United States Politics: ∆τ_i*ε*φ*m_i<0 where ε=4 and φ=0.25

[DavidCroquet]

Then what's the basis for their claim of ownership of everyone? Fucking lot?

Mandate of Heaven baby. 

[Ethan]

But what if the King likes immigration and opens the border?

If anything, a royal who is religious and does what is right by God is a good thing, for God allows them to rule why not honor our Creator?

Pretty sure God would be/is for open borders too.

[Uncle]

I'm in favor of quadarchy

[killamajig]

[HaughtyFrank]

Having a singular person in charge who is smart and, most importantly, aligns with my beliefs certainly would be super effective but it just doesn't play out like that in reality.

[killamajig]

Well, I took a little walk last night to my car at 2 in the morning in DTLA Little Tokyo during the curfew. If you work or a resident of the area, you're not subject to the curfew. 

It was definitely quieter. 

Your favorite thebire.com embedded reporter will once again take to the streets today to bring you the in depth coverage you can trust.

[benji]

I think the main problem with a hereditary monarchy for the United States is that the obvious choice, MovieBob, is probably not going to ever have sex and so won't have any heirs.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

[HaughtyFrank]

[Besticus Maximus]

We should have just given the yanks a few seats in parliament in hindsight

[Himu]

I will say that the case for monarchy in American has sailed. There's no way it will happen in USA. USA would have to break up for before that ever happened. Restoring the monarchies abroad is a more reasonable goal.

Though America has no chance of becoming monarch, look at what FDR was capable of achieving through a long-term vision through winning four times. America needs to rescind the 22nd amendment for its health and prosperity. The 22nd only guarantees short-term thinking for our problems rather than actually solving them.

Pretty sure God would be/is for open borders too.

There's no evidence of it.

[Ethan]

Pretty sure God would be/is for open borders too.

There's no evidence of it.

“The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”
(Leviticus 19:34)

The book of Leviticus never lies. I mean:

“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.”
(Leviticus 25:44)

Then again:

"You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother. She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her."
(Leviticus 18:7)

Yeah, right...

[HaughtyFrank]

"You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother. She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her."

Pfff, so much for the land of the free

[Himu]

Pretty sure God would be/is for open borders too.

There's no evidence of it.

“The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”
(Leviticus 19:34)

The book of Leviticus never lies. I mean:

“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.”
(Leviticus 25:44)

Then again:

"You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother. She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her."
(Leviticus 18:7)

Yeah, right...

You're either a Jew or an atheist.

Jesus says to render unto Caesar which means to subjugate yourself to your nations laws and one of our laws is that immigration that is not vetted is illegal. Other nations have similar laws. The punishment for immigrating illegally is deportation. Frankly deportation is a moderate response.



Like I said, either a Jew or an atheist. In which case, noted.

[Himu]

Benji you have to admit it's based.

What the fuck is going on in here? 
Arguing the merits of monarchs in 2025?
Oh, it's himu. Carry on then...

101k views, 1 year old. Clearly it's a relevant topic. This was in your own country of Australia.

[Nintex]

I think we did away with Monarchs when inbred cousins started a world war over nothing. 

[Potato]

Benji you have to admit it's based.

What the fuck is going on in here? 
Arguing the merits of monarchs in 2025?
Oh, it's himu. Carry on then...

101k views, 1 year old. Clearly it's a relevant topic. This was in your own country of Australia.

Please make sure you update us on how you are going when you move to the UK.

On that matter, how is the Muslim girlfriend that you were going to propose to a while ago? Did that pan out for you?

[Himu]

I think we did away with Monarchs when inbred cousins started a world war over nothing. 

WW1 was ridiculous.

[HaughtyFrank]

Please make sure you update us on how you are going when you move to the UK.

On that matter, how is the Muslim girlfriend that you were going to propose to a while ago? Did that pan out for you?

UK is just a faux monarchy. Brunei or Saudi Arabia is where it's at

[Himu]

Benji you have to admit it's based.

