Journal of Other Forum Analysis

[Besticus Maximus]

I really can't with these fucking guys

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-is-pure-class.762900/post-111796341

The game has a strange mix of brutalizing female characters but also treating Triss, Yennifer, Ciri, and Keira Metz as fully fleshed out individuals. If men get it just as bad I'm blanking on good & numerous examples compared to what we see with women.

Wow. It's really strange how this game treats women like any other human beings. Some are strong, some are evil and some are victims. Truly bizarre treatment of female characters.

I don't really know much history about literature and drama so I just learned from my reading that back before the Enlightenment period it was thought that fiction should only depict people acting in good and proper ways in clear straight forward fashion so the audience could not miss the point of how to live. So the Thinkers (to use MovieBob's scientific term) condemned tragedy and comedy for incorrectly inflaming the passions in the masses instead of instructing how to be virtuous. Shakespeare was condemned for "confusingly" mixing genres and giving complex motives to individuals. Characters being actual individuals in general was condemned as it was thought that instead they should be "timeless" archetypes that act only in ways that fit the essential nature of those archetypes, so heroes should show no doubts and have no vices while always being upstanding and correct (*cough* MCU vs. Zack Snyder's masterpieces *cough*) or else audiences might not think correctly about certain types of people and roles. Also in general artists were condemned for depicting non-virtuous things outside of the clear unambiguous villains as this was seen as endorsement, it was thought that no artist could enjoy writing bad characters so any humanizing of them was a revelation of the artists own traits since how else could they put themselves in the mind of such a character.

Basically, what I'm saying yet again is that our "progressive" friends live in and demand the ways of the centuries old past. I'm starting to fear asking them just to catch up to the Enlightenment may be asking too much.

What people often forget is that for all of human history, 99% of works produced have been trash and that's why we don't talk about them. Most works of drama and literature produced in all of human history have been hagiographies for people, fashions and institutions but we don't give a fuck about them because they had nothing to say of importance and were vehicles for moralising and stock characters.

The amount of stuff that gets absorbed into the canon and remains in print to some degree is absolutely tiny. And the stuff that stays relevant is the transgressive stuff. Did you know that there's only like 600 lines of Sappho's poems extant? Something that big in the popular conscience and we've got like, half a thread's worth of posts.

A thousand and one nights' frame narrative is that a sultan kills his wife after their wedding night for and marries a new one the next day, every day, for his entire reign up to the point the story starts. That's the muslims major narrative offering. Dark shit sells, for a reason. Death and sex folks, that's all there ever was.

[benji]

So, in other words, you're just straight up denying the facts about how good She-Hulk and other recent MCU productions are.

[Boredfrom]

Eh… a lot of this stuff was also destroyed and lost. Including influential Muslim philosophers or lost Greek works. 

Sometimes we only have the translations of the translations.

[Venice]

New Planetsmasher lore?

On top of that, as a sexual assault victim I constantly just...hate my own physical shape because the presence of being in it makes me uncomfortable.

More like more bullshit.

I can't believe anybody on the planet would want to have any kind of sex with PlanetSmasher.

Restraining orders, yes, but not sex.

He'll say absolutely anything to 'fit in'. Loser.

[Uncle]

I don't have any well formed thoughts on forgotten shitty media other than it's interesting to think about sometimes, even if it's something that is wisely left in the past and no reason it should be preserved or revisited, there's a sense of loss

something that mattered to someone at one time, that someone might've poured their heart and soul into, and maybe was even quite influential in its small sphere of circulation, pretty much gone now

there were a number of books I read as a kid probably just because they happened to be in front of me at the time, really old stuff owned by my parents when they were kids, and before the internet became all-encompassing...a lot of those books are barely a footnote anywhere online, not to imply that they deserve any better than that

I guess both bores are like that too

[Boredfrom]

I think is a little optimistic to think that the stuff preserved is always the best of the best. A lot of stuff we preserve from ancient times is because dumb luck rather that genuine effort to preserve it.

