Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[BananaBlast]

no crossdressing gay alien couple

Nani giving Lilo to social services

no anti tourism subplot

early defining movie for the second trump administration

newsfeed pls

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/#post-140388792

This is a fucking bire comedy post and yet it's Chumunga64's actual unironic thoughts 

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/psa-please-dont-get-sifu-or-sloclaps-upcoming-football-game-rematch—their-creative-director-follows-jk-rowling-radio-genoa-liza-rosen-and-more.1197855/page-3#post-140391660

"Majority"? It didn't sell like Pokemon or RDR or GTA.



Fuck I only know one person of the many gamer friends I have that even bought it.



I wouldn't cast such a wide net, even though we both hate the game.

Who wants to tell him

[Jansen]

Lilo and stitch thread is hilarious because the people of gender descended from their discord because they can't have children themselves but they'll tell you all about how children should be raised and by whom

[Taco Bell Tower]

So crazy that they just perma'd Yasuke like that. That was probably one of their most loyal subjects, and they just permanently nuked him just on a whim.   

Account status literally means nothing anymore. You can be a day 1, 30,000+ post user, and still get sniped by the trans mafia for saying "I like Harry Potter movies"

Also what the hell is the point of witchhunting over following problematic people, but then ignoring others who do the same thing? Does it just apply to whoever the collective hive don't like, or don't know enough about? Isn't Neil Druckman way more popular than this random Sifu director guy I've never heard of before?

It's because Druckmann made The Last of Us.  In the new PSA Sifu thread people are bringing up John Cena and Stephen King, arguing how they shouldn't get a pass.  Cena is only mentioned cuz McMahon 

[Jansen]

finalgirl vs zeovagine... I want zeo to win tbh

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/page-5#post-140391852

Gotta be honest, if the neighbor that Lilo "winds up with" really is portrayed as "as close as family" in the movie then the events would fit the themes of the movie perfectly and Zeo would be the one who is absolutely wrong about their read of what is going on.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/page-2#post-140389545

100% fucking agree. Saw it yesterday. The reactions in this thread are painful.

It's how Era is getting in general lately with things like this. It's a lot of chronically online people who don't understand how domestic things actually work IRL and freak out when they aren't hyper idealized and unrealistic.

Privileged nonsense

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/page-5#post-140391852

Gotta be honest, if the neighbor that Lilo "winds up with" really is portrayed as "as close as family" in the movie then the events would fit the themes of the movie perfectly and Zeo would be the one who is absolutely wrong about their read of what is going on.

Zeo is wrong, people who seen it proved it 

[killamajig]

Bufbat takes a hit

That's only half-true. Yes, he had nice words about her novel from a writers' perspective (3 years ago, if I'm not mistaken), but he's VERY outspokenly pro trans, attacks a ton of right-wing/anti-woke chuds on social, and never was coy about trans women being women et al.

I don't really understand why you want to "cancel" an ally here, but whatever. Massive difference to outwardly anti-trans people like Rowling, and also very different to people like the Sifu guy.

You don't get brownie points for being an 'ally' if you're cozying up to and praising one of the most hateful, damaging people of our time who's actively using her wealth to oppress and harass trans folk.

[TylenolJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/page-5#post-140391852

Gotta be honest, if the neighbor that Lilo "winds up with" really is portrayed as "as close as family" in the movie then the events would fit the themes of the movie perfectly and Zeo would be the one who is absolutely wrong about their read of what is going on.

Zeo is wrong, people who seen it proved it 

Factually incorrect! At least two people said he was right!

[PogiJones]

Also what the hell is the point of witchhunting over following problematic people, but then ignoring others who do the same thing? Does it just apply to whoever the collective hive don't like, or don't know enough about? Isn't Neil Druckman way more popular than this random Sifu director guy I've never heard of before?

Because they try to pick on people they think they can hurt. They don't actually want change, they just want to get off on hurting people. They know they can't do a thing to Druckman. Same reason they won't ban Microsoft. The Hogwarts and Cyberpunk sales have been extremely uncomfortable for them, a thorn in their sides for years, showing them how small they are, so they're gonna go back to their template of picking on people like that random Subnautica sound guy or that Limited Run Games PR girl.

[Snoopy]

Meanwhile a message from Epstein Island

Ain't no way I'm letting my girls watch this lmao, but I'll have them watch the original soon.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/page-4#post-140390601

[HaughtyFrank]

Meanwhile a message from Epstein Island

Ain't no way I'm letting my girls watch this lmao, but I'll have them watch the original soon.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/page-4#post-140390601

*Messo angrily standing up in a theater*

"Where is the cross dressing? Where are the gay aliens?! Come on girls, we are leaving"

"But dad, I want to see the funny alien"

"WE ARE LEAVING"

[killamajig]

you're basing this all off my usage of a Spongebob image? hm. ok!

