Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 1)

[benji]

wow, I was sure AliceAmber was trans as hell. 

Their porn is (or was) not hard to find on the internet. It was shot by moderator demoismasque. They may have been married at one time. Neither relationship has been disclosed to the community.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/jschreier-what-went-wrong-with-dragon-age-the-veilguard-after-ten-years-of-turbulence-it-was-a-miracle-that-anything-came-out-at-all.1215486/#post-141331287

 User banned (1 week): inappropriate commentary

At this stage I want Bioware to be shutdown, with the caveat that the employees are transferred to other companies within EA or given a hefty severance package (ha, as if!)

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-do-ghost-of-tsushima-yotei-look-like-japanese-set-games-and-ac-shadows-look-like-ubisoft-the-game-in-japan.1214034/

  User banned (1 week): Making multiple bait / troll threads. Threadmaking privileges revoked.

I've been playing AC Shadows for the past few days and I can't help but notice how this game has an extremely mediocre narrative, the best things happen after 30 hours of gameplay, but its biggest problem for me is the total lack of "Environmental Vibe", thinking a little more about this I noticed that it's been happening with most of Ubi's open world games recently because I can tolerate mediocre and below average side quests, I can tolerate a story that doesn't get going until 20 to 30 hours of gameplay but I can't stand a game that doesn't have a "vibe" and AC Shadows/Valhalla/Odyssey totally lack that because they're full of useless content and filler beyond what's necessary.

[benji]

wow, I was sure AliceAmber was trans as hell. 

Their porn is (or was) not hard to find on the internet. It was shot by moderator demoismasque. They may have been married at one time. Neither relationship has been disclosed to the community.

FACT CHECK:

Some of you know me well enough to know that Erotic photography is something I enjoy making (not porn there is a difference).  My fiancee is a minor alt/fetish model who has done photoshoots for Horror Chix (now defunct), Spooky Girls, Whipsmarts Inc and Ink & Pink.

The site isn’t fully open yet but I decided I’d post a link to it here (and it will go in my permanent links too)  It’s called Alice Malice’s Wonderland and it will contain alt, cosplay and fetish photography of an erotic type.  I do all the photography except in a few rare exceptions (we are thinking of letting some of the girls who were on Horror Chix get their pictures up there too since the site is dead and they gave all the pictures back) so it’s a great outlet for both of us.

That being said, it’s going too be a membership site with one set of free pictures/content a month.  The cost of the site is going to be $10 a month which is extremly low for this sort of thing.

Anyways just an FYI for all of you out there who wants to see a cute gamer girl dress up like American McGee’s alice and strip down to nothing.

Alice Malice was the name she went by.

[Nintex]

It's kind of funny how with her new album Sabrina Carpenter has illustrated the current catch 22 that the feminist women find themselves in.

They want to be demeaning to most men: "manchild" and at the same time think being the 4th slut that crawls for chad this week is empowering.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-democrats-male-voter-problem.1215837/#post-141344127

 User Banned (3 Days): Trolling

I feel like it's actually easier to just call men a lost cause and try appealing more directly to suburban women. A lot of promise there for Democrats, while men just... don't even want to listen to reason or ever change

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-democrats-male-voter-problem.1215837/page-2#post-141346047

 User Banned (3 Days): Trolling

found one of the DNC heads

[Jansen]

Ana Valens has deleted their Bluesky too: https://bsky.app/profile/acvalens.net

They did investigative work and hard-hitting reporting?

Don't worry, they're back:


And they have a plan:






Sign the pledge today: https://nsfw.substack.com/p/the-virtual-persona-pledge

And from right before they deactivated, an explanation for why they moved away from SERIOUS JOURNALISM, the lack of support in the industry for women journalists:

Doesn't this thing IRL look like they came off of the Deliverance set

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rog-xbox-ally-and-ally-x-announced-releasing-holiday-2025-silksong-available-at-launch.1211883/page-4#post-141187116

 User banned (permanent): Dismissing concerns of genocide

Sucks, because I love my Ally and I'd be down for a more powerful one with Xbox controller inspired handles.

But you know, Microsoft is killing civilians and I just can't really reconcile that.