[Potato]

Nintendo is going put Miyamoto on this again to make sure it is as accurate as possible.
(link doesn't speak, he can only carry 4 bottles, all hylians are white, he wants The Rock as Goron and Link has to play a minigame every 20 minutes) 

Aonuma: "I'm just glad I don't know how to make movies so I wasn't involved much beyond giving guidance on the timeline and the fishing minigame"

All: "There is a timeline?" [laughs]

If we're going for accuracy, I want to see movie Link holding 14 swords and 7 shields. Then one breaking mid-fight.

[benji]

I Used to Love Marvel. Now It Feels Like Homework
I shouldn't need to know exactly who did what and when in the first season of Loki to understand the upcoming second season. The MCU is just too much now.

We’re weeks away from the once-highly anticipated second season of Marvel Studios’ Loki, the most-streamed Disney+ show, which premiered in 2021. Something’s different this time though. It’s...quiet. My social media feeds, once alight with theories, passionate reactions, and yearning fan fiction in response to Marvel projects, have given me the sense that no one even knows Loki Season 2 is on its way next month. (I wouldn’t have known either if I hadn’t thought to Google it last week.) Studios might like to blame our collective disinterest on the writers’ and actors’ strikes—which are impeding stars’ promotion of their upcoming releases—but that’s just their refusal to actually take accountability speaking.

I could barely stomach three episodes of Marvel’s latest Disney+ show, Secret Invasion, which follows Nick Fury battling an army of shape-shifting aliens that he himself brought to Earth, before I became too tired and disinterested and had to call it. The show drew staggeringly low audience ratings and predictably poor reviews—and it’s hardly the first post-Endgame Marvel project to flop miserably. Vulture called Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania “a cry for help.” Thor: Love and Thunder was panned by critics and fans alike. Every Marvel Cinematic Universe project now requires a PhD in Marvel studies just to watch it, and there’s little pay-off for remembering every detail beyond suffering through cartoonishly bad CGI and cringe jokes. I once tirelessly obsessed over Marvel projects, but the movies that got me through the pandemic now just feel like homework.

To be fair, Marvel has done a decent amount to stave off my superhero fatigue, like introducing the franchise’s first queer and Muslim heroes; dragging online incels in She-Hulk; and setting the stage for the feminist thrill ride that The Marvels looks like it will be when it hits theaters in November. The studio has drawn a lot of predictably stupid sexist and racist vitriol from trolls, eager to assert that the MCU is going downhill for all the wrong reasons. (Then again, I’ll have to watch Jonathan Majors in Loki. His trial for domestic abuse could coincide with the new season’s release—and his role in the Marvel universe is growing.)

Marvel’s strides toward diversity and occasional embrace of newness are actually the few redeeming things the studio has going for it right now. Its downfall comes in its marriage to its past, as well as its determination to churn out as much content as possible regardless of whether anyone is actually asking for it. And it’s not just Marvel—the D.C. franchise is also in a state of chaos right now, between conflicting accounts about the future of Wonder Woman, the bizarre ballad of Ezra Miller, and massive flops like Shazam and The Flash.

At its core, it’s just all too much right now. There are no real stakes when the next Disney+ show or the fifth Thor movie is always just around the corner. This over-saturation of superhero shows and movies makes it impossible to be a casual fan—or even a devoted one. The MCU’s commitment to its own lore means all of its plotlines are exhaustingly entangled. And as I’ve previously written, the studio’s refusal to move on means every Avenger and their damn cousin is suddenly getting a child or protege—even though it would almost certainly be more enjoyable for everyone to just move on. There’s also the fact that all of this is a lot harder to enjoy knowing how severely mistreated, exploited, and some Marvel employees—namely VFX artists—are as the studio seems to be pivoting to AI art (however badly it was done in Secret Invasion).

ZEOVGM AND THAT OTHER GUY HELP JEZEBEL IS SIDING WITH THE CHUDS 

[Uncle]

I think is a little optimistic to think that the stuff preserved is always the best of the best. A lot of stuff we preserve from ancient times is because dumb luck rather that genuine effort to preserve it.

one of the books I vaguely remember reading, from fucking 1926

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomba%2C_the_Jungle_Boy

A common theme of the Bomba books is that Bomba, because he is white, has a soul that is awake, while his friends, the dark-skinned natives, have souls that are sleeping. Richard A. Lupoff, in his book Master of Adventure, a study of the works of Tarzan creator Edgar Rice Burroughs, describes the Bomba tales as more blatantly racist than the often-criticized Tarzan books.

