, and tears him in two. Both halves are used to strike others. Blunt-force trauma spreads outward. Visible emotional collapse ripples through remaining men.

01:39 – Multiple humans trample one another attempting to flee. One man drags himself by his elbows, leaving a bright arterial trail from a groin-level injury. Another is caught under fleeing bodies and has his ribs collapsed from pressure alone.

01:52 – Remaining combatants cluster at the perimeter, creating a bottleneck. Gorilla pursues with no observable fatigue. At least four men are crushed underfoot or driven into others. Brief counter-efforts are made, but all fail before making contact.

02:09 – One man feigns death. Gorilla sniffs and bypasses him. Seconds later, a flung corpse lands on him. Cervical trauma results in immediate death.

02:23 – Final seven regroup. Kicks, punches, and one attempted bite are recorded. Of the strikes that land, none appear to faze the gorilla. Gorilla removes one man's leg at the hip joint and uses it as an improvised club against the others. Two skulls cave inward. One arm is torn from the socket and discarded.

02:57 – Last two men attempt simultaneous lunges. Gorilla grabs one by the ankle and swings him like a flail into the other. Both collapse. No further motion observed.

03:12 – Gorilla lifts final man by the neck and hurls him into the arena wall. Engagement ends.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-25#post-139326414

Unlike the Team 100 Men truthers, I've produced an extensive series of posts explaining — in biomechanically factual terms — why:

- A gorilla isn't a scaled-up human — it's a biomechanical outclassing, built from skin to skeleton to endure and deliver force humans simply aren't evolved to match.
- A human can't meaningfully hurt a gorilla, while every swing from the gorilla can incapacitate multiple men.
- The silverback gorilla's strength, speed, reflexes, and durability are so far beyond human limits that the idea of injuring one in unarmed combat isn't just wrong — it's biologically delusional.
- Every human victory scenario relies on fantasy and denial, while the gorilla's raw speed, power, and anatomical efficiency makes close combat a one-sided dismantling — not a fight.
- As the physical asymmetry becomes harder to ignore, the scenario undergoes continual revision — a shifting framework designed to preserve a predetermined outcome that can't withstand direct scrutiny.

I then applied this rigorous, reality-based analysis to formally model the scenario — a task not even our well-meaning, yet close-minded forum admin was willing to attempt.

The outcome has been documented in full: a methodical case study of unarmed human limitations when confronted with apex primate physiology.

The results speak for themselves: Over the course of a 3-minute engagement, 100 unarmed men failed to inflict meaningful damage on a silverback gorilla, as coordinated tactics collapsed under biomechanical reality, environmental degradation, and the psychological effects of sustained, one-sided violence.

And if you're struggling emotionally with those results, I'd encourage you to revisit one of my more empathetic conclusions:

- It is frightening — and quietly humbling to confront just how far beyond us the silverback truly is, physiologically and biomechanically.



Everything except survive an encounter with a single silverback gorilla.

But as Socrates said: "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."



THANK YOU for consulting the machines and actually running the numbers. That kind of structured thinking — grounded in mechanics, coordination, and cost — is rare in this thread.

Even the AI recognizes the gorilla wins unless the humans adopt a perfectly synchronized, sacrifice-based strategy — which, let's be honest, was never going to happen.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-25#post-139365555

I appreciate the links — though I'm not sure Rolling Stone and USA Today are the best venues for technical modeling or biomechanical analysis.

To be fair, both articles include expert voices offering perspectives that lean toward a human advantage.

But they stop short of drawing any definitive conclusions — and more importantly, they don't attempt a structured breakdown. There's no modeling of force mechanics, coordination failure, or trauma accumulation over time. What they provide is speculative framing for a general audience. That's fine — it's just not the same thing as analysis.

What I've presented is a simulation: a step-by-step scenario based on primate physiology, kinetic limits, and real-world human frailty under duress. Just because it's clearly written doesn't make it unserious. If anything, that clarity seems to be what's making it uncomfortable.

If you'd like to challenge the assumptions, the structure, or the outcome of the simulation itself, I'd genuinely welcome that. But so far, what you've offered is a refusal to engage — not a rebuttal.

And I do get it. It's unsettling to encounter a scenario where the outcome isn't just unfavorable — it's inescapable. That kind of asymmetry doesn't sit well. But ignoring the model won't make it go away.

Discomfort is part of learning. So is letting go of the version where we win.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-25#post-139375023

I shared those because of the experts interviewed, not because I think they are typically the best sources. I'll take them all day over this nonsense though:

01:14 – Three men attempt to form a shield wall using fallen bodies. Gorilla punches through. Lead attacker's radius and ulna break with a single impact. Second man's trachea is crushed. Third attempts to scream; only wet gurgling is audible.

The strength and destructive capacity of a silverback gorilla is well-documented. They can exert over 1,300 pounds of grip force — easily enough to shatter long bones or crush a human windpipe. Their upper body strength is estimated to be 4 to 9 times greater than an elite human's, with lifting power exceeding 1,800 pounds. The scenario you quoted isn't exaggeration — it's the logical result of primate physiology meeting human fragility.