Sorry my apologies for thinking we was talking about ASUS ally X in a Rog Ally thread….system looks cool.:

[DavidCroquet]

[Jonsey]

Until Sabrina carpenter shows her asshole in a photo op for a magazine then the feminist haven’t won. That’s true equality

[benji]

Moderator demoismasque proposed to Administrator AliceAmber at Disney because of course:

[nachobro]

that substack link lead me to https://substack.com/home/post/p-153904823

a long ass essay about "no one wants to fuck me and why thats everyone else's problem". it always comes back to this

[benji]

As a Versona / VSona, I pledge to:
1. Create content that does not promote bigotry, including (but not limited to) racism, colorism, transphobia, misogyny, ableism, and whorephobia

2. Foster a community that is welcoming to marginalized viewers across races, genders, sexualities, classes, disabilities, religions, cultures, and various other walks of life

3. Treat my colleagues in the way I would like to be treated. If I have a disagreement with another, I will engage in good faith dialogue and honest communication. If our differences are unresolvable, I will refrain from gossip, rumor-spreading, sabotage, and other harmful behaviors

4. Moderate my community to the best of my ability. As a creator, I understand that I set the tone and standard for my fans. Viewers who express bigotry will not be tolerated. Fans who harass others on my behalf will be shown the door

5. Demonstrate healthy boundaries between myself and my fans. Parasocial relationships are normal in content creation, but I will create and maintain healthy boundaries with my audience. I will not encourage fans to obsess over me to the detriment of their mental health nor financial stability. I will inform myself of authoritarian cult behavior to protect myself, my fans, and others from manipulation

6. Protect minors from harm. If my streams involve mature, explicit, or otherwise sexual content, underage viewers will be banned. There will be clear, obvious, and unavoidable indicators that my content is 18+ only. If I am a lewdtuber, my Discord server will engage in age verification measures

7. Respect creators who walk a different path than my own. I will respect difference of religion. I will respect cultural differences. I will respect different content creation paths other than my own. If I am a SFW creator, I will not stigmatize nor disparage NSFW creators. I respect sex work as work, even if it is not the job for me

8. Listen to criticism from marginalized viewers and creators with compassion. I understand that no one is perfect, and if I struggle or make mistakes, I will make a good faith effort to understand marginalized viewers’ point of view

I invite others who use virtual avatars to hold themselves to a higher set of standards, ones that are not being met by certain parts of the contemporary ENVTubing community.

I think I should put this in the OP of Issue 2.

[Orange Juice Box]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ny-judge-dismisses-justin-baldonis-400m-defamation-lawsuit-against-blake-lively.1213839/#post-141249555

 User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying accusations of sexual harassment and retaliation over a series of posts; History of trolling around abuse

Her and her team saw what happened to Amber Heard (who did release her medical records because of the emotional distress) and said hell no. Understandable.

Amber Heard never released her medical records.

The reason why is because Baldoni ran an exhaustive PR campaign to destroy her.

It's part of the lawsuit.

Which was literally never proven. That's what the trial is there for.

Era supports Amber Heard now?  I wonder when that happened. I guess it's not hard to figure out.  Johnny Depp stopped making Disney movies so he can be dismissed.

[DavidCroquet]

wow, huge romantic energy coming off that photo and caption.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rog-xbox-ally-and-ally-x-announced-releasing-holiday-2025-silksong-available-at-launch.1211883/page-4#post-141187116

 User banned (permanent): Dismissing concerns of genocide

Sucks, because I love my Ally and I'd be down for a more powerful one with Xbox controller inspired handles.

But you know, Microsoft is killing civilians and I just can't really reconcile that.

Sorry my apologies for thinking we was talking about ASUS ally X in a Rog Ally thread….system looks cool.:

Microsoft isn’t killing civilians. They are enabling the killing of terrorists and civilians, and it sounds they did before the Xbox One was released.

[benji]

Era supports Amber Heard now?  I wonder when that happened. I guess it's not hard to figure out.  Johnny Depp stopped making Disney movies so he can be dismissed.

