Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[Jansen]

Alright, I'm not even laughing at this one. Report this bitch for threatening self harm if you have an account on BSky

[nachobro]

[QUOTE="Fat4all, post: 141364698, member: 906"]
i know about how Sabrina treats both sex and her relationship with men, and i can relate a lot as someone who is a ‘submissive’ and very outspoken on my own relationship with sex

your relationship with sex is that you've never had it and don't know shit, you fat loser shut the fuck up you are literally unfuckable

[Propagandhim]

I mean, hard leftists like excel advocate for collective solutions to most problems and adopt political messaging that consistently attributes outcomes to group membership rather than individual effort....but when it comes to the issue that young men find themselves struggling with, how to form and strengthen relationships, how to start a family, how to attract women, how to get out of depression caused by male-specific issue etc..all of a sudden they adopt a super right-wing stance that 'no one owes you that', 'invest in yourself first', 'women need to see value' 'of course your income, height, penis size, hair, etc matter, women see value in that and their needs need to be met...but please don't itemize women in the same way, that's sexist and patriarchal', etc.  It's not necessarily wrong, but it feels like this inconsistency comes from spite and hostility for men specifically, whereas when the right tells you to 'man up' and improve your value, it at least seems consistent with the rest of their messaging, so it doesn't feel spiteful.    Male psychology tends toward valuing individual agency, competition, and personal responsibility as pathways to achievement and when political messaging consistently attributes outcomes to group membership rather than individual effort (except when it comes to your personal relationships with the opposite sex), it conflicts with that very 'male' orientation.  The left either needs to drop the identity/group-based explanations for outcomes thing they do or explain systemic issues like income inequality in a way that doesn't alienate people who see individual agency and responsibility as a path to achievement - because that's a very male-brained thing.  And as we know from our wise trans elders, male and female brains are different.

[JoeBoy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-democrats-male-voter-problem.1215837/page-6#post-141376560

Reminder that a huge radicalizing event in America was this Australian team building video right

View:

This is the level of radicalization of men (against women) we're dealing with, but sure if we just stop saying patriarchy

log off, retard.

[Citation needed]

Who exactly was radicalized by this HR cringe session? Or because some rando you followed on Nazitter said something bad about it, you conflated that to being a major cultural shift?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

resetera just did two of those "reload page and redirect to sweepstakes" on me just now.

GG MOAB

[DavidCroquet]

I think the even bigger irony of "men need to fix this!" is that in every one of these threads, 90%* of the people posting are men. Men are (futilely) discussing with other men how the issue may be addressed: what the whiners are saying they want to happen is literally visibly happening directly in the thread!

*the actual figure is obviously 100%, but I'm just conceding the point for the purpose of argument.

[Alpacx]

resetera just did two of those "reload page and redirect to sweepstakes" on me just now.

GG MOAB

B-Dubs opened the scam floodgates and MoBa's going to squeeze every cent out of the dying website.

[books]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%9Ctime-to-lean-time-to-clean%E2%80%9D-and-other-bullshit-corporate-speak.1216182/

Ahh, I remember the days of corporate coming into our pharmacy and whining that the floor hadn't been vacuumed.

First of all, why are you in my fucking workspace?

Second of all, no one is going to see it so why are you on our collective genitals about it?

Third of all, it's 2 in the fucking afternoon and we have 400 prescriptions to get through. We'll vacuum at night. Fuck off.

 
"After the IPO launched and our subsidiary closed, they brought in McKinsey to conduct a comprehensive operational review and implement cost rationalization initiatives - 40% of the workforce reduction across non-revenue generating functions to compensate for our EBITDA margins and enhance portfolio value for the fund's IRR targets.  Dont you hate when that shit happens?"

Nepenthe: Yeah I totally get that!  And dey wanted me to pick up the m&ms in the middle of the day.  I was like "motherfucker, please.  the peanut ones are even bigger and harder to grab.  you dont wanna fuck with those. The pharmacist has to get through prescriptions and I gotta watch her do it!  I ain't cleaning this shit! i was like "uhh get the fuck out of our pharmacy" Right, fellas? ....fellas?