I was just saying that because yeah, you DO have to sacrifice things to raise a child, even when you have a partner and are older. that's.... what parenting is. I think you're maybe a little upset and taking things too personally because I don't know about your childhood or desire to talk shit about your... mom? ma'am, this is a discussion thread about the ending of Lilo & Stitch (2025). Are you ok?

You're the one that is calling everyone that disagrees with you "media illiterate" and the only reason people could disagree with you (and think that this ending ruins the message of the original movie and that the remake didn't put in enough effort to make the change not feel contrived) is that they didn't see the movie and are being outraged for clicks. When multiple people told you they saw it and still disagree. You're the one that called this thread "Bad-faith" when the OP has been willing to discuss things reasonably. You then even acted like the superior one doing an honest-to-god "I'm eating popcorn" response to people disagreeing with you and calling us "toxic" for not thinking that this "found family" works and that the original version worked better. Explain to me why I shouldn't think you're arguing in bad faith?

Honestly, it proves my point more that you focused on my post and misread it; you ignored everyone else that pointed out that parents sacrifice things but don't have to sacrifice everything to raise kids, which is what you've implied Nani would have to do in this version in order to raise Lilo. Even though multiple people pointed out how it's not true and gave good examples in their lives of how its still possible. But it's *me* that you responded to because you think I'm the one you can make look hysterical and thus a weaker opponent.

Just admit that you've been a needless asshole to other people in this thread over them not liking the ending to a movie you did. You can disagree with people without being an asshole.

People in the other thread were doing just fine at being able to say that they disagreed with the consensus and liked the new ending better.

[killamajig]

Requested a thread title change to reflect the much more divided opinions on the ending, as I was wrong to assume it would be fairly one-sided.

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/adam-ruins-adam-ruin-everything-for-real-this-time-up-adam-responds-up-2-video-response.1186293/page-3#post-140379894

Update from ResetEra: apology accepted. uncanceled

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-space-marine-chapter-would-like-to-get-focus-in-a-live-action-warhammer-40k-series.1197501/

Hello Warhammer 40Eras! So as we've known for a while now, their is possibly a live action Warhammer 40k series coming... Maybe, god knows given how much of mess Hollywood seems to be right now.

Anyway, assuming the very likely chance that any series will feature Space Marines, what chapter or chapters do you want to see and what do you want them doing?

Personally, I don't want the Ultramarines get the spot light, I feel they already get a lot of exposure already and if the series is set into the Indomitus crusade, doesn't give you much freedom to create your own unique stories.

Personally would prefer either an original chapter have the focus or a minor chapter, not only would that give you a ton freedom to give you them their own culture, history, characters, stories etc but also lets you make the series your own and create something beloved, like how the Dawn of War series did with their own Blood Ravens or Imperial Armour did for the Red Scorpions (who before were barely a thing) or Ben Counter did for the Soul Drinkers.

My personal choices would either be a White Scar or Blood Angel chapter, the former gives you a justification for smaller parties (saying money and and obvious issue we've seen with other shows) and I think their culture would work well for a TV show, the latter because I think their quirk of the Black Rage would be interesting to see in live action and would be fascinating to see on screen.

My personal pick would be a White Scar successor chapter like the Dark Hunters about a captain who has suffered a horrible defeat and failure and by order of the Chapter Master, Kharne Al Murzim, must go on a penitence hunt to kill and bring back the head of one of the Chapter's greatest enemies who had recently been reported sighted along with 4-6 of his old Marines; both to absolve himself of his failure but also as a test of character. This hunt would then tie them into the other plotlines set on the main planet of the series setting.

How about all of you?

 Strange, I didn't think women were into Warhammer

[BIONIC]

It was so tacky I blocked it with the extension that does the same thing as that subscription.

Just wanna say, ya'll are spoiled. At the old place you wouldn't dare admit this or you'd get banned. I seen it myself, Bish would come out the woodwork and just clobber you into dust for using an ad blocker.

Don’t have to answer this obviously but is there like a mandate by the corpo overlords for this type of shit, the subs? 4 bucks is whatever, I’m just curious

It's something we offered from literally day 1.

It’s almost impressive how big of a prick this fucker is

[simiansmarts]

Shoutout to that thread about Japan gaming demographics where people were discussing how games like Animal Crossing actually had greater appeal to women than violent PlayStation action games that had female protagonists like Horizon, Stellar Blade and Returnal. Echoes was losing his fucking mind in that thread because he thought that his taste in fighting games and warhammer not aligning with the majority of women gamers made him less valid (and deep down he knew that but just didn't want to face reality).   
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/japan-gaming-survey-nearly-half-of-switch-users-are-women-20-and-15-for-ps4-5-pc-gaming-pcs-becoming-more-popular-among-young-men-and-more.1187706/

[killamajig]

I'm going to bow out of the thread for now by saying this

According to Lilo and Stitch, "Ohana" means family.

