Journal of Other Forum Analysis (Volume II, Issue 2)

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-the-witcher-4-has-romance-options-do-you-think-its-inevitable-that-there-will-be-at-least-one-female-option.1279401/page-4#post-144300546

I'm sorry but I can not really reply to this when you have read my post and replied me this. It feels like I'm going in circles. I'm sorry. Again the same point, and the same point, and the same point, and the same point centering men in a conversation about lesbian characters and lesbian relationships. V is a playersexual character. Precisely because if I don't hit on anyone on W3 Geralt is not suddenly asexual, it doesn't mean that V, Kassandra or Aloy are lesbians. They are not. They are playersexual characters.



Ciri will be bisexual. And bisexual women who are into games will be happy. And the fact that maybe a stupid ass straight guy jerks off isn't the fault of Ciri being bisexual. It's the men's fault. Should I direct the conversation in regards to gay men with their presence on TV and fujoshis? How overwhelming the presence of BL content is in books, TV shows and movies all around the world while lesbian works get very little time and very little budget? Should I speak about Heartstopper? Is Heartstopper only for the fujoshis? Is it not really about gay teenagers? Is that the parallel line I should be writing about so that finally you guys get it? Are we going to keep on and on and on and on and on and on and on centering men men and more men when it comes to lesbianism on media? Because at no point has my post said "There should be no more representation of gay men in media". That was not the debate. That was not the point the quoted user was making.



Alright. I'm tired of speaking about this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-the-witcher-4-has-romance-options-do-you-think-its-inevitable-that-there-will-be-at-least-one-female-option.1279401/page-4#post-144294450

You know what, yeah. I'm going to ask for a ban soon so why not go all out. It's not the first time I post these exact points, but today has just been the day someone has ticked me off. First of all, you are not a lesbian, so I'd kindly ask you to keep the condescending tone down if you have any amount of actual respect for lesbians after what you have posted in this thread.







When you have a lesbian character, you cater to lesbians and bi people who are okay feeling represented by a lesbian character. Not straight men. Because she's a lesbian, and lesbian characters and people who define themselves as a lesbian are not just there for the existence of men, as you so kindly keep writing. In the case of Ciri, she's going to represent bi women, because she's a bi woman. She doesn't pander to male audiences.







LGBT inclusions are NOT concessions for straight male audiences. Whether straight male audiences enjoy the porn category described as Lesbian or Trans, our representation is not a concession for them. A gay guy on a fucking TV show is not a fucking concession to straight women who like gay fanfic: it's a fucking gay guy representing gay guys. A trans woman in a fucking videogame is not an appeal to goons who enjoy shacking their dick in their hand when they go to a porn site: it's a representation (hopefully good!) of a trans woman.





Have we? Let's do the list again, because again, I've already done this list so many times on this board that really seems to have a bone to pick with lesbians.



Lesbian characters in AAA games, with explicit confirmations that they are lesbian in the game, no playersexual characters:

Ellie, from The Last of Us (and The Last of Us II). It is explicitly shown in-game.

Sera, from Dragon Age: Inquisition. It is explicitly shown in-game.

I'm letting you think of more characters here.



Bi women characters in AAA games, with explicit confirmations that they are bi in the game, no playersexual characters:

Ciri, from The Witcher 3. It is explicitly shown in-game.

I'm letting you think of more characters here.









Isn't it a great thing to throw the "male-gaze" thing around when it comes to any scene with two women? Did you see the reactions to Ellie and Dina kissing in that trailer of TLOU II? Did you think that was male-gazey? Did you think the scene of Max and Chloe kissing in Life is Strange 1 was male-gazey? What about it called as something that was centered around how a straight man would look a woman? Was it the camera angles? What about in the letters of This Bed We Made, did any of their content feel to you like it was pandering to men? Does Liara T'Soni and Fem!Shep feel pandering to the male gaze to you?







Sure, it offends me. Because I am a lesbian. Because representation for any given minority doesn't mask anything else: it is and consists of representation of that minority. And I'm also refutting your points because I think you, and everyone else who has parroted this point of "Hey, sapphic women have a lot of representation on videogames" is actually just kind of lying anyway.



Snoop Dogg has just demonized sapphic representation on a movie.