I believe Nep actually said "sure thing, boss"

There's like a 50% chance NepNep's boss is black since this is Atlanta so she probably mutters, "Uncle Tom" once his back is turned.

[killamajig]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ice-hsi-agents-in-la-involved-in-hit-and-run-after-ramming-a-car-with-us-citizen-occupants-deploying-chemical-munitions-and-detaining-at-gunpoint.1216059/

Burn it down. Loot, burn shit, who cares at this point. One inch. One fucking inch, and this wouldn't be happening.

Sure, make the protest be the excuse for that.

As someone who's actually down here, they don't want people doing that. They have been telling everyone to be peaceful. Leave it to Era to want the exact opposite thing of what's going on down here. Great forum, B-Dubs.

[Snoopy]

[DocWager]

Why is she covering her mosquito bites?

[Venice]

President Macron says France will ban social media access for under 15's if EU takes no action:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/macron-says-france-will-ban-social-media-access-for-under-15s-if-eu-takes-no-action.1216380/#post-141375429

Era's Number One Freak™ throws in his 2 cents:

What's being classified as social media here? Is this just for Twitter, Bluesky, Facebook etc or are we also counting forums (like this one), video services like YouTube, reddit, tumblr etc?

As I've said before, I don't think social is evil if properly moderated and not preying on their audience and I think a safe spaces for teens and kids online for them to discuss their feelings, find help, find people like themselves etc can be incredibly useful, especially for LGBTQ+ and Autistic kids (says one who likely wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for find a wonderful community online that helped through my darkest moments).

Also banning places like here and reddit would making getting help in video games for kids way harder. Or if we're going to count stuff like YouTube, that's going to fuck over a ton of creators that focus on media for kids... And the kids from being able to watch it.

Echos... the fact that you think social media, and especially Era, has somehow "helped you", and not turned you into the WLW, Pokemon-raping-fantasies, begging Capcom every week to 'Plz make Cammy a lesbian, plz, plz, plz, plz!' 40 year old lunatic that you are today...

Is the absolute PERFECT example of why kid's (and mentally retarded adults) need social media taken away from them


Edit: Some top of the page Sabrina Carpenter to wash out the foul taste of Echos:

Why is she covering her mosquito bites?

 

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mindseye-gets-the-cyberpunk-treatment-as-playstation-issues-refunds-sponsored-streams-for-the-game-were-also-cancelled-at-literally-the-last-second.1216488/

Praising of cyberpunk detected

[Jansen]

Why is she covering her mosquito bites?

itty bitty titty committee 

[DavidCroquet]

President Macron says France will ban social media access for under 15's if EU takes no action:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/macron-says-france-will-ban-social-media-access-for-under-15s-if-eu-takes-no-action.1216380/#post-141375429

Era's Number One Freak™ throws in his 2 cents:

What's being classified as social media here? Is this just for Twitter, Bluesky, Facebook etc or are we also counting forums (like this one), video services like YouTube, reddit, tumblr etc?

As I've said before, I don't think social is evil if properly moderated and not preying on their audience and I think a safe spaces for teens and kids online for them to discuss their feelings, find help, find people like themselves etc can be incredibly useful, especially for LGBTQ+ and Autistic kids (says one who likely wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for find a wonderful community online that helped through my darkest moments).

Also banning places like here and reddit would making getting help in video games for kids way harder. Or if we're going to count stuff like YouTube, that's going to fuck over a ton of creators that focus on media for kids... And the kids from being able to watch it.

Echos... the fact that you think social media, and especially Era, has somehow "helped you", and not turned you into the WLW, Pokemon-raping-fantasies, begging Capcom every week to 'Plz make Cammy a lesbian, plz, plz, plz, plz!' 40 year old lunatic that you are today...

Is the absolute PERFECT example of why kid's (and mentally retarded adults) need social media taken away from them.

Echoes is inching into twohearts territory. I give him ~6 months until Era quietly bans him for not being stealth enough.

[Besticus Maximus]

President Macron says France will ban social media access for under 15's if EU takes no action:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/macron-says-france-will-ban-social-media-access-for-under-15s-if-eu-takes-no-action.1216380/#post-141375429

Era's Number One Freak™ throws in his 2 cents:

What's being classified as social media here? Is this just for Twitter, Bluesky, Facebook etc or are we also counting forums (like this one), video services like YouTube, reddit, tumblr etc?