They had a thread last year where the issue was briefly relitigated, the prominent members always supported Heard but the staff made that position bannable, they were all smart enough not to post about it in the trial thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/f-d-signifier-how-did-we-let-johnny-depp-get-away-with-this.1009260/

Quoting a post of mine from the first thread since it has a bunch of quotes in it:

That Deep thread is interesting because the STAFF MANDATED CORRECT VIEW is what a bunch of people are complaining about in this one.

The reactions to this trial/case, both here and on the internet in general, were always so fucking bizarre.

I had to ignore the threads

The thing that always sticks out at me was, ahead of the rulings being passed down, there were people complaining about how Depp losing and Heard winning would bring out a whole bunch of low postcount trolls to mock people for daring to support Depp.

...and yet if you paid any attention to the people with the most posts in those threads, there were some accounts that basically only ever existed to post in those threads and specifically guided some of the most fervent discussion for Depp and against Heard. Some of the people here really got taken in by trolls.

yeah i think it's about time we had a reckoning with how this case was followed and commented on by outside observers. a lot of the internet became a hostile echo chamber on this subject

I mean, this has been discussed many times by many people, so it's not like this is the first time anyone will see a video about it :/ like it's been time for a LOOOOOOONG time. But the discussions about it on this forum have never turned out well. This conversation is not new... and the patterns of who goes unheard are anything but surprising.

One of two threadbans I've had here was because Jeff Grubb was critical of Johnny Depp and I agreed with him. It was a toxic conversation big time.

I totally deserved the threadban btw

it was really weird yeah
kinda made me avoid era for a while

Yea I don't really understand the seeming shift here on Era (I know outside of here was a complete mess)

Lots of intentionally toxic misogynists or people dealing with their own unresolved abuse on this topic, even now you see this pop up here and there when talking about Heard's or Depps work in the pipeline.

The ruling may have been correct, but as others in this thread have said, I really can't stress how much pro-Depp-propganda was all over this forum after the ruling and how much it left a bad taste in my mouth.

My opinion on the case is the same as it was two years ago: Both Depp and Heard are toxic people and the circus around that trial and the way it was framed as a watershed moment for male abuse victims never sit right with me then and it still doesn't now. They're both abusers. It's hard for me to be thrilled about an abuser winning a case against another abuser, and the way people were cheering about it to the point where the original OP on the verdict had a title like "Depp Proven Innocent, Let's All Celebrate With the hashtag #ThankYouJohnnyDepp" or something similar just really didn't feel appropriate to me.

The fervor for Depp on Era at the time really made me upset, so I hope this goes better. The "she's no angel" line sucks too; he clearly had the balance of power in the relationship and in the public eye, and he wielded it against her with malice.

Also:

Not to most no. The level of attachment people had to that trial was fucking absurd.

It didn't even set a legal precedent.

Literally NOTHING materially changed.

Amber Heard setting women's rights back allowing for a whataboutism retort to domestic violence. Also Depp is an awful person clearly.

She didn't set anything back because American culture was never primed to give a fuck about women.

That's what some of y'all aren't understanding.

This trial did not actually matter.

Yeah but that's the thing.

This case does not get play unless Johnny Depp is a rich white man and his abuser is a pretty, blonde-haired white woman, the most sympathetic type of person within a white Western context. It became high profile because of these factors, not in spite of them.

So the takeaway that people came away with wasn't actually "men can be victims of abuse and we should take their claims seriously," because if that was the case, then there were already millions of stories and systemic issues at play right now, such as our carceral system, that could have been the catalyst for people to finally start giving a shit.

People cared because it played into their personal biases and reactionary tendencies. It wasn't as important to prove that Depp was a victim of abuse, so much as it was more important to prove that a pretty, blonde-haired white woman had the potential to be an abuser too. And even then, that wasn't even as revelatory if you were non-white. Like, white women were also at the head of plantations; we've been known what y'all are capable of.

So who was the outcome FOR, exactly? WHY was it important? Again, there was no legal precedent actually set by this. Victims of abuse didn't actually gain anything.

You're not understanding that the trial never could have set any precedent, it was a regular ass defamation case.

It actually was important to prove that Depp was a victim of abuse because that's the only way he could win the case.

That isn't actually the takeaway that people came away with though. And we all know that.