Do you guys remember how straight men GOONED to the E3 2018 trailer of The Last of Us II when they showed Ellie and Dina dancing together? Because I don't. In fact what I remember was straight men hating the trailer. And it seems like I'm not too far off, because Hobbyconsolas did back in June 2018 a whole article about the disappointing reactions to the kiss. On IGN's post of the trailer back then you see some very nice comments about how they gooned off to them both. Adding some of them because according to you fetishization is representation (and not lesbophobia). Note that there's many of them that I can't add since it's been 8 years and they have been deleted for breaking terms of service, board rules, etc:







And I could go on and on but honestly I kind of just have enough homophobia crammed down my throat on this thread so I don't think I need to look for anything else anyway. I'd imagine the same kind of thing that happens in gaming happens on both TV and movies, since if there's something a straight man likes is a lesbian. Turns out GLAAD on their latest Where We Are on TV report for the 2023-2024 season says that in terms of overall queer gender representation gay men outnumber both lesbians and bi women both:





In their 2025 Studio Responsibility Index that looks at 250 movies from different 10 distributors that are released both theatrically and through streaming in 2024 gay men once again outnumber lesbians:







Note that they say "bisexual+ characters", without pointing at the gender in that category in specific.



You will likely, as many others keep doing here, keep pointing that straight men will feel pandered however I think it's pretty clear that they don't based on reactions to TLOU2 trailers (and the game itself), reactions to Life is Strange and the overall gamergatey attitude they have with AAA developers like Naughty Dog or Bioware. And even if those things hadn't happened, truth is, lesbian characters still do not pander to straight men. Straight men, entirely on their own, decide to fetishize lesbian and bisexual women. They do this by when you reveal you are in a relationship asking you whether you scissor or not, by masturbating to male-gazey lesbian porn (which does pander to them, and that is extremely different from all the cases that have been talked about in this thread) or by seeing lesbian relationships as a challenge in which a man isn't present and they need to insert themselves, which is an inherently rape fantasy.



This is once again, not something that happens with lesbian representation, because the lesbian representation is that: a character that happens to be a lesbian. That happens because of straight men and rape culture. It doesn't happen because Hey, Being A Lesbian Is Cool Now! Lesbophobia happens to be an intersectional type of hate, where the lesbian (or the perceived lesbian) is hated both by their condition of homosexual and also by the condition of being a not a man.



Straight men are NOT pandered by the existence of lesbian and bisexual women, and the data we have on lesbophobic violence shows it. SOS Homophobie recorded 268 cases of lesbophobic violence in France, quoting that "Sexualization always accompanies lesbophobic harassment". Switzerland reported around 150 cases of violence against women and 55 of them had specifically chosen to.



And it's posts like yours and from some other users here that honestly just kind of extend the myth of lesbian safety both in online spaces and ultimately in real life, because that's what representation is about.





Like for example this. Horizon has Aloy who is not even confirmed lesbian. Assassin's Creed most notable character is Ezio, whose romance with Sophia in Assassin's Creed Revelations takes a step forward in importance throughout the Act 2 and Act 3 of the game (having had previous a lover in Assassin's Creed 2), and where Kassandra and Eivor are both playersexual. The Last of Us has Ellie, which we have talked about, and same as Assassin's Creed, Cyberpunk is a game where you choose what you want to do, so you can be straight, as you would in Baldur's Gate 3.



All of these narratives that seem to be pushed because of the fact that Era is mostly men (including gay and bisexual men who can be misogynistic and lesbophobic) are ultimately just not true not just in the data, but in the experience of the queer women and non binary lesbians who end up playing games. And through that myth building we end up building other things, like for example the false notion that lesbians have more domestic violence cases in their relationships when the study that people always quote is about domestic violence victims perpetrated by men by bisexual women or lesbians who had not come out. So bit by bit, the myth builds, and we end up with false data, allegations, and just like in this thread, repeated sentences that no one has actually properly checked, but that justify the feeling of the straight heterosexual majority of this forum that enjoys having the chance of feeling oppressed. But it is likely that this post ends up as a worthless effort. It's not like ERA has ever taken this, or anything related to misogyny seriously.



Goodbye.

Goddamn that witcher 4 relationship thread got crazy

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-79-clasps-both-hands-in-desperate-bid-to-cover-up-bruises.1280079/

This is beyond pathetic. I hate Supreme TACO about as much as anybody else but who fucking cares about a bruise on his hand.

[Snoopy]

Maybe Echoes should make another thread about his favourite lesbians.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-lil-nas-x-charged-with-4-felonies-faces-years-in-prison.1280097/

Lil Nas X is now facing years in prison ... because the L.A. County District Attorney has charged him with 4 felonies ... including battery with injury on a police officer.

TMZ broke the story ... the "Old Town Road" rapper was naked on Ventura Blvd. in the San Fernando Valley when cops were called. They say when they confronted him, he charged the officers ... and presumably injured at least 3 of them -- hence the 3 felony charges.