[Potato]

I Used to Love Marvel. Now It Feels Like Homework
I shouldn't need to know exactly who did what and when in the first season of Loki to understand the upcoming second season. The MCU is just too much now.

We’re weeks away from the once-highly anticipated second season of Marvel Studios’ Loki, the most-streamed Disney+ show, which premiered in 2021. Something’s different this time though. It’s...quiet. My social media feeds, once alight with theories, passionate reactions, and yearning fan fiction in response to Marvel projects, have given me the sense that no one even knows Loki Season 2 is on its way next month. (I wouldn’t have known either if I hadn’t thought to Google it last week.) Studios might like to blame our collective disinterest on the writers’ and actors’ strikes—which are impeding stars’ promotion of their upcoming releases—but that’s just their refusal to actually take accountability speaking.

I could barely stomach three episodes of Marvel’s latest Disney+ show, Secret Invasion, which follows Nick Fury battling an army of shape-shifting aliens that he himself brought to Earth, before I became too tired and disinterested and had to call it. The show drew staggeringly low audience ratings and predictably poor reviews—and it’s hardly the first post-Endgame Marvel project to flop miserably. Vulture called Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania “a cry for help.” Thor: Love and Thunder was panned by critics and fans alike. Every Marvel Cinematic Universe project now requires a PhD in Marvel studies just to watch it, and there’s little pay-off for remembering every detail beyond suffering through cartoonishly bad CGI and cringe jokes. I once tirelessly obsessed over Marvel projects, but the movies that got me through the pandemic now just feel like homework.

To be fair, Marvel has done a decent amount to stave off my superhero fatigue, like introducing the franchise’s first queer and Muslim heroes; dragging online incels in She-Hulk; and setting the stage for the feminist thrill ride that The Marvels looks like it will be when it hits theaters in November. The studio has drawn a lot of predictably stupid sexist and racist vitriol from trolls, eager to assert that the MCU is going downhill for all the wrong reasons. (Then again, I’ll have to watch Jonathan Majors in Loki. His trial for domestic abuse could coincide with the new season’s release—and his role in the Marvel universe is growing.)

Marvel’s strides toward diversity and occasional embrace of newness are actually the few redeeming things the studio has going for it right now. Its downfall comes in its marriage to its past, as well as its determination to churn out as much content as possible regardless of whether anyone is actually asking for it. And it’s not just Marvel—the D.C. franchise is also in a state of chaos right now, between conflicting accounts about the future of Wonder Woman, the bizarre ballad of Ezra Miller, and massive flops like Shazam and The Flash.

At its core, it’s just all too much right now. There are no real stakes when the next Disney+ show or the fifth Thor movie is always just around the corner. This over-saturation of superhero shows and movies makes it impossible to be a casual fan—or even a devoted one. The MCU’s commitment to its own lore means all of its plotlines are exhaustingly entangled. And as I’ve previously written, the studio’s refusal to move on means every Avenger and their damn cousin is suddenly getting a child or protege—even though it would almost certainly be more enjoyable for everyone to just move on. There’s also the fact that all of this is a lot harder to enjoy knowing how severely mistreated, exploited, and some Marvel employees—namely VFX artists—are as the studio seems to be pivoting to AI art (however badly it was done in Secret Invasion).

ZEOVGM AND THAT OTHER GUY HELP JEZEBEL IS SIDING WITH THE CHUDS 

Ah, but you see, everyone else's criticism is sexist, misogynistic and racist, MY criticism, AND ONLY MY CRITICISM, is pure.

[Uncle]

I Used to Love Marvel. Now It Feels Like Homework
I shouldn't need to know exactly who did what and when in the first season of Loki to understand the upcoming second season. The MCU is just too much now.