Damn, i would have laugh to keep from crying

                     two staff members dismissing concerns? Speaking over victims?

Now, of course, we know that Depp should have simply gotten therapy.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/va-hayashibara-megumi-ayanami-rei-ranma-faye-valentine-went-on-kinda-xenophobic-rant-on-foreigners-taking-student-grants.1212990/#post-141218997

 User Banned (Permanent): Racist mockery, insensitive trolling across multiple threads; account in junior status

I was meaning specifically about people being rude. I feel like every other week I read some story about some dipshit American tourist disrespecting something of cultural significance.

Like last month multiple streamers were going to Japan to hang off the cherry blossom trees. Just insanely rude and disrespectful shit.

As long as no rice involved then it's ok with Megumi. Now if they were throwing rice around whilst hanging off cherry blossom trees, then Baka Gaijin!

[simiansmarts]

Moderator demoismasque proposed to Administrator AliceAmber at Disney because of course:

Hey, we saw you from across the bar and really dig your vibe. 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-myth-wukong-for-xbox-series-launches-august-20.1208967/page-7#post-141023853

 User banned (1 month): Extremely inflammatory comparison

im sorry did you say nukes?

Yes. Exclusives in this case are like nukes in this hypothetical. The world would be a better place if they all fucked off into the sun. But so long as someone else has the capacity to make them, you need them too, otherwise you are at the mercy of the person with them.

Classic prisoner's dillemma (although Nukes in the non hypothetical leads to MAD which is why they thankfully haven't been used).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/black-myth-wukong-for-xbox-series-launches-august-20.1208967/page-12#post-141050988

 User banned (permanent): Sinophobia. Racism.

I have no dog in this fight because it could go either way based on everything we know but this is a really weird take lol.

Do you have a particular reason to discount that consultant

I don't know who he is, but - from the description in the pasted images - looks unrelated to the project and his source of authority seems to be living in China.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/natethehate-resident-evil-9-will-be-revealed-this-week.1206189/page-5#post-141024615

 User banned (2 weeks): Antagonizing another member

WHO THE FUCK EVEN IS THIS PERSON

why do we hear literally all the biggest news from some random jackass

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/whats-up-with-pervy-stuff-in-anime.1213449/page-5#post-141275259

 User banned (2 weeks): Racist sentiment, inflammatory commentary across multiple threads

I want to say something but I think it will surely end up being racist so what I will say is there still seems to be a strong connection to high school that many mangaka just simply don't grow up out of. This stage has them in such a chokehold that the objectifying they did back in that time, hasn't translated into adult life into real life experiences and they continue to just breathe life into that stage of life through their art.

I really wanted to like Jobless and I was so into it until the Eris thing. I was fully out after that. It's borderline pedo shit and I cannot be convinced its not. It's like someone went out of there way to put and asterisk on the word pedo and made this anime...and I truly can't do it.

[books]

Quick Google search shows numerous people with the generic Alice Malice. You'd figure an edgy artist would have a more unique name.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-democrats-male-voter-problem.1215837/page-6

Oh bullshit

Patriarchy is fundamentally crucial element of feminism

You might as well suggest feminists fucked up by not calling themselves humanists

This is some All Lives Matter nonsense

Why is it that women have to walk this line to not alienate men

But men can say or do whatever they want, alienate as many women as they wish.

Incels? Fundamentally presented as the manifestation and victimization of/by the tragic loneliness of men/boys, and it's up to us to save them

This is fundamentally the core problem with this conversation everytime it comes up

It inevitably comes back to holding women responsible

Men don't need to change each other

Women need to change their behaviors, their language, to change men

It always comes back to women's movements are responsible for fixing men, that women need to fight for men but men shouldn't be expected to fight for women because that expectation is alienating. One for all and all for men.

And now I'm sure you'll respond to this by saying I'm proving your point or whatever the fuck as that is the usual way.

I love Jeff, Jeff's my favorite Nazi, but oh my god I had not read incelsiorlef's posts in the Sabrina Carpenter thread and yes the above quote is relevant:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/sabrina-carpenter-announces-7th-album-mans-best-friend-out-august-29-new-single-manchild-out-now.1215972

i know she's not. what i'm saying is the photo could be clearer about it and it's not.