Welp 

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-79-clasps-both-hands-in-desperate-bid-to-cover-up-bruises.1280079/

This is beyond pathetic. I hate Supreme TACO about as much as anybody else but who fucking cares about a bruise on his hand.

So why exactly is it harmful to armchair diagnose him with dementia but diagnosing with every other disease known to man is okay?

[jooseloose]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-the-witcher-4-has-romance-options-do-you-think-its-inevitable-that-there-will-be-at-least-one-female-option.1279401/page-4#post-144300546

I'm sorry but I can not really reply to this when you have read my post and replied me this. It feels like I'm going in circles. I'm sorry. Again the same point, and the same point, and the same point, and the same point centering men in a conversation about lesbian characters and lesbian relationships. V is a playersexual character. Precisely because if I don't hit on anyone on W3 Geralt is not suddenly asexual, it doesn't mean that V, Kassandra or Aloy are lesbians. They are not. They are playersexual characters.



Ciri will be bisexual. And bisexual women who are into games will be happy. And the fact that maybe a stupid ass straight guy jerks off isn't the fault of Ciri being bisexual. It's the men's fault. Should I direct the conversation in regards to gay men with their presence on TV and fujoshis? How overwhelming the presence of BL content is in books, TV shows and movies all around the world while lesbian works get very little time and very little budget? Should I speak about Heartstopper? Is Heartstopper only for the fujoshis? Is it not really about gay teenagers? Is that the parallel line I should be writing about so that finally you guys get it? Are we going to keep on and on and on and on and on and on and on centering men men and more men when it comes to lesbianism on media? Because at no point has my post said "There should be no more representation of gay men in media". That was not the debate. That was not the point the quoted user was making.



Alright. I'm tired of speaking about this.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-the-witcher-4-has-romance-options-do-you-think-its-inevitable-that-there-will-be-at-least-one-female-option.1279401/page-4#post-144294450

You know what, yeah. I'm going to ask for a ban soon so why not go all out. It's not the first time I post these exact points, but today has just been the day someone has ticked me off. First of all, you are not a lesbian, so I'd kindly ask you to keep the condescending tone down if you have any amount of actual respect for lesbians after what you have posted in this thread.







When you have a lesbian character, you cater to lesbians and bi people who are okay feeling represented by a lesbian character. Not straight men. Because she's a lesbian, and lesbian characters and people who define themselves as a lesbian are not just there for the existence of men, as you so kindly keep writing. In the case of Ciri, she's going to represent bi women, because she's a bi woman. She doesn't pander to male audiences.







LGBT inclusions are NOT concessions for straight male audiences. Whether straight male audiences enjoy the porn category described as Lesbian or Trans, our representation is not a concession for them. A gay guy on a fucking TV show is not a fucking concession to straight women who like gay fanfic: it's a fucking gay guy representing gay guys. A trans woman in a fucking videogame is not an appeal to goons who enjoy shacking their dick in their hand when they go to a porn site: it's a representation (hopefully good!) of a trans woman.





Have we? Let's do the list again, because again, I've already done this list so many times on this board that really seems to have a bone to pick with lesbians.



Lesbian characters in AAA games, with explicit confirmations that they are lesbian in the game, no playersexual characters:

Ellie, from The Last of Us (and The Last of Us II). It is explicitly shown in-game.

Sera, from Dragon Age: Inquisition. It is explicitly shown in-game.

I'm letting you think of more characters here.



Bi women characters in AAA games, with explicit confirmations that they are bi in the game, no playersexual characters:

Ciri, from The Witcher 3. It is explicitly shown in-game.

I'm letting you think of more characters here.









Isn't it a great thing to throw the "male-gaze" thing around when it comes to any scene with two women? Did you see the reactions to Ellie and Dina kissing in that trailer of TLOU II? Did you think that was male-gazey? Did you think the scene of Max and Chloe kissing in Life is Strange 1 was male-gazey? What about it called as something that was centered around how a straight man would look a woman? Was it the camera angles? What about in the letters of This Bed We Made, did any of their content feel to you like it was pandering to men? Does Liara T'Soni and Fem!Shep feel pandering to the male gaze to you?







Sure, it offends me. Because I am a lesbian. Because representation for any given minority doesn't mask anything else: it is and consists of representation of that minority. And I'm also refutting your points because I think you, and everyone else who has parroted this point of "Hey, sapphic women have a lot of representation on videogames" is actually just kind of lying anyway.