As I've said before, I don't think social is evil if properly moderated and not preying on their audience and I think a safe spaces for teens and kids online for them to discuss their feelings, find help, find people like themselves etc can be incredibly useful, especially for LGBTQ+ and Autistic kids (says one who likely wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for find a wonderful community online that helped through my darkest moments).

Also banning places like here and reddit would making getting help in video games for kids way harder. Or if we're going to count stuff like YouTube, that's going to fuck over a ton of creators that focus on media for kids... And the kids from being able to watch it.

Echos... the fact that you think social media, and especially Era, has somehow "helped you", and not turned you into the WLW, Pokemon-raping-fantasies, begging Capcom every week to 'Plz make Cammy a lesbian, plz, plz, plz, plz!' 40 year old lunatic that you are today...

Is the absolute PERFECT example of why kid's (and mentally retarded adults) need social media taken away from them.

Echoes is inching into twohearts territory. I give him ~6 months until Era quietly bans him for not being stealth enough.

I know benji's looked into it (concerning) but I am still of the opinion that echoes is two heats

[DavidCroquet]

Try as they might, the haters will NEVER stop RedBullCola from speaking The Truth!!! Here he is in the review thread (which he also made).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mindseye-the-review-thread-delayed-by-no-critic-review-copies.1216689/#post-141383262

I've finished the game. There is zero big twist.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

You find out there's aliens and you're involved, then you step into a portal and the credits roll. End of game.

After you finish the game it puts you into a free roam, where you cannot select your character or change clothes, and there's nothing to do. You play as this guy:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Amusingly there are posters in the thread who ask for more details about Don't Drink Dust guy, and RedBullCola reiterates everything he said in that locked thread from yesterday. A few people are like "wow, that's awful/hilarious, I wish I had known about this!".

Sorry guys, Transistor said I couldn't tell you, for reasons.

[DocWager]

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President Macron says France will ban social media access for under 15's if EU takes no action:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/macron-says-france-will-ban-social-media-access-for-under-15s-if-eu-takes-no-action.1216380/#post-141375429

Era's Number One Freak™ throws in his 2 cents:

What's being classified as social media here? Is this just for Twitter, Bluesky, Facebook etc or are we also counting forums (like this one), video services like YouTube, reddit, tumblr etc?

As I've said before, I don't think social is evil if properly moderated and not preying on their audience and I think a safe spaces for teens and kids online for them to discuss their feelings, find help, find people like themselves etc can be incredibly useful, especially for LGBTQ+ and Autistic kids (says one who likely wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for find a wonderful community online that helped through my darkest moments).

Also banning places like here and reddit would making getting help in video games for kids way harder. Or if we're going to count stuff like YouTube, that's going to fuck over a ton of creators that focus on media for kids... And the kids from being able to watch it.

Echos... the fact that you think social media, and especially Era, has somehow "helped you", and not turned you into the WLW, Pokemon-raping-fantasies, begging Capcom every week to 'Plz make Cammy a lesbian, plz, plz, plz, plz!' 40 year old lunatic that you are today...

Is the absolute PERFECT example of why kid's (and mentally retarded adults) need social media taken away from them.

Echoes is inching into twohearts territory. I give him ~6 months until Era quietly bans him for not being stealth enough.

TwoHearts went to a psych ward. Are we sure he didn’t return as Echoes?

[Straight Edge]

The mindseye thread on Neogaf is a hoot. There are 2 posters going hard in the paint to support this game like their lives depended on it.

[simiansmarts]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-democrats-male-voter-problem.1215837/page-6#post-141376560

Reminder that a huge radicalizing event in America was this Australian team building video right

View:

This is the level of radicalization of men (against women) we're dealing with, but sure if we just stop saying patriarchy

log off, retard.

Social media is not real life.  
 
Of course twitter freaks got radicalized by this innocent tiktok video of ladies dancing because they're twitter freaks, anything sets them off just like RE users when they see a female videogame character showing too much skin. 

[D3RANG3D]

Has potato apologized for that video yet?