Clearer about what, you literally have to assume like everything to think it's not an image expressing a consensual act.

If you know the album us not a yay sex slavery or yay sexual abuse album then you know the cover of said isn't an expression of sex slavery or abuse!

i think i was clear about that in my first post. regardless this just feels like pointless argumentation now so i'll leave this for now.

No this is a very pointful conversation because your rhetoric is fundamentally dangerous

You have suggested that a narrative image is depicting sexual assault/slavery because it lacks some undefined magic context that would make it clearly consensual

But there's no context to read it as non consensual because it's an album cover for a pop artist with the pop artist participating in the image, an artist with zero history of supporting sex slavery in her personal life or her art... which I remind you, you have conceded you are aware of these facts!

Ergo that's your context.

Your first post is not clear because you fundamentally make no argument except that you can't ascertain if the narrative of the image is consensual... because...

You are free to dislike this art, but to raise a moral panic that suggests it's actually depicting sexual assault/rape/sex slavery is fucking dangerous narrative to proliferate about a young woman

It's outrageous

That is stunning wow. Why is she getting so much hate online with this album and cover?

Misogyny from 1 direction, prudery from another, and whatever you want to name thinking the album cover represents sex slavery from a third

Lots of people have mentioned why the cover actually makes them uncomfortable. They've pointed out how the cover reminds them of Terry Richardson, why they doubt that it's satire or don't think it's successful if it is, why it's not about an aversion to sex. None of this matters to some of you despite pretending to address the critiques raised at this cover.

I suppose all the comments about people being prude or worse covers existing or moral panic are to make people feel bad, but it's hard to feel bad about critiquing the cover when so many of you are proudly wilfully obtuse, if not straight up just lecturing women on a version of feminism that should cater to you and has no concern or respect for how women might feel about issues that target them.

Terry Richardson doesn't own the copyright on this kind of image.

Nor did he event it.

I'm so glad women who are concerned about the reaction to the album cover are getting erased so that now it's suddenly only men think the aggressive reaction to this cover is concerning

Bsky has a ton of women expressing these exact concerns I am but hey!

Also fundamentally

These images are very little different from Betty Page bdsm work, the only different is the exact one floated earlier that it would be fine if she was submitting to a woman (Betty Page's submission photos are to other women)

Anywho it's still not an image of sex slavery

Like y'all need to understand there's only one person in charge of Sabrina's image and that's Sabrina

You think after a life of Disney controlled imaging she's giving that power away now... fucking please

And yet somehow this hasn't prevented people from seeing similarities to his take on this style of photograph and why they have an issue with being reminded of him specifically.

I can't fucking help that and neither can Sabrina

You are entitled to say I don't like this image but there's a clear moralizing against her that's just deeply unacceptable

That means people have the right to raise criticisms with the album if they see fit. If it doesn't bother you it doesn't bother you.

Correct you can say I don't like it!

No one fucking cares if you like it

That's not the conversation

If I said hypothetically this is for framing, if hypothetically I said your argument reminds me of my abusive ex (this is not real I do not have one) would it be fair for me to suggest you're argument is abusive in nature, and that you should have been more careful and that I hold you responsible?

Absolutely not because it's not and in this hypothetical that association is not your fault or problem and thus it is fundamentally unfair for me to make that criticism.

This conversation is far beyond dislike

Power to her.

More often than not I personally think it's tacky and vintage porn star isn't what I vibe with. I can accent that's a me thing though.
(Give me Chappell Roan, her drag queen lesbian aesthetic is way more fresh and still quite sexual).

You have to understand there's absolutely an undercurrent here that isn't I don't like this but thaf Sabrina is being irresponsible and damaging, outright there's been suggestions she hasn't made it clear enough that she isn't representing sex slavery, invocations of Terry Richardson to be used far beyond it reminds me of this so I don't like it.

You might not be prudish or moral panicking but others are here, far, wherever they are.

So what I see is fundamentally happening here is that women and their sexuality has been played up and taken advantage for SOOOO long that it is difficult to separate what's meant for men and marketing and what's a genuine expression of female sexuality and play.