Snoop Dogg has just demonized sapphic representation on a movie.



Do you guys remember how straight men GOONED to the E3 2018 trailer of The Last of Us II when they showed Ellie and Dina dancing together? Because I don't. In fact what I remember was straight men hating the trailer. And it seems like I'm not too far off, because Hobbyconsolas did back in June 2018 a whole article about the disappointing reactions to the kiss. On IGN's post of the trailer back then you see some very nice comments about how they gooned off to them both. Adding some of them because according to you fetishization is representation (and not lesbophobia). Note that there's many of them that I can't add since it's been 8 years and they have been deleted for breaking terms of service, board rules, etc:







And I could go on and on but honestly I kind of just have enough homophobia crammed down my throat on this thread so I don't think I need to look for anything else anyway. I'd imagine the same kind of thing that happens in gaming happens on both TV and movies, since if there's something a straight man likes is a lesbian. Turns out GLAAD on their latest Where We Are on TV report for the 2023-2024 season says that in terms of overall queer gender representation gay men outnumber both lesbians and bi women both:





In their 2025 Studio Responsibility Index that looks at 250 movies from different 10 distributors that are released both theatrically and through streaming in 2024 gay men once again outnumber lesbians:







Note that they say "bisexual+ characters", without pointing at the gender in that category in specific.



You will likely, as many others keep doing here, keep pointing that straight men will feel pandered however I think it's pretty clear that they don't based on reactions to TLOU2 trailers (and the game itself), reactions to Life is Strange and the overall gamergatey attitude they have with AAA developers like Naughty Dog or Bioware. And even if those things hadn't happened, truth is, lesbian characters still do not pander to straight men. Straight men, entirely on their own, decide to fetishize lesbian and bisexual women. They do this by when you reveal you are in a relationship asking you whether you scissor or not, by masturbating to male-gazey lesbian porn (which does pander to them, and that is extremely different from all the cases that have been talked about in this thread) or by seeing lesbian relationships as a challenge in which a man isn't present and they need to insert themselves, which is an inherently rape fantasy.



This is once again, not something that happens with lesbian representation, because the lesbian representation is that: a character that happens to be a lesbian. That happens because of straight men and rape culture. It doesn't happen because Hey, Being A Lesbian Is Cool Now! Lesbophobia happens to be an intersectional type of hate, where the lesbian (or the perceived lesbian) is hated both by their condition of homosexual and also by the condition of being a not a man.



Straight men are NOT pandered by the existence of lesbian and bisexual women, and the data we have on lesbophobic violence shows it. SOS Homophobie recorded 268 cases of lesbophobic violence in France, quoting that "Sexualization always accompanies lesbophobic harassment". Switzerland reported around 150 cases of violence against women and 55 of them had specifically chosen to.



And it's posts like yours and from some other users here that honestly just kind of extend the myth of lesbian safety both in online spaces and ultimately in real life, because that's what representation is about.





Like for example this. Horizon has Aloy who is not even confirmed lesbian. Assassin's Creed most notable character is Ezio, whose romance with Sophia in Assassin's Creed Revelations takes a step forward in importance throughout the Act 2 and Act 3 of the game (having had previous a lover in Assassin's Creed 2), and where Kassandra and Eivor are both playersexual. The Last of Us has Ellie, which we have talked about, and same as Assassin's Creed, Cyberpunk is a game where you choose what you want to do, so you can be straight, as you would in Baldur's Gate 3.



All of these narratives that seem to be pushed because of the fact that Era is mostly men (including gay and bisexual men who can be misogynistic and lesbophobic) are ultimately just not true not just in the data, but in the experience of the queer women and non binary lesbians who end up playing games. And through that myth building we end up building other things, like for example the false notion that lesbians have more domestic violence cases in their relationships when the study that people always quote is about domestic violence victims perpetrated by men by bisexual women or lesbians who had not come out. So bit by bit, the myth builds, and we end up with false data, allegations, and just like in this thread, repeated sentences that no one has actually properly checked, but that justify the feeling of the straight heterosexual majority of this forum that enjoys having the chance of feeling oppressed. But it is likely that this post ends up as a worthless effort. It's not like ERA has ever taken this, or anything related to misogyny seriously.



Goodbye.

Goddamn that witcher 4 relationship thread got crazy

Holy shit she's having quite the meltdown in that thread 

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-the-witcher-4-has-romance-options-do-you-think-its-inevitable-that-there-will-be-at-least-one-female-option.1279401/page-4#post-144294450

Snoop Dogg has just demonized sapphic representation on a movie.

And just two months after Pride Month.