What the fuck is going on in here? 
Arguing the merits of monarchs in 2025?
Oh, it's himu. Carry on then...

101k views, 1 year old. Clearly it's a relevant topic. This was in your own country of Australia.

Please make sure you update us on how you are going when you move to the UK.

Sure thing. I'll bring you a souvenir.

[benji]

Though America has no chance of becoming monarch, look at what FDR was capable of achieving through a long-term vision through winning four times. America needs to rescind the 22nd amendment for its health and prosperity. The 22nd only guarantees short-term thinking for our problems rather than actually solving them.

This is completely ahistorical as well. FDR didn't do any long term planning at all. The New Deal failed and was based around short-term rewarding of political groups. FDR literally set prices by lucky numbers AND made it illegal to charge lower prices while people were starving. The government deliberately destroyed massive amounts of food while people were starving. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that's needed to have its taxes increased massively multiple times and it's still failing. He tried to pack the court for undermining his fascist plans. He seized people's wealth by fiat and made it illegal to own gold. All of the New Deal was during FDR's first term, he didn't have "accomplishments" in his later terms. He didn't even live to see his fourth term.

Jesus says to render unto Caesar which means to subjugate yourself to your nations laws and one of our laws is that immigration that is not vetted is illegal. Other nations have similar laws. The punishment for immigrating illegally is deportation. Frankly deportation is a moderate response.

This is circular reasoning.

Benji you have to admit it's based.

No, I don't because it's not. Monarchs weren't accountable to the people. They definitely don't limit government. Limited government is about what government undertakes, not how many people make decisions.

You just keep writing fantasies. I asked you to supply an example in the world currently and you didn't. I asked you to supply an example historically and you've just kept giving me fantasies instead of any that actually happened. You couldn't even reach for the handful of enlightened monarchs in history who weren't complete failures.

You're not saying anything new, I've read the apologia for monarchism you're regurgitating, it was purely theoretical when it was argued the first times. None of this shit has ever been true. No elections doesn't end politics, it just obscures it while further protecting the craven and corrupt. And that's why any argument against democracy fails. It's exactly like Churchill said.

[Uncle]

Jesus says to render unto Caesar which means to subjugate yourself to your nations laws and one of our laws is that immigration that is not vetted is illegal.

but the bible doesn't say "thou shalt not pay taxes," in saying "render unto caesar" jesus wasn't making any statement against existing commandments

if caesar passed a law that said "every citizen must murder someone once a month," I doubt the j-man would be saying "welp, gotta render unto caesar I guess," because that law would conflict with the commandment against murdering

so if there's a biblical directive to treat immigrants well, jesus isn't going to say "oh well your local law says to treat them poorly, that supercedes god's law, guess you gotta obey that first"

[Himu]

Though America has no chance of becoming monarch, look at what FDR was capable of achieving through a long-term vision through winning four times. America needs to rescind the 22nd amendment for its health and prosperity. The 22nd only guarantees short-term thinking for our problems rather than actually solving them.

This is completely ahistorical as well. FDR didn't do any long term planning at all. The New Deal failed and was based around short-term rewarding of political groups. FDR literally set prices by lucky numbers AND made it illegal to charge lower prices while people were starving. The government deliberately destroyed massive amounts of food while people were starving. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that's needed to have its taxes increased massively multiple times and it's still failing. He tried to pack the court for undermining his fascist plans. He seized people's wealth by fiat and made it illegal to own gold. All of the New Deal was during FDR's first term, he didn't have "accomplishments" in his later terms. He didn't even live to see his fourth term.

Jesus says to render unto Caesar which means to subjugate yourself to your nations laws and one of our laws is that immigration that is not vetted is illegal. Other nations have similar laws. The punishment for immigrating illegally is deportation. Frankly deportation is a moderate response.

This is circular reasoning.

Benji you have to admit it's based.

