Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[TylenolJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2-israeli-embassy-employes-shot-killed-in-washington-dc.1195905/

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[Boredfrom]

I think we should hold off on just jumping onto the antisemitism train until more information comes out about the killers motives. Please, let’s not immediately try to conflate this with antisemitism, it's helping no one.

[Boredfrom]

The suspect was identified as Elias Rodriguez, 30, from Chicago, who chanted "Free Free Palestine" while in custody, police said. An eyewitness told CNN the suspected shooter "pretended to be a witness" and waited for police to arrive for over 10 minutes before saying he "did it for Gaza."

ExMod Spineduke chimes:

It's not that it counts or doesn't - this whole conversation of "is it antisemitism" is a poison pill I've seen used over and over to kill conversations. It's particularly egregious because American media and the political class conflate Pro-Palestinian perspectives as antisemitism, and over the course of the last two years I've seen this word lose its original meaning and be used to generate complicity for a genocide. Personally I wouldn't even bother asking the question. Two people are dead and now we have to deal with the consequences. (Nevermind the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians, that's just background noise)

[benji]

 

  You can just... not commit suicide though.

They're trying to get Ana Valens a whole bunch of money, a book deal, comic writing jobs, testifying in front of the UN and a Kickstarter scam?

[benji]

Don’t forget that a huge part of this hate campaign is right-wingers telling me to kill myself

If I was in a mentally fragile state, that kind of harassment could have resulted in my death

I don’t know why no one is discussing that. I could have DIED, dude - A

One of the funniest things ever written.    

[Boredfrom]

Just because someone killed Israeli's doesn't inherently make them antisemetic, wait for more information before feeding into the propoganda that someone being anti-israel is also antisemetic.

No but antisemetism is meant to be a religion thing. It would be the right word if they were killed for being jews. No one has any reason to think that is the case. In fact it's clearly not. We don't know that they were Semitic people either, a lot of Israelis aren't.

They were killed for being part of the Israeli government. Not saying that's ok but antisemitism as a word doesn't fit.

This is correct. If anything this is an anti-israel attack.

Read that the man was supposed to propose to the woman next week, just bought a ring.

 

A terror attack doesn’t make it antisemitic. 

[Boredfrom]

No it just reinforces their confirmation bias - that any action taken in protest of Gaza is an antisemitic one.

[benji]

No but antisemetism is meant to be a religion thing. It would be the right word if they were killed for being jews. No one has any reason to think that is the case. In fact it's clearly not. We don't know that they were Semitic people either, a lot of Israelis aren't.

And it's not a religion thing, Jews are an ethnicity too even if anybody can convert to Judaism. For example, the Nazis complaint about them was not about their religion.

[Boredfrom]

This wasn't just any action. It was murder.

And? You're talking about a country that has deported Mahmoud Khalil for pursuing Palestinian justice and sovereignty. He's a pacifist. I fail to see how this nuance would be acknowledged by the media and the political class.

 

Remember how this guy was crying about Hezbollah members getting killed by pagers?

[Boredfrom]

He targeted Israeli government workers outside a Jewish museum. Didn't say anything about Jews. Shut up and wait for more information

Still doesn't make it antisemitic. They were obviously targeted for being part of Israel. The attacker said free Palestine out loud. Also we don't know that it wasn't Jewish people that did it yet.

Wait… WHAT?

[benji]

For all we know Mossad took them out to false flag and provide justification to exterminate the Free Palestine movement.

[Boredfrom]

Judaism existed before Zionism, they are not intrinsically linked. You need to internalize this if you are truly Pro-Palestine.

Also, no state should be an ethnostate, PERIOD.

Holy shit, this dude.

[benji]

Also, no state should be an ethnostate, PERIOD.

Weird that Nepenthe doesn't lecture the dudes who say this.

[Boredfrom]

Do you think Jewish people are okay with letting a country commit a genocide in the name of Judaism? Let's be frank - Zionism is the core of the issue, not Judaism.

“We don’t like people using Zionism as a slur either.”

“SHUT UP!”



What a piece of shit.

[Boredfrom]

Oppression breeds resistance

The hits keep coming.

The fact that you're using homeland in this instance is crazy to me. It's like you don't understand anything about the situation. In most cases you would be wrong. It's like you can't separate the idea that the religion is from the area, but the people that migrated there in the past 100 years or so are distinct from that original population and the minority population of Jews that were living there for centuries to thousands of years.