Regardless, I think this a crappy cover example to stan for. The difference is pretty damn clear IMO. Sexuality and imagery can have a lot of nuance. And Halsey's use of it in safeword feels a lot more true and empowering than a girl on her knees getting her hair yoinked.

At the very least it's controversial by design, and people downplaying that people are uncomfortable with it are part of the problem many women face about how their sexuality is this exaggerated thing to be performed and costumed.
Again, this all happens on a level that men barely ever have to engage with.

I'm not telling you to like it

I'm telling you to not assume it's inauthentic and coerced

Also Halsey is queer and Carpenter is not and that is relevant

I'm not telling you to hate it, but you and other are telling the same by saying "don't be offended by it" FOR us. Like sorry, a lot of women go through too much shit to be totally neutral about how we're depicted sexually...often women ARE taken advantage for just that.

Also, elaborate on your last point, it feels like more needs to be said. Frankly, I "trust" a queer depiction of love WAY more than a heternormative one atm.

You literally assumed she's not in control of her own image

I'm also not saying don't be offended... but you can't just declare she's being coerced.

And like that's fine to trust a queer sexuality but like heterosexual women expressing theirs are inherently going to include men

From what I understand, you want me to question harm I could not have intended to inflict on a hypothetical other person. Does the discomfort and harm stop being valid because this hypothetical version of me didn't intend for it? Should I stop disliking a cover and voicing why because of what it reminds me of because Sabrina doesn't know about how I and others perceive it, especially when her reach and mine is so dramatically different?

I don't fucking care if you dislike it! I do care that you're suggesting she's personally responsible for making you think of Terry Richardson and the baggage that entails. Now if all you're saying is this reminds me of that so I don't like it fine, but your verbiage like "taking issue with being reminded of him specifically" suggests something beyond simple I don't like this.

And yes in my hypothetical in no way could you be actually responsible for causing me harm. My hypothetical reaction and feelings would be as valid as any trauma response would be but a projection back towards you or a suggestion that you harmed me wouldn't be.

We are entitled to our feelings we are not always entitled to hold others responsible for them

Now look if it comes out she was intentionally invoking Terry Richardson... new ballgame.

But that's why I specified he's not an innovator, absent other evidence she can't be held responsible for everyone's specific associations.

At current knowledge it's just untenable to suggest that she intended to personally remind you of Terry Richardson or that if she did by accident she's still responsible.

I used a hypothetical abusive scenario because Terry Richardson associations is inherently suggesting an abusive scenario and such insinuations should be made responsibly

Bluntly sometimes in some cases you are absolutely entitled to be offended while simultaneously the artist has no responsibility to avoid offending you

I absolutely believe such is this case given what information we currently have on Sabrina Carpenter

lol if you think optics aren't any part of marketing I dont know what to tell you.
There is no way most parts of a marketing team and photoshoot aren't a very very conscious decision. And a lot of people ain't goin' crazy for this one.

Honestly the core issue here is you're operating from the assumption that Sabrina Carpenter couldn't possibly be in control of her image , some men are and thus running your entire analysis through that lens

And look if years later news breaks out and you're right I'll dm ya and personally concede to you... absent that though it's unfair to assume no agency of Sabrina Carpenter

Well, if you think all of this is my problem, then you can just let me deal with it. We're not a monolith, like I said, so I don't have to make sure you like why I take issue to an album cover or check in with you and your hypothetical, the same way I don't need to accept the hypothetical reasons others have come up with to demean people who don't like this album.

Can't tell you how many times this isn't about like bur broader insinuations against Sabrina Carpenter

You dislike it fine but that's kinda where it reminds me of Terry Richardson analysis needs to end with current knowledge

Also like you say about monoliths not everyone who takes issue is taking issue for the same reason, there has been direct calls for pop stars to be desexualized in this thread which fits into a broader trend towards prudery which has started to call for desexualizing of cinema and etc... dessexualization and drifts to prudery are dangerous and should be addressed

They why are you confused?
I admitted it ain't my taste. And I don't care for knee jerk reactions to me saying it's cringe. 🤨

You quite literally declared that men made her do this!

I didn't. I said a team of marketers.... and a male gaze-fueled world.

Yeah you did

Yeah I think it's always her in control

Sure.