No, I don't because it's not. Monarchs weren't accountable to the people. They definitely don't limit government. Limited government is about what government undertakes, not how many people make decisions.

You just keep writing fantasies. I asked you to supply an example in the world currently and you didn't. I asked you to supply an example historically and you've just kept giving me fantasies instead of any that actually happened. You couldn't even reach for the handful of enlightened monarchs in history who weren't complete failures.

You're not saying anything new, I've read the apologia for monarchism you're regurgitating, it was purely theoretical when it was argued the first times. None of this shit has ever been true. No elections doesn't end politics, it just obscures it while further protecting the craven and corrupt. And that's why any argument against democracy fails. It's exactly like Churchill said.

You were were asked what you meant, a mere declaration of terms and definitions, and you couldn't answer. Now you deflect, quoting a man that represented a Constitutional Monarchy in itself all while saying there was never an example of good monarchy. You also use the books of the victors of Democracies and Republics, who have all the incentive to defame monarchies as history is written by the victors. Yet monarchies were used for thousands of years and arguably is our default political system as humans. Monarchy is good and better for society.

[Himu]

Jesus says to render unto Caesar which means to subjugate yourself to your nations laws and one of our laws is that immigration that is not vetted is illegal.

but the bible doesn't say "thou shalt not pay taxes," in saying "render unto caesar" jesus wasn't making any statement against existing commandments

if caesar passed a law that said "every citizen must murder someone once a month," I doubt the j-man would be saying "welp, gotta render unto caesar I guess," because that law would conflict with the commandment against murdering

so if there's a biblical directive to treat immigrants well, jesus isn't going to say "oh well your local law says to treat them poorly, that supercedes god's law, guess you gotta obey that first"

This is a what-if and absurd logic. Jesus commands to obey what the law says. Philosophers and theologians reasoned not all laws are just and not worth following. For example it was argued that slavery was ultimately an unjust law and not worth obeying. On the contrary, it was worth fighting. However, illegal immigration laws are just and fair. Now we have Mexicans burning cars and waving Mexican flags proving illegal immigration laws to be just due to the fruit of illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigration allows other sins such as sexual slavery, drugs, and more to foster. You think Jesus would support this? Unchecked, unvetted illegals to come to your nation and rape your girls and kill them? Burn your cars, riot, throw a tantrum, and wave their flag on your soil?

In South Korea a streamer faces years in prison for being a nuisance in public. In Japan you will jailed for marijuana charges. People are jailed and deported all over the world for illegal immigration in other nations from UK to Russia to Japan and no one bats an eye but when it comes to America people get on their knees and beg and mention Jesus. It's laughable how much they just want to fuck around and abuse America's kindness.

I asked ChatGPT to list the illegal immigration laws of US and other nations:

United States

Law: Illegal entry is a misdemeanor; reentry after deportation is a felony.

Consequences:

Detention and deportation
Up to 6 months in jail (1st offense)
Fines, permanent bans from legal entry
ICE enforcement and immigration court proceedings

🇬🇧 United Kingdom

Law: Illegal entry or overstaying a visa violates immigration laws.

Consequences:

Detention and deportation
Ban on reentry (up to 10 years)
Employers face heavy fines (£20,000 per illegal worker)
Possible criminal charges for using false documents

🇨🇦 Canada
Law: Unauthorized entry or overstaying a visa is prohibited.

Consequences:

Deportation orders issued quickly
Entry bans (1–5 years or more)
Detention in immigration holding centers
Ineligibility for future visas or refugee claims

🇦🇺 Australia

Law: Unauthorized arrivals or visa overstays are unlawful.

Consequences:

Mandatory detention
Deportation
3- or 10-year bans on reentry
Offshore processing (e.g., Nauru for asylum seekers)

🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia
Law: Strict immigration control; overstaying visas is heavily punished.

Consequences:
Heavy fines (up to $13,000 USD)
Imprisonment (up to 6 months)
Deportation
Blacklisting from reentry

🇯🇵 Japan
Law: Unauthorized work or overstaying is illegal.