[Jansen]

Try as they might, the haters will NEVER stop RedBullCola from speaking The Truth!!! Here he is in the review thread (which he also made).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mindseye-the-review-thread-delayed-by-no-critic-review-copies.1216689/#post-141383262

I've finished the game. There is zero big twist.

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

You find out there's aliens and you're involved, then you step into a portal and the credits roll. End of game.

After you finish the game it puts you into a free roam, where you cannot select your character or change clothes, and there's nothing to do. You play as this guy:

Spoiler:  (click to show)(click to hide)

Amusingly there are posters in the thread who ask for more details about Don't Drink Dust guy, and RedBullCola reiterates everything he said in that locked thread from yesterday. A few people are like "wow, that's awful/hilarious, I wish I had known about this!".

Sorry guys, Transistor said I couldn't tell you, for reasons.

There's something fishy about Redbullcola and mindseye

[HaughtyFrank]

Swear to god, if this album cover is eliciting this reaction, Madonna's regular antics would have completely burned people's brains to the ground.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sabrina-carpenter-announces-7th-album-mans-best-friend-out-august-29-new-single-manchild-out-now.1215972/post-141388662

Funny, make a post like this about a videogame and you get a 1 month ban

[Jansen]

Oh boy....ok. This is getting annoying. This page espesh. 

Many men here (even if not just) not getting this is the least surprising thing ever.
In fact I looove how often they're all for female empowerment especially when it's sexual. 🙄 I don't get why people are surprised when some are kinda sick of it. It's so bloody common. Like women LOVE sex, but the amount of times and the ways it's used isn't often to serve a female gaze or interests.

Like being sexy for pop is one of the oldest tricks in the book, being sexy and controversial doubly so. Having a popular singer you want to like and respect make "I like sex" her whole schtick is tiring and even a little boring, especially when her music is more cheeky and fun.

But let's ignore that women are still frequently harassed for being women. That their reproduction rights aren't often debated. That silly ass trad wives aren't popular. That rape and gang rape aren't rampant in parts of the world. That this is a gaming forum where the constant abuse of female creators and characters is often a thing (people decry Mortal Kombat is no longer sexy, that TLOU2 Abby has big muscles and is 'ugly' for it, or Blizzard employees let go for harassment, female streamers dealing with thirst men on the reg)...That OF and porn (for the good they do also) create unintentional harmful views of sex and play (instances of choking without consent on the rise). That AI deepfakes are largely targeting women (or worse, girls). Oh and hair pulling is absolutely one of those things that requires consent (a lot of people won't like it, many don't know how to do it right), and consent is still an issue seemingly going over a lot of men's heads... So a poster of it with such dubious imagery just wasn't a great direction, the "dog" angle especially can be seen as easily condescending if you don't vibe with that.

If women (and even men) have an issue with what's being depicted it's not because of "puritan views" and prudishness.... I think it's more because women are more used to being disrespected and see it as the norm and Sabrina's image often just feeding into that for the sake of cheap thrills. 🫠 cool, another one. Another day for women in tiny outfits, and men getting by in some of the most normal ass looking photoshoots (like the guy on the cover here).

Again, there were a million ways to do a sexy cover. Many artists just tend to do it solo (see Halsey the page before). And yeah not many get the idea of pet play, or have it lost on a kink they don't kink with. But again, nothing helpful that you're trying to tell a lot of women what's "ok" here. If they don't find it comfortable then that's their own perogative, if you do it's probably because you've been fed this kind of highly sexualized imagery your whole life...!! 😒 And it works and it sells and then it reifies why it exists and makes it harder to resist or get weird knee jerk reaction from people saying FOR other people that "there's nothing wrong with this, YOU are the problem". Like Naw, some just don't like the subtext and see it condescending in a world that often condescends them.

I could do without ever seeing a fully dressed man and a half dressed (or less) naked woman being paired together (still happens in games ever other day) . But I know that ain't gonna happen. And often this sex=empowering narrative really exists only for lifting women (how convenient!). Meanwhile real women deal with stalkers, men who can't hear "no", a bunch of online influencers recently getting stabbed and killed for turning men down. Even movies frequently focus on female bodies and pleasure.
So this cover caters to consensual play.... Like...why though? What does she get out of it here? Most of her fans are women, and her lyrics aren't really in line with the vibe here.