01:22 – A group of five men attempt a coordinated pincer maneuver. One lands a kick to the gorilla's thigh. No effect. Gorilla turns, seizes one man by the neck and groin, and tears him in two. Both halves are used to strike others. Blunt-force trauma spreads outward. Visible emotional collapse ripples through remaining men.

The "man torn in half" moment surprised me too — at first. But that's the value of simulation!

You start with grip force, joint vulnerability, leverage points — and when you map those onto a 500-pound quadruped with a 7-foot arm span and no psychological hesitation, the results can feel theatrical… but they emerge logically. It's about applied force. Once you understand the mechanics, it's not shocking — it's just physics.

If you really think this is some scientifically driven analysis/simulation then I don't know what to tell you as that's just not how science works. You can't use a few anatomical names and write as if it's an action report and claim it's real science. It's fan fic with the minimal trappings of science.

The gorilla would get tired, overheat and slow down. It also would not be able to rip a man in half. Rip off an arm, maybe but probably not. Rip a man in half, no chance.

I understand that it reads like fiction. But that's because most people never see biomechanics modeled all the way through. Real physics — applied to real tissue — often looks theatrical, especially when the outcome is one-sided.

The experts you cited offered broad, inconclusive summaries. I built a sequence. They speculated. I modeled. And yes — when you actually commit to the math and momentum of it all, the results don't always feel reassuring. But they do feel accurate.

Happy to walk you through any other moments you're still having trouble understanding.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-26#post-139377903

Considering how overworked (and increasingly under attack) American academics are right now, it's entirely possible that I've actually put more concentrated, scenario-specific effort into this single question than most credentialed experts have had time or reason to.

Honestly, an unsettling thought — but not an impossible one.

And I get why Dunning-Kruger comes to mind. It's a comforting label when someone outside the orthodoxy presents a confident position — especially one that contradicts a popular belief. But Dunning-Kruger applies when people overestimate their knowledge. In this case, I've been transparent about the process: modeling force application, failure points, and casualty rates using available data.

That's not arrogance. That's legwork.



I understand why you're calling it fiction — the scenario I modeled produces results you didn't expect and don't like. If the outcome feels implausible, I'd invite you to engage with the model itself. Point to a flaw. Challenge a step. Show your math.

Because if the only reason you're rejecting the results is that they're uncomfortable, that's not science either.

Team 100 Men has largely been built on intuition, hopeful groupthink, and a lot of wishful conditioning about human exceptionalism. That doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person — just emotionally invested in an outcome the science doesn't support.

It's not personal. It's just physics.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

If you're putting that much effort into trolling, who's the one really getting trolled?

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Me.

[Orange Juice Box]

did not read but saw Nepenthe joined

Did she ban anybody for non-good think?

Couldn’t tell you the guys name but there was a gaf user who questioned his sexuality. Went to his coworker’s house, blew him, asked for a napkin, and thanked him for the hospitality. Think he concluded that he’s straight.
Also some guy wanted to eat a Zelda 3DS cart.

We're much more classy on thebire. We only come around to jerk each other off.

For medical necessity. No homo.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

The idea that "a trans woman's body is just like a cis woman's" is pure fantasy.

Trans women have muscle mass up to four times greater than women, with bone density built to withstand stresses that would easily snap cis female bones. Their bite force exceeds 1,300 PSI, and their tendons and ligaments are thicker, tougher, and far more resistant to tearing. Even their skin is denser, especially over the chest, neck, and limbs — exactly where a cis woman would try (and fail) to attack.

A trans woman isn't a biological woman. It's heavier, stronger, faster, and biomechanically superior in every way.

Pretending you can "easily damage" one isn't science — it's wishful thinking.

Deep down, you already know who wins. You're just looking for a version where it hurts less.

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-16#post-139239924

User Banned (2 weeks): Downplaying sexualization and antagonizing another user

If you dont think a bathing suit as a quest reward that conveniently hugs every curve of a 16 year olds body isn't there for fan service then idk what to tell you.
Also, no? I dont have any interest in talking about Genshin Impact, why should we? Game X having problematic elements doesnt justify Game Y having them too.

Have you seen a bathing suit before?

I think this might be you projecting.

it hugs every curve...  of an innocent 16 year old femme...   of course that's *pulls collar* fanservice...  I certainly feel *licks lips* rewarded, seeing it here in this thread, in such high definition detail...  



*pats sweat from brow* my god, it's as pornographic as a family trip to the beach!

[benji]

And of course no one in the press ever points out the misogyny of these statements and bans, the implication that cis women are inherently weaker or less capable (in a non-contact sport no less) and no study has shown trans women to have biological advantages, if they did we'd constantly see trans women at the tops of these sports which we don't.

Like when we see shit like snooker or chess pull this shit, it's so fucking obvious this isn't about "protecting" women, hell we've seen cis women being harassed and bullied because of this shit from the likes of Rowling, they ain't protecting shit, it's just open misogyny and transphobia from these organizations; and people just keep fucking falling for it!

Trans women are women, so saying anything that they take as negative such as that they're male is misogyny.