Consequences:
Detention and deportation
1- to 10-year reentry bans
Employers can be fined or jailed
Criminal charges in serious cases

USA'S consequences are standard fare yet USA gets all this news media attention and guilt tripping. More evidence Republics and news media are stupid and frankly shouldn't exist due to how they use drama and sensationalizing for money.

[Potato]

Benji you have to admit it's based.




101k views, 1 year old. Clearly it's a relevant topic. This was in your own country of Australia.

Please make sure you update us on how you are going when you move to the UK.

Sure thing. I'll bring you a souvenir.

You missed a part...

On that matter, how is the Muslim girlfriend that you were going to propose to a while ago? Did that pan out for you?

Like our friend HaughtyFrank said, Brunei and Saudi are proper monarchies. If you and her are still a thing, she could maybe take you there as a fellow Muslim...

[Himu]

Please make sure you update us on how you are going when you move to the UK.

Sure thing. I'll bring you a souvenir.

You missed a part...

On that matter, how is the Muslim girlfriend that you were going to propose to a while ago? Did that pan out for you?

Like our friend HaughtyFrank said, Brunei and Saudi are proper monarchies. If you and her are still a thing, she could maybe take you there as a fellow Muslim...

Saudi Arabia, as much as I dislike it and Arabs, is doing pretty solid under Prince MBS. He's not even officially king yet. Making connections, updating Saudi to the modern world, shaking hands, owning pieces of entertainment. Saudi is doing what it needs to do and are doing a great job at it.

From The Economist:

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2025/05/08/saudi-arabia-is-pulling-off-an-astonishing-transformation

Free article link here:

https://archive.ph/QgaYF

And MBS is only 38-39 years old. Plenty of time to rule and get even better, proving the fruits of monarchy: fast, orderly, doing what's best for people and country.

Anyways your gotcha question is actually quite ignorant as Muslims are really segregated in many factions especially by country. In the same way Latinos are grouped together but many Latino countries have beef with each other. That girlfriend is Egyptian and has nothing to do Saudi at all. Many Muslims outright hate Saudi and especially hate what MBS is doing to it. MBS is allowing things like Halloween to be celebrated in Saudi Arabia which many Muslims around the world see as secularizing and they hate it. But as Royalty you must bend the knee and do as they say.

I broke up with her. She stopped taking her depression meds because life was so good she felt she could live without them, snapped, and then refused to get back on them.

[TylenolJones]

[benji]

You were were asked what you meant, a mere declaration of terms and definitions, and you couldn't answer. Now you deflect, quoting a man that represented a Constitutional Monarchy in itself all while saying there was never an example of good monarchy. You also use the books of the victors of Democracies and Republics, who have all the incentive to defame monarchies as history is written by the victors. Yet monarchies were used for thousands of years and arguably is our default political system as humans. Monarchy is good and better for society.

I didn't answer because it's irrelevant, I'm asking you to supply the better monarchies. Yeah, duh, I think Westerners in liberal democracy are better off in every way than every society in human history, that's not the radical claim that needs somebody to do the effort to prove since it's obvious. And I knew from the start you'd decry every measure for some personal hangup you have about everyone needing to obey a violently imposed moral authority.

It's what your complaints have always been, that's why you jump from authoritarian ideology to authoritarian ideology, only to be disappointed and have to jump to a new one because they always and forever fail since what they try to offer is impossible.

Now you're running to the typical reactionary/leftist claim that all of human history is just false propaganda and you know the real truth from peering in the soul of the universe. And the cosmic truth is absolute state control of everything. Boring. 

[Gamegirl Nostalgia]

y'all need to stop being haters. King Charles is the only ruler ordained by god to rightfully rule the west.

[benji]

y'all need to stop being haters. King Charles is the only ruler ordained by god to rightfully rule the west.

Knew you were all talk about the proven science.