Ok. So let's just say this cover is purely satirical ... The amount of people raising an eyebrow to it I think might suggest the joke didn't totally land. You don't have to look far to find a sexy cover. You DO, however, have to search far and wide for men doing the same (and fewer will be popular for it). The fact it can be done in good and poor taste shouldn't even be surprising or unexpected. There, that's the art, it's being debated. Yay, the cover wins. 🎨🎭 Another sex sells angle... Truly ground breaking.

But man ALLL THE DEBATE for empowering sexy women in sexually driven imagery. Not other actual issues. not other artists trying to avoid that (even under direct pressure to do that).


Hair extensio
ns

[Jansen]

B-Dubs you're making REAL VAGINA HAVERS FEEL UNSAFE

[simiansmarts]

Why is she covering her mosquito bites?

itty bitty titty committee 

itty bitty titties and a bob 
itty bitty titties and a bob

[DocWager]

President Macron says France will ban social media access for under 15's if EU takes no action:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/macron-says-france-will-ban-social-media-access-for-under-15s-if-eu-takes-no-action.1216380/#post-141375429

Era's Number One Freak™ throws in his 2 cents:

What's being classified as social media here? Is this just for Twitter, Bluesky, Facebook etc or are we also counting forums (like this one), video services like YouTube, reddit, tumblr etc?

As I've said before, I don't think social is evil if properly moderated and not preying on their audience and I think a safe spaces for teens and kids online for them to discuss their feelings, find help, find people like themselves etc can be incredibly useful, especially for LGBTQ+ and Autistic kids (says one who likely wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for find a wonderful community online that helped through my darkest moments).

Also banning places like here and reddit would making getting help in video games for kids way harder. Or if we're going to count stuff like YouTube, that's going to fuck over a ton of creators that focus on media for kids... And the kids from being able to watch it.

Echos... the fact that you think social media, and especially Era, has somehow "helped you", and not turned you into the WLW, Pokemon-raping-fantasies, begging Capcom every week to 'Plz make Cammy a lesbian, plz, plz, plz, plz!' 40 year old lunatic that you are today...

Is the absolute PERFECT example of why kid's (and mentally retarded adults) need social media taken away from them


Edit: Some top of the page Sabrina Carpenter to wash out the foul taste of Echos:

Why is she covering her mosquito bites?

 

She’s doing the Fat4All push up.

[JoeBoy101]

Oh boy....ok. This is getting annoying. This page espesh. 

Many men here (even if not just) not getting this is the least surprising thing ever.
In fact I looove how often they're all for female empowerment especially when it's sexual. 🙄 I don't get why people are surprised when some are kinda sick of it. It's so bloody common. Like women LOVE sex, but the amount of times and the ways it's used isn't often to serve a female gaze or interests.

Like being sexy for pop is one of the oldest tricks in the book, being sexy and controversial doubly so. Having a popular singer you want to like and respect make "I like sex" her whole schtick is tiring and even a little boring, especially when her music is more cheeky and fun.

But let's ignore that women are still frequently harassed for being women. That their reproduction rights aren't often debated. That silly ass trad wives aren't popular. That rape and gang rape aren't rampant in parts of the world. That this is a gaming forum where the constant abuse of female creators and characters is often a thing (people decry Mortal Kombat is no longer sexy, that TLOU2 Abby has big muscles and is 'ugly' for it, or Blizzard employees let go for harassment, female streamers dealing with thirst men on the reg)...That OF and porn (for the good they do also) create unintentional harmful views of sex and play (instances of choking without consent on the rise). That AI deepfakes are largely targeting women (or worse, girls). Oh and hair pulling is absolutely one of those things that requires consent (a lot of people won't like it, many don't know how to do it right), and consent is still an issue seemingly going over a lot of men's heads... So a poster of it with such dubious imagery just wasn't a great direction, the "dog" angle especially can be seen as easily condescending if you don't vibe with that.