[Snoopy]

Do we? I mean that genuinely. I think Trump is a great reflection of who the majority of Americans are deep down: hateful, spiteful, selfish people who only think about themselves and would turn on their neighbor to gain an extra buck. I'm not saying that's the average person here on Era

Every single part of that was correct...right up until he missed the, "Are we the baddies?" moment.

Unlike the majority of Americans, the majority of ree aren't deep down hateful, spiteful or selfish people. They're openly hateful, spiteful and selfish people.

[books]

The idea that "a trans woman's body is just like a cis woman's" is pure fantasy.

Trans women have muscle mass up to four times greater than women, with bone density built to withstand stresses that would easily snap cis female bones. Their bite force exceeds 1,300 PSI, and their tendons and ligaments are thicker, tougher, and far more resistant to tearing. Even their skin is denser, especially over the chest, neck, and limbs — exactly where a cis woman would try (and fail) to attack.

A trans woman isn't a biological woman. It's heavier, stronger, faster, and biomechanically superior in every way.

Pretending you can "easily damage" one isn't science — it's wishful thinking.

Deep down, you already know who wins. You're just looking for a version where it hurts less.

Don't forget the weiner part.

[Snoopy]

Oh fuck.


"International Harry Potter Day was officially declared by David Cameron, the Prime Minister of Britain at the time, in 2012. It is designated to be on the 2nd of May, the day Harry Potter defeated Lord Voldemort during the Battle of Hogwarts, and the day that the Battle of Hogwarts and the Second Wizarding War ended."

[Propagandhim]

Just stop entertaining their delusion.  Stop acknowledging that they're normal, sane people by responding to them with reason.  They can't do it.  "Men have no advantages over women in sports."  Shake your head.  Laugh.  Walk away.  Whatever.  Just do anything but have an actual conversation with these schozophrenics.  It's a completely inane, pointless waste of time.

Everytime you acknowledge what they're saying and try to debate the point, they actually start to think "maybe I'm not insane.  I'm being treated like a normal person."  It's just giving them more than they deserve.  Laugh and walk away.

#nodebate

Debating male sports advantages with someone who rejects biology is about as productive and intellectually sound as William Lane Craig using mathematical probability to calculate the odds of the Resurrection.



You're giving them too much by even listening to them.

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

Will the Bire be celebrating International Harry Potter Day? 

Benji better put up a banner. 

[nachobro]

Don't forget the weiner part.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-yall-want-to-talk-about-the-100-men-vs-1-silverback-gorilla-hypothetical.1175430/page-12#post-139219215

[DavidCroquet]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-26#post-139382097

a skintight swimsuit

As a woman, those are just called "swimsuits", and they're pretty much the same design they'll always be once you hit puberty.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-26#post-139382097

a skintight swimsuit

As a woman, those are just called "swimsuits", and they're pretty much the same design they'll always be once you hit puberty.

Found a RE approved swimsuit

[Potato]

Just stop entertaining their delusion.  Stop acknowledging that they're normal, sane people by responding to them with reason.  They can't do it.  "Men have no advantages over women in sports."  Shake your head.  Laugh.  Walk away.  Whatever.  Just do anything but have an actual conversation with these schozophrenics.  It's a completely inane, pointless waste of time.

Everytime you acknowledge what they're saying and try to debate the point, they actually start to think "maybe I'm not insane.  I'm being treated like a normal person."  It's just giving them more than they deserve.  Laugh and walk away.

#nodebate

Debating male sports advantages with someone who rejects biology is about as productive and intellectually sound as William Lane Craig using mathematical probability to calculate the odds of the Resurrection.



You're giving them too much by even listening to them.

You were obviously taking a chud day when we rewrote the biology textbooks (but only for humans don't @ me trans chimpanzee friends).

I just can't with you people today...

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/department-of-health-and-human-services-report-on-trans-youth-relies-on-junk-science-and-endorses-conversion-therapy.1179324/

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-expedition-33-just-show-us-that-people-still-are-opposed-to-jrpgs-when-they-have-anime-aesthetic.1175487/page-26#post-139382097

As a woman, those are just called "swimsuits", and they're pretty much the same design they'll always be once you hit puberty.

Found a RE approved swimsuit

You don't want to see what's under that fucking swimsuit she's doing everybody a favor

[Jansen]

[books]

Dying like an overheating PC fan.

[Jansen]

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-3#post-139259091

I plan to live out of a backpack for the next 5+ months, walking over 2000 miles from Georgia to Maine.

He started his walk
RIP

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i%E2%80%99m-thru-hiking-the-appalachian-trail-ama.1162509/page-4#post-139284114

last update Tuesday night

RIP

Alive!

Ugh, I want to update this thread more but service out here is so sporadic. I also really want to reply to people but I'm so very tired every night. I promise I will tomorrow morning. In the meantime here a quick update and some more photos:

Day 3 complete.
Miles for the day: 15.8
Overall miles: 39.8
Weather: Heavy rains this morning, scattered showers through the afternoon, clear skies into evening.
Terrain: Mountains, hella mountains. Climbed Blood Mountain today in Chattahoichee National Forrest.
Elevation: 4,458
Mood: Going strong.