[HaughtyFrank]

Also from the witcher thread

CP there are as many straight options as lesbian

I wouldn't say that. It's basically an afterthought. Both male romantic interests (either for straight female V or gay male V) are, they are minor, one-note male NPCs, both are easily missable, and with zero impact on the main story. In comparison, Judy and Panam, the female love interests, are far more detailed and fleshed out as characters and their character stories tie directly into the game's main plot.

And that's not going over how regardless of how you choose to play V, the game still forces you to play some story segments as a straight male character (including a graphic first-person sex scene where he bangs a woman). There's also a really gross side-quest* where this same male character basically "takes control" of your V, and has V unwillingly perform sex acts on women.

* Said side-quest is mandatory to eventually unlock the gay male love interest, btw.

tl;dr CDPR sucks and cannot be trusted

Love that Morrigan still has a chip on her shoulder from there being a straight sex scene in Cyberpunk that's played from the man's perspective  

 "Oh no, the game that's all about someone taking over your body has a scene where someone takes over your body"

Shit traumatized her 

[Vertigo]

From that Lil Nas X thread

Among the people I'm gonna have empathy for cops are at the bottom of that fucking list.  ACAB forever and always.

Isn't it crazy that if I were to reply to that with a sensible reply, I'd be dogpiled and banned for at least a month.

The idea of ACAB is so ridiculous, I don't know how these people function in their day-to-day lives. Are all cops nice? Nope, some are shits, many are not

If you really push on these clods, they'll admit that not all cops are bastards, but it sounds cool to say.

The fun part is people who utter that phrase usually never have to worry about the cops ever really bothering them. Yet again, more fraud grandstanding.

[Greatness Gone]

Kerry and River were lame as fuck compared to Panam and Judy. Having male romances with actual effort behind them for Witcher 4 would be a breath of fresh air. Does every modern AAA game need the woman to be gay or bisexual? 

In fact, I thought Ree said forcing male players to experience romance from a straight woman's POV sticks it to chuds and disrupts the male gaze??? 

[benji]

The idea of ACAB is so ridiculous, I don't know how these people function in their day-to-day lives. Are all cops nice? Nope, some are shits, many are not

If you really push on these clods, they'll admit that not all cops are bastards, but it sounds cool to say.

The fun part is people who utter that phrase usually never have to worry about the cops ever really bothering them. Yet again, more fraud grandstanding.

More importantly, this is said on a forum of cops who are constantly demanding more cops and more policing.

[Orange Juice Box]

If lil' Nas X is so rich why does he have a drug addiction and is assaulting cops?  No, sympathy from me.  He should pay for rehab and pay to clear his mind of mental issues and psychosis.  

Oh, nm.  I thought he was white.  The same as if he were a spree shooter I have to change my moral views on him.


I hope he gets help making his raps.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheEricAndreShow/comments/1fv8btb/little_nas_are_you_working_on_your_raps/

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-politics-2025-ot-taco-trump-and-the-big-beautiful-bullshit.1236576/page-35#post-144264537

The reality is Trump has lived an incredibly unhealthy life and it's a contest between that, and him being enmeshed in a massive machine designed to keep the president alive at any cost.

He could be around for some time to come, but in a nearly disabled state. A typical president might step down if it got to that point, for national security reasons if nothing else. But Trump is too valuable as a nearly mindless puppet occupying the seat.

It would be ironic if his handlers refuse to let him die or rest no matter how much he's suffering.

How would that be ironic?

Also, the only disabled President, a progressive considered by most to be one of the greatest due to increasing the power of the state and involving the country in a war, not only hid the disability and refused to step down but tried to run for a third term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Woodrow_Wilson#Incapacity,_1919%E2%80%931921

Notorious scumbag, people here in Mexico know.

[Boredfrom]

Kerry and River were lame as fuck compared to Panam and Judy. Having male romances with actual effort behind them for Witcher 4 would be a breath of fresh air. Does every modern AAA game need the woman to be gay or bisexual? 

In fact, I thought Ree said forcing male players to experience romance from a straight woman's POV sticks it to chuds and disrupts the male gaze??? 

Welp, that is an opinion.

[HaughtyFrank]

From that Lil Nas X thread

Among the people I'm gonna have empathy for cops are at the bottom of that fucking list.  ACAB forever and always.

Isn't it crazy that if I were to reply to that with a sensible reply, I'd be dogpiled and banned for at least a month.

The idea of ACAB is so ridiculous, I don't know how these people function in their day-to-day lives. Are all cops nice? Nope, some are shits, many are not

If you really push on these clods, they'll admit that not all cops are bastards, but it sounds cool to say.