We’re weeks away from the once-highly anticipated second season of Marvel Studios’ Loki, the most-streamed Disney+ show, which premiered in 2021. Something’s different this time though. It’s...quiet. My social media feeds, once alight with theories, passionate reactions, and yearning fan fiction in response to Marvel projects, have given me the sense that no one even knows Loki Season 2 is on its way next month. (I wouldn’t have known either if I hadn’t thought to Google it last week.) Studios might like to blame our collective disinterest on the writers’ and actors’ strikes—which are impeding stars’ promotion of their upcoming releases—but that’s just their refusal to actually take accountability speaking.

I could barely stomach three episodes of Marvel’s latest Disney+ show, Secret Invasion, which follows Nick Fury battling an army of shape-shifting aliens that he himself brought to Earth, before I became too tired and disinterested and had to call it. The show drew staggeringly low audience ratings and predictably poor reviews—and it’s hardly the first post-Endgame Marvel project to flop miserably. Vulture called Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania “a cry for help.” Thor: Love and Thunder was panned by critics and fans alike. Every Marvel Cinematic Universe project now requires a PhD in Marvel studies just to watch it, and there’s little pay-off for remembering every detail beyond suffering through cartoonishly bad CGI and cringe jokes. I once tirelessly obsessed over Marvel projects, but the movies that got me through the pandemic now just feel like homework.

To be fair, Marvel has done a decent amount to stave off my superhero fatigue, like introducing the franchise’s first queer and Muslim heroes; dragging online incels in She-Hulk; and setting the stage for the feminist thrill ride that The Marvels looks like it will be when it hits theaters in November. The studio has drawn a lot of predictably stupid sexist and racist vitriol from trolls, eager to assert that the MCU is going downhill for all the wrong reasons. (Then again, I’ll have to watch Jonathan Majors in Loki. His trial for domestic abuse could coincide with the new season’s release—and his role in the Marvel universe is growing.)

Marvel’s strides toward diversity and occasional embrace of newness are actually the few redeeming things the studio has going for it right now. Its downfall comes in its marriage to its past, as well as its determination to churn out as much content as possible regardless of whether anyone is actually asking for it. And it’s not just Marvel—the D.C. franchise is also in a state of chaos right now, between conflicting accounts about the future of Wonder Woman, the bizarre ballad of Ezra Miller, and massive flops like Shazam and The Flash.

At its core, it’s just all too much right now. There are no real stakes when the next Disney+ show or the fifth Thor movie is always just around the corner. This over-saturation of superhero shows and movies makes it impossible to be a casual fan—or even a devoted one. The MCU’s commitment to its own lore means all of its plotlines are exhaustingly entangled. And as I’ve previously written, the studio’s refusal to move on means every Avenger and their damn cousin is suddenly getting a child or protege—even though it would almost certainly be more enjoyable for everyone to just move on. There’s also the fact that all of this is a lot harder to enjoy knowing how severely mistreated, exploited, and some Marvel employees—namely VFX artists—are as the studio seems to be pivoting to AI art (however badly it was done in Secret Invasion).

ZEOVGM AND THAT OTHER GUY HELP JEZEBEL IS SIDING WITH THE CHUDS 

To be fair, Marvel has done a decent amount to stave off my superhero fatigue, like introducing the franchise’s first queer and Muslim heroes; dragging online incels in She-Hulk; and setting the stage for the feminist thrill ride that The Marvels looks like it will be when it hits theaters in November. The studio has drawn a lot of predictably stupid sexist and racist vitriol from trolls, eager to assert that the MCU is going downhill for all the wrong reasons. (Then again, I’ll have to watch Jonathan Majors in Loki. His trial for domestic abuse could coincide with the new season’s release—and his role in the Marvel universe is growing.)

I know it's jezebel but jesus every single article about every single thing ever for the past 10 years has had its variation on this passage

"I'm criticizing this thing but I have to couch it in 27 different acknowledgements that I don't sympathize with the evil people criticizing it"

"I'm praising this thing but I must enumerate every little thing that could be perceived as problematic or a social failing"

[Boredfrom]

the feminist thrill ride that The Marvels looks like it will be when it hits theaters in November

Bob Iger and Kevin Feige laughing maniacally in the distance…

[benji]

Interesting how short this thread on an actual sitting governor unilaterally suspending the rule of law, constitutional rights and talking about mass arresting peaceful innocent citizens is:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-mexico-governor-issues-order-suspending-the-right-to-carry-firearms-in-public-across-albuquerque.762765/

Instead of cries about fascism and how this is the start of us being put in camps and up against walls the posts in the thread are mostly like former hate site member Nola's:

More governors and mayors should be doing this.