It's like claiming any latin person has ties to Spain or the Roman Empire so can consider the current areas as the homeland. How this is wielded has resulted in the genocide of Palestinians.

So you are saying that reparations are BS?  

[benji]

The fact that you're using homeland in this instance is crazy to me. It's like you don't understand anything about the situation. In most cases you would be wrong. It's like you can't separate the idea that the religion is from the area, but the people that migrated there in the past 100 years or so are distinct from that original population and the minority population of Jews that were living there for centuries to thousands of years.

It's like claiming any latin person has ties to Spain or the Roman Empire so can consider the current areas as the homeland. How this is wielded has resulted in the genocide of Palestinians.

So you are saying that reparations are BS?  

Another person Nepenthe needs to set straight about colonialism.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Jake Tapper? We talkin bout maga-loving, fascist-defending, fact-ignoring Jake Tapper?

No surprise this piece of shit titled his book by appropriating what America's original sin actually was. Slavery.

Get fucked.

 

Newsfeed pls. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/joe-bidens-decline-its-cover-up-and-his-disastrous-choice-to-run-again.1195128/page-5#post-140307159

I swear Ree users loved Jake so much during Trump's first POTUS campaign when they were still at GAF

[Polident]

How did we go from the okay hand gesture being secret code for nazis or something. To a guy killing two jews outside a jewish museum while wearing a keffiyeh and yelling about palestine being of no particular motive. 

[Averon]

Some of those posts would make even RustyNail blush.

[Boredfrom]

As an anti-zionist Jew this is an incredibly problematic conflation and if you believe it you're doing exactly what Israel wants you to. I'd also go so far as to argue that conflating Israel with Judaism is itself antisemitic. As an American Jew, they sure as fuck don't represent me just because we happen to share an ethnoreligion. While the land of Israel is certainly inseparable from Judaism, the modern fascist ethnostate government certainly is not inseparable.

I’m sorry to tell you this, but some people will still call you a dirty Zionist because you believe that. 

I admire you stance, but is probably better for the ProPalestine movement to actually move from the anti semitic dog whistles that plague it and you are perpetuating by pretending most people do this separation from Judaism and Zionism,  from what I heard even Jews don’t do this because is more complex than “taking the land”.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

HamasEra: Fuck Israel! Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas are fighting against oppressors.

HamasEra: Oh no.. things are going to be worse for Palestinians now after a man, who IS NOT CONFIRMED TO BE TRULY PART OF THE PALESTINIAN FREEDOM MOVEMENT, shot two jews..

Stop playing both sides, condone violence or don't. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Some of those posts would make even RustyNail blush.

unban him NOW

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

For all we know Mossad took them out to false flag and provide justification to exterminate the Free Palestine movement.

[Daffy Duck]

I can't post the interview due to the interviewer

Why even bother at this point…you already got dragged in the main thread because it’s related to that Colin Moriarty guy, just give up 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/neil-druckmann-confirms-the-fireflies-could-have-made-a-viable-cure-in-interview-other-insights-on-the-show-games-and-future.1195935/

[benji]

Are we supposed to be arming up, organizing and taking direct action against genocidal fascists in the streets or not? I'm getting mixed signals again.

[Boredfrom]

Look, I’m just a dirty Roman Catholic agnostic, so I cant spoke for neither Jews or Muslims… but I imagine that murdering two random diplomats (?) after an event in a Jewish Museum will help to differentiate the ProPalestine movement from good old antisemitism, so maybe you should distance from this and not trying to pass it as a valid form of protest/resistance.

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Are we supposed to be arming up, organizing and taking direct action against genocidal fascists in the streets or not? I'm getting mixed signals again.

I'm so confused.. Like are we going to stop nazis or no?

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

Look, I’m just a dirty agnostic Roman Catholic, so I can spoke for neither Jews or Muslims… but I imagine that murdering two random diplomats (?) after an event in a Jewish Museum will help to differentiate the ProPalestine movement from good old antisemitism, so maybe you should distance from this and not trying to pass it as a valid form of protest/resistance.

You would think that because it's the smart option but we're talking about HamasEra. 

[Gameboy Nostalgia]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/microsoft-bans-the-words-%E2%80%9Cpalestine-gaza-and-genocide-in-internal-emails.1195929/

Don't worry. We have Pai Pai Master running interference after getting signaled on the Discord. It's time to see which thread gets more activity.

[Besticus Maximus]

but your honour, I was under the impression that shooting israelies was actually the opposite of antisemitism, if anything