The fun part is people who utter that phrase usually never have to worry about the cops ever really bothering them. Yet again, more fraud grandstanding.

Going by everything RE has told me they should be really confused why the cops didn't shoot a gay black man on sight. Isn't that what they do all day? Instead they even wrestled with him and he's unharmed?

[Venice]

Oh wow, the 'Is 2025 the best year Game Pass has ever had?' continues to be the gift that keeps on giving

Lots and lots of reeeeeeeing about how subscribing to Game Pass contributes directly to Gaza genocide, but this is the best one of the lot. 

It's literally the 'curious' meme 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-2025-the-best-year-game-pass-has-ever-had.1279284/page-3#post-144309609

I've been looking for a way to say the same thing, but haven't been able too. It's posts like the one you responded to that condition people to ignore that situation which is worse than just giving people the information and letting them decide for themselves.

Also this has been the most impressive year for gamepass to me.

Interesting. So you have all of the information and decided to continue to support genocide.

[kaleidoscopium]

How are you in the BDS thread saying you wont support Microsoft any longer and then posting a thread praising the same genocidal company?

Lmao wtf is this shit

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-2025-the-best-year-game-pass-has-ever-had.1279284/page-3#post-144310413

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-always-weird-to-me-seeing-warhammer-40-000-treated-as-an-adult-only-work-of-fiction-and-remembering-my-childhood.1280202/

It's something I notice from time to time, where fans online treat Warhammer 40k as this adult only VERY serious franchise along side you Predator and your Game of Thrones and it's something I can't help noticing when it comes to 40k video games, that their usually rated as adult games. This is something I've especially noticed more and more as the series got more pushed in the US and when they really started pushing the novels and games like the Horus Hearsay.



Which is really funny to me because throughout the 90s and early to mid 00s in the UK, Warhammer 40k was treated like a kids and family series. Like I don't just mean by parents, but Games Workshop itself did starting around 1990 and especially around Second Edition after they game had a massive overall due a heavy change in management (due to a management buyout). It's why First Edition lore can come across, even by today's standards as very different and more adult (see Ian Watson's Draco trilogy and how focused on sex it is compared to anything nowadays (also heavily focusing on the Star Child, part of the original 40K metaplot that was also dumped after first edition).



Like as a kid, I went to Games Workshops and so many people their world be kids (and they'd have days dedicated to getting kids into the game where they'd teach you how to paint and play the game), mostly 8-18 years olds because 40k was treated the same way Japan treats Shonen and Shōjo. Their were tons of adults as well, Games Workshop by then had been running since the 70s (and I remember how often adults would act like 40k was the "kiddie" version of Warhammer Fantasy and acted like big boys for playing only the latter... Which is just kind of sad and pathetic in hindsight). I was in a Strategy tabletop club (which was actually hell to me because of fear and anxiety) back in the early 00s and yeah it was mostly tens and some adults who'd quote Red Dwarf to death at you and love Judge Dredd, Tekken, Aliens and X-Men (seriously so many 40k fans I've met and know are also love Aliens and X-Men). Same with the big Game's Day con or trips me, my brother and my father did to Game's Workshop HQ in Nottingham, mostly family, kids and some adults all loving 40K, with kids having lots of areas for them to play and make and later the LOTR game when it got big.



And like it was pretty affordable to buy figures back then, Games Workshop stores back then used to be covered in small blister packs that contain one or two metal figures that you could buy for for £3-£5 each that were especially made so kids could buy stuff cheap and back then it was pretty affordable to make an army (helps that army sizes were a lot smaller then they are today). I have so many fond memories of playing with my 3rd Edition Necron army against my brothers Dark Angels and my dad's Orks (my army today is the Sisters of Battle). I remember the time my brother and Dad played Nercomunda and my brother was petty for hours because he through a grenade that bounced off a door frame and landed in the middle of his Goliath gang and blew them all up; or playing the Battle of Helm's Deep with Game's Workshop's HQ big ass Helm's Deep model etc etc.


Probably one of the biggest adult/kid divides I remember seeing back in the day was the reactions to when GW's introduced the Tau to the game (made to capitalize on the massive anime and manga boom the UK was in during the early 00s when so many kids were getting anime). Kids and teens my age love them but adult would act the same way adult Star Wars fans did to Jar Jar and Ahsoka or Adult Smash Bros act when you suggest adding a character to the game that is popular with the kids and not their nostalgia (or a Fire Emblem character). Like I remember seeing grown ass men and women having tantrums about the Tau in stores.