And as a queer person there is nothing greater than the family you find. Like this family I've found on ResetEra.

Sometimes it's your blood relatives, sometimes it's friends who become so close to you they become family. Sometimes is a community.

And if you can't let your family live their dreams, then they weren't their family.

Because your family, found or not, will always be there for you and you will always be there for them.

Lilo and Stitch are found family. They to love each other and will always support each other.

The point of both movies are found family. And maybe both movies fumbles the idea in some ways, but both are important to me.

[HaughtyFrank]

Very amused by Kyuuji, who claimed Last of us 2 made them realize they're trans, not caring at all that Druckman follows Rowling but instead is laser focused on Stephen King following Rowling 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/psa-please-dont-get-sifu-or-sloclaps-upcoming-football-game-rematch%E2%80%94their-creative-director-follows-jk-rowling-radio-genoa-liza-rosen-and-more.1197855/post-140391588

[Averon]

Very amused by Kyuuji, who claimed Last of us 2 made them realize they're trans, not caring at all that Druckman follows Rowling but instead is laser focused on Stephen King following Rowling 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/psa-please-dont-get-sifu-or-sloclaps-upcoming-football-game-rematch%E2%80%94their-creative-director-follows-jk-rowling-radio-genoa-liza-rosen-and-more.1197855/post-140391588

It's so blatant. They are laser focused on some no name guy from a small studio.

Completely ignores Druckmann for doing the same. A much more higher profile name in the entire game industry heading Sony's most famous studio.
Only begrudgingly acknowledge King, an extremely popular and influential author, following Rowling.

Like Pogi said, they only go after selective targets they think they can hurt the most. They are much more likely to hurt this Sifu dev than Druckmann and especially King.

[Boredfrom]

Family means no one gets left behind submit to the US government and accept your fate under capitalism.

When I think on anti capitalist stories… I think about Lilo and Stitch.

[benji]

So he's admitting that posting your pronouns is merely group signaling behavior?

[HeavenIsAPlaceOnEarth]

Shoutout to that thread about Japan gaming demographics where people were discussing how games like Animal Crossing actually had greater appeal to women than violent PlayStation action games that had female protagonists like Horizon, Stellar Blade and Returnal. Echoes was losing his fucking mind in that thread because he thought that his taste in fighting games and warhammer not aligning with the majority of women gamers made him less valid (and deep down he knew that but just didn't want to face reality).   
 
https://www.resetera.com/threads/japan-gaming-survey-nearly-half-of-switch-users-are-women-20-and-15-for-ps4-5-pc-gaming-pcs-becoming-more-popular-among-young-men-and-more.1187706/

Uh why wouldn't TLOU2 not have appeal for women? Like every person I know personally and my friend group who've played it are women? Can we not stereotype or declare why can't/don't like x genres


Hell so many women I know love Aloy, the biggest Horizon fans I know are women. And that's not even getting the collective fan girl screaming I saw from women towards SF6's Marisa or the constant love women have for characters like Samus

[DavidCroquet]

Meanwhile a message from Epstein Island

Ain't no way I'm letting my girls watch this lmao, but I'll have them watch the original soon.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-whatever-youre-thinking-right-now-its-actually-worse.1197924/page-4#post-140390601

*Messo angrily standing up in a theater*

"Where is the cross dressing? Where are the gay aliens?! Come on girls, we are leaving"

"But dad, I want to see the funny alien"

"WE ARE LEAVING"

The irony is that the gay alien dresses very gay in this movie…I watched it tonight. There’s no mistaking it. They’re just mad about fake things again.

[benji]

T b h, just chug it in to every Microsoft related thread. If this shit won't convince people I don't know what will.

Nadella and any other officer in charge of this fucking company are all scum.

MS just going all in on the shittyness like this...

Do they really not want me to buy thier shit?

We need a link to this and all other threads that are currently active on ETC and Gaming on Top of EVERY Microsoft/Xbox Related Topic.
Not on the bottom.
On top.

This isn't a small issue like some random guy saying "People should just afford 80$ games".
People need to be aware and be not allowed to hide from the truth.
This is where you should aim your outrage at.

They are literally banning the words Palestine and Gaza to cover their ass.
Trying to spin the truth the other day.

And they aren't just a small player in this either.
They are one of the main actors in this.
They're like Vegeta or someone like that and one of the biggest supporters of the Mainguy.

This is a whole big corporation trying to burry the truth.

Honestly, Era already has been doing a lot more than enough coverage for Palastine and I'm so proud of everyone and the mods.

I'm going to suggest something a bit aggressive but I don't expect it to happen (it's okay of course). Maybe not banning Xbox news from Era like CDPR but adding notes in every related Xbox thread created about this.

They're apparently planning for something along those lines.