[HaughtyFrank]

I shouldn't need to know exactly who did what and when in the first season of Loki to understand the upcoming second season

That's an absolute hilarious sentence. That's the one instance where it's okay to expect pre-knowledge

[HaughtyFrank]

Interesting how short this thread on an actual sitting governor unilaterally suspending the rule of law, constitutional rights and talking about mass arresting peaceful innocent citizens is:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-mexico-governor-issues-order-suspending-the-right-to-carry-firearms-in-public-across-albuquerque.762765/

Instead of cries about fascism and how this is the start of us being put in camps and up against walls the posts in the thread are mostly like former hate site member Nola's:

More governors and mayors should be doing this.

Ha, but don't you see, it's actually your fault for pointing out that this is an abuse of power

Republicans are literally always challenging laws and doing heinous shit they know will get struck down in order to make a point and keep a narrative going. Independents always forgive and forget. If they don't do the same for Democrats, it's because people on the left who should be supporting efforts to challenge awful laws are instead wringing their hands with concern and doing half the GOP's propaganda work for them.

[benji]

Yes, clearly doing half the work for GOP propaganda is complaining about illegal actions by the state and not the state actually doing what the GOP propaganda warns they're going to do while crowing about how based it is.

This is like when Beto said HELL YEAH I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS for Twitter likes and didn't understand why people in Texas got upset.

edit: Wait, wait, how did I miss this?

Ha, but don't you see, it's actually your fault for pointing out that this is an abuse of power

Republicans are literally always challenging laws and doing heinous shit they know will get struck down in order to make a point and keep a narrative going. Independents always forgive and forget. If they don't do the same for Democrats, it's because people on the left who should be supporting efforts to challenge awful laws are instead wringing their hands with concern and doing half the GOP's propaganda work for them.

Dismissing concerns of fascist violation of constitutional rights.

[benji]

UPDATE:

[Uncle]

I shouldn't need to know exactly who did what and when in the first season of Loki to understand the upcoming second season

That's an absolute hilarious sentence. That's the one instance where it's okay to expect pre-knowledge

tbh mid-2021 feels so long ago in media-years now that I absolutely expect everyone to have completely forgotten everything that happened in Loki

[Uncle]

holy shit brianna wu
 

[AldusMoneyPenny]

Can't believe I need to watch game of thrones seasons 1-7 to understand season 8

[Besticus Maximus]

I think is a little optimistic to think that the stuff preserved is always the best of the best. A lot of stuff we preserve from ancient times is because dumb luck rather that genuine effort to preserve it.

It’s not to say that the best stuff survives, it’s what stays relevant is the transgressive literature, even of the stuff which survived, and even stuff which only remains in fragments or as references in other works, which is why I picked Sappho and the nights.

The Decameron is about nobles killing time telling racy stories while the plague kills the commoners outside

Canterbury Tales is travellers telling racy stories while on a pilgrimage

Ovid died in exile for offending Augustus' attempt at a moral revival but we have just a few letters of the emperor and we do have the metamorpheses.

I call it 'tits on the walls of the vatican theory'

[Daffy Duck]

Kombat pack 2 wish list discussion, honestly fighting game roster talk might be my new favourite sub genre at Era I just love how they froth at the mouth at all the sausage. I’m surprised there’s been no call for a trans character to be created…

2 -3 guests, hopefully all powerful women like Ripley, Bride from Ready or Not, stuff like that.
Kung Jin
2 more women
Jax

The straight white males can sit on the bench for a bit since Combat Pack 1 and the base game are so filled with them already. You can't let the only gay male character in the entire roster miss yet another game.

[Besticus Maximus]

Kombat pack 2 wish list discussion, honestly fighting game roster talk might be my new favourite sub genre at Era I just love how they froth at the mouth at all the sausage. I’m surprised there’s been no call for a trans character to be created…

2 -3 guests, hopefully all powerful women like Ripley, Bride from Ready or Not, stuff like that.
Kung Jin
2 more women
Jax

The straight white males can sit on the bench for a bit since Combat Pack 1 and the base game are so filled with them already. You can't let the only gay male character in the entire roster miss yet another game.