I remember watching over and over again the Game's Day special short movie the made called The Inquisitor, which so cheap and cheesy today but it's still campy dark fun:

[url unfurl=true media=youtube:mFecoSoHvFg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFecoSoHvFg&ab_channel=LerroyVermillion[/url]



However their feels like their was a massive shift, kids slowly got more and more priced out of the hobby and the game more and more got pushed more at adults at the expense of kids. I remember their was a dramatic shift in the fanbase when so many fans and the series itself went through it's "dark phase" that so many works do (see 90s Superhero comics) where they got embarrassed by 40K's sillier and campier elements and demanded the series by more serious and dark, often completely missing the satire of the franchise to feel more mature. To me though, I love 40k the same reason I love Tekken because it was this perfect balance or dark and serious and over the top camp and silly, like it's a franchise where the Orcs are Mad Max looking Football Hooligans and half the characters have pun or reference names, it's inherently over the top and goofy in a dark sort of way and I'm glad the series got out of that phase.


It really sucks 40k is no longer considered a family work nowadays and given how Tabletop Strategy games are really suffering right now because of the US's Trade War (while Warhammer is doing better then others, so many smaller games are dying and REALLY struggling right now) I don't see the hoppy being affordable again. Also I miss If The Emperor Got A Text-To-Speech-Device, that YouTube series was what got me back into 40k.



Yeah I have no really conclusion to this ramble so here is a picture of a cute Pangolin:

wlw?

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-484#post-144310851

Boys shouldn't play with Barbie! They should play with Action Man... Who moves the same way, is the same size of Barbie, had changeable clothes and in some cases, make up for "camo" and could often be stripped to his undies or (in one of my cases nothing at all and nipples):


Action Man were just Ken Dolls (and back when I was kid in the 90s and 00s were pretty obvious based off Pierce Prosnan).



Also side note: the 80s He-Man and She-Ra cartoons, as someone who did not grow up with them are legit campy greatness, the She-Ra cartoon especially is damn fun (and it's pretty awesome to know just how gay it was behind the scenes and at Filmation).



Also to get the convo back to games, really love Claire's look in Revelations 2:

God save the Queen

[Boredfrom]

Yeah I have no really conclusion to this ramble so here is a picture of a cute Pangolin:

Thank you for treating the forum as your personal blog.

[benji]

Notorious scumbag, people here in Mexico know.

In retrospect, that whole episode foreshadows how he dealt with World War I and the Treaty. It's only when you really delve into Wilson that you learn he really did believe in the power of himself to lecture everyone into submission about anything.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot3-make-her-look-more-corpulent-more-stuffed-where-the-eyes-cant-escape.275780/page-484#post-144310851

Boys shouldn't play with Barbie! They should play with Action Man... Who moves the same way, is the same size of Barbie, had changeable clothes and in some cases, make up for "camo" and could often be stripped to his undies or (in one of my cases nothing at all and nipples):


Action Man were just Ken Dolls (and back when I was kid in the 90s and 00s were pretty obvious based off Pierce Prosnan).

This is how you know they're just idiots. Yes, the company wanted to sell to both boys and girls and so created a doll that boys would be more interested in that utilized their existing manufacturing process. This wasn't some plot about gender roles, it's standard attempting to market to multiple consumers.

You have to jump way way back to get to where boys or girls are being conditioned into wanting just Barbie or Action Man. And you can't make this argument seriously because the evidence isn't any good. Blaming the toys is probably thousands of years too late.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheEricAndreShow/comments/1fv8btb/little_nas_are_you_working_on_your_raps/

This interview led me to this one:

[benji]

[Tucker's Law]

It's only when you really delve into Wilson that you learn he really did believe in the power of himself to lecture everyone into submission about anything.

So Woodrow thought he could become a woman?

[benji]

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-the-witcher-4-has-romance-options-do-you-think-its-inevitable-that-there-will-be-at-least-one-female-option.1279401/page-4#post-144295020

Masterpiece of a reply right there. Reading your reply made getting through this lesbophobic thread worth it. God, the way this website treats lesbian relationships is so fucked. As a bisexual woman who frequents sapphic spaces, I can PROMISE y'all that straight men fucking hate lesbians. The amount of lesbophobia I hear about (or worse: have to witness) is fucking UNREAL! Just because they jack it to "lesbian" porn categories doesn't make them pro-lesbian. How do I know this? Because those same guys jack it to the "transexual" tabs as well! These chuds love jacking it to all types of woman, but you'll NEVER see a chud okay with confirmed trans girls and confirmed lesbians.