If women (and even men) have an issue with what's being depicted it's not because of "puritan views" and prudishness.... I think it's more because women are more used to being disrespected and see it as the norm and Sabrina's image often just feeding into that for the sake of cheap thrills. 🫠 cool, another one. Another day for women in tiny outfits, and men getting by in some of the most normal ass looking photoshoots (like the guy on the cover here).

Again, there were a million ways to do a sexy cover. Many artists just tend to do it solo (see Halsey the page before). And yeah not many get the idea of pet play, or have it lost on a kink they don't kink with. But again, nothing helpful that you're trying to tell a lot of women what's "ok" here. If they don't find it comfortable then that's their own perogative, if you do it's probably because you've been fed this kind of highly sexualized imagery your whole life...!! 😒 And it works and it sells and then it reifies why it exists and makes it harder to resist or get weird knee jerk reaction from people saying FOR other people that "there's nothing wrong with this, YOU are the problem". Like Naw, some just don't like the subtext and see it condescending in a world that often condescends them.

I could do without ever seeing a fully dressed man and a half dressed (or less) naked woman being paired together (still happens in games ever other day) . But I know that ain't gonna happen. And often this sex=empowering narrative really exists only for lifting women (how convenient!). Meanwhile real women deal with stalkers, men who can't hear "no", a bunch of online influencers recently getting stabbed and killed for turning men down. Even movies frequently focus on female bodies and pleasure.
So this cover caters to consensual play.... Like...why though? What does she get out of it here? Most of her fans are women, and her lyrics aren't really in line with the vibe here.

Ok. So let's just say this cover is purely satirical ... The amount of people raising an eyebrow to it I think might suggest the joke didn't totally land. You don't have to look far to find a sexy cover. You DO, however, have to search far and wide for men doing the same (and fewer will be popular for it). The fact it can be done in good and poor taste shouldn't even be surprising or unexpected. There, that's the art, it's being debated. Yay, the cover wins. 🎨🎭 Another sex sells angle... Truly ground breaking.

But man ALLL THE DEBATE for empowering sexy women in sexually driven imagery. Not other actual issues. not other artists trying to avoid that (even under direct pressure to do that).


Hair extensio
ns

From that ERA thread, of all places:



Even the forum members know how ridiculous the Burka Brigade is there.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

So dice doesn't understand subversion.

[benji]

Why do supposed anti-capitalists care about "intellectual property"? Shouldn't you be pirating everything and abusing ai if you want to enjoy the fruits of capitalism without supporting genocide or whatever? it's what I do.

It's really one of my top favorite things. Like my "compromise" position on IP is 10 years, no renewals, value of any damages set to $1. They probably haven't even read any theory to understand how a property rights capitalist hardliner like myself thinks there should be no IP protection at all.

Meanwhile, the idiots over there can't even keep track of the difference between copyright, patents and trademark while lecturing people that it's illegal to draw your own art of copyrighted figures. While cheering on the worst corporations to invent perpetual IP and outright arguing that we should destroy Google rather than allow it to display images of Shrek when you search for Shrek. They love their corporate conglomerates and their giant IP vaults that much. Absolute fucking lunatics.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-democrats-male-voter-problem.1215837/page-6

Why is it that women have to walk this line to not alienate men

But men can say or do whatever they want, alienate as many women as they wish.

Incels? Fundamentally presented as the manifestation and victimization of/by the tragic loneliness of men/boys, and it's up to us to save them

This is fundamentally the core problem with this conversation everytime it comes up

It inevitably comes back to holding women responsible

Men don't need to change each other

Women need to change their behaviors, their language, to change men

It always comes back to women's movements are responsible for fixing men, that women need to fight for men but men shouldn't be expected to fight for women because that expectation is alienating. One for all and all for men.

Or men could just declare they're women, so automatically exempt from the criticism that hits too close to home, and start ordering other men around while dismissing their concerns. Then go on to talk about how depressed they are, how many mental illnesses they have, how they've lost all their loved ones, are being genocided by everything, etc. All while demanding that women need to change their BEHAVIORS and their LANGUAGE so men don't get upset.

Or maybe we could stop organizing our politics as a conflict of extreme group interests making irreconcilable demands and attempting to live at the expense of everyone else.