They already have Baraka tbf

[benji]

Kombat pack 2 wish list discussion, honestly fighting game roster talk might be my new favourite sub genre at Era I just love how they froth at the mouth at all the sausage. I’m surprised there’s been no call for a trans character to be created…

2 -3 guests, hopefully all powerful women like Ripley, Bride from Ready or Not, stuff like that.

They know it's a fighting game, right?

[Polident]

We looped around to DOA being super progressive 

She/Her kicks high!

[Snoopy]

I kind hate this, sorry.

We are all. fucking. actors.

We are all. always. fucking. acting.

Sure, those experienced with it, and who do it consciously, might be better at it.

But don't pretend like everybody doesn't act, every moment, of every day of their lives.

Sorry I just used to date a sociopath [NPD], and she would use the fact that I was an actor to gaslight me all the time.

Regardless of that context, my point still stands, and is not strange at all to anyone who's studied acting theory.

edit: to be precise though, I don't give af if Ashton and Mila are acting or not, they're fucking creeps and even just their associated to Masterson creeps me the fuck out - so yeah, they're fake af.

Can't wait for Theatre Destroyer's expert analysis

[Boredfrom]

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I think is a little optimistic to think that the stuff preserved is always the best of the best. A lot of stuff we preserve from ancient times is because dumb luck rather that genuine effort to preserve it.

It’s not to say that the best stuff survives, it’s what stays relevant is the transgressive literature, even of the stuff which survived, and even stuff which only remains in fragments or as references in other works, which is why I picked Sappho and the nights.

The Decameron is about nobles killing time telling racy stories while the plague kills the commoners outside

Canterbury Tales is travellers telling racy stories while on a pilgrimage

Ovid died in exile for offending Augustus' attempt at a moral revival but we have just a few letters of the emperor and we do have the metamorpheses.

I call it 'tits on the walls of the vatican theory'

I see your point but the big flaw with that reasoning is that what is considered transgressive can change depending of the Era. Periods of the history were every intellectual hates Aristotle and then others when everyone needs to read about him. Hell, you can see this types of cycles today with pop culture and what people used to see as valuable and transgressive, and years later are considered kitsch and problematic.

[NekoFever]

Kombat pack 2 wish list discussion, honestly fighting game roster talk might be my new favourite sub genre at Era I just love how they froth at the mouth at all the sausage. I’m surprised there’s been no call for a trans character to be created…

2 -3 guests, hopefully all powerful women like Ripley, Bride from Ready or Not, stuff like that.
Kung Jin
2 more women
Jax

The straight white males can sit on the bench for a bit since Combat Pack 1 and the base game are so filled with them already. You can't let the only gay male character in the entire roster miss yet another game.

Smash Bros was the best, particularly when they started projecting their obsessions onto the funny pics that Sakurai was posting on Twitter. Arguing about racial coding of Pokémon, etc.

[Averon]

Pretty sad these people need to constantly reaffirm their politics and self-worth through the media they consume.

[Besticus Maximus]

They are voids, husks created by internet addiction, with no opinions or worthwhile thoughts of their own, each is a ripple in the pond of twitter mindrot

Imagine never reading Ezra Pound because he was a massive fash or TS Eliot because he was an incel

The ending to Ulysses is a woman masturbating over her statutory rape

Also oedipus rex, summarised:

- dad invents rape, rapes a prince and becomes king of thebes
- baby is prophesied to kill him, so he has his feet bound with a stake through them to the top of a mountain
- An oracle tells him he'll kil his father and marry his mother
- grows up
- Goes on a trip and runs into his dad without knowing who he is, gets in an argument over nothing and murders him stone dead
- answers a sphinxs riddle on the road to thebes because he thinks he doesn't come from there. Sphix has been killing and eating everyone in the city so they make him king of thebes, and he marries the dowager, his mother.
- his mam hangs herself
- he gouges his own eyes out

A play that is nearly 2500 years old and still in print.