Why? Because fetishization DOES NOT EQUAL approval!!!

Don't straight men go all   over lesbian films?  Straight men hate homosexual men, not homosexual women.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-79-clasps-both-hands-in-desperate-bid-to-cover-up-bruises.1280079/

This is beyond pathetic. I hate Supreme TACO about as much as anybody else but who fucking cares about a bruise on his hand.

cops are soft as shit and will claim injury when you sneeze on them, so I have a hard time believing those charges.

him being erratic and high and alone in public feels like we're in 'danger to himself' territory and what I care way more about.

[benji]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-always-weird-to-me-seeing-warhammer-40-000-treated-as-an-adult-only-work-of-fiction-and-remembering-my-childhood.1280202/

Their were tons of adults as well, Games Workshop by then had been running since the 70s (and I remember how often adults would act like 40k was the "kiddie" version of Warhammer Fantasy and acted like big boys for playing only the latter... Which is just kind of sad and pathetic in hindsight). I was in a Strategy tabletop club (which was actually hell to me because of fear and anxiety) back in the early 00s and yeah it was mostly tens and some adults who'd quote Red Dwarf to death at you and love Judge Dredd, Tekken, Aliens and X-Men (seriously so many 40k fans I've met and know are also love Aliens and X-Men).

How many of this dudes posts involve silent one-way beefs from decades ago and making weird lists about things he likes?

[Orange Juice Box]

This was glossed over

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pride-parade-cancelled-after-being-halted-by-pro-palestinian-protesters-1.5554689

Don't they like to scrap anymore on Era?  There used to be race wars all the time.  I want to see some Paestinian on LGBT action flare up. 

From that Lil Nas X thread

Among the people I'm gonna have empathy for cops are at the bottom of that fucking list.  ACAB forever and always.

Isn't it crazy that if I were to reply to that with a sensible reply, I'd be dogpiled and banned for at least a month.

The idea of ACAB is so ridiculous, I don't know how these people function in their day-to-day lives. Are all cops nice? Nope, some are shits, many are not

If you really push on these clods, they'll admit that not all cops are bastards, but it sounds cool to say.

The fun part is people who utter that phrase usually never have to worry about the cops ever really bothering them. Yet again, more fraud grandstanding.

Going by everything RE has told me they should be really confused why the cops didn't shoot a gay black man on sight. Isn't that what they do all day? Instead they even wrestled with him and he's unharmed?

Era: Had they should have then Trump would make them super vice president.  

The fun forum that has been repeating the same jokes/statements since 2015

[simiansmarts]

Echos is definitely pushing 40.

[benji]

I actually read this shit and she spit some fire among the crazy:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-the-witcher-4-has-romance-options-do-you-think-its-inevitable-that-there-will-be-at-least-one-female-option.1279401/page-4#post-144294450

LGBT inclusions are NOT concessions for straight male audiences. Whether straight male audiences enjoy the porn category described as Lesbian or Trans, our representation is not a concession for them. A gay guy on a fucking TV show is not a fucking concession to straight women who like gay fanfic: it's a fucking gay guy representing gay guys. A trans woman in a fucking videogame is not an appeal to goons who enjoy shacking their dick in their hand when they go to a porn site: it's a representation (hopefully good!) of a trans woman.

...

And even if those things hadn't happened, truth is, lesbian characters still do not pander to straight men. Straight men, entirely on their own, decide to fetishize lesbian and bisexual women. They do this by when you reveal you are in a relationship asking you whether you scissor or not, by masturbating to male-gazey lesbian porn (which does pander to them, and that is extremely different from all the cases that have been talked about in this thread) or by seeing lesbian relationships as a challenge in which a man isn't present and they need to insert themselves, which is an inherently rape fantasy.

...

All of these narratives that seem to be pushed because of the fact that Era is mostly men (including gay and bisexual men who can be misogynistic and lesbophobic) are ultimately just not true not just in the data, but in the experience of the queer women and non binary lesbians who end up playing games. And through that myth building we end up building other things, like for example the false notion that lesbians have more domestic violence cases in their relationships when the study that people always quote is about domestic violence victims perpetrated by men by bisexual women or lesbians who had not come out. So bit by bit, the myth builds, and we end up with false data, allegations, and just like in this thread, repeated sentences that no one has actually properly checked, but that justify the feeling of the straight heterosexual majority of this forum that enjoys having the chance of feeling oppressed. But it is likely that this post ends up as a worthless effort. It's not like ERA has ever taken this, or anything related to misogyny seriously.