Do you also think no woman has ever been coerced to playing up their sex appeal for camera? C'mon lol. Ill even suggest that one happens way more than the other.

So what I see is fundamentally happening here is that women and their sexuality has been played up and taken advantage for SOOOO long that it is difficult to separate what's meant for men and marketing and what's a genuine expression of female sexuality and play.

lol sure. I like how you admit it's a problem in the industry but DEFINITELY NOT this case

And this isn't including all the posts where you blatantly suggest she might have agency but her fundamentally assumed male marketing team are really why this is happening

By the by

https://www.redlightmanagement.com/artists/sabrina-carpenter/ 2/3s of her management team are women for what it matters

Sabrina Carpenter is far far far closer to if not exactly to Taylor's Swift and Lady Gaga's level of personal authority on her art than more marketing created acts

You clearly place her agency below hypothetical men around her, sorry like you can't fundamentally redefine this conversation at this juncture

The reason I'm steadfast on this is Sabrina Carpenter isn't some mystery she's very very upfront about who she is, what she's interested in and why and what her art is and I think it's kinda fucked up to ignore that.

I've seen a lot of women say it's a tacky-ass cover too. So I guess we're divided! I'm over this since none of your quotes to snap at mine are anything I'd take back.

What conversation do you think we'd be having if all you suggested is the cover is tacky like come on

This is about your fundamental insistence that Sabrina Carpenter has limited to no agency in her art and is being forced or coerced into this... so uh congrats for not taking that back I suppose.

Anyway, Jeff:

I'm not really seeing it in this thread, but some of the responses on social media, as if they're shocked that she would do a cover like this, are very funny.

Like, did y'all not listen to some of the lyrics on the last album?

[Taco Bell Tower]

Moderator demoismasque proposed to Administrator AliceAmber at Disney because of course:

Five Nights shirt, we cancelled Scott Cawthon for being a Trumper.  Demod demoismasque, B-Dubs 

[benji]

                   dismissing concerns?

[DocWager]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rog-xbox-ally-and-ally-x-announced-releasing-holiday-2025-silksong-available-at-launch.1211883/page-4#post-141187116

 User banned (permanent): Dismissing concerns of genocide

Sucks, because I love my Ally and I'd be down for a more powerful one with Xbox controller inspired handles.

But you know, Microsoft is killing civilians and I just can't really reconcile that.

Sorry my apologies for thinking we was talking about ASUS ally X in a Rog Ally thread….system looks cool.:

Posters have so many alts just to snap back at nerds derailing.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/inside-the-battles-that-shattered-trump-and-musk%E2%80%99s-alliance.1211226/#post-141249402

 User Banned (Permanent): Bot

Musk explaining that his five year old punched him in the face, giving him the black eye, is 100% a knock against Bessent.

It also showed how fucking horrible our media is because not one reported asked Elon, "Why did you ask your five year old son to punch you in the face?"

I looked a lot into this matter since I find this sudden turn of events so fascinating. It made me take a step back and question if these guys really are so smart and have everything in control. I came to the conclusion that they are puppets themselves with little creativity and ad libing everything hoping it doesn't all crumble.

Now you might say yes I already know that, but do you want to find out that the falling out was not for the reasons told. The media is not reporting well because they can not control the narrative then. We have a 198Four situation going on that keeps most people in the dark. A more believable story is there was lies between the nasa nominmee and taco relationships. They have been in contact for a long time and even meet at the neutral grounds of taco properties to discuss important business. Why was this never reported on or brought up at anytime? A story over 15k pages long has the answers many are looking for to explain this.

[DavidCroquet]

regardless of the rest of the conversation, excel suggesting the Disney -> Poptart pipeline is anything other than cynical capitalism(!) at its most flagrant is one of the funniest thing in the threads.

Yes, the child muppets harvested by Disney just naturally (and publicly, via highly visible public personae) follow a predictable and traceable course dating back to Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake. It's just kids growing up and experimenting!

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/breaking-israeli-forces-intercept-madleen-flotilla-en-route-to-gaza-cut-off-comms.1212867/page-2#post-141209583

 User banned (Permanently): Racism

IDF full of disgusting rats

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