Fair enough. I think that's already better than my expectations. People wanting full bans are probably asking for too much.

The site will lose massive amounts of revenue

We will see, I guess.

My personal view: if it's to much of an obvious half ass I'll probably just get out of here permanently. My platform warring ban from earlier in this thread killed a great deal of my motivation.

I'm glad you brought that up. I'm gonna be real with y'all, a complete ban of Microsoft is simply not feasible. We may as well just shut down the site at that point. They're too large of a presence in the gaming industry and we are a gaming forum.

However, going forward, every Xbox OT, Game Pass OT, and Xbox Game Studios game OT will have an info banner with information about the issues, and links to the relevant threads (this one and the one on the Etc side). We will make sure that the visibility of the issues is front and center.

"It's simply not feasible for us to oppose genocide, too much money for our Swedish capitalists is at stake." -  

I mean, it's really not just that. Does anyone really think the gaming subreddits or various xbox fansites will actually do anything close to this, let alone acknowledge it's happening? Nah, people will just go off to spaces where they don't ever even have to think about the issue and then it will be summarily ignored by everyone because nobody is even talking about it. Eventually, those spaces will just straight up start banning anyone who even brings it up. There's value in deplatforming, nobody can deny that, but there's also value in pushing back and making sure people don't forget what's going on and, real talk, we're probably the only place willing to do that. At least this way, when people come here to look up stuff about their fav games, they will have to content with it. Reddit and the lot ain't gonna force that.

"We're actually doing the most possible to fight genocide by letting everyone talk about Microsoft products." -  

Yeah there is no point in the bans, it just hurts the site. People will leave and go to 1000 other places, and if Microsoft change their mind and pull back from what they are doing and the ban is lifted, a lot of those people are just not going to come back. And then the site is lacking on the xbox side of things and it just weakens the overall discussion.

Awareness and visibility is the only viable options really.

Thank you, this is a very thoughtful and reasonable approach.

Good stuff and big ups to the mod team

I can see the reason behind this approach. As long as the people in this community most impacted by the matter at hand are satisfied by this site's response, then so am I.

Which is understandable. We're very proud of you and thankful for the amount of light you shed on this.

Thanks mods, I appreciate all your work and consideration coming to this implementation. The more eyes on the issue, the better.

Reassuring to hear this TBH. I was concerned there'd be an all-out ban which would splinter the boards in general, I understand the need for this thread as well as the visibility being boosted and I respect it, I just don't think I could realistically support banning discussion of all MS products, games, etc.

DespiteTheNora already responded but my mind immediately went to Tenderfoot Tactics. their gesture is what makes me want to purchase their game. I think I spent too much this month so next month I'll get the game on macOS, I guess. it's just a matter of downloading it from the app store, I'm guessing.

"Thank you staff, there's really nothing you could have done, this genocide just isn't as serious as Harry Potter, Cyberpunk, Twitter or Colin Moriarty."
"You're welcome community, you're right, in that case the Nazi is directly harming people unlike the Nazis at Microsoft who are simply too powerful and directly supplying material to the genocide. So not only will we not ban Microsoft in order to raise awareness about their genocidal crimes, we're willing to send money to Western developers and other large tech companies that do business in Israel instead of directly to Palestinians." -

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/spoilers-lilo-stitch-remake-has-a-new-ending-and-fans-are-very-divided.1197924/page-7#post-140394375

Just to elaborate on an earlier point. Lilo & Stitch is a metaphor about post-colonialism and Hawaii's struggle to retain its culture and identity as it's assimilated through white economic expansionism. For those unfamiliar, Hawaii was an independent nation and would still be that if not for white colonialism leading to its monarchy being overthrown, the islands being annexed, and statehood eventually being forced upon it. Even now, now as much as ever, Hawaii is fighting a losing battle. Lilo & Stitch is about that struggle, the feeling of losing one's heritage and future at the same time.

Obviously, those themes have been seriously undercut in the new movie in certain ways, but that doesn't change what this movie is about. It is still Lilo & Stitch. It still holds the same metaphor at its heart. The found family storyline is about Hawaii, its people and culture, embracing itself and protecting its future. It's about finding the meaning of ohana and protecting it. To have, even subtly, Nani give Lilo up to the state, even if by appearances nothing changes and there are very reasonable benefits for Nani to want, completely destroys that metaphor in such a grossly insulting way. During AAPI month, too.

[Taco Bell Tower]

:era

[simiansmarts]

The only reason Captain Gantu wasn't in the Lilo & Stitch remake was because he would've added an additional $30M to the film's production budget. Giant CGI whale people do NOT come cheap. 
  
Plus, that gives Disney material for the inevitable sequels this movie will get so long as that little blue koala bastard keeps raking in the dough. People forget that Stitch was like the OG Minion in terms of merchandise